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Milley secretly called Chinese officials out of fear Trump would 'attack' in final days, book claims

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  233 comments

By:   Kyle Morris (Fox News)

Milley secretly called Chinese officials out of fear Trump would 'attack' in final days, book claims
A new book claims Gen. Mark Milley called Chine officials in fear that Trump would "attack" during his remaining time in the White House.

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During the final months of former President Donald Trump's term, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley made two phone calls to Chinese officials in fear that Trump would create conflict with the communist nation, a new book has claimed.

In the book, authored by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward and national political reporter Robert Costa, it is alleged that Milley made two secret phone calls, both to his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People's Liberation Army. The book alleges that the phone calls took place prior to the 2020 presidential election on Oct. 30, 2020, and two days after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, on Jan. 8, 2021.

According to the book, Milley contacted Zuocheng after he had reviewed intelligence that suggested Chinese officials believed the United States was planning an attack on China amid military exercises in the South China Sea.

"General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be OK," Milley told him during the first call, the book said. "We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you."

The book, excerpted in the Washington Post, also stated that Milley told Zuocheng that he would warn him in advance should America decide to "attack."

"Gen. Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time," Milley added, as reported by the book, "Peril," which is set to be released next week. "It's not going to be a surprise."

The authors of the book also claim Milley contacted Zuocheng a second time to reassure him that the U.S. would not make any type of advances or attack China in any form, as Milley promised, "We are 100% steady. Everything's fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes."

Those phone calls, according to the book, were never mentioned to Trump, as Milley believed his mental state had declined following the election, something about which he shared his thoughts in a phone call with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Jan. 8, the same day he called Zuocheng the second time. According to Pelosi, she spoke with Milley that day about "available precautions" to prevent Trump from engaging in military action.

The book also alleges that Milley made a phone call to the admiral in charge of the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command and suggested postponing any additional military exercises. The book also noted that Milley requested senior officers swear an "oath" that his involvement be necessary should Trump give an order to launch nuclear weapons during his final days in office.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

If these allegations are true General Milley is guilty of treason. As of 8 PM EST Milley has yet to deny these allegations.

The book is 

Peril

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JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

Here's a thought. Right after we try and execute Trump for trying to overthrow the US government and reinstall himself as president we'll get around to Milley. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    4 years ago

Its not false at all. Trump specifically wanted the election results to be returned to the states and for the Republican legislatures in swing states to declare that he was the winner. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 years ago

I have a better thought. Why didn't we shoot down all the rioters last summer and arrest all those blue city mayors who aided the mob.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    4 years ago

Get over it John.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    4 years ago

What do you mean "get over it"? Get over that Trump wanted to steal the election? Uh, no. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 years ago
I have a better thought.

Really?

Why didn't we shoot down all the rioters last summer 

Probably for the same reasons that 500 Capital police didn't shoot at thousands demonstrators outside the Capital building

and arrest all those blue city mayors who aided the mob.

for what?  Do you have film of these mayors committing crimes?

If you do and haven't turned them in you are obstructing justice.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    4 years ago

Precedent, we aren't a banana republic yet.

In a recent interview   with NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Biden said: "I will not interfere with the Justice Department's judgment of whether or not they think they should pursue a prosecution."

But he hastened to add that an administration pursuing criminal charges against its predecessor would be "a very, very unusual thing and probably not very, how can I say it? good for democracy — to be talking about prosecuting former presidents."

Based on those remarks, Biden seems to be on the way to adopting the position of former President Barack Obam. Back in 2009, the newly elected Obama said he didn't want to get hung up on prosecuting wrongdoers. He was referring to people who had engaged in torture and warrantless wiretapping during the previous administration.

Instead, Obama told ABC News at the time, his instinct was to make sure those practices never happened again.

Would A Biden Justice Department Prosecute Trump? It's Complicated : NPR
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    4 years ago
Probably for the same reasons that 500 Capital police didn't shoot at thousands demonstrators outside the Capital building

They did shoot and kill one protester, We will never forget.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
1.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    4 years ago

Had she been an antifa member, you/we would have cheered.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
1.1.12  GregTx  replied to  Hallux @1.1.11    4 years ago

WTF does that even mean? Were there Antifa members gunned down that conservatives cheered and gloated about?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    4 years ago

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Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    4 years ago
Pretending that Trump isn't under investigation and may soon be under federal indictment doesn't support your argument about precedent on not prosecuting former Presidents, either.

A couple of things there.   ISN'T and MAY BE aren't arguments, they are weak speculation.

Trump is under investigation for a ton of things that happened before he was President

like insurance fraud, state tax evasion and possible federal tax evasion.

Possible campaign fraud but those are usually restitution and a slap on the wrist because he can always blame other people.

US policy is to NOT prosecute former Presidents and cabinet members or NSA's.

We didn't even prosecute Jeff Davis or Robert E Lee ...

and we didn't prosecute James Schlessinger when he basically told the Joint Chiefs to ignore

any of Nixon's direct orders when Nixon was losing it.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.18  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 years ago

Better idea - court martial and jail Milley for violation of the UCMJ and let Congress and the FBI conduct an investigation - just like the one they did with Flynn.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.19  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.18    4 years ago

Flynn espoused QAnon.  Come back to reality. They are not comparable. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
1.1.20  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.19    4 years ago

And Milley "probably" espouses Larry Flynt - your point?  Milley has violated the UCMJ - what he did WAS/IS NOT in his job description, no matter what a few on NT say.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    4 years ago

My understanding is that Milley knew his phone calls with China might be seen as him superceding his authority, and was willing to do it anyway out of duty to the country, not the UCMJ. 

