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Fake News Alert: Democrats & Media Pushing Phony Recession Scare

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  7 years ago  •  91 comments


Fake News Alert: Democrats & Media Pushing Phony Recession Scare
As sad and, perhaps, pathetic as it might sound, Democrats have a recession on the top of their wishlist. An economic downturn would diminish the quality of life of low-income families and put people back on welfare after regaining their independence. “So yes, a recession would be very worth getting rid of Donald Trump and these kinds of policies,” HBO host of ‘Real Time’ Bill Maher reportedly said. “A recession would definitely knock him out of office.” Liberal elites care nothing for the...

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The fake news media is acutely aware that President Donald J. Trump’s America First economic policies have been a historic success. Unemployment continues to be at or near record lows, the U.S. has regained its status as the number one economy in the world, and business is booming.

As sad and, perhaps, pathetic as it might sound, Democrats have a recession on the top of their wishlist. An economic downturn would diminish the quality of life of low-income families and put people back on welfare after regaining their independence.

“So yes, a recession would be very worth getting rid of Donald Trump and these kinds of policies,” HBO host of ‘Real Time’ Bill Maher reportedly said. “A recession would definitely knock him out of office.”

Liberal elites care nothing for the diminished opportunities of working people, as long as they can regain power and put one of their own back in the White House. The bad news for the left — and good news for hard-working Americans — is that the Trump economy shows no signs of slowing. That’s why the fake news media has concocted yet another hoax — a phony recession.

“Many a Wall Street trader could’ve used a stiff drink about then because the bond market was flashing concerns about a possible recession, with the ‘yield curve’ inverting to its lowest levels since 2007,” CBS News reported after the DOW Jones took an 800-point one-day tumble.

“The inversion, a classic recession warning signal, comes amid rising tensions due to the U.S. trade war with China and a global economic slowdown.”

The fake news media failed to point out that when the DOW Jones stumbled to a reported 25,579, that figure was similar to its measure in August 2019.

The widespread cries that the sky was falling reverberated through the fake news media all united in blaming the president for only the lows of the stock market. Headlines and articles across the left-leaning media went out of their way to create yet another false narrative.

The anti-New York Times went as far as to use the scare headline, “How the Recession of 2020 Could Happen,” and CNN penned hoax “A Global Recession May Be Coming A Lot Sonner than You Think.”

But the radical left-wing Salon may have taken the top honors by blending scare tactics with hate speech in its headline, “Can Trump Lie His Way Out of a Recession? That Actually Might Not Work.” The propaganda is simply beyond journalistic decency, never mind credibility.

These Democrat-aligned outlets were content to avoid facts such as the Trump Administration successfully renegotiated NAFTA to create the new USMCA deal that House Democrats refuse to vote to approve.

They also avoid facts such as China steals hundreds of billions in American intellectual property each year and has been deemed a currency manipulator.

Another fact that has gone grossly underreported that for all the phony “recession” scare reporting, the DOW Jones bounced right back and soared above the previous day’s level.

The president pointed out that the fake news media is manufacturing a phony crisis and “doing everything they can to crash the economy” in an effort to meddle in the 2020 election.

“We’re doing tremendously well. Our consumers are rich. I gave a tremendous tax cut, and they’re loaded up with money,” Pres. Trump reportedly said.

White House advisor Kellyanne Conway had harsh words for the biased, fake news media who choose to create economic scares but avoid talking about the robust gains the nation has made under the current administration.

“It’s nice to see the media finally cover the Trump economy. You seem to cover it only when you can use the Sesame Street word of the day: recession,” Conway reportedly said. “The fact is, the fundamentals of our economy are very strong, and you know it.”

It’s undoubtedly true that Conway’s job is to spar with the anti-Trump media on occasion, and she is not necessarily an expert on economic matters. However, experts within the administration who have succeeded in managing the economy on a day-to-day basis are brimming with confidence.

“I think we’re in pretty good shape, and I want to just say, you know, we should not be afraid of optimism. I don’t know what it is. Everybody wants to talk about pessimism, recession,” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow reportedly said. “There’s no recession on the horizon.”


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bbl-1
Professor Silent
2  bbl-1    7 years ago

Yeah, and the "I'm like a really smart guy," guy is fake too.

