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Trump Touts Decision To End California’s Ability To Set Its Own Emission Rules

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  7 years ago  •  72 comments


Trump Touts Decision To End California’s Ability To Set Its Own Emission Rules
“The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER. This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety……” the president said in a tweet Wednesday.

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President Donald Trump announced on Twitter his move to end California’s authority to craft emission regulations that are stricter than federal rules, a move that comes as the president continues roll back Obama-era regulations.

“The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER. This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety……” the president  said  in a tweet Wednesday. He went on to say that removing the waiver will make vehicles after and less expensive.  The New York Times  reported  Tuesday that Trump would announce the move Wednesday at the Washington headquarters of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Neither the White House nor the EPA have responded to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment. California Attorney General Xavier Becerra, a Democrat  who’s been a thorn in Trump’s  hide for the first two years of the president’s administration, says the state will continue to fight such moves.

“California will continue its advance toward a cleaner future. We’re prepared to defend the standards that make that promise a reality,” Becerra told reporters Tuesday after The New York Times reported on Trump’s intention.


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Becerra has  sued the administration  more than 50 times since 2016, much of the litigation is designed to hit Trump’s environmental rollbacks.

Trump’s move comes after months of speculation.

The administration unveiled  draft plan in 2018 to roll back  the strict federal fuel economy standards put in place by the Obama administration. The draft included a plan to revoke a waiver given to California under the 1970 Clean Air Act, which allows it to set tougher state-level standards.

Former President Barack Obama raised the average fuel economy of automobiles to more than 50 miles per gallon within 10 years. California got  permissions  from the Obama administration to issue its own, higher emissions standards. They require cars maintain 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.

The Trump administration, for its part,  first proposed  in 2018 freezing fuel economy standards at 37 miles per gallon in 2020. The EPA and Department of Transportation estimated that the freeze would save $500 billion in societal costs and prevent around 1,000 traffic fatalities a year.  


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Paula Bartholomew
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2  Paula Bartholomew    7 years ago

Trump is just undoing another Obama policy and could care less about whether cars are cheaper or safer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

The problem is that car companies are not going to make two kinds of cars. If a state like CA raises the standards, then it affects all of the car manufacturing. The good nes is that it's all catching up with California. The President just scored a victory on that ridiculous law demanding he provide 5 years of tax returns in order to be on the ballot. He's winning the war on the tent cities and the wall. Californians will have to suffer a bit longer, but after all they voted for these liberals rats.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    7 years ago
and the wall

The check from Mexico cleared? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    7 years ago

Did you write that?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    7 years ago

The car companies have been making two "kind of cars" for 5 plus decades.

Now it's just a software issue and the major manufacturers have agreed to the higher, CA standards, and are certainly under no obligation to

lower their standards which would waste decades of Research & Development $ for one persons ego.

They realize that if there is a change in Presidential Party in the next year or 6 or 9 that they would just have to likely go back to

conserving the gas & oil that funds their polluting engines.

The die is already cast.

Your partisan assumptions are just that.

He's winning the war on the tent cities and the wall.

Really? I'm certain you can provide us all with unbiased links to prove that claim. Right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.3    7 years ago
The die is already cast.

Ah...Hail Caesar!


The car companies have been making two "kind of cars" for 5 plus decades.

Really?  With emissions differences between CA and the rest of the country?

Link please

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.2    7 years ago
Really?  With emissions differences between CA and the rest of the country?

Yes, really...

Your personal Vic-mobile, depending on it's age is required to meet the California emission standards.

The states that have adopted the California standards are: Colorado , Connecticut , Delaware , Maine , Maryland , Massachusetts , New Jersey , New Mexico (2011 model year and later), New York , Oregon , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , Vermont , and Washington , as well as the District of Columbia.   Wiki.

Again depending on the age of your personal car and where it was originally delivered to a dealership for original sale,

the car will have an emission level tag, usually on the radiator support or underside of the hood, stating whether the vehicle meets

just the Federal standard or both the Federal & California standard.  (note many cars are repaired and regardless of Federal law, the emissions tags are missing )

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With the introduction of fuel injection, the main physical differences are the catalytic convertors, oxygen sensors and the

engine and transmission control modules.