Although I doubt this will lead to his removal, I think he is ready for whatever happens. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.22    4 years ago

At the time Milley spoke to China Trump was spouting ridiculous conspiracy theories, interfering with the aftermath of a US election and trying to get himself reinstated outside the established electoral process. He was unhinged. Some people say he's always like that so what is the big deal? 

Milley made the right call. Will he pay a price? We shall see. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.22    4 years ago
He was wrong, and should be court-martialed.

Yeah,  meddling in  our foreign policy, offering to commit treason and almost certainly leaking this to Woodward are all fireable offenses. 

He's up there with MacArthur as far as politicized generals go, and he has none of MacArthur's talents or accomplishments. 

He's set a horrible and very dangerous precedent.  I'd think even Democrats can see the problem with this. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.25    4 years ago

Milley did the right thing. If he is punished on the letter of the law he will accept it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.24    4 years ago

It is not spin. Trumps bizarre behavior is documented in four separate books now by four separate and unconnected authors. The right is in complete denial. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.29  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.28    4 years ago

Y'all want to put Milley's actions in a context outside of Trump's bizarre behavior at the time. We are not going to let you do that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.30    4 years ago

I am not a lawyer and dont know what his defense to charges of "treason" might be. So I wont speculate on innocence or guilt. 

I know I have had ABC on all morning in the background with their various shows that are mostly news oriented and Milley has barely even been a topic. 

It seems to be going nowhere. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.33  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.32    4 years ago

One does not have to be a lawyer to correctly analyze Trump and trumpism. 

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
1.1.35  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 years ago
'Right after we try and execute Trump for trying to overthrow the US government...'

But where are these proceedings happening? Has a trial date been set? Have charges even been laid? The refusal/failure to do these things effectively sanctions continuing efforts to destabilize and overthrow the US regime. The lack of action screams that the US regime has already fallen and is now in the hands of those with no commitment to the historic 'United States.' This is not to be read as a partisan comment. It is rather that such remarks as you make are all that remain of the US Republic.

And someone making remarks on a[n internet] street corner do not fit my definition of a republic.

At some point, it must be asked, 'what's next.'

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
1.1.36  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    4 years ago
'... explain why the ... Administration ... hasn't charged him with the crime...'

Easy!

The socio-political fortunes of Biden's Next 9% faction derive from the affluence and status of the 1%.

Next question?

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.1.37  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    4 years ago
Capital police didn't shoot

One sure the hell did! He killed a girl in cold blood for no apparent reason.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.39  devangelical  replied to  goose is back @1.1.37    4 years ago
for no apparent reason

totally justified. the DC cop self restrained. I wouldn't have. she should've got 1 more.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1.40  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.8    4 years ago

Obama was praying the next administration would forgive his sins with all of his illegal extra judicial drone killings- including two US citizens.

When it came to illegal wire tapping and spying on US citizens (including a political opponent) Bush Jr couldn't hold a candle to Obama. So 

Seems that Democrats have forgotten that little rule when it comes to Trump. They are still investigating him for everything under the sun; including Jan 6th- even after the FBI said Trump had nothing to do with any preplanning done by a few small groups of right wing extremists. Now you will say that Pelosi is not Biden; and Garland isn't following Biden's unwritten orders. That is the standard SOP; so Biden can hopefully expect the next PotUS to overlook all of his numerous illegal sins after he is out of office.

If the Democrats had the goods on Trump he would already be up on criminal charges; which is why they are all still fishing. Trump is the most investigated man in the US. The Democrats can drop their whining about the Clintons and Obama. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.41  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.40    4 years ago

I really hope Milley is called to Congress about this. He has first hand knowledge of Trump being unhinged.  The right is going to open up a Pandoras box. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.43  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.23    4 years ago

The first call was before the election

From the article:  "the book alleges that the phone calls took place prior to the 2020 presidential election on Oct. 30, 2020, and two days after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, on Jan. 8, 2021"

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.44  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.40    4 years ago
Obama was praying the next administration would forgive his sins with all of his illegal extra judicial drone killings- including two US citizens.

Why?  Did we forgive the Republican POTUS and the CIA for 2004 - 2009?

512

( and I thought Pakistan was an ally? )

I know you have very strong opinions, congratulations.

Too funny. We have come a long way since Lincoln was vilified as a monkey lover and the most picked on POTUS.

Trump just seems like the most picked on because he is at the head of a line of 45 individuals and all you can apparently

see and defend.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
1.1.45  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    4 years ago
They did shoot and kill one protester, We will never forget.

You're deflecting Vic. SP's comment clearly cites 'demonstrators outside the Capitol building'. You deflect to a criminal insurrectionist who was shot inside of the Capitol building. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.46  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.45    4 years ago

First of all - welcome back.

Second of all - she was a protester.