Face it CH4P, the only accomplishment Donald J. Trump has ( accomplished ) is his uncanny ability to blow through other people's money and remain standing.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4  Bob Nelson    7 years ago

Bill Maher is a showman. He holds no position in any party.

If you choose to give great credit to his opinions, that's your problem.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
5  The Magic 8 Ball    7 years ago
 That’s why the fake news media has concocted yet another hoax — a phony recession.

it is actually very simple.

Axiom # 1

  • whatever the lunatic left says?

go with the exact opposite and you will be right more often than not.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
5.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @5    7 years ago

Ah!

I understand now...

For years, I have asked our conservative members to spell out their policy ideas. The response has been total silence. In the meantime, those same conservative members post multiple articles every day... about their adversaries.

Are they trying to apply your Axiom # ?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
5.1.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    7 years ago
I understand now...

I doubt that very seriously.

For years, I have asked our conservative members to spell out their policy ideas. The response has been total silence.

in the past I have answered every question in full.

and now I will give you a hint for our future discussions.

as you have blocked my comments on your pages?  you can simply fuk off.

go back to your safe space and stay there...

thanks :)

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
5.1.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    7 years ago

 It is the progressive way.

which is why they always lose in the end.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    7 years ago
For years, I have asked our conservative members to spell out their policy ideas.

Iv'e had the same problem with liberals. All I hear is smearing!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
6  The Magic 8 Ball    7 years ago

cnn and msnbc - fake news

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
8  luther28    7 years ago

In truth what is being promoted is that the historic indicators forecasting a future recession are aligned improving the chances of one prior to 2020.

No one wants a recession, they are a part of the economic cycle and we are overdue for one at this point.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Quiet
9  pat wilson    7 years ago

512

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10  Nerm_L    7 years ago

What's really sad is the belief that bailing out Wall Street will prevent a recession.

Democrats are rooting for a stock market crash.  And if Democrats get the crash they want, what are Democrats going to do about it?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
10.1  MrFrost  replied to  Nerm_L @10    7 years ago
Democrats are rooting for a stock market crash. 

Like who? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @10.1    7 years ago
Like who? 

Well, it's difficult to link to quotes since the Democratic candidates aren't in the news.  And there isn't any point in spending the day on Google trying to prove a point to someone that won't listen anyway.

Elizabeth Warren says the ‘warning lights are flashing’ for the next economic crash

The conventional wisdom is that the stock market will crash if a Democrat wins the White House.  That behooves Democrats to adopt a narrative blaming Trump before the election so they can blame Trump after the election.

But that still doesn't answer the question: what will Democrats do about it?  Consumer spending on imports doesn't contribute to increasing GDP; the Obama recovery proved that.  And a stock market rebound doesn't contribute to increasing GDP either; the Obama recovery also proved that.  Government programs like Obamacare didn't contribute to increasing GDP; the slow recovery is the proof.  So, what are Democrats going to do about it?

We already know that Boeing has a large inventory of aircraft it needs to get rid of; the result of Boeing's mismanagement.  We already know that farmers are going to plant less next year, particularly soy beans.  We already know that the telecom sector has saturated the market with far less prospect for growth.  We already know that housing has become unaffordable in larger markets and has far less growth potential.  We already know that Microsoft is experiencing a persistent series of self imposed screw ups with its flag ship product.

So, what are Democrats going to do about it?  Basically there are two approaches with the best chances for success.  Democrats can promote domestic investment in productive activities that will attract consumer spending on domestic products that contributes to increasing GDP.  Democrats can return to open border free trade policies in hopes of boosting exports that will contribute to increasing GDP.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.2    7 years ago

The failure of Trump’s two-trillion-dollar tax break for corporations, which geneated zero investment tells us that there's no obvious relation between tax rates and investment.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.3    7 years ago
The failure of Trump’s two-trillion-dollar tax break for corporations, which geneated zero investment tells us that there's no obvious relation between tax rates and investment.

The low unemployment numbers don't support that argument.  Hiring workers is an investment in the productive part of the economy.  And higher year to year GDP growth doesn't support that argument.  An increase in illegal immigration to seek jobs doesn't support that argument.  The conversion of coal fired power generation to natural gas doesn't support that argument.  The increased deployment of alternative energy doesn't support that argument.  The increased private investment in developing electric, hybrid, and self driving automobiles and trucks doesn't support that argument.  The increased investment in commercial space flight doesn't support that argument.  Investments really are being made at a faster rate after the tax cuts.

