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Dipping my Toe in the Water: A Reinvigoration of White Supremacy

  

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Dipping my Toe in the Water:  A Reinvigoration of White Supremacy

Dipping my Toe in the Water:  A Reinvigoration of White Supremacy  

By: PJ

August 14, 2017

It’s been over a year since I’ve felt inspired or compelled to write.  I feel inspired again but not for reasons I had hoped.   Although I’m not sure whether I’m ready to take a chance with a full article I thought I’d start with dipping my toe in the water……so to speak.       

I’ve been struggling to find the right words and the right tone.  I’m hoping for dialogue that isn’t combative because to me this isn’t about political correctness or party ideology or who you voted for.  This is about who we are as a people and as a country. 

So as I sat in front of my computer trying to figure out how to write down my thoughts I remembered a piece I wrote back in March 2016 so I pulled it up and read it again.   I decided to start my re-entry into writing with an insert from that article because I think the point of the article provides an insight into what we’ve seen happening in the country and one of the reasons why Charlotte VA happened.

I believe there is an element of truth to the anger we are seeing and it has to do with being white. White America has been conditioned to feel shame. With that shame they have been told that they can’t talk about feeling disenfranchised because they have everything and every opportunity. They’ve been told that they don’t get to be angry and they don’t get the same right to claim they are being discriminated against because they are white. Whenever this comes up they are shut down and made to feel they don’t have the right to complain about the hate directed towards them and bigoted comments made against them because they deserve it……they’re white. There is a double standard happening but if it’s pointed out then the person must be racist.

I believe this is why we are seeing so much anger. And it’s only increasing because people continue to tell them they don’t have the right to be upset. We can’t have a real conversation about race because the terms of the subject and conversation have been set by others. Taking away any equal footing and representation in the discussion. There is no safe zone in which to have this discussion.

We’ve seen a resurgence of white supremacy groups and movements into our society’s mainstream. 

What are your thoughts on why these groups have been energized, what or how do you think they may influence domestic and international policy and do you think whether they can have a positive impact on the country?

 

Please keep the discussion civil and on topic.  


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PJ
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link   seeder  PJ    7 years ago

We’ve seen a resurgence of white supremacy groups and movements into our society’s mainstream. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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link   Raven Wing  replied to  PJ   7 years ago

Such groups have long been there, but, have been laying low in the various sewers of America for many years as people grew less tolerant of their hate and racist activities. 

But, they have been emboldened by the man who sits in the Oval office of our Whitehouse, who himself promotes the same thing they stand for in both his words and deeds, as well as do many of his base supporters. So they feel more accepted now and are coming out of their sewers again.  

Trump only said what he did today in calling out the hate groups by name, was only because he was losing face and support of his own party. It was not what he felt in his heart. 

Just my own thoughts.

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ  replied to  Raven Wing   7 years ago

Thank you Raven Wing for being the first to take the plunge with your post.  Yes, there has been a wink and a nod from this Administration emboldening them to come into the light.  Maybe the one positive take away is that it will force us to talk about civil rights in a more broad way.  

 
 
 
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08/14/17 09:32:09AM @pj:

What are your thoughts on why these groups have been energized, what or how do you think they may influence domestic and international policy and do you think whether they can have a positive impact on the country?

 

Lets start, at a point where it is always fair to do so, at the beginning!

 When a Minority pushes, for what they call " needed rights "

When that fits so well with the adage " do not allow a camel to put its nose in the tent or .... "

When a minority see that because the majority agreed to some rights to them, to then push to exclude the Majority from more and more rights.

For how long and how far, does any one think that will be allowed to continue?

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ  replied to    7 years ago

Good point.  Your post made me think about survival and what a culture or race will do in order to survive.  I wonder if we're looking at this issue to narrowly.  Is some of this frustration driven by the fear of not surviving.  People do desperate things for reasons that sometimes aren't so clear to others.  Not to say that there aren't people who do things because they're rotten to the core.   

 
 
 
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08/14/17 05:01:19PM @pj:

                                  Bingo!!!

