Paris attack: 125 + 'killed and dozens wounded, numerous explosions (Suicide bombers)
Scores killed in Paris terror attacks at six separate sites
Maya Vidon and Doug Stanglin, USA TODAY 8:41 p.m. EST November 13, 2015
Dozens of people were reported dead Friday night following several separate terror attacks in and around Paris. AP Paris Correspondent Angela Charlton re-caps the latest from the ground. (Nov. 13)
Police forces, firefighters and rescue workers secure the area near the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris, on Nov. 14, 2015.(Photo: Francois Guillot, AFP/Getty Images)
PARIS — Terrorists on a murderous rampage killed scores of people in multiple attacks in the French capital Friday night, including at least 100 held hostage at a concert hall before police swept in.
Explosions and gunfire erupted as the heavily armed security forces poured into the theater where a California rock group was playing. One police official described “carnage” inside the building, saying the attackers tossed explosives at the hostages, the Associated Press reported. At least two suspects were killed in the siege. It was unclear how many hostages were rescued.
Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins said early Saturday that the death toll, spread across six sites in the city, could top 120. In addition to 100 killed at the concert venue, at least 11 died in a Paris restaurant in the 10th arrondissement and at least three were killed when bombs went off outside a stadium, police said.
It was the deadliest violence Paris has seen since World War II. No group immediately claimed responsibility for the attacks.
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Night of terror in Paris, the City of Light: 'You find yourself between dead bodies'
French President Hollande declared a state of emergency and took the unprecedented step of closing all borders late Friday after gunmen opened fire at multiple locations. Explosives were set off at the Stade de France, the national stadium, where Germany and France were holding a friendly soccer match with Hollande in attendance before he was whisked away. At least one of the explosions at the stadium was believed to have been caused by a suicide bomber.
"Terrorist attacks of unprecedented scale are underway," Hollande said in a national TV address. "There have been dozens of deaths, there are many injured, it's a horror."
The attacks come just 11 months after 16 were killed in twin attacks at the Paris offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and a kosher grocery store outside the city.
"Once again we are under attack," Hollande said, adding the French military was being deployed across the city. A curfew was in place in Paris for the first time since WWII.
"The terrorists want to scare us and instill fear," he said. "There are reasons to be afraid, but the nation knows how to defend itself and mobilize its forces and how to defeat the terrorists."
Parisians launched the hashtag #PorteOuverte, which translates to #OpenDoor, on Twitter to offer shelter and safety to those stranded in the city. French media reported that taxi drivers were turning off their meters and driving people home — or to safety — for free.
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In Washington, President Obama called the assaults an "attack on all humanity and the universal values we all share." He added it was a "heartbreaking situation" and said he did not want to speculate about who may be responsible for the tragedy.
Police in major cities across the USA stepped up security Friday ahead of a weekend packed with sports events. Officials in New York, Chicago and Philadelphia said they had received no intelligence indicating any threats, but were stepping up patrols and taking other security precautions.
U.S. passengers bound for Paris were in limbo as airlines canceled flights in light of France closing its borders. "It's truly chaos," said Henry Harteveldt, founder of Atmosphere Research Group, a travel industry research company. "The airlines are waiting for clarification from the government."
Witnesses said the attacker at the Bataclan concert hall, where the California rock group Eagles of Death Metal was playing at the time, shouted “Allahu akbar” (God is great) and fired into the crowd.
"At first I didn’t understand what was going on — there were so many gunshots and debris flying at my head," said Pierre Marie Bertin, 36, who was at the theater when the shooting began. "You get down. You find yourself between dead bodies."
He said there were as many as four gunmen. At one point, he said, some male hostages "went onto the balcony and tried to negotiate for the life of their wives with one of the guys. It was sickening."
The initial shootings occurred outside the restaurant Le Petit Cambodia and the bar Le Carillon.
Emilioi Macchio, from Ravenna, Italy, was at the Carillon bar near the restaurant having a beer on the sidewalk, when the shooting started. He said he didn’t see any gunmen or victims, but hid behind a corner, then ran away. “It sounded like fireworks,” he said.
"I was on my way to my sister's when I heard shots being fired. Then I saw three people dead on the ground, I know they were dead because they were being wrapped up in plastic bags," student Fabien Baron tells Reuters .