But Democrats seem to think that investments only involve the financial sector.  The Dow Jones doesn't produce one damn thing.  A squirrel caching nuts for the winter generates more wealth than does the stock market.  Buying stocks is consumption; not an investment in the productive part of the economy.

Why do Democrats hate the productive parts of the economy?  With a strong economy, one would expect Democrats to campaign on labor and small business issues.  Instead Democrats are harping on Trump damaging free trade.  Consumption of imports do not contribute to economic growth or increasing GDP.  That's why a service economy cannot create a broad prosperity.

You know, if consumers really are paying the tariffs then more of their spending is contributing to increasing GDP and economic growth.  Why do Democrats want a weak economy?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.2    7 years ago
Democrats won’t promote domestic investment if they raise the rates of the capital gains tax to pre 1986 rates as Biden proposes.  Biden wants a 39.6% top cap gains rate plus the Obama 3.4% surcharge on that rate.  Charging cap gains rates higher than ordinary income tax rates on the gains of reinvested post income tax dollars will truly kill investment in this country.  

We should be taxing stock investors until their ears bleed.  Wall Street doesn't produce one damn thing.  Wall Street sucks investments away from the productive parts of the economy.  Wall Street is an anchor holding back the economy.

At one time selling stocks was a way for a business to borrow money without collateral.  Today stocks are just a tax dodge.  We should be taxing stock gains a lot more.  I'm not sure 40% is enough.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.4    7 years ago
The low unemployment numbers...

... are irrelevant. There are direct measures of investment. There was a teeny-tiny blip... that cost two trillion in lost revenue.

Why do Democrats hate...

What is this "hate" nonsense? Can you supply a single instance of "hatred"? If you have no proof... then can you explain why you choose to use that particular word?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.5    7 years ago

There’s pretty solid evidence that an overall rate around 75% would be optimal.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.6    7 years ago
... are irrelevant. There are direct measures of investment. There was a teeny-tiny blip... that cost two trillion in lost revenue.

Which only illustrates Democratic proclivity to utilize financial bamboozle babble.  For Democrats increased employment is only a one time, teeny tiny blip but a tax cut is a long term financial loss.

If Democrats put forth more effort to sustain the low unemployment numbers then that would become a long term gain.  But workers are only a long term cost; that's what the financial bamboozlers tell us and Democrats accept without question.  Sustained employment can't be a gain.  

Hate to break this to Democrats but a broad prosperity isn't possible without sustaining that teeny tiny blip in employment for ten years, too.  That may not be good for Democrat's financier backers but that would really be good for the economy.

What is this "hate" nonsense? Can you supply a single instance of "hatred"? If you have no proof... then can you explain why youchooseto use that particular word?

You said it yourself.  Low unemployment numbers are irrelevant.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.8    7 years ago

A paquet of nonsense.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.10    7 years ago

They may be paying the minuscule cut they got, but they're certainly not paying the cut that the already-rich got. Overall, the tax cut blew a two trillion dollar hole in the federal budget.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.13  Nerm_L  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.9    7 years ago
You want to drive the middle class and the saving class out of investing in the companies that reinvest in research and development, build more facilities and hire more workers? Investing in the stock markets is the power that provides growth, r&d, new facilities and products, and hiring more workers, paying our bonuses and our finally increasing wages. You tax the markets like that and we will only invest post tax Roth IRA and Roth 401k funds in it that are tax free forever post the income tax paid pre investment.  

What share of the proceeds goes to the business when you sell stock?

When someone buys stock traded on the exchanges, the money goes to the seller and not to the business.  The only time the business received any money was when the stock was issued and initially sold by the company.  But the company did not sell the stock on the exchange; an investment bank bought the newly issued stock at an agreed price and then the investment bank released the stock onto the exchange and sold the stock for a profit.