When a minority, pushes and pushes and pushes , for its rights, it come to the point where the Majority is cornered, and then a " small slice " of that Majority that is more " polemic " takes to the streets, is that not how Resolutions start?

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ  replied to    7 years ago

Yes, I agree.  It's like a weed.  It finds a way to survive and adapt no matter the weather or condition - even in concrete.  

BTW - thanks for my word of the day.  Polemic.  I had to look it up.  hahahaha

 
 
 
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08/14/17 05:15:53PM @pj:

LOL   you are most welcome applause

 
 
 
Kavika
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link   Kavika     7 years ago

Hate groups have been around for decades, they never change, bug at time go underground till they feel the time is right, and it seems that now is the time. 

I would guess that there are more than just one reason. What all those reasons are I don't know. But it would seem that the current administration is part of the reason. 

 
 
 
katlin02
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link   katlin02    7 years ago

What all those reasons are I don't know. But it would seem that the current administration is part of the reason. 

i have to call bullshit on that---maybe it's time for libs and dems to take responsibility for obama "legitimatizing" BLM and them urging people to shoot cops...which also erupted into violence..

trump has done nothing to support "white supremacists"---that is just another smear libs are using to add to their "hate trump" rhetoric..dems/libs are always the victims when someone disagrees with them because libs are always morally superior to everyone else./s

the police chief of charlotte was just on TV and said the libs showed up with helmets, signs on heavy sticks and carrying shields--they then struck out at the marchers hitting them and ducking back into the crowd for cover...they came for a fight and they got one...are they innocent now ?  for libs to continue to claim some type of victimhood and moral high ground is ridiculous.

 
 
 
Kavika
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link   Kavika   replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

For you to rant on about someone that you know nothing about seems to be your SOP Katilin. 

You are constant in your admonishment of dems and libs but seem to have blinders on towards the right wing trouble makers. 

I would suggest that you learn a little of the history of racism and the switching of parties by those same racists. A good read is Nixon's Southern Strategy among other enlightening articles.  

In other words do your homework.

Please show me where I've supported BLM or any group supporting violence. It's simple you can't because I have never condoned  such violence. 

My opinion still stands. 

 
 
 
PJ
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My opinion still stands. 

And your opinion is always welcome Kavika.  You're right.  We need to look beyond our own bubble of information.   

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ  replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

Thanks Katlin, I think you raise a good point.  I'm not a fan of BLM and never have been.  They are a racist group and  I find their tactics disturbing.  I'm not interested in supporting a group that demands my support by taking away my rights.  I also think we need to stop villainizing each other's party.  When we lump everyone into a stereotype it makes people defensive and not as willing to see the other persons side.  Yes, Barrack Obama made a number of mistakes as has all our leaders.  

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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trump has done nothing to support "white supremacists"---that is just another smear libs are using to add to their "hate trump" rhetoric..dems/libs are always the victims when someone disagrees with them because libs are always morally superior to everyone else./s

He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents

Trump’s retaliation against the parents of a Muslim U.S. Army officer who died while serving in the Iraq War was a clear low point in a campaign full of hateful rhetoric.

Khizr Khan, the father of the late Army Captain Humayun Khan,  spoke out against Trump’s bigoted rhetoric  and disregard for civil liberties at the Democratic National Convention on July 28. It quickly became the most memorable moment of the convention.

“Let me ask you, have you even read the U.S. Constitution?” Khan asked Trump before pulling a copy of the document from his jacket pocket and holding it up. “I will gladly lend you my copy,” he declared.

Khan’s wife Ghazala Khan, who wears a Muslim head scarf, stood at his side during the speech but did not speak.

In response to the devastating speech, Trump seized on Ghazala Khan’s silence to insinuate that she was forbidden from speaking due to the couple’s Islamic faith.

“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in an interview with  ABC News  that first appeared on July 30.

Ghazala Khan explained in  an op-ed in the Washington Post  the following day that she could not speak because of grief over her son.

“Walking onto the convention stage, with a huge picture of my son behind me, I could hardly control myself. What mother could?” she wrote. “Donald Trump has children whom he loves. Does he really need to wonder why I did not speak?”