At the stadium, an announcer told fans over the loudspeaker to avoid certain exits “due to events outside,” without elaborating. The announcement at first prompted some panic, but then the crowds just walked dazed, hugging each other and looking at their phones for the latest news of the violence.
Many appeared hesitant to leave amid the uncertainty after France’s deadliest attacks in decades.
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NBC News reports multiple gunfights and at least one explosion on Paris streets. Ongoing incident.
@johnrussell :
NBC News reports multiple gunfights and at least one explosion on Paris streets. Ongoing incident.
That sounds like NBC News, "gunfights". What is this the OK Corral?
Anti-Muslims, start your engines.
Funny comment John. Contrast this article with the video Sixpack posted. Tell me again how Islamaphobia is a problem. Better yet, tell that to the more than 20 people dead in France, or the 60 hostages.
John, are you seriously suggesting this is not muslim? and if it iis that they are justified? I must be misunderstanding you....not even you can be saying that those reporting and commenting on this are simply islamaphobic
@ Johnrussell
"Anti-Muslims, start your engines."
Are you equating being anti-radical-terrorist-Islamists with being anti-Muslim? If so, you are just making a fool of yourself. At this point there is little evidence as to who the terrorists are so perhaps it would be wise to wait and see before making accusations.
Actually, the terrorists are being identified now. Survivors have reported hearing them scream "Alahu Akbar", and another idenfied himself as being ISIS. I guess that means they're not Buddhists.
18 dead, many wounded and hostages taken from a nearby concert hall. Just reported on TV.
Is the world "at war" with radical Islam ? If it is, then such incidents must , tragically, be expected from time to time, or even more often than that. That is how radical Islam conducts "war". There is nothing surprising about it.
Starting to get a little "Islamophobic" John ?
@ Johnrussell
"Is the world "at war" with radical Islam ? If it is, then such incidents must , tragically, be expected from time to time, or even more often than that. That is how radical Islam conducts "war". There is nothing surprising about it."
Do you advocate that the world NOT be at war with radical Islam? Do you hope that radical Islam succeeds in its quest for a world-wide sharia-governed caliphate?
Explosions reported near the soccer stadium where Germany is playing France. The president of France was evacuated from the stadium, but the game has continued. Go figure.
The game has been suspended, and the number of dead is at 26, with 60 hostages taken from the concert hall.
Just more random violence. Definitely not a terrorist attack, unless the killers turn out to be non-Muslims.
The Obama doctrine.
You do love your p.c. themes, as pointless as they may be.
Just wait until the killers are found carrying ISIS flags and religious manifestos about Allah, then we can watch you and the President claim to have no idea what motivated the killings. Why divert from the playbook now?
I can't keep you from looking foolish. You are on your own.
You have to forgive John he's battle hardened from living in Chiraq.
I have no power to make any decisions, but if I could I would not decide to use Nukes.
I just saw where the French firefighters have 43 bodies and are expecting many more...
Air travel in France is shutdown . Hostage situation in theater . Live coverage :
CNN is saying right now that there are 6 shootings, and the French police don't know if the attack is contained...
6:23 pm EST
AK 47s in use in theater shooting.. 6:25
Not 6 shootings , six locations ... but now 7 locations .
Well, now CNN is saying at least 6 shootings-- maybe they mean locations-- I just wrote it down, verbatim... Police are storming the concert hall, and the president has closed the borders...
UGH
6:40
How horrible! my prayers to the victims and their families!
Time for France to rethink it's gun control policies and let the citizens protect themselves.
@ Dean:
Time for France to rethink it's gun control policies and let the citizens protect themselves.
Up until not long ago I was a gun control advocate. Now I would encourage not only the French, but the rest of the Europeans who are being invaded by migrants, to arm themselves to the teeth. And that goes for you Americans as well.
They are Buzz. Where they can. In fact, Austria is running out of guns.
"Time for France to rethink it's gun control policies and let the citizens protect themselves."
Logistically naive; would citizens be walking around with individual assault weapons. Who would shoot who and how many "citizens" would end up killing other "citizens"?
Cut off the head of the monster; individual acts of terrorism perpetrated in sympathy with a nuked ISIS/al Qaeda? Remove the "head" -- I'm guessing that French Nationals trained and/or influenced by the "head" itself, are involved in this Paris attack.
Cut off the "head". Citizens with firearms are not going to do that with reactionary self "protection".