When companies were allowed to sell stock directly to purchasers without going through the exchanges then, yes, buying stock was a direct investment in R&D, building factories, and hiring workers.  But that is no longer the case; stocks don't work that way any longer.  The stock exchanges increase the value of private holdings (especially those stocks owned by corporate management) but do not provide any capital for business expansion.  The stock exchanges are being used as a tax dodge and not as a means for investing in productive activities.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.16  Nerm_L  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.11    7 years ago
A paquet of nonsense.

Really?  How many times have Democrats wagged their fingers and told us that the industrial jobs aren't coming back?  How many times have Democrats explained that we must embrace globalized interdependence based on free trade?  

Work is a four letter word. So is jobs.  But Democrats, being the advocates of politically correct language, have defined work and jobs as a pejorative; jobs have become something only illegal immigrants do since Americans won't.  What a positive, uplifting, and hopeful message.

Democrats tell us we must invest in the future; apparently working for the future is a job Americans won't do.  That must be why Democrats keep telling us our future depends on illegal immigrants.  Democrats want us to buy the future using someone else's money instead of earning the future with sweat equity.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
10.1.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.1.7    7 years ago
There’s pretty solid evidence that an overall rate around 75% would be optimal.

"Pretty solid evidence" meaning that the Communist Party and Socialist Party have agreed on it?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
10.1.18  Jack_TX  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.13    7 years ago
When companies were allowed to sell stock directly to purchasers without going through the exchanges

They still are, and they still do.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
10.1.19  MrFrost  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.1    7 years ago
Well, it's difficult to link to quotes since the Democratic candidates aren't in the news. 

Less right wing media would help. 

And there isn't any point in spending the day on Google trying to prove a point to someone that won't listen anyway.

So you got nothing. If you make a claim, shouldn't you at least try to back it up? Let me help.. I watch TV probably more than I should, but, I have YET to hear even ONE democrat saying they want a recession. Not on fox fake news, not on CNN, not on MSNBC, not on ABC or CBS. 

In other words, all you did was use a talking point and have absolutely nothing to back it up. 

Elizabeth Warren says the ‘warning lights are flashing’ for the next economic crash

75% of economists agree with her too. But I see nothing in her statement that says she is hoping for a recession. 

The conventional wisdom is that the stock market will crash if a Democrat wins the White House.

If it does? We can blame Trump because the hint of a recession is now reality. But historically, from an economic standpoint, the DJIA and the economy does better when Dems are in office. You can go back and look yourself, the numbers don't lie. 

But that still doesn't answer the question: what will Democrats do about it?

Well, most likely the same thing Obama did to dig us out of the last GOP recession. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.14    7 years ago
The already rich got no big tax cut

You haven't been paying attention...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.22  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.16    7 years ago

Your notions of economics are a "packet of nonsense"...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @10.1.17    7 years ago
... meaning that the Communist Party and Socialist Party have agreed on it?

No.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.24  Nerm_L  replied to  Jack_TX @10.1.18    7 years ago
They still are, and they still do.  

Oooo, Shark Tank.  To be fair, vulture capitalists do contribute more toward generating wealth than does the stock exchanges.  Unfortunately some vulture capitalists are overly greedy.

That's why we need to consider reinstating regional and state exchanges to allow smaller investors to participate in generating wealth.  We need to allow small businesses more direct access to pooled investment capital.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.25  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @10.1.19    7 years ago
Less right wing media would help. 

CNBC is right wing media?

So you got nothing. If you make a claim, shouldn't you at least try to back it up? Let me help.. I watch TV probably more than I should, but, I have YET to hear even ONE democrat saying they want a recession. Not on fox fake news, not on CNN, not on MSNBC, not on ABC or CBS.  In other words, all you did was use a talking point and have absolutely nothing to back it up. 

Right now Donald Trump is singing the praises of a strong economy.  Why is he doing that?  Well, a strong economy would definitely improve his chances for winning reelection; Trump wants a strong economy.

Right now Democratic candidates are warning about the signals for a recession and weakening of the economy.  Why would Democrats do that?  Well, a recession would weaken Trump's chances for reelection and improve the chances of a Democrat winning the election.  Democrats want a recession.

Well, most likely the same thing Obama did to dig us out of the last GOP recession. 

Yeah, we really need the Trans Pacific Partnership.  You know, parts of the economy hadn't recovered by the time Barack Obama left office because Obama's administration favored the financial sector. 