He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

In May, Trump implied that Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

He’s a Mexican ,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who  was born in Indiana . And as a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

Even members of Trump’s own party slammed the racist remarks.

“Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the  textbook definition of a racist comment ,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a reaction to Trump’s comments, though he clarified that he still endorses the nominee.

The comments against Curiel  didn’t sit well with the American public either. According to a  YouGov poll  released in June, 51 percent of those surveyed agreed that Trump’s comments were not only wrong, but also  racist.Fifty-seven  percent of Americans think Trump was wrong to complain against the judge, while just 20 percent think he was right to do so.

When asked whether he would trust  a Muslim judge , in light of his proposed restrictions on Muslim immigration, Trump suggested that such a judge might not be fair to him either.

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for  alleged racial discrimination  against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations “absolutely ridiculous” and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities. Trump also agreed to send weekly vacancy lists for his 15,000 apartments to the New York Urban League, a civil rights group, and to allow the NYUL to present qualified applicants for vacancies in certain Trump properties.

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly  discriminating against black applicants  by telling them apartments weren’t available.

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino  $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle,  told the New Yorker for a September article . “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms,  according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell , a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana  sued Trump  for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.

 
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Apparently Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) does not mind Trump’s racism. Sessions endorsed the GOP front-runner on Monday.

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

Three times in a row on Feb. 28, Trump sidestepped opportunities to renounce white nationalist and  former KKK leader David Duke , who told his radio audience last week that voting for any candidate other than Trump is “ really treason to your heritage .”

When asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if he would condemn Duke and say he didn’t want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didn’t know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched.

By Feb. 29, Trump  was saying  that in fact he does disavow Duke, and that the only reason he didn’t do so on CNN was because of a “lousy earpiece.”  Video of the exchange , however, shows Trump responding quickly to Tapper’s questions with no apparent difficulty in hearing.

It’s preposterous to think that Trump doesn’t know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him. Reports of neo-Nazi groups rallying around Trump  go back as far as August .

His  white supremacist fan club  includes the Daily Stormer, a leading neo-Nazi news site; Richard Spencer, director of the National Policy Institute, which aims to promote the “heritage, identity, and future of European people”; Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, a Virginia-based white nationalist magazine; Michael Hill, head of the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist secessionist group; and Brad Griffin, a member of Hill’s League of the South and author of the popular white supremacist blog Hunter Wallace.

A leader of the Virginia KKK who is backing Trump  told a local TV reporter  earlier this month, “The reason a lot of Klan members like Donald Trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in.”

And most recently, the Trump campaign  announced  that one of its California primary delegates was William Johnson, chair of the white nationalist American Freedom Party. The Trump campaign subsequently said his inclusion was a mistake, and Johnson  withdrew his name  at their request.

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President Barack Obama mercilessly ridiculed Trump’s birtherism at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner in 2011.

He questions whether President Obama was born in the United States

Long before calling Mexican immigrants “criminals” and “rapists,” Trump was a leading proponent of “birtherism,” the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is thus an illegitimate president. Trump  claimed in 2011  to have sent people to Hawaii to investigate whether Obama was really born there. He insisted at the time that the researchers “cannot believe what they are finding.”

Obama ultimately got the better of Trump, releasing his long-form birth certificate and  relentlessly mocking  the real estate mogul about it at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that year.

But Trump continues to insinuate that the president was not born in the country.

“I don’t know where he was born,” Trump  said in a speech  at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Saturday. (Again, for the record:  He was born in Hawaii .)

He treats racial groups as monoliths

Like many racial instigators, Trump often answers accusations of bigotry by loudly protesting that he actually  loves  the group in question. But that’s just as uncomfortable to hear, because he’s still treating all the members of the group — all the individual human beings — as essentially the same and interchangeable. Language is telling, here: Virtually every time Trump mentions a minority group, he uses the definite article  the , as in “the Hispanics,” “the Muslims” and “the blacks.”