Think about it.
I thought about . Where did you say this "head" was located ?
I thought about . Where did you say this "head" was located ?
Northeastern corner of Syria, locations that are currently being bombed and/or attacked by U.S., France, even Iran, Russia, drone strike locations … Afghanistan … Yemen …
Again … it seems time to drop the big one and or the smaller "big ones" … time to stop fucking around because of their ROE.
I assume your question is a serious one so, I have given you the respect of a serious response.
You want to use a nuclear weapon on radical Islam ? You have to be kidding. You would be begging the remnants of radical Islam to beg borrow or steal their own nukes. Pakistan has nukes. India has nukes. Radicals are all over both those countries. And there might be other sources. We cannot use nuclear weapons for this purpose.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with John Russell on this !
You want to use a nuclear weapon on radical Islam ? You have to be kidding.
Come on John! I come across that response, completely removed from the comment you were referring to, and because of your failure to post a block quote ahead of your comment, no one has any idea what your talking about.
@jerry-verlinger :
You want to use a nuclear weapon on radical Islam ? You have to be kidding.
Come on John! I come across that response, completely removed from the comment you were referring to, and because of your failure to post a block quote ahead of your comment, no one has any idea what your talking about.
I do Jerry because I've been looking at this article all night. You wouldn't believe it but John's comment came right after the first comment suggesting we nuke them when he first put it up but now I understand your frustration as it is a nowhere near the comment it is referring to in this article. Even after looking at this article all night I still have a hard time making heads or tails out of it.
He was referring to the comments somewhere on this page that were suggesting we nuke ISIS, but his comment seems out in nowhere land basically because he just made a comment and didn't reply to the comment he was referring to when he made the comment. If you are participating at the time they were made it is easier to make sense of it, but it reminds me of taking a deck of 50 cards numbered 1 to 50, shuffling them and then counting each card one after another by the numbers written on them. It's not that bad actually, but it can be confusing if people just make a comment aiming for it to be a reply but don't actually press "reply" to the comment they want it to refer to. I can tell you the first comment was made by John next to the last comment at the bottom, which was my reply to him.
@johnrussell :
NBC News reports multiple gunfights and at least one explosion on Paris streets. Ongoing incident.
Then you have to go up until you see the comment that is closest to the left of the comment block and that will be the next comment. Read down until you get to John's first comment and then go back up until you see the next comment before John's second comment that is closest to the left and read all the replies under it, then continue to do this until you get to the top. It should be easy for me since I have dyslexia, LOL
Just think of this song..... a little bit.
One thing that is very important is to actually "reply" to the comment you want your comment to refer to at the very least, otherwise others will reply to that comment and you will get farther away from the comment you had intentions of replying to and will appear as out in nowhere land relative to what your original objective was.
Maybe we're getting too old to be retrained Jerry. You know the saying "Old dogs can't learn new tricks".
I can't subscribe to a nuclear bomb response.
Until pressure is brought to bear on the leaders and the clerics who support jihad, this will not end. Stop aid, ban travel, no more supply of guns, ammo, or parts to build anything. Close all embassy's, remove Americans and leave the Middle East.
Can any of this work? Who the hell knows, just venting at the frustration over this entire mess. We have been diddling to long and for what? For peace, human rights, democracy....no, for oil and expanding our influence for economic gain.
What about a slew of fuel/air bombs? They're not officially nukes, but they would be effective, on any stronghold ISIS and Al Q may have.
Just don't know Dowser...vision of Kim Phuc swirl in my head.
The ISIS cowards hide in plain sight, in cities where people want to go to work and raise their kids. I liken it to having a violent gang or mob move into my neighborhood, where I'm out armed and trying to protect my family. Thankfully living in this country, I could move. These people have no place to go, with that knowledge, dropping bombs tug at my very soul.
I'm sure there are ways to let the Russians "leak" the information before hand, or perhaps we could warn everyone, then do it. We warned Japan, but they would not listen.
I do not want to think like this, but I think we have to do something so horrendous and horrible, they will back them down and disperse.
I know you're probably right my dear friend. Even given advanced warning, no country wants or can take any more.
Its just such a mess, my blood boils recalling all the events that have occurred since "WE" took out Saddam Hussein. That decision is marching home to roost, just stopping to visit our allies now! We didn't just break something, we shattered it and the ones picking up the pieces want revenge...big time.