Bringing an older EPA compliant car into California could result in replacing the cat convertor and upgrading the software.

Same thing for when I lived in Charleston SC and returning service people on PCS would sometimes bring back cars purchased in Europe or South America which had to have Cat Convertors added or trade that car in due to the expense of trying to meet current US emissions standards.

Certain cars and 'off road' Canadian vehicles built prior to 2011 do not meet EPA standards.  Post 2012 Canadian emission standards are "harmonized" to the EPA standard only.

All of the Fords, GM products and Jeeps exported to or built for China are for the most part lacking catalytic convertors and sensors associated with emission controls.

So my original statement should have been that the major car manufacturers make at least 2 versions of emission standards

for USA domestic consumption, plus the different emission standards they use for exports globally.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.5  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.4    7 years ago
Those of us in rural California are openly pulling for the Feds to beat the state on this issue.

While I cannot agree with you speaking for others, I can't imagine why, since the very geography of CA traps most of the smog and dust from the central valleys and affects you as well as everyone else in CA much more than the rest of the country.

I remember driving west from Amarillo on old 66, now 40 and seeing the purple dome of smog marking Los Angeles on the other side of the mountains and the foul discolored air flowing east through the mountain pass near Kingman AZ.

The first time I stopped in Bakersfield it was in November and when I asked someone where the fire was, she just smiled and said it was like that year round.  The dust from farm machinery just rises so far and plateaus, the smoke from burning old vines rises a little higher and flattens out clearly visible from anyone driving on 101 which has it's own plume of smog from the thousands of cars and hundreds of big rigs passing by every hour creating haze so thick, that at night that driving the speed limit is not even safe One thinks they are in an unnatural fog bank for hours.

Someone else realized long, long ago that CA emission standards were to save Californians only.  Californians need to keep it that way for your own health and those of your loved ones.

Used to be that you could taste bad smog polluted air, just because that's improved by about 75% is no reason to quit improving the air quality.

The nation has functioned just fine under the current system and regardless of what Trump thinks, there is no financial

reward to the manufacturer one way or the other, certainly nothing that will trickle down to the consumer. 

The whole affair is a fools errand.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.4    7 years ago
Only 4 so far...

More importantly 23 states and DC have sued to stop the EPA rollback.

Trumps move hurts clean air for Californians first, the rest of us second and the auto industry third.

It serves no purpose.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.6    7 years ago
The rest are looking for the feds to prevail in returning us all to one single national standard.

Get informed.

This summer 17 auto manufactures signed a letter to Trump asking him to re think this change, then 4 cut a deal with CA.

They are not waiting for the Feds to prevail, they are waiting for the Feds to FAIL.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.9  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.8    7 years ago

First of all, determining why the engine light is on will cost you exactly the same, now or then.

A solid check engine light is usually no cause for panic. The indicator is triggered when your Kia’s on-board computer (ECU – Electronic Control Unit) finds something out of the normal with its usual function. When it discovers a problem, it records it using a diagnostic code.

Although accessing and diagnosing that code should be done at your local Kia-certified service center , many auto parts stores, such as Auto-Zone or O’Reilly’s will read the code and help diagnose the problem at no cost.

Often, you’ll find that the source problem of a solid check engine light indicator is actually fairly inexpensive to repair. The most common problems are a loose gas cap (didn’t tighten to the click when you refilled your KIA), or a spark plug that needs to be replaced (again, a fairly inexpensive repair).

It can indicate more expensive problems like a mass airflow sensor, but it will still be safe to drive the car to a service center to have this diagnosed and estimated.

If your engine light is flashing, don't drive the car.

Sometimes, actually, many times, the ECU just needs to be reset to kill the light.  It's worth the piece of mind to visit Auto Zone or O'Reillys.

As far as the exhaust...

Replacing the CC with the correct rebuilt unit(s) will cost exactly the same, labor wise.

It will have to be replaced with the correct OEM unit because the EPA & CA exhaust systems were deliberately made different to prevent interchanging them, which would not only violate past and current law by possibly increasing some emissions.  Performance should be the same because the differences between the 2 convertors are negligible.

