Was Jesus a Jew. Yes and a very Prestigious one at that.
The bible leaves little doubt. Was Jesus white skinned? Highly unlikley as his tribe was dark skinned as werethe peoplein the surrounding area where he lived.
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Being the son of Mary he was a direct line descendentwith a right to King Davids thrown.
If Jesus was a Jew and he met with Jewish religious leaders and even taught in the Jewish Temple why are Christians not followers of the Jewish faith like Jesus?
Because it's all speculation.
All Religions are based on faith thereare no true facts. Copies of copies changing of languages names slaughtered yup need a lot of faith blind at that.
Jewish religion does not accept Jesus as the Messiah,Whereasthe Christian religion does.
Great question actually. The ramifications being that Jesus was Jewish as well as something new and different.
According to the Bible Jesus preached within the context of Judaism to a Jewish audience. He comes across as a Jewish reformer perceived as a radical threat by conservatives within the established hierarchy of Judaism.
This agitation brought him to the attention of the Roman authorities wary of any problems in a difficult to govern province of the Empire known for insurrection.
St. Paul is claimed by the Bible to have taken the Jewish message of Jesus out into the Gentile world where it eventually abandoned its Jewish roots and went an entirely different way.
The factual problem with this progression is the scarcity of historical evidence in support of it.
A throne passed through the father, not the mother
Jesus was born of a Jewish mother, making him an ethnic Jew.
He obeyed Jewish customs, making him a cultural Jew.
Yet he started a new religion.
He said he fulfilled the Jewish law and it would soon pass away.
Almost all Jews, then and now, agree Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah and his teaching was not Jewish.
Christianity was first taught to Jews and most of them rejected it.
It is in opposition to the most basic Jewish laws.
On the other hand there is no history to deny it.
Someone started the new religion and someone carried it to the non Jewish world.
Actually, the historian Flavius Josephus did quite a bit of recording of history at the time, and Jesus is there allright.
Christianity eclipsed Judaism because it was made far more palatable to be a G-d fearing person with the newer, lest strict rules of the new faith.
You are right on both counts.
Judaism and Christianity are completely different religions.
Judaism and Christianity are completely different religions.
And Christianity has a far better marketing department than does Judaism.
Christianity preaches a great deal about being good in your heart, while Judaism is a very ritual intensive faith. Christianity also has the ongoing mission of converting non-Christians to the faith, where Judaism has no such thing.
Christianity has grown to several hundred million followers, while Judaism struggles at the 10-15 million level.
You'd think the Jews would have the marketing down...
Lol;...
:~)
...perhaps the focus is quality rather than quantity?
perhaps the focus is quality rather than quantity
The trouble with that is that when someone gets the idea to wipe up out, and they nail say, 6 million, that's like 40% of us.
Savvy?
Again you are right.
But you could look at it from a religious viewpoint.
God sent his son Jesus to start the true religion.
So of course God would help help that religion grow.
I have no objection tothose types ofreligious theories, as long as they are not used as a pretext to wipe out another faith.
Yeah, I see what ya mean...attrition is not friendly. We should have a talk with that marketing department.
That isn't true Red.
Jesus lived his life as a Jew. He celebrated all Jewish holidays and followed all Jewish customs. What he did teach, were extras to the Torah (the OldTestament). In many ways, what he taught is no different than the reform movement/Reconstructionist movement ofJudaismhas now. The big difference is if he was the Messiah or not. To Jews, the Messiah only comes once and takes an accounting of the people. He is not the son of God. To Christians, he came to spread a different message about the teachings of the OldTestament, and promised to come again for judgment (Revelations). Here is the big difference... that and the added new customs that evolved over time. But even those don't count, sinceJehovahWitnesses and Seventh Day Adventist follow Jewish holidays. I won't count Jews for Jesus or Messianic Jewish movements, since they are trying to sell something to unknowing Jews, that is in direct conflict with thefundamentalbelief, that Jesus was the son of god and the Messiah.
Again I agree.
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Jesus taught
Beware of the doctrine of Herod and the Pharisees.
Follow the rituals they say follow but do not follow their doctrine
{In the old testament Elijah called fire from jheaven to kill 50 men who did not believe him. }
in Luke 9, verse 56 Jesus taught the opposite
The villiage did not welcome Jesus and his disciples.
John and James said.
"Shall we call fire down from heaven to kill them as Eligah did?"
Jesus said.
"You don't know what kind of spirit you serve.
I came to save lives, not to kill."
This passage alone proves Jesus brought a new religion.
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I thought you forgot about little ol' me.