Its just such a mess, my blood boils recalling all the events that have occurred since "WE" took out Saddam Hussein. That decision is marching home to roost, just stopping to visit our allies now! We didn't just break something, we shattered it and the ones picking up the pieces want revenge...big time.
Very well said, Lynne. Just like Frankenstein's monster... we got what we made.
Colin Powell warned us. He said if you break it it's yours and you have to pay for it. The administration and a lot of other people said go ahead anyway. It was a huge fucking mistake. Were paying the price of the Iraq invasion now and will be for generations.
Had Colin Powell run and been made POTUS instead of Obama I'm sure we would be living in a much safer world.
@lynne-adams :
Its just such a mess, my blood boils recalling all the events that have occurred since "WE" took out Saddam Hussein. That decision is marching home to roost, just stopping to visit our allies now! We didn't just break something, we shattered it and the ones picking up the pieces want revenge...big time.
Although taking out Saddam Hussein was the biggest mistake we ever made in my opinion, it isn't the reason we have ISIS and all the other terrorist groups to deal with at this time. Heck, we created Al Qaeda long before we took out Saddam Hussein. The twin towers were destroyed before we took out Saddam Hussein. Many incidents of terrorism occurred before we took out Saddam Hussein. I have the facts but this comment is going to be a little long as it is, but I will provide them if you request them.
The world wasn't all flowery before we took out Saddam Hussein. I keep forgetting Americans have a very short memory. Granted removing the guard dog who was perfectly willing to bite us as well was not a good move, but allowing ISIS to travel across the desert freely wasn't such a good idea either. We could have knocked them out before they reached the cities they now occupy. We all would like to have someone to blame, but we gave birth to ISIS a long time before we got rid of Saddam Hussein.
Maybe you would like to look back at history a little.
Or maybe you would rather hear it straight from the ones who spoke it.
Plus I haven't even put the terrorist actions on here that actually happened in the 90's and early 2000 around the world that didn't even involve Iraq as the guard dog I consider Saddam Hussein to have been in that region.
I know this will prompt some to say they were lied to and that is why they said and did what they did, but some of these people said these things before George Bush, who was as Liberal as any Democrat in my mind, removed Saddam Hussein and unwilling made an agreement to be out of Iraq by December 2011. Obama ran on getting us out of Iraq and celebrated it as his accomplishment when the deadline arrived. After ISIS emerged he said he had nothing to do with it, but that is untrue in one respect, he did nothing. He had 3 years to make another agreement and he had leverage to maintain troops there, but he didn't do anything. He was correct the last time he spoke when he said he had nothing to do with it for the same reason, he did nothing. But I can't blame Obama, because all of this started many years before he even finished college.
On the other hand, Hillary Clinton blamed Bush for the troops getting out of Iraq because of the agreement he didn't want to make, but did. Then she supported Obama for getting us out of Iraq. Then she basically blamed Iraq for getting us out.
Personally I think we should have taken the same course of action Bush's father took and put Saddam Hussein in his place, but it was inevitable ISIS would emerge eventually because we created Al Qaeda for starters.
Folks, we are the reason we and other countries are having the problems we are having today. We created the monsters and as Lynne has stated they "are marching home to roost", only it didn't start with Saddam Hussein.
Six,
The reason we have ISIS is essentially two-fold … our taking out of Saddam and the Syrian Civil War.
Both Assad and ISIS have to be eliminated. The nations currently bombing ISIS (and any other interested parties) would do well to consider how the resultant void in Syria would be filled after taking out Assad, then … taking him and ISIS TF out!
Albeit a somewhat nebulous "homeland," the so-called Islamic State of ISIS is the perceived "head" of the monster, and, wherever its tentacles feel at-home, must be leveled. The lone-wolves who identify and sympathize and commit mayhem in the name of ISIS must be shown the vaporization of the ideological-fanatical source of influence!
Nothing encourages terrorism more than the failure to resist it.
actually I agreed taking Sadam Hussein out was one of the biggest mistakes I think we could have made. I didn't care for Bush because to me he was just another establishment Republican, which made him pretty much a Democrat in Republican' clothing. I will not waste our time on this, since I see where it would lead to nowhere.