In that sense, Trump’s defensive explanations are of a piece with his slander of minorities. Both rely on essentializing racial and ethnic groups, blurring them into simple, monolithic entities, instead of acknowledging that there’s as much variety among Muslims and Latinos and black people as there is among white people.

How did Trump respond to the outrage last year that followed his characterization of Mexican immigrants as  criminals and rapists ?

“I’ll take jobs back from China, I’ll take jobs back from Japan,” Trump said  during his visit to the U.S.-Mexican border  in July. “The Hispanics are going to get those jobs, and they’re going to love Trump.”

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ  replied to  A. Macarthur   7 years ago

That's a mouth full AMAC.  Where to begin.  Yes, Trump appealed to the worst within America but we also know that some people who wouldn't generally align themselves with racism still hopped on board the Trump train.  And it's safe to say that a majority of the supporters are white so what was going on in white America?  I don't think it was solely economics as some claim.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  PJ   7 years ago

Is it possible that many of those who voted for Trump were not really voting for Trump, but were voting against Hillary Clinton? Will they ever be identified not as persons who did not want her for reasons everyone already knows, rather than for their having a preference for what Trump was/is and stands for, or will they, by dedicated Democrats, always be considered to be ignorant "deplorables"?

 
 
 
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08/14/17 07:25:37PM @buzz-of-the-orient:

Yes, and notice the vitriol, spreading here,, for the " rights of a minority " to the " detriment of the Majority " so that screams a revolution!

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

I would rather have taken a sword than have that vile woman as president. 

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

Is it possible that many of those who voted for Trump were not really voting for Trump, but were voting against Hillary Clinton?

I would say that the opposite is every bit as possible.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Randy   7 years ago

It's just a matter of who the voters considered less desireable - different strokes for different folks.

 

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

I did not consider Trump to be less desirable (though he is very undesirable). I considered Hillary to be the qualified candidate and Trump to be unqualified. In other words she was not the lesser of two evils.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Randy   7 years ago

As I said, Randy, different strokes for different folks. IMO she may have been more "qualified" than Trump in many aspects of governance due to long years of experience in and being close to it, but there are other issues where many other than you felt differently about her being desireable - enough to make sure she didn't win.

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
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Hey R.Donald Snyder,
How you been brother?

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  The Old Breed Marine   7 years ago

Gettin' by. But still trying to place you?

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
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link   The Old Breed Marine  replied to  Randy   7 years ago

I am Michael J. Lonkouski.

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  The Old Breed Marine   7 years ago

Oh yeah? Prove it! What kind of Benz do I have? HA!

Or who is the greatest hockey team in the NHL? HA!

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
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I (shamefully) don't remember the model number, but I wanna say like an S550 convertible (white?), and of course, you are still a Red Wings Fan. (greatest ever, probably, but let's slow our roll on that, my Av's are sucking) By the way, you still got that Yzerman Jersey?

I've missed chatting with you my friend. I trust you are doing well.

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
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link   The Old Breed Marine  replied to  The Old Breed Marine   7 years ago

By the way, I would have initiated a chat, but my chat is working about as good as a GOP controlled Congress!

 
 
 
Randy
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LOL! Actually I HAD an SLK280, but a couple of weeks ago got a new C300 Convertible, with all of the toys available, in that new metal-flake Blue they came out with.

And of course the Red Wings are the greatest team in the NHL! I still have the Jersey (Thanks again!) and wear it to see my shrink in the winter months here

 

 
 
 
Randy
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BTW Great to see you again too!

 
 
 
pat wilson
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I am Michael J. Lonkouski.

Good to see you back, lol. Hope you still have that sardonic humor.

 
 
 
Randy
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Looks like he does. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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link   A. Macarthur  replied to  The Old Breed Marine   7 years ago

I am Michael J. Lonkouski.

I have often wondered if we'd see you again … 

Good to see you.

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
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link   The Old Breed Marine  replied to  A. Macarthur   7 years ago

I've just been on a blogging Sabbatical. Great to see you as well.