Lets say you use an Aftermarket set of replacement convertors; the modifications will require additional labor charges which will most likely eliminate any savings.  Believe me, I've been involved with several fiascos like this in CA and PA.

I hope this helps.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.11  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.10    7 years ago

I can't say for sure or not whether that is triggered by mileage, but I do know for certain that other manufacturers turn the light on at high mileage.  In all respects the core is probably shot due to the mileage alone.

Hopefully it passes this time and your good for another 2 years, and all they have to do is reset the light.

Kia's are expected to go at least 200,000 miles but beyond that you are in uncharted territory.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.12  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.2    7 years ago

Really?

No acknowledgement that your own state operates by the CA emission standards?

No link to support your claim that the President is winning the war on tent cities and the wall?

Maybe we should ask the seeder to lock this seed?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.3.14  dave-2693993  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.13    7 years ago
I intend to get to 300,000 with the 3.5 L V-6

No reason why you shouldn't. They have become very good vehicles.

I went 309K withg my '96 4.0 Ranger 4x4 STX...until I rolled it.

Probably the best vehicle I have ever owned.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.15  Split Personality  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.3.14    7 years ago

There is a top 25 list of cars expected to make 300,00 dominated by Toyota/ Lexus, Ford, GM Subaru and Honda.

But when Kia was let out of California in the eary 90's they test marketed the cars as taxis in NYC and racked up 400,000 miles with minimal issues.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.3.17  dave-2693993  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.15    7 years ago

It is interesting how processes have improved over time.

The end result is better fit, finish and longevity in many ways.

For example, if we go down to a highly magnified level and compare the finished surfaces of freshly machined cylinder walls from decades past to ones from today, there are stark differences.

If we stop at a point in magnification when the modern cylinder wall surface looks smooth, at that same level of magnification the older type finished surface would look more like 40 grit sand paper.

Correspondingly, the matching piston ring sets are vastly different in size (both radially and height thickness), weight, wall tension....and materials to some extent.

To this day I have the hardest time convincing some folks, the lighter and smaller you go on rings, the longer they last.

In fact, in the old days we used an algorithm to determine an estimated mean piston speed when "ring flutter" would set in for any given high rpm combination. Then fiddle around with bore, stroke, connecting rod lengths to get under that number and still meet the target displacement and rpm.

These days, I can't even find that algorithm as it is simply not needed.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Silent
3.3.18  dave-2693993  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.16    7 years ago

KIA and Hyundai have come a very long way.  When I rent a car, they are what I ask for.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.20  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.19    7 years ago

 A rear wheel drive "joke" in the industry. Equus/Geneisi sales continue to defy logic for a unique brand/dealership

away from it's Hyundai roots.  Selling 6,000 units a year cannot sustain a dealership.

If the Pallisade/Teluride takes off, look for a higher end model to supplement the Genesis line.

One thing Mobis, Kia & Hyundai have evidenced over the years, is patience.

So we will have to see what happens to Genesis in the long run.

in 2016 the platform was marketed as Equus

In 2017 the name was changed to Genesis with a lot of fanfare.

Year Total
2016 6,166
2017 16,214
2018 7,446
2019 4,417
 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
3.3.22  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.21    7 years ago

That is good for them.

My point was that there were only 350 HY dealers selling Genesis to begin with when HY dropped a performance hammer on them.  Don't sell enough Genesis - lose the "franchise".  Then they started opening stand alone dealers, often next store to an already performing HY dealership.

They forced their own dealers to chose, yes and build a new showroom, or no and lose the luxury brand altogether.

Now they only have 100 or so stand alone stores, as noted above, which averaged less than 4 sales per MONTH in 2019.

There are other people in the industry here that can assure you that is not a sustainable venture.

2016 models, used are @ 20K not good when you are asking for 70K for a new G90

But like I said, Hyundai is stubborn, we will have to wait and see.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4  MrFrost    7 years ago

So trump wants more pollution. Got it. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5  MrFrost    7 years ago

States rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 

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