I think what surprises me and it shouldn't is how some on the left seem to be so eager to use nukes. I've heard quite a few say Hillary Clinton wouldn't hesitate to do it for years now and it looks like the closet has swung open for a few hundred deaths, but no protest for thousands of undocumented and unvetted people from countries of terror coming into this country. I guess it is loyalty to the state and not loyalty to common sense.
Six ,
Good observation about the nuclear leftists . They are a mass of contradictions ...
@ A.Mac
"Both Assad and ISIS have to be eliminated."
How are you going to do that? Assad is supported by Russia and America's master, Iran.
Six,
The civil war(s), along with acts of terrorist didn't begin with Saddam Hussein. IMO, our invasion and taking out Saddam Hussein became the impetus for individual factions of Islam to insight radicalism to the degree we're seeing today. My simplistic view, Bush broke open the hornets nest that we and other countries had been poking at for years.
Most frightening is the radical theology, the root of the uprising. While those of us in the proclaimed civilized world view the religious tenets as unsustainable, people are willing to die and kill others, clinging to a society ruled by Clerics and supporters of radical Islam.
How do we militarily fight a guerrilla war that has tentacles virtually around the world? Identifying the enemy has become increasingly harder, damn near impossible.
You don't seem to get it . ISIL is a social media creation . That same approach is the key to discouraging them from joining "the cause" .
It's time for the free world to change it's strategy about dealing with extremists and go all out and declare war and destroy them, instead of being on the defensive which is a losing strategy.
Ecclesiates 9:10
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might
IS IT TIME TO DESTROY THE SPHERE OF INFLUENCE -- ISIS and al Qaeda
“In military or police operations, the rules of engagement (ROE) determine when, where and how force shall be used. Such rules are both general and specific, and there have been large variations between cultures throughout history; typically ROE are only fully known to the force that intends to use them.” (Wikipedia)
The so-called “War on Terror” has been primarily reactionary to incidents perpetrated against civilization by Islamofacist terrorists whose ROE include the unconscionable murdering of innocent civilians and, their use of hostages and human shields.
By terrorist design, all nations, cultures and individuals are “fair game,” thus leaving potential target populations with a serious dilemma, namely;
“If innocent individuals will be harmed by terrorists in order to achieve their objectives, to protect ourselves, at some point, won’t we need to choose between our innocent citizens or theirs?
By “theirs” I mean those innocent civilians living within geographical proximity to terrorist-sympathizer countries and entities. In this group I do NOT include civilians who willingly harbor or subsidize terrorists.
“Innocent” means “innocent.” Literally.
Dilemma is defined as “a situation requiring a choice between two evils; any embarrassing or perplexing situation; a difficult choice.”
Given that increasingly, the "civilized/innocent" world is not only being terrorized by terrorist organizations per se -- but also by individual sympathizers either directly or indirectly "recruited" by ISIS and al Qaeda, I believe IT IS TIME FOR A FORMAL DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST ANY/ALL ACTS AS DEEMED BY THE SO-CALLED "CIVILIZED/INNOCENT" World TO BE A MANIFESTATION OF THE ISIS/al QAEDA, etc. SPHERE-OF-INFLUENCE!
In plain speak, implementing the ROE of terrorists … is it time for Hiroshima II?
No one need apprise me of the extreme nature of my question … but how many more innocent lives must be eradicated before the dilemma is narrowed down to a single choice, namely, with horror … their innocents or ours?
NOTE: I am thinking aloud -- I'm not even sure I know how to answer my own question -- but absent a real and specific threat to terrorists, "Innocence" loses.
Our problem Mac, is that we love freedom. But we don't enforce it. We need to rethink how we react to "friendly" Radical Muslims. When they start preaching radical teachings, we need to stop that.
And I would say we need to do the same to radical Black movements.
Hell, we already prosecute radical white movements as hate crimes. It's time we defend freedom. From EVERY radical movement.
A ridiculous and gratuitous racially motivated shot at blacks Bruce. Pretty despicable. There are more "radical" whites in this country than "radical" blacks.
STFU John. Everytime a white man says Kill Blackie, he gets arrested. Not so when a Black says Kill Whitey.
The only thing I can say here is that now the rest of the world can see what Israel has been enduring (not that many will learn from it).
It will be interesting to see if there is a change in tone about Israel's actions against Hamas after this event . I have my doubts .