 
 
 
katlin02
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In that sense, Trump’s defensive explanations are of a piece with his slander of minorities. Both rely on essentializing racial and ethnic groups, blurring them into simple, monolithic entities, instead of acknowledging that there’s as much variety among Muslims and Latinos and black people as there is among white people.

yah kinda like hillary calling working class whites as "deplorable and irredeemable"

and obama referenced rural people as "bitter people clinging to their guns and bibles"

obama also said BLM had 'legitimate" grievances and police were acting "stupidly"--

those references to were to people who dared to disagree with  and question their misguided agenda...and let us not forget that anyone that dared to criticize "the one" dear obama , they were labeled a racist and they were dismissed as horrible people....

a large majority of middle america got sick and tired of it and voted for trump because of the hatred they felt coming from libs and dems..don't try to play innocent and that libs and dems are somehow victims..when libs and dems manage to piss off more than half the country with their insults, don't you think they have THE PROBLEM.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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don't try to play innocent and that libs and dems are somehow victims..when libs and dems manage to piss off more than half the country with their insults, don't you think they have THE PROBLEM.

Trump lost the popular vote by roughly 10 million and received less than 48% of that vote; he won, no argument (pending the outcome of the Russia probe). 

Clinton's reference to "deplorables" was not aimed at the "working" class … it was aimed at the racists, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes and all manner of haters that were and are part of his base. Until such time as Trump has the courage to tell Nazis, White Supremacists, gay bashers, the KKK and all hate-mongers … "I DON'T WANT YOUR SUPPORT AND I DON'T WANT YOUR VOTES, and, he FIRES BANNON, MILLER, GORKO … he is in bed with deplorable ideology and individuals.

 

 
 
 
katlin02
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Clinton's reference to "deplorables" was not aimed at the "working" class … it was aimed at the racists, xenophobes, misogynists, homophobes and all manner of haters that were and are part of his base. 

no it was not--it was in reference to ANYONE who supported trump..and that meant mostly white working class.

Until such time as Trump has the courage to tell Nazis, White Supremacists, gay bashers, the KKK and all hate-mongers … "I DON'T WANT YOUR SUPPORT AND I DON'T WANT YOUR VOTES, 

he has done this a number of times both during the campaign and after the election---the trouble is it is never good enough for libs.

, he FIRES BANNON, MILLER, GORKO … he is in bed with deplorable ideology and individuals.

 your opinion..holder was a avowed racist and obama never got rid of him. so was lynch. i don't know much about bannon or his views but i have never seen miller or gorko say anything racist beyond calling out terrorists which according to dems letting them come over and bomb shit is the only way to prove we are not racist against muslims...hell listening to libs holding any muslim responsible for rape is a racist act.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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I challenge you to provide specific information regarding each of your contentions.

THE CLINTON QUOTE

Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City on Friday, Hillary Clinton said  half of Donald Trump's supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables"  characterized by "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" views.

Until such time as Trump has the courage to tell Nazis, White Supremacists, gay bashers, the KKK and all hate-mongers … "I DON'T WANT YOUR SUPPORT AND I DON'T WANT YOUR VOTES, 

he has done this a number of times both during the campaign and after the election---the trouble is it is never good enough for libs.

He has not … I challenge you to verify your contention.

  your opinion..holder was a avowed racist and obama never got rid of him. so was lynch.

Citation please.

i don't know much about bannon or his views but i have never seen miller or gorko say anything racist beyond calling out terrorists which according to dems letting them come over and bomb shit is the only way to prove we are not racist against muslims...hell listening to libs holding any muslim responsible for rape is a racist act.