Finally - Nobody should have gotten in. The Capitol Police should have been prepared and ready. They should have been prepared and ready when another group of protesters were threatening the White House in 2020. I wonder why they weren't?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
1.1.47  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    4 years ago

Which Article of the UCMJ did Milley violate 1st? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.48  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.1.47    4 years ago

I can't speak for 1st, but I'm thinking article 92 and/or 94.

A penny for your thoughts?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.49  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.46    4 years ago
Second of all - she was a protester.

You think that climbing through a locked and barricaded broken door window is a "protest" ? 

If the black lives matter folks that you love to claim were trying to breach a police precinct had gotten inside, would you refer to them as "protesters" ? 

You can say a thousand times that she was a "protester" but it wont make her a protester. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.50  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.48    4 years ago

Article 92 of the   Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)   is "Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation" (written or stated). The   U.S. military   considers it a dereliction of duty when soldiers are unable or unwilling to perform the job assigned to military personnel.

Examples include sleeping while on duty, watch, or sentry; drunken or self-injury to the point of unable to perform his or her duties; and shooting oneself to get out of required duties, deployments, or other elements of the job. The military also considers it a dereliction of duty to perform a job so poorly that innocent non-combatants or one's own troops get injured or killed.

Elements of Article 92

There are several key elements to Article 92 that must be considered:

  • Violation of a lawful general order or regulation :   The individual must have violated a general order or regulation that they had a duty to obey.
  • Failure to obey other lawful order :   The individual must have known about the order, had a duty to obey it, and then failed to do so.
  • Dereliction in the performance of duties :   The accused must have had certain duties that he or she, through neglect or culpable inefficiency, simply failed to perform.




    Defining Article 94 of the UCMJ

    All of the  articles  of the UCMJ requires prosecutors to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a handful of critical assumptions—known as elements—to convict you of a crime. Article 94 governs two separate offenses—mutiny and sedition. From most to least serious:

      1. Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance
        1. That the accused created violence or a disturbance; and
        2. That the accused created this violence or disturbance with intent to usurp or override lawful military order
      2. Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform a duty
        1. That the accused refused to obey orders or otherwise do the accused’s duty;
        2. That the accused in refusing to obey orders or perform duty acted in concert with another person or persons; and
        3. That the accused did so with the intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.
      3. Sedition
        1. That the accused created revolt, violence, or disturbance against lawful civil authority;
        2. That the accused acted in concert with another person or persons; and
        3. That the accused did so with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of that authority
      4. Failure to prevent or suppress a mutiny or sedition
        1. That an offense of mutiny or sedition was committed in the presence of the accused; and
        2. That the accused failed to do the accused’s utmost to prevent and suppress the mutiny or sedition
      5. Failure to report a mutiny or sedition
        1. That an offense of mutiny or sedition occurred;
        2. That that the accused knew or had reason to believe that the offense was taking place; and
        3. That the accused failed to take all reasonable means to inform the accused’s superior commissioned officer or commander of the offense.
      6. Attempted mutiny
        1. That the accused committed a certain overt act;
        2. That the act was done with specific intent to commit the offense of mutiny;
        3. That the act amounted to more than mere preparation; and
        4. That the act apparently tended to effect the commission of the offense of mutiny



          https://www.bileckilawgroup.com/court-martial-defense/articles-of-the-ucmj/article-94-mutiny-and-sedition/#:~:text=Defining%20Article%2094%20of%20the%20UCMJ.%20All%20of,least%20serious%3A%20Mutiny%20by%20creating%20violence%20or%20disturbance
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.51  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.49    4 years ago
You think that climbing through a locked and barricaded broken door window is a "protest" ? 

A lot more than trying to burn a police station down with people inside.


If the black lives matter folks that you love to claim were trying to breach a police precinct had gotten inside, would you refer to them as "protesters" ? 

I would call them rioters.


You can say a thousand times that she was a "protester" but it wont make her a protester. 

Get used to hearing it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.52  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.50    4 years ago

Which of these particulars do you think apply to Milley? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.53  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.51    4 years ago

Oh I am used to hearing it from you. Its just incredibly stupid. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.54  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.52    4 years ago

Attempted Mutiny, dereliction of duties and TREASON.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.55  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.53    4 years ago

Your comments are totally off the wall, starting with 4 years of the Russia hoax.

Let's not make it personal John. Stick to the topic, ok?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.56  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.54    4 years ago

The word treason does not appear in either of the Articles you posted. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.57  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.56    4 years ago

No it doesn't. I gave you the first two that relate to articles 92 and 94. Treason was my little extra addition.

It might be better to address the first two

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.58  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.55    4 years ago
Dereliction of duty is a specific offense under United States CodeTitle 10, Section 892, Article 92 and applies to all branches of the US military. A service member who is derelict has willfully refused to perform his duties (or follow a given order) or has incapacitated himself in such a way that he cannot perform his duties. Such incapacitation includes the person falling asleep while on duty requiring wakefulness, his getting drunk or otherwise intoxicated and consequently being unable to perform his duties…

Dereliction of Duty does not apply to General Milley in this instance. 

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Understanding Article 94 (Mutiny or Sedition) of the UCMJ

There are two types of mutiny defined in Article 94 but both require an attempt to “usurp or override military authority”.