On January 10th , about 10 months ago......... PARIS — Prime Minister Manuel Valls declared Saturday that France was at war with radical Islam
This was in response to the Charlie Hebdo attack. If France is AT WAR with radical Islam, are they not to expect casualities, even possibly a lot of casualties ? I would think so. Supposedly the U.S. is at war with radical Islam also, and the same reasoning applies to us too. What has France done to weaken ISIS or Al-Qaida in their various strongholds around the world ? What does this "war" consist of ?
DUH ! Islamphobes of the world unite ! /S
I think an invasion, and possibly bombardment of their holy city, Raqqa (the caliphate) may be in order . Let France put up the bulk of the troops along with Britain, the U.S , Germany and other countries affected by radical Islam elements. Take the city and burn the caliphate to the ground. Withdraw and see if they learn their lesson. If not, next time escalate.
The "great" military strategist John Russell has spoken . All heed his ill conceived plans , then do the opposite ...
Considering more Americans will be killed in Chicago by the terrorist organizations of Bloods and Crips than all of America by ISIS when can we start bombing?
There are no Bloods and Crips in Chicago , Sherlock Holmes.
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Try to stay on topic petey.
You brought it up by responding to Dean . Now choke on it ...
I think it is time now to act , not react, Amac you ask a very moral an pertinent question but those in opposition have already chosen the course , they have decided to sacrifice OUR innocents for their desires, they have no value of human life because to the those that oppose them are not human and don't deserve the consideration, the question you ask is should we , do the same ?
It is my opinion , and that is all it is , that the world today, has forgotten how to fight true evil, how to fight those that would enslave those around them, how to fight those that have absolutely no regard for human life , unless they get to define those that are worthy to be deemed human.
Bruce and others are correct , governments that cherish the freedoms they offer their citizens , are going to have to re evaluate how they interact with other states that fund , condone on the sly , and encourage unrest . This can come in may forms , refusal to take in refugees, terrorists are among them and they are too great a risk , international aide in any form , and outright military action. those things can be mitigated by our allies in the ME an having their own governments take care of them while they are in their reach. And yes that goes for any form of radicalization , no matter what race creed ethenticity or flying spagetti monster someone wishes to force another to believe in. that's just an opinon of an old cold warrior that is somewhat out of place in todays world , when they use to bump , we were what bumped back, lately no ones been bumping back so they are not afraid, and you get what you have.
I agree in principle and it would feel great for Western nations. However it is a slippery slope that we won't be able to stop and that it will lead to a to a full scale exchange of nuclear weapons. Including between us and Russia.
Randy , I dont really see a slippery slope here, your worried about putin, but putin has the same threat facing him, what does need to happen to avert that so called slippery slope is to make sure that the 2 powers of the old cold war , are actually on the same side this time . One doesn't make a move without the other , and neither of us make a move without our allies . There is a greater evil at work here than some would like to admit , but this is an evil that will eventually have to be faced , and not alone, but by a unified front, made of nations that revere freedom all the freedoms that humankind should enjoy.
its been a while since I dealt with some o the options being thrown around , but any use of nukes has to be very carefully weighed if they a used at all , and it may very well in the end be the only thing that stops and makes some of these radicals thing that life is better than death, and in that I hope and pray to my creator to be wrong, and that will not become nessasary.
"… you ask a very moral an pertinent question but those in opposition have already chosen the course , they have decided to sacrifice OUR innocents for their desires,"
And I have yet to read a word of commentary (other than yours, Mark) that acknowledges or addresses that very essence of why ISIS has not been annihilated!
The experts contend that "air strikes alone can not defeat ISIS." Of course not -- BECAUSE ANY AIR STRIKES MORE OR LESS EXECUTED WITH THE INTENT OF MINIMIZING COLLATERAL DAMAGE, THAT IS, SURGICAL RATHER THAN WIDELY DEVASTATING -- WILL NECESSARILY BE HIT OR MISS TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER!
ISIS' ROE COUNT UPON THE CIVILIZED WORLD TO FIGHT FIRE WITH WATER PISTOL LIMITATIONS -- TO AVOID TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE!
That is the well-calculated, inherent advantage of terrorism.
We know the dilemma -- our choices are all far from ideal, and thus, if the civilized world wants to spare as many of its innocent people as possible, unless I'm missing something, the innocent human shields, who, not by their choice, are covering the ass of ISIS … literally assure further victories for terrorists … and prevent ours.
