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To put it simply, today's terrorists are not religious extremists who became radicals but rather radicals who became religious extremists. The difference is crucial.

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  8 years ago  •  15 comments

To put it simply, today's terrorists are not religious extremists who became radicals but rather radicals who became religious extremists. The difference is crucial.

Radical Before They Were Religious



Fareed Zakaria on Apr 1, 2016

NEW YORK -- The attacks in Brussels, on the heels of those in Paris and San Bernardino, have stoked an already white-hot debate about Islamic terrorism in America. Many in the West, including the two Republican front-runners, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, urge a campaign that targets Muslim communities more directly, searching for those who might be prone to religious extremism and thus terrorism.

But the recent bombings in Europe are being perpetrated by a new generation of terrorists who are upending our previous understanding of what motivates them and how to find and stop them. To put it simply, today's terrorists are not religious extremists who became radicals but rather radicals who became religious extremists. The difference is crucial.

Look at the two brothers who planned and executed the Brussels bombings, Ibrahim and Khalid el-Bakraoui. Born in a working-class immigrant family (from Morocco), they were not particularly religious and early on chose a life of crime. By their mid-20s, the two had participated in carjackings and armed robberies. Ibrahim was sentenced to nine years in prison for attempted murder; his brother, five years for armed robbery. And then, it seems, in prison or after, their journey to jihad began.

Their story is strikingly similar to those of many of the other terrorists in Belgium and France. Few were devout Muslims. Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the ringleader of the Paris attacks, regularly used drugs and drank alcohol, as did many of his comrades-in-arms. In August 2014, the New Statesman reported on two British jihadis, both 22, who, before leaving Birmingham for Syria, bought copies of "Islam for Dummies" and "The Koran for Dummies."

A remarkably thorough study by the scholar Rik Coolsaet for Belgium's Egmont Institute tries to make sense of this new wave of jihadis and distinguishes them from previous ones, such as those that turned to al-Qaeda before 9/11. The average age of a European jihadi from 2001 to 2009 was 27.7. Today, it is close to 20. Then, it took years of religious indoctrination to turn people into jihadis. Today, the decision to join the Islamic State is usually sudden and impulsive.

Consider one telltale difference. Al-Qaeda and its ilk issued fatwas with detailed critiques and politico-religious demands. What are the demands behind the Paris and Brussels attacks? Writing about these young French jihadis, the great French scholar of Islam, Olivier Roy, points out that almost none have a background in political activism (say, Palestine), fundamentalist Islam or social conservatism. "Their radicalization arises around the fantasy of heroism, violence, and death, not of sharia and utopia," he writes. The Islamic State is the ultimate gang, celebrating violence for its own sake.

These young men -- and some women -- are usually second-generation Europeans. In fact, Roy points out that often they are revolting against their more traditional, devout immigrant parents. These people are unsure of their identity, rooted in neither the old country or the new. They face discrimination and exclusion. And in this context, they choose a life of rebellion, crime and, then, the ultimate forbidden adventure, jihad.

These circumstances would explain why Belgian Muslims make up a disproportionate share of Islamic State volunteers -- which is otherwise a puzzle. The Egmont paper notes that the gap in education and unemployment between natives and immigrants is higher in Belgium than anywhere else in Europe. Fifteen percent of native-born Belgians live under the poverty line, compared to a staggering half of Belgians with a Moroccan background. In addition, Belgium has a particularly poor record of assimilation, because it has its own crisis of identity, torn between two cultures, Flemish and Walloon.

Why are these findings so important? They paint a picture of a new kind of terrorist, one who is less drawn into terrorism through religion but rather who has chosen the path of terror as the ultimate act of rebellion against the modern world -- and who then finds an ideology that can justify his desires. Radical Islam provides that off-the-shelf ideology, easily available through the Internet and social media. But it is the endpoint in the chain, not the start.

This still means that Muslims have to battle and eradicate the cancer in their midst that is radical Islam. But it does suggest that for Western law enforcement, bugging mosques, patrolling Muslim community centers, and even fighting fundamentalist Muslims might be focusing attention in the wrong direction -- if the goal is to find terrorists. Those people might instead be in the bars, drug alleys, unemployment lines and prisons of society, getting radicalized before they get Islamized.