Bannon

In March 2012, after founder  Andrew Breitbart 's death, Bannon became executive chair of Breitbart News LLC, the parent company of  Breitbart News . [63] [64] [65]  Under his leadership, Breitbart took a more alt-right and nationalistic approach toward its agenda. [66]  Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016. [19]  Bannon identifies as a  conservative . [67] [68] [69]  Speaking about his role at Breitbart, Bannon said: "We think of ourselves as virulently anti-establishment, particularly 'anti-' the permanent political class." [70]

Gorka (My error on the spelling initially)

Sebastian Gorka's mother Susan worked as a translator with  David Irving , the discredited historian described by a judge as a "Holocaust denier … anti-Semitic and racist, and that he associates with right-wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism". [36]

Steven Miller

Miller and Bannon were involved in the formation of the  Executive Order 13769 , which sought to restrict U.S. travel and immigration by citizens of seven Muslim countries, and suspend the  United States Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP)  for 120 days, while indefinitely suspending entry of  Syrians  to the United States. [30] [31] [32]

 

 

So you know, katlin, I ALWAYS DO MY HOMEWORK BEFORE STATING MY POSITION.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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A. Macarthur
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link   A. Macarthur  replied to  A. Macarthur   7 years ago

Reacting to Trump’s words on Saturday, the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer praised the president’s comments as “good.”

 

“He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us,” wrote Andrew Anglin, the website’s founder.

 

“No condemnation at all,” Anglin continued. “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  A. Macarthur   7 years ago

Oh, yes, they were indeed aimed at ANY supporter of Pres. Trump.  That woman didn't define who she was referring to, but you are.

She meant me and, sir, I am not deplorable. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

Magnoliaave, Trump made some very harsh comments about American Indians...There is video and audio recording of all of his comments...In fact he was fined $250,000 for trying to hide a organization that was attacking American Indians. The only members of that organization were Trump and Roger Stone. 

So if you feel that Clinton is the only one to make comments that offended you, you should really do a bit of a study of Trump and his comments.

Other than what I stated above there are three other comments that Trump has made that are especially ignorant and incendiary. His attack on Gold Star parents and his comment about John McCain. This coming from a person that never served a damn day in his life and in fact got numerous deferments and then developed a bone spur when his deferments ran out.  

Of course his attacking a federal judge because he was ''Mexican''...

There you have it Magnolia.

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

 This coming for a person that never served a damn day in his life and in fact got numerous deferments and then developed a bone spur when his deferments ran out.

But he says he is equal to Veterans because he went to a Military High School and that surviving the 1970's without getting an STD was his Vietnam.

Besides I am sure those terrible "bone spurs" make it impossible to do things like say...play golf.../s

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

You didn't need to go into all the details as I am fully aware of his blunders and his "mouth of the South"!  I responded to "deplorable" which was aimed at me and mine when her big mouth spoke. 

So, there you have it,

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

And I responded to his name calling of American Indians, Magnoliaave. Don't feel that you the only one put upon. 

Trump has insulted large swaths of Americans with his foul mouth and lies.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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link   A. Macarthur  replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

 responded to "deplorable" which was aimed at me and mine when her big mouth spoke.

And I corrected your incorrect assessment of to whom those remarks were directed … and the subsequent apology.

I try to have dialogues in these threads … but when members double down on an inaccurate, corrected statement, there is no dialogue.

By all means, disagree with me … but have the integrity to at least acknowledge when corrected, or, at the very least, to refrain from doubling down on an error.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur  replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

Oh, yes, they were indeed aimed at ANY supporter of Pres. Trump.  That woman didn't define who she was referring to, but you are.

She meant me and, sir, I am not deplorable. 

She absolutely did define who she was referring to … and I posted the exact quote earlier.

Again …

Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City on Friday, Hillary Clinton said  half of Donald Trump's supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables"  characterized by "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" views.

And she subsequently apologized for saying it.

The persistent misinformation DESPITE THE RECORD BEING STRAIGHTENED infuriates me; there are those on this board who will not only never acknowledge when they have been corrected … THEY WILL DOUBLE DOWN ON THE SAME misinformation!

September 12, 2016

New York (CNN) Hillary Clinton expressed "regret" Saturday for comments in which she said "half" of Donald Trump's supporters are "deplorables," meaning people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

"Last night I was 'grossly generalistic,' and that's never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' -- that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement in which she also vowed to call out "bigotry" in Trump's campaign.

I ALWAYS DO MY HOMEWORK before taking a position and I have no problem in saying, "I stand corrected." when shown to have been in error. But there is a persistent obstinance among those who don't want to be "confused" by the truth.