I have one alternative in mind; if the United States, France, Great Britain, Russia, Iran (who has also been bombing ISIS), et al, will form a coalition comprised of a two hundred thousand or more military personnel, starting in Northeastern Syria, which will push ISIS, with the cooperation of Turkey and its contingent of military, to the border of Syria/Southern Turkey and Northern Iraq …
… that will be the beginning of a real strategy … without nukes.
My two cents.
with the cooperation of Turkey and its contingent of military
Good luck with that . Not worth 2 cents .
I have one alternative in mind; if the United States, France, Great Britain, Russian, Iran (who has also been bombing ISIS), et al will form a coalition comprised of a two thousand or more military personnel
Do you think it could be done with only 2,000? I know you said or more, but I would think it would take easily 10-15 thousand. I mean it'd be like shoving them into a meat grinder (the Turks are among the toughest fighters in the world), but some will get away around the edges. Also how do you tell who is a member of ISIS?
Do you think it could be done with only 2,000?
Randy, it should have read "two hundred thousand." I omitted the "hundred" inadvertently in the original comment and went back to fix it … it now says "two hundred thousand." A wave of force to box in and crush the concentration of ISIS in Northeastern Syria and Northern Iraq and sent a message to pockets of ISIS elsewhere.
Latest report on tv, 149 dead, 6 or 7 separate attacks throughout Paris. Paris is under curfew and France has closed it borders.
Also it looks like there were 3 terrorists killed by the police at the concert hall where there was a hostage situation .
Will France be smart enough to stop importing this human garbage? Probably not.
History has taught us that we cannot eliminate cockroaches, who have been around since the beginning of time and will likely be around at the end of time as well. But that does not stop us from trying to exterminate every cockroach that we come across.
Perhaps it is time to treat ISIS and other terrorists in the same manner - wherever they are found, no trials, no prisons, no proportionate response but total annihilation - all terrorists and all that harbor and support them - whether it is a bullet behind the ear, a drone strike or a coordinated and massive air and missile strike.
Perhaps it is time to treat ISIS and other terrorists in the same manner - wherever they are found, no trials, no prisons, no proportionate response but total annihilation - all terrorists and all that harbor and support them - whether it is a bullet behind the ear, a drone strike or a coordinated and massive air and missile strike.
Careful R-i-o, indiscriminately killing anyone not on their side is the terrorist thing. We should always strive to maintain our difference, as hard as that can be.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
A H
Perhaps you are right but that strategy has not served the civilized world all that well so far
Thanks for the feedback
Predictable. It will only get worse until this cancer is treated appropriately.
Let me guess - trainloads of Muslims into the gas chambers?
"Let me guess - trainloads of Muslims into the gas chambers?"
That a pretty tasteless comment.
You're right, it is. I don't apologize, however - because there's far too many cries in this forum for exterminating something that is not possible to isolate. Those making these sorts of comments tend to equate Muslims to terrorists in general, and are okay with the collateral damage that will result from their wishes coming to fruition.
Your sick genocide fetish is disgusting Hal.
Lol, that was unexpected. Now I'm the one wishing for genocide? I guess you didn't comprehend the spirit of my comment, so let me put it this way to you Cerenov, since the comment was directed to you in the first place:
HOW DO YOU RID THE CANCER?
Those making these sorts of comments tend to equate Muslims to terrorists in general, and are okay with the collateral damage that will result from their wishes coming to fruition.
I haven't equated Muslims (as an entity) to terrorists in general; in fact, I have consistently repudiated that very conflation!
At the same time, no one herein, or, in general, has addressed the very real, well-orchestrated tactic of terrorists using innocent human beings as buffer zones against being attacked with broad and devastating retaliation.
One more time, the ROE of terrorists create the dilemma of the civilized world having ultimately to decide which innocent people will die -- the ones who (unwillingly, but in reality) shield the terrorists, or, the ones who die because we are handcuffed by the dilemma.
There's no dancing around this … if it is avoided in the discussion, there is no discussion … just hand-wringing, platitudes and insufficient retaliation against barbarians.
I challenge anyone to speak to the dilemma … directly!
A.Mac,
What are you thoughts regarding the Governments/Leadership in the ME countries and the responsibility they have to protect their citizens from the radicalized individuals? I don't see the U.S. government turning the screws to countries that knowingly have radicals living among them.