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JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

 "In August 2014, the New Statesman reported on two British jihadis, both 22, who, before leaving Birmingham for Syria, bought copies of "Islam for Dummies" and "The Koran for Dummies."

A remarkably thorough study by the scholar Rik Coolsaet for Belgium's Egmont Institute tries to make sense of this new wave of jihadis and distinguishes them from previous ones, such as those that turned to al-Qaeda before 9/11. The average age of a European jihadi from 2001 to 2009 was 27.7. Today, it is close to 20. Then, it took years of religious indoctrination to turn people into jihadis. Today, the decision to join the Islamic State is usually sudden and impulsive.

Consider one telltale difference. Al-Qaeda and its ilk issued fatwas with detailed critiques and politico-religious demands. What are the demands behind the Paris and Brussels attacks? Writing about these young French jihadis, the great French scholar of Islam, Olivier Roy, points out that almost none have a background in political activism (say, Palestine), fundamentalist Islam or social conservatism. "Their radicalization arises around the fantasy of heroism, violence, and death, not of sharia and utopia," he writes. The Islamic State is the ultimate gang, celebrating violence for its own sake."

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  JohnRussell   8 years ago

"Their radicalization arises around the fantasy of heroism, violence, and death, not of sharia and utopia," he writes. The Islamic State is the ultimate gang, celebrating violence for its own sake."

Truer words have rarely been written.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   seeder  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Is there no one who wants to address the contention that recent terrorists are not religious extremists based on historical mainstream Islamic teaching, but are rather discontent products of alienation and psychological displacement ?

We have literally millions of white Americans who hate or dislike American Muslims because of the Quran.

What if terrorists are not motivated by the Quran ?

Writing about these young French jihadis, the great French scholar of Islam, Olivier Roy, points out that almost none have a background in political activism (say, Palestine), fundamentalist Islam or social conservatism. 

 
 
 
Petey Coober
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link   Petey Coober    8 years ago

"Their radicalization arises around the fantasy of heroism, violence, and death, not of sharia and utopia," he writes. The Islamic State is the ultimate gang, celebrating violence for its own sake."

Actually the larger reason is the price of oil . With little economic opportunity in the Arab middle east they turn to a group that formalizes extortion and theft as a way of life .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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link   seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Petey Coober   8 years ago

So Petey, you agree then with Zakaria that ISIS-affiliated terrorists are not motivated by religious belief ?

 
 
 
Petey Coober
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link   Petey Coober  replied to  JohnRussell   8 years ago

I think that statement is close to correct . Their motives are a combo of economics and certain drugs that are supplied for free to ISIL members .

 
 
 
Jonathan P
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link   Jonathan P    8 years ago

I believe that people are drawn to terrorism for any number of reasons. Religion is surely one of them. Religion is both loved and reviled by so many; those that love it extract portions of text and hold it up as their raison d'etre. And, on an ever increasing basis, people who hate religion extract their "favorite" pieces to show how the how and why of their disdain for faith.

People need an excuse for things they can't explain or justify. The mystical nature of religion offers them their imagined legitimacy.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient    8 years ago

How do we explain the extraordinary differences in the percentage of people of each religion who become killers, murderers, torturers, IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION, rather than in self-defence? Perhaps there is a propensity in particular religions.

 
 
 
Krishna
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link   Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   8 years ago

I think at different times in history, different religions were more or less violent.

But basic religious teachings are pretty much the same-- how people interpret them changes. 

 
 
 
Randy
Sophomore Quiet
link   Randy  replied to  Krishna   8 years ago

I agree with you Krishna. It's not just some religions.The propensity for violence and murder has run through every major religion at one time or another. All major religions have hands soaked in the blood of innocent people. None of them are innocent.

 
 
 
Petey Coober
Freshman Silent
link   Petey Coober  replied to  Randy   8 years ago

Minor religions have done OK that way ...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Petey Coober   8 years ago

Yep, I never knew a Bahai' that was vicious.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Randy   8 years ago

Are you saying, Randy, that only religions produce vicious radical terrorists, but there is no such thing among atheists and agnostics?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna   8 years ago

Of importance right now is what is current, not what is historical. There are some who ruminate on past incidents blinding themselves of the present situations.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   PJ    8 years ago

Good article.  Makes sense - lost souls easily susceptible to what they think is a life of acceptance and purpose. 

 
 

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