  1. Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance may be committed by an individual or a group.
  2. Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties requires action by two or more persons in resisting “lawful military authority”. The insubordination may or may not be preconceived and does not have to be active or violent in nature. Intent may be proven through words, or interpreted through acts, omissions, or surrounding circumstances.

Sedition requires an action resistant to civil authority. The action need not be violent nor create a disturbance.

Failure to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition is used when the accused did not take reasonably necessary measures, appropriate to the circumstances, to prevent or suppress a mutiny.

Article 94 – Mutiny or Sedition | Crisp and Associates | Free Consultation (mymilitarylawyers.com)

None of this applies to Milley either. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.59  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.57    4 years ago

I looked at them both and I dont see the application to Milley. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.60  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.57    4 years ago

This is the definition of sedition under military law

  1. Sedition
    1. That the accused created revolt, violence, or disturbance against lawful civil authority;
    2. That the accused acted in concert with another person or persons; and
    3. That the accused did so with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of that authority
    4. UCMJ Article 94: Mutiny and Sedition - Bilecki Law Group

This doesnt apply to Milley either. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.61  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.58    4 years ago

Oh but it does.

Sedition requires an action resistant to civil authority. The action need not be violent nor create a disturbance.

Christopher Miller, who was acting Secretary of Defense called the reported calls an 'unprecedented act of insubordination.'

"Former acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon  from the period after the 2020 election through Inauguration Day, said that he "did not and would not ever authorize" Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley to have "secret" calls with his  Chinese  counterpart, describing the allegations as a "disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination," and calling on him to resign "immediately."

In a statement to Fox News, Miller said that the United States Armed Forces, from its inception, has "operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control of the military." 


 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.62  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.61    4 years ago

By definition sedition requires more than one participant. 

But beyond that, Milley doesnt meet any of the other aspects of sedition either. 

I guess you could say he disregarded the chain of command in this instance.  What article does that fall under? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
1.1.63  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.46    4 years ago
First of all - welcome back.

I haven't been away, Unlike some, I've never been suspended so I'm here almost every day. 

Second of all - she was a protester.

Nope. Once she entered the Capitol she became a criminal, not a 'protester'. 

Finally - Nobody should have gotten in.

Are you claiming that they should have been shot down in their tracks Vic? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
1.1.64  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.48    4 years ago
A penny for your thoughts?

I think that you don't know WTF you're talking about. 

What order are you claiming that Milley disobeyed? 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Participates
1.1.70  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.38    4 years ago
domestic terrorist who got exactly what she deserve

Please tell me what threat she posed to anyone? What watch list was she on? Did she have a bomb? A gun? A knife? Did she have any weapon at all? Oh wait....she had a back pack and broke a door...kill her. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Participates
1.1.71  goose is back  replied to  devangelical @1.1.39    4 years ago
totally justified. the DC cop self restrained.

The pussy DC cop who hid in a doorway, surprised he found his gun and didn't leave it in the bathroom AGAIN!  Kill people for property damage. What next...are they going to shoot you if you step on the lawn. 

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
1.2  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

'...the Chinese military considered an American military strike to be likely under conditions where Trump was refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.'

'...Trump’s refusal to concede defeat after the election intensified both fears in China and the internal crisis and conflict within the American state.'

'Rather than alert the public as the coup was unfolding, the Democrats did everything they could to keep the crisis contained to the state and military apparatus.'

GOP supporters likewise refuse to acknowledge the intention to bury Biden in this US Reichstag moment. With no section of the ruling class opposing these efforts ...

'Trump in effect called for a police state...'

With '...Democrats continu[ing] to plead for “unity” with Trump’s Republican co-conspirators.'

Quote source :

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @1.2    4 years ago

Anybody who thought the US was about to attack China was most likely insane.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

if true, the general made the right call, considering the 10 month mental break with reality trump is still suffering.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.3    4 years ago

Until a General makes a call you don't like.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Milley may have decided to talk his way out of it. One might reasonably surmise Woke General Mark Milley gave those stories to Woodward thinking he would be praised. Now realizing it’s not playing well with non-deranged people outside his DC bubble, he’s trying to walk them back.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Sen. Rubio Demands Biden Fire Gen. Milley Over Secret Calls With China

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    4 years ago

Of course he does. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 years ago
Of course he does. 

Think about it John, If Woodward's book is accurate, General Milley conspired against President Trump and in effect installed himself as the de facto Commander in Chief post-election. Meanwhile, he alerted his Chinese counterpart.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    4 years ago

We did have an insurrection. It may have come from one military officer. Let us hope that by morning Milley tells us that it's not true!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

"The military community erupted Tuesday in response to reports that Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, held secret phone calls and meetings in a surreptitious effort to sidestep the authority of his then-commander-in-chief, President Donald Trump.

"If this is true GEN Milley must resign,"  tweeted Alexander Vindman,  a retired Army lieutenant colonel who in 2019 was a key witness against Trump in impeachment hearings.  

Milley's actions include making secret calls to the chief military officer in Beijing, and summoning top American military officers to a clandestine gathering to demand that they only obey command orders that came through Milley, according to the authors of a forthcoming book. 