When I take the time and make the effort to give the respect of a specific explanation to those with whom I disagree … and that effort amounts to "talking to the wall," I feel a hopelessness about where America is heading.

 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur  replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

Oh, yes, they were indeed aimed at ANY supporter of Pres. Trump.  That woman didn't define who she was referring to, but you are.

She meant me and, sir, I am not deplorable. 

She absolutely did define who she was referring to … and I posted the exact quote earlier.

Again …

Speaking at a fundraiser in New York City on Friday, Hillary Clinton said  half of Donald Trump's supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables"  characterized by "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" views.

And she subsequently apologized for saying it.

The persistent misinformation DESPITE THE RECORD BEING STRAIGHTENED infuriates me; there are those on this board who will not only never acknowledge when they have been corrected … THEY WILL DOUBLE DOWN ON THE SAME misinformation!

September 12, 2016

New York (CNN) Hillary Clinton expressed "regret" Saturday for comments in which she said "half" of Donald Trump's supporters are "deplorables," meaning people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

"Last night I was 'grossly generalistic,' and that's never a good idea. I regret saying 'half' -- that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement in which she also vowed to call out "bigotry" in Trump's campaign.

I ALWAYS DO MY HOMEWORK before taking a position and I have no problem in saying, "I stand corrected." when shown to have been in error. But there is a persistent obstinance among those who don't want to be "confused" by the truth.

When I take the time and make the effort to give the respect of a specific explanation to those with whom I disagree … and that effort amounts to "talking to the wall," I feel a hopelessness about where America is heading.

 

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
link   TTGA  replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

 

the police chief of charlotte was just on TV and said the libs showed up with helmets, signs on heavy sticks and carrying shields--they then struck out at the marchers hitting them and ducking back into the crowd for cover

 

Katlin,

 

I've been away from the TV and haven't seen the latest reports from the Police Chief.  Did he say that the marchers offered any violence at all before being attacked?  If they didn't, they were exercising their First Amendment rights to assemble and speak in a lawful manner, even though I find their message to be disgusting.  They were then physically attacked by those who don't like freedom of speech unless it's their speech, which I find to be equally or even more disgusting.  Seems to be pretty much like the tactics that Antifa used at Berkley and in other venues to shut their opposition up.  Had the Antifa and BLM people used legal means to stop the march rather than violence, this would most likely have been the first evidence presented to the court:

 

From Wikipedia:  National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie , 432 U.S. 43 (1977) (also known as Smith v. Collin ; sometimes referred to as the Skokie Affair ), is a United States Supreme Court case dealing with freedom of assembly . The outcome was that the United States Supreme Court ruled that the use of the swastika is a symbolic form of free speech entitled to First Amendment protections and determined that the swastika itself did not constitute " fighting words ". Its ruling allowed the National Socialist Party of America to march. [1]

I'm pretty sure that the Confederate flag would also not constitute "fighting words".  For those who don't remember the incident, the Nazi march was carried out, through a Jewish neighborhood, and remained peaceful, despite the strong temptation for the local people to attack the Nazis.  The people of Skokie acted like adults; too bad the people of Charlotte couldn't do the same.

 

 

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave    7 years ago

I am going to comment on your article.  There is a lot of truth in your 2016 piece.  The  "white privilege" tag is a thorn in the side of every white working person.  To hear some tell it because one is white all these advantages suddenly appear.  The white male has, also, come under attack.  Minorities march, protest and people listen and it is all about them.  The undercurrents of resentment, misunderstanding and believing that no one cares about them has a lot to do with racial issues.

At one of the Dem debates, Sanders and Clinton were going on and on about the poor blacks and something had to be done.  Just so happened, the black lady moderator spoke up and said....what about the poor whites?  With that both of them said, Oh, of course, them, also.

I liked what you had to say.   

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    7 years ago

When the inevitability of disappointment, frustration and/or outright unfairness and injustice affect us, it is common to look for scapegoats and the kinds of simplistic "causes" to blame.