Like it or not, we have experienced an uptick in the manufacturing sector since Trump took office.  That may not be sustainable but at least its a move in the right direction.  Today's capitalists seem to be very reluctant to actually produce something.  We've grown too comfortable with an 18th century mercantile economy that relies upon exploiting poor countries for supply and exploiting rich countries for profit.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
10.1.26  Jack_TX  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.24    7 years ago
Oooo, Shark Tank.

Or....in actuality...direct stock purchase plans.  You can invest directly in tiny little companies like Citi or American Express or Ford or Coca Cola. 

To be fair, vulture capitalists do contribute more toward generating wealth than does the stock exchanges.  Unfortunately some vulture capitalists are overly greedy. That's why we need to consider reinstating regional and state exchanges to allow smaller investors to participate in generating wealth.

I'm not sure replacing one or two stock exchanges with 15 others actually accomplishes what you intend.

We need to allow small businesses more direct access to pooled investment capital.  

If only somebody could think of a way for people to connect with small investors on the internet.  You know, where they could get funding from a small "crowd" of people to "kickstart" their business....

It would also be cool if there was maybe a government program to guarantee loans to small businesses.  That way lenders would be more confident taking those small business risks.  Those small businesses would be able to get help establishing best practices and making sure they were set up to succeed before they loan came through. 

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
10.1.27  katrix  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.5    7 years ago
We should be taxing stock investors until their ears bleed.

Considering that most of us don't get pensions these day, and investing in the stock market is about the only way the average person will ever be able to retire, what do you propose to implement to replace 401(k)s, IRAs, and such as the vehicle for people's retirement?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.29  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.28    7 years ago

Nope! Where did you get that bullshit? Wait, don't tell me. I can guess...

256

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @10.1.29    7 years ago

Actually it came from the mouths of democrats

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.32    7 years ago

Well you went out of your way to post the facts. I hope they get read any or all of those articles so that democrats will know where their party stands. We need an informed electorate

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.35  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.34    7 years ago

I don't want to give too much away, but when an oath is taken to cold shoulder one individual, that person can have a lot of fun going through the various seeds and making a cogent case completely unopposed. I learned that on Newsvine. Iv'e been around a Loooooong time. 

Tonight will be like a night out on the town!


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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.38    7 years ago
Have you heard of Stash?

You've mentioned it before. It is an interesting concept. Today the Market is for everyone!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
10.1.41  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.37    7 years ago
Because you ignored the rest of the post that came from that proves that I have been paying attention.

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This is the first time the GOP raised taxes on the rich and the democrats want to repeal the increases.

And the Earth is flat...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.42  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.1.40    7 years ago

I have an inkling of what you mean. In other words, it is somehow regarded as "greed" to want to keep the money you earned, yet it's not "greed" for them to take it. Yup, we are all still trying to figure that out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @10    7 years ago

I think another reason why democrats are rooting for crash/recession is that they have such contempt for the American people - the people who voted against the liberal establishment in 2016!

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Silent
10.2.1  cms5  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2    7 years ago

That's true, and the socialists would prefer a poor economy...so that they can lure more people into their scam.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.2    7 years ago
I think another reason why democrats are rooting for crash/recession is that they have such contempt for the American people - the people who voted against the liberal establishment in 2016!

Not an unreasonable surmise.  Democrats do seem more likely to engage in passive aggressive behavior.

Democrats seem to be hoping to win by default.  Democrats aren't attempting to attract voters with alternatives, they are attempting to distract voters by claiming their opposition is worse.

Apparently 2020 is going to be another choice of lesser evils.  The problem with that approach is voters are more apt to choose the devil they know rather than the one they don't.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
11  MrFrost    7 years ago
The fake news media

First four words in this article....lost all credibility. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
12  MrFrost    7 years ago

74% of economists in survey see US recession by end of 2021

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @12    7 years ago

Well after the next election?  I see.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
13  MrFrost    7 years ago

More than 70% of economists think a US recession will strike by the end of 2021

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
14  MrFrost    7 years ago

3 in 4 economists see recession in 2 years

It's yet another, "everyone else is wrong, trump is right"...  Sure thing...LOL 12,000+ lies and counting, trump has zero credibility. 

 
 

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