The actions are reportedly described in a forthcoming book, "Peril," by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. Milley took the unprecedented actions because he was afraid Trump might launch a nuclear strike, the authors wrote. 

Vindman expressed outrage that Milley directly and independently contacted the foreign military official.

"He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military," Vindman wrote. "It's an extremely dangerous precedent. You can't simply walk away from that."

If the account in the book is accurate, Milley should be brought up on charges, according to one Pentagon official who spoke to Just the News.

"He isn't a military dictator, and this isn't his decision to make, to unilaterally contact a foreign government," said the official, who is not authorized to speak to the press. "I would expect him to be brought up on charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice."  

In addition to personally calling the communist Chinese official, Milley on Jan. 8 elicited oaths from senior officers inside the National Military Command Center inside the Pentagon, according to the book's authors. The four-star general aimed to solidify his authority over military decisions that belong to the commander in chief.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure," Milley said, according to the authors. "You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure." He looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally agree.

The meeting took place around the time Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told Democrats that she had been assured that safeguards were in place to prevent Trump from launching a nuclear weapon.  

Trump was not on record as having said he planned to order a nuclear strike.

Milley could not immediately be reached for comment.


 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 years ago
The military community erupted

One is quoted by name and one is not, but hey let's turn 2 into the military community. Damn I hate partisan writing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.2    4 years ago

How dare they!

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    4 years ago

So happy you agree ...

 
 
 
GregTx
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8  GregTx    4 years ago

If any of this is true, General Milley is guilty of treason imo.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.2  Ronin2  replied to  GregTx @8    4 years ago

Note to the left, this is what sedition really looks like!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9  Buzz of the Orient    4 years ago

Maybe Milley should be commended for preventing China from making a pre-emptive strike caused by a stupid move on the part of Trump. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 years ago

After all, Trump's  behaviour was so irrational (the"fix", the "stolen" election) at the time it is hard to know WHAT he might have done.  I recall posting a comment around that time that I hoped he was not going to be allowed near the "button". 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.2  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 years ago

That is not how our government works.

The military doesn't get to usurp the power of CiC because they feel like it; don't trust it CiC; or more than likely in this case didn't like the CiC.

If Milley did have direct talks with China w/o Trump's knowledge- then he is guilty of treason.

If Milley asked for loyalty oaths from the officers beneath him; and they gave it, or stayed silent about it- then they are all guilty of sedition.

If this is true; and by Milley's silence it damn well sure looks like it, then he needs to be fired now- and be put up on military charges along with those officers under him that were involved. 

How the hell did a narcissistic, woke, incompetent, jackass like Milley ever rise so high in the military? Better still why was he kept around so long in DC?

The left are all loving Milley right now. But from the looks of it they are backing a traitor and seditionist. The left really does love it's criminals. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.2    4 years ago

As far as how your government "works", I've seen some pretty unbelievable things over the past year. I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who shook his head during that time.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.2.1    4 years ago

If you are referring to Biden; you can thank the morons on the left and US media for not vetting him properly. Seems "not being Trump" doesn't make Biden a good President; or even a competent one for that matter. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.2.2    4 years ago

I have no great love for EITHER Trump or Biden.  And that does NOT mean that I prefer Justin Trudeau OR Xi Jinping, and in fact about the only leaders these days whom I respect are  the PM of New Zealand and the leader of Singapore. The only leaders I can recall that I ever truly admired were Justin's father, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, and JFK.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 years ago
Maybe Milley should be commended for preventing China from making a pre-emptive strike caused by a stupid move on the part of Trump. 

Senator Rubio probably said it best yesterday when he asked What if General Milley thought Biden was senile and took the same actions?  Then we know that he would have been Court-Martialed!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3    4 years ago

You're comparing Biden with Trump?  Well, thanks, I'll be signing off here soon with a smile on my face.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.3.1    4 years ago

Have a good night. Sometime soon we need to discuss Peking Duck.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.2    4 years ago

Perhaps a few years ago I posted an article about Peking Duck, but happy to discuss it with you.

food-drink-peking-ducks-chinese-chinese_foods-eat-tzun679_low.jpg

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.3.3    4 years ago

Never had it. What's it like?

I'll wait on that. Talk later

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.5  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 years ago

I have been meaning to ask. What stupid move are you referring to that doesn't damn well exist? Prove that Trump was planning on moving against China; or anyone else for that matter. Trump started no new military conflicts during his entire 4 years; no matter how much the left howled and screamed about Trump being unpredictable and unhinged. Can't say the same about any of his predecessors; who all loved starting new military conflicts. Trump also tried to get the US out of Syria and Afghanistan. He sounds like a real damn war monger./S 

Obviously there was none. Milley was just being an incompetent TDS driven partisan moron. 

Since the left loves what ifs. What if Trump found out about Milley's calls to China, and stating he would "warn China of any US attacks". Then hears about the loyalty oaths that Milley forced his subordinate officers to swear to him. Trump does his normal and shit cans Milley and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Then Trump tears into China in a tirade. China thinks that their stooge in Washington is gone; and Trump is unstable. China launches a preemptive strike on the US. All thanks to Milley the moron overstepping his duties.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.5    4 years ago
"What stupid move are you referring to that doesn't damn well exist?"