But you do follow the doctrine hence why the oldTestamentis used in conjunction to the new one. And ironiclly, it is the rituals that have been given up.
There is a second book in Judaism called the Talmud. It is discussions on the meaning of such passages. They were not meant to be literal, like the NewTestamentis.
For instance, the story where Abraham takes Issac to besacrificed. Many take that story to mean that Abraham was unquestioning of god. But there is a secondinterpretation. At the end of that story, Issac is untied and walks away, never to speak to Abraham again. Some say that this indicates, that even when god makes such a request, one that we feel is immoral, that we should do what we know is right. In fact,Abrahamfailed the test and his punishment was that his son left him forever.
Which goes directly to this passage:
Since the Talmud goes back to 70 AD, its hard to know if Jesus wasinterpreting, which was very common of the time andsince Luke's and Johns gospels are the onesfurthestfrom Jesus' death they read very differently than Matthew and Mark.
I love discussing comparitive religion. It was my favorite topic in college
THAT is a great point...and interesting as well. For example, I have never understood some Christian stances that claim that the NT only, is for Christians, in an excuse to negate the OT. If Christians do truly hold Jesus as the messiah, there evidence comes from both testaments, or neither, as the NT is constantlyharkingback to the OT as proof of it's own, and Jesus', veracity.
I thought you forgot about little ol' me.
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love discussing comparative religion. It was my favorite topic in college.
I am going to start writing 2 religious articles a week.
I am aware of the Talmud.
The Koran says the core teaching is easy to understand. Other verses are hard to understand. follow the verses you understand while you study the ones harder to understand.his is good advice for any religion.
If most are hard to understand you are in the wrong religion.
Other than revelation which is labeled a dream the NT is easy to understand.
Zackly Larry!
Well, I'm glad that you didn't forget about me Red, since I never forgot about you!
And that above comment is what I always loved about you. You think out of the box. I love that.
And write away.. I love religion and ethics. It's my gig!
Actually not so. If it was so easy to understand, then there would be only one brand of Christianity, which of course, there isn't. The reason being interpretation. In that sense, it is no different from Judaism. And even withinJudaism there are different denominations. Just the mere fact that there are 4Gospelstells you that there are 4 differentinterpretationsof he events and the lessons.
NT isn't a dream. We're using it right now.
If 4 of your followers wrote books about you they would all agree you are wonderful but would differ on details.
the NT is not a dream but the last book, REVELATION< is.
Most people who argue about the NT have never read it. They just repeat what they hear others say, most of which is made up.
If it was so easy to understand, then there would be only one brand of Christianity.
When I finish rewriting the NT you should read that.
But you must remember before crucifixion Jesus us only talked to Jews, with 4 exceptions.
if I started a new site and wanted you to Join I would compare it to Newstalkers, not Newsvine, or MSNBC.
Paul is the one who brought in Gentiles.
When he spoke in the Aerocropolis in Athens he refered to Greek religions, not Judaism.
Well thank goodness!
This is true. He was bring his brand of Jesus' teaching to the Greekspaganbeliefs. But when he sent word to James about doing away withcircumcision to get more converts, this upset James terribly. They had different views of what the new faith would be. But with hundreds of miles between them, Paul could do as he pleased. Hence why thegospelsread so differently.
Paul's church was tiny compared to the rest of the early church; and was attempting to make headway in the pagan world. Not only did Paul's vision encompass a religion that included gentiles, part of the reason he headed out the direction he did, was precisely because his doctrine andpracticeswere viewed upon so negatively by much of the rest of the early church. He went into freshterritorybecause his welcome had run out with a lot of the church in the East.
Really though, this division was only one of many smaller divisions. The Corinthian church couldn't figure out who's teachings were the most important to follow...Paul, Apollos, Peter, or Christ teachings. Besides the uproar over how Gentiles should be accepted into the faith, there were also bouts ofGnosticism(which turned out to be a MAJOR problem during the second century of the church) and lottsa morally corrupt churches as well, some that even preached that since Jesus brought freedom from the law, no more laws needed to be followed at all.
Christianity in it's early stages was in a constant state of quite dynamic flux.
And using the Bible as reference was Jesus 37 or 42 generations after David?
Not to mention that at the time generational lines were tracked through the male and not the female leaving much doubt as to Mary's genealogy.
He also had a full beard, and probably cropped his hair short as was the custom for rabbis of that day!
Gimme that ol' time religion, gimme that ol' time religion, gimme that ol' time religion. It's good enough for me. It was good enough for Jesus, it was good enough for Jesus, it was good enough for Jesus, so it's good enough for me.
Wait a second, Jesus was Jewish!!!!! OMG!!!!!