Who knows?  A leader who makes it clear to the public that he won't wear a mask (great leadership), suggests inserting bleach or disinfectants as a cure, says he delayed containing the virus because he didn't want people to panic, thought that the butcher NK's Kim was his best friend, tries to convince everyone that the election was stolen from him and that he actually won has the possibility of doing any possible crazy thing. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.5.1    4 years ago

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Ronin2
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9.5.3  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.5.1    4 years ago

In other words not one damn thing that had a direct affect on Milley's job.

Thank you for proving that Milley had no damn reason to do what he did. He was just another partisan asshole with rampant TDS and a Napoleon complex.  

The fact that Trump didn't try to start any wars further proves that Milley was wrong.

Milley is a traitor and seditionist. He and those subordinate officers that took his oath (or stayed silent about it and what Milley was doing) should all be fired and then court martialed. If there are enough of them they can open a special prison for them called the Woke TDS Detainment Center.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.5.3    4 years ago

I appreciate the fact that you are of the opinion that I stand equal to the Encyclopedia Britannica in being a source of PROOF of anything.  That makes me feel that whatever I say is perfectly correct.  Thank you for the compliment.

Now, a person with mental illness, gets a gun and kills a bunch of students in school, but he has never killed kids in school before, never said anything about doing or wanting to do it, and in fact such a thing never crossed his mind before.  But according to you, since he never even thought about it before, he can't possibly be considered capable of killing those kids. I love your sense of logic.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.5.5  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.5.4    4 years ago

Far better than yours it seems.

Both you and Milley were dead wrong. Trump didn't plan on starting anything. So Milley committing treason and sedition were all for nothing; and he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of military law.

By the way, you do know that Milley is not next in line to be CiC- that would be Mike Pence. Funny Milley didn't run things past Pence first instead of assuming command himself

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.6  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.5.3    4 years ago
In other words not one damn thing that had a direct affect on Milley's job.

Actually, Milley's job includes evaluating whether orders are LEGAL. 

I'm pretty sure that an order to attack China 'because I say so' from a petulant narcissistic sociopath would be illegal. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.7    4 years ago
If Milley was so concerned, why did he refuse to go through the proper protocols?

What 'proper protocols' are those Tex? Please post a link...

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.9  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.7    4 years ago

Oh ya and I am STILL waiting for someone to cite the order that Milley allegedly failed to follow. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.12  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.10    4 years ago
is your Google broken?

No, why do you ask? 

Ever heard of the 25th Amendment?

Yes, why do you ask? 

BTFW, I could find no link to support that a President can't order attacks because he says so.

Is your Google broken? Try the UCMJ. 

I just can't see where anyone in their right mind would believe that telling the enemy you would warn him of an impending attack isn't right. One of the stupidest, most fucked-up things I have heard of.

WHEN was China designated as an enemy of the United States Tex? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.13  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.11    4 years ago
Perhaps instead of looking to me for answers to that, why not ask whoever it was that stated it????????????

Well gee Tex, you stated that Milley failed to follow 'proper protocol' and that he was wrong. 

So WHICH protocol are you talking about and WHAT was Milley wrong about? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @9.5.12    4 years ago
"WHEN was China designated as an enemy of the United States Tex?" 

It's been so designated by a couple of far right wing members of NT.  Oh the FEAR that China might advance past the world's number one nation...

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.14    4 years ago
Must be your penchant for demanding links.

Or your attempt to deflect from the bullshit you post. 

What a stupid thing to ask after I JUST told you I couldn't find any link to prove your claim.

Oh, I didn't realize that your were unaware of the existence of search engines other than Google.

Oh and I find it telling that you think that the 'cuz I say so' of a petulant, narcissistic sociopath to attack a country could possibly be considered a LEGAL order. 

Well, I would hate to think we would attack an ally.

If we launched an attack on China, would they be considered our friends?

SMMFH

That is a deflection Tex.

50 US Code 2204 contains a definition of the term 'enemy' per US law. I suggest you review it. 

BTFW, refusing to kiss Trump's ass doesn't qualify as 'engaging in hostilities'. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.19  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.15    4 years ago
Gee, I wonder if perhaps I mentioned the 25th Amendment for a reason ?

Well gee Tex, since the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is NOT a member of the Cabinet, HOW is the 25th Amendment relevant? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.20  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.17    4 years ago

I'm pretty fucking sure that the Congress, not the POTUS, has the sole authority to declare war [an enemy]. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.23  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.17    4 years ago

If America attacked China, then of course China would be considered an enemy, just the same as if China were to attack the USA.  But that hasn't happened, and as long as sane people are in charge, I don't think it ever will.  It isn't hypothetical that there are members of NT who declare that China isn't just "an" enemy of the USA, but that it is the number one enemy of the USA.  Can you imagine what it would be like in both countries if all trade between them stopped cold?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.5.24  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @9.5.6    4 years ago

No, that is not Milley's job. God where does the left get this shit from?

Milley has two options if he doesn't like the President's orders, and cannot persuade the the President to change his mind. Carry through with them to the best of his abilities- and work with the President for the best possible outcome. Or refuse to follow the orders and resign. That is it. No other damn options.

Or why else did Milley not assume command for Slleepy China Joe Biden in Afghanistan? Milley supposedly warned Joe what would happen if he removed all US troops first and shut down Bagram before the evacuation. Milley chose the gutless option of staying and trying to help Biden make the best of the fucked up situation that was of their making. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.25  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.5.24    4 years ago
Milley has two options if he doesn't like the President's orders, and cannot persuade the the President to change his mind.

WHAT order? 

You have failed to cite what article of the UCMJ Milley violated OR what order he failed to follow. 

Innuendo doesn't cut it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.27  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.22    4 years ago
Very good!!! Ain't learning fun!!!!????!!!

I suppose that it is good that you've learned that the POTUS ordering an attack on a foreign nation does NOT inherently define that nation as an enemy under the law. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.29  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.28    4 years ago

I've always viewed learning as quite real and important Tex, but you be you. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.31  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.30    4 years ago

Willful ignorance often has that effect. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.5.33  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.32    4 years ago

I haven't failed to provide evidence for anything Tex. The deflection of your comment is juvenile. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.35  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.26    4 years ago
"Even you would have to admit..."

EVEN me?  EVEN me?  Wow!!!  Yes, I agree that would have been treasonous.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.5.37  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @9.5.36    4 years ago

You called that a "hypothetical" Tex.  Although I cannot find it now, I myself posted on NT my concern as the election was approaching that Trump might start a war to solidify support behind him.  And I commend Milley for also seeing that possibility because of the personality and actions and statements of Trump back then, those things I listed in a comment above.  IMO great minds think alike and I'll bet there were lots of others who were worried about it as well. 

In fact there happens to be another side to the story the Republicans are jumping up and down about...

Retired general says Milley’s calls with China are normal and being 'sensationalized'

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  JohnRussell    4 years ago

Good Morning America barely mentioned Gen Milley today (less than 30 seconds) .

Some "bombshell" issue. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @10    4 years ago

MSNBC and CNN are talking about him like he is a hero.

Is anyone surprised?

It's just another thing for Klain & Rice to defend.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @10    4 years ago

You mean show hosted by the Democratic Sean spicer broadcast the party line? 

Wow! 

 
 
 
evilone
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11  evilone    4 years ago

IF the book is correct about Milley, then the book must also be correct about Trump's deteriorating mental state. So then logically you either believe the book is false or Milley is a minor hero. Personally I don't form opinions on political books without other sources of evidence. IF appropriate agencies want to know more I'll follow along and then form an opinion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @11    4 years ago

Really?  So if a book contains a single fact everything else in it must be true?

You may have just verified every book ever written.

 
 
 
Dulay
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11.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    4 years ago
Really?  So if a book contains a single fact everything else in it must be true?
You may have just verified every book ever written.

Conversely, you just posted ANOTHER strawman. 

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
12  squiggy    4 years ago

What happened to the Marine 0-5 who spoke his conscience? Milley goes to the bottom of that toilet.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
12.1  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @12    4 years ago

… and there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
12.2  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @12    4 years ago

… and there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.1    4 years ago
there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

Trump is being done in by his own kind then. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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13  Sunshine    4 years ago

Wonder what other treasonable acts he has done?

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
14  squiggy    4 years ago

So many have forgotten the terror of Al Haig and "I'm in control here."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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14.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  squiggy @14    4 years ago

Some have forgotten the Generals who actually won wars and didn't grovel to get promoted.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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15  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

This just in:

"A spokesperson for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen.   Mark Milley   is defending allegations of "secret" calls with his   Chinese   counterpart, saying the conversations are "vital" to "reducing tensions" and "avoiding unintended consequences or conflict," maintaining that the calls were coordinated with high-level defense officials. 

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia. These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict," Milley spokesman Col. Dave Butler said in a statement Wednesday. 

Butler said that Milley's calls "with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability." 




So now we know the call was real!

 
 
 
Hallux
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15.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    4 years ago
So now we know the call was real!

Oh good! Now 'we' can continue entertaining our readers (hey guys, hey gals) by flogging dead horses with dead squirrels.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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15.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @15.1    4 years ago

No, simply court martialing a traitor and seditionist Milley will be more than enough.

 
 
 
Dulay
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15.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.1    4 years ago

Please cite the article of the UCMJ that Milley violated. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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15.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.1    4 years ago

Silence ensues...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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15.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @15.1.2    4 years ago

Um..  Ronin did.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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15.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @15.1.4    4 years ago

Um, no he didn't.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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15.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @15.1.5    4 years ago

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Ronin2
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15.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @15.1.2    4 years ago

3. Sedition- when Milley made those officers swear loyalty oaths to him. Those officers that swore the oath; and those failed to report it can be charged with 4 and 5. Milley was not (and never will be CiC); when he took over those powers that is the very definition of sedition. Not the Jan 6th BS the left has been hyperventilating over. 

A service member of the United States armed forces who seeks to overthrow lawful civil or military order by seditious or mutinous acts either through violence or disobedience could face punishment under Article 94 of the UCMJ. Accusations of mutiny and sedition are some of the most serious in the military. While a remote chance of occurring, even the less serious offenses found within Article 94 could carry with them the penalty of death, r egardless of whether the actions were taken in a time of war or peace.
  • A simple act of disobedience—the refusal to obey an order—could be all the government needs to accuse you of mutiny under Article 94.
  • Should you be convicted of any of the charges under this article, you could face extraordinarily tough sentencing.
  • Even some lesser included offenses include extensive maximum jail time—up to a decade—and force you out of the military with a dishonorable discharge and a loss of all military benefits and pay.

You could be the target of gross overreach by the government and its ruthless prosecutors. Bilecki Law Group will help you fight back against these charges and secure the best possible outcome in your case.

Defining Article 94 of the UCMJ

All of the  articles  of the UCMJ requires prosecutors to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a handful of critical assumptions—known as elements—to convict you of a crime. Article 94 governs two separate offenses—mutiny and sedition. From most to least serious:

    1. Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance
      1. That the accused created violence or a disturbance; and
      2. That the accused created this violence or disturbance with intent to usurp or override lawful military order
    2. Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform a duty
      1. That the accused refused to obey orders or otherwise do the accused’s duty;
      2. That the accused in refusing to obey orders or perform duty acted in concert with another person or persons; and
      3. That the accused did so with the intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.
    3. Sedition
      1. That the accused created revolt, violence, or disturbance against lawful civil authority;
      2. That the accused acted in concert with another person or persons; and
      3. That the accused did so with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of that authority
    4. Failure to prevent or suppress a mutiny or sedition
      1. That an offense of mutiny or sedition was committed in the presence of the accused; and
      2. That the accused failed to do the accused’s utmost to prevent and suppress the mutiny or sedition
    5. Failure to report a mutiny or sedition
      1. That an offense of mutiny or sedition occurred;
      2. That that the accused knew or had reason to believe that the offense was taking place; and
      3. That the accused failed to take all reasonable means to inform the accused’s superior commissioned officer or commander of the offense.
    6. Attempted mutiny
      1. That the accused committed a certain overt act;
      2. That the act was done with specific intent to commit the offense of mutiny;
      3. That the act amounted to more than mere preparation; and
      4. That the act apparently tended to effect the commission of the offense of mutiny

If that doesn't work, fire him and dishonorably discharge him and try him for sedition and treason as a civilian. 

Treason can broadly mean betrayal or treachery, but it is a federal crime — and the only crime expressly defined by the Constitution. Treason only applies to American citizens and can be committed by “levying war” against the U.S. or by giving American enemies “aid and comfort.” Both of these crimes require concrete action as well as an intent to betray the nation , according to the National Constitution Center. There have only been a few treason prosecutions in American history, and there has only been one person indicted for treason since 1954 and the last time someone was convicted was in 1952.

When Milley called the Chinese and promised to warn his counterpart of any US attack- that is Treason. China is not our friend, and China is definitely not our ally. 

Sedition is a federal crime that falls short of the offense of treason. While the crime of treason requires action, sedition is any conspiracy to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States. This includes preventing, hindering or delaying the execution of any law of the United States or seizing, taking or possessing any property of the United States. Merely advocating for the use of force does not qualify as sedition as it is most likely protected by the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.  

Think Milley wasn't hindering Trump's ability as CiC with his actions? That his actions didn't pose an imminent threat to the US? That having the chain of military command go through him wouldn't have created conflict in the case of an emergency? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.7    4 years ago
sedition is any conspiracy to overthrow, put down or to destroy by force the government of the United States.

it takes more than one person to commit sedition

who else are you planning on indicting? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.7    4 years ago
Treason only applies to American citizens and can be committed by “levying war” against the U.S. or by giving American enemies “aid and comfort.”

You wouldnt even be able to prove that China is an "enemy" of the US let alone that Milley gave them "aid and comfort". 

 
 
 
Dulay
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15.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.7    4 years ago

I find it hilarious and sort of sad that you actually block quote the definition of sedition and STILL don't realize that Milley's actions do NOT qualify. 

Think Milley wasn't hindering Trump's ability as CiC with his actions?

AGAIN! You block quoted the violation and even put it in bold and STILL do not understand WTF it MEANS. 

It states that the violation would be hindering a LAW Ronin, NOT a POTUS actions. Trump is NOT the LAW, no matter what he or you want to believe. 

That his actions didn't pose an imminent threat to the US?

Hyperbolic much? 

That having the chain of military command go through him wouldn't have created conflict in the case of an emergency? 

If there were a state of emergency while Trump was wallowing in his electoral loss, I can only hope that there would be a level headed leader to protect this nation. That isn't and never has been Trump. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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16  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 years ago

the book, authored by Washington Post associate editor

A book written about Trump.  By a Washington Post editor.  And we are all supposed to take this as absolute fact?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Good news:

There will be a hearing for Milley on Tuesday.

It looks like Biden's handlers are going to try and ride this out. That will keep it all right in the news!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Reporter: "Did General Milley do the right thing, sir?"

President Biden: "I have great confidence in General Milley."

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Ronin2
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19.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    4 years ago

Milley had better watch his back. Biden may have just found his Afghanistan scapegoat. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
19.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @19.1    4 years ago

The delusion is deep in that comment. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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19.1.2  GregTx  replied to  Dulay @19.1.1    4 years ago

I'm not so sure. As you and others have pointed out, he's a Trump appointment.

 
 

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