And sometimes … we can ascribe fairly specific causes and effects.

But to blame entire races or ethnicities to the point that they literally become the targets of violence … and worse … reasonable, sane and courageous individuals need to say … "ENOUGH!"

A 19th Century author wrote, "We can always pay half of the poor to kill the other half!"

Translation: When power brokers buy politicians and together run endless campaigns of bigotry, lies and stereotyping … their objective is to DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

It's as old as time … 

Both major parties play the "victimhood" card and outrageously make it work.

Just look at the comments on NT.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     7 years ago

IRONY

An officer patrols in front of a recent KKK rally in Charlottesville, Va.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
link   TTGA  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Actually, rather than ironic, I find that picture somewhat inspiring.  Don't know what you see but I see a police officer performing his duty in a professional manner by protecting a group of people that he doesn't particularly like.  He is doing this because, while they may be poor excuses for human beings, they are citizens acting in a lawful, orderly manner and he has been assigned to keep them safe.  As a former officer, I find that he is carrying out his duty to the laws of this country in accordance with the highest ethical standards of his profession.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  TTGA   7 years ago

I see a black LEO protecting racist assholes that wish he were dead or back in Africa. 

And yes it is inspiring.

 
 
 
Randy
Sophomore Participates
link   Randy  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

And yes it is inspiring.

Yes it was and is.

 
 
 
katlin02
Freshman Silent
link   katlin02  replied to  TTGA   7 years ago

as were white police protecting the BLM marchers---ironic hey ? or is that just a one way street for liberals.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika   replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

Your inability to stick to the article and comment is noted Katilin. 

I didn't mention white LEO's or Asian or Red LEO's because they were not in the photo.

Fairly simple don't you think.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
link   Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

And if someone attacked them the office would be duty bound to protect them, even at the risk of his own life. 

 

 
 
 
katlin02
Freshman Silent
link   katlin02  replied to  Raven Wing   7 years ago

yes as BLM was  marching to "what do we want dead cops, when do we want it --now"--ironic hey ?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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link   A. Macarthur  replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

Some people will only see the cloud because acknowledging its silver lining would be an admission that not all things are simply black or white,

 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur  replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

as were white police protecting the BLM marchers---ironic hey ? or is that just a one way street for liberals.

If you're keeping score, let's post all the scores.

NAZIS murdered 6 million Jews! 

For once, acknowledge all the ugly realities and condemn all who support those who advocate violence and hatred. Your myopia is unnerving.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  katlin02   7 years ago

That's true, Katlin, but they forget that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika   7 years ago

Having seen that photo, and the sign being carried by that ignoramus, should I consider changing my avatar to:

satan child.jpg

What do you think?

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

I know you are from Canada and all, but rednecks are not necessarily ignorant.  The term was used for farmers who worked the fields and their necks were sunburned......like my family's.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  magnoliaave   7 years ago

OMG. You are right, Mag.  I DIDN"T know the exact meaning of the word and for that I apologize to you and to all those whose neck is burned from hard working in the fields. I have amended my comment.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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link   magnoliaave  replied to  Buzz of the Orient   7 years ago

its ok.  Most people know the truth, but still denigrate those who work their asses off with little reward.  They use the ignorant redneck or the trailer trash connotation, but call racist or bigot when someone doesn't use the proper PC term when speaking of another race or culture. 

Being from the South, I am accustom to this shit.  I knew you didn't know.

 
 
 
PJ
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link   seeder  PJ    7 years ago

Just a friendly reminder that the purpose of this article was to stimulate a discussion about why white supremacist are more visible and what role could they play in our domestic and international policies.  

I really didn't want this conversation to veer off into the same argument that both sides have issued since Donald Trump was elected.  

Please no personal attacks and let's not assume to know the other persons reasons for their comments.  

Carry on  winking  

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy  replied to  PJ   7 years ago

I believe that one of the main reasons that they are and have become more viable is actually because of them believing that they now have friends in the White House and are therefore more free to express their idiocy more openly. Considering that the White House does have Bannon, Miller and Gorka on the government payroll it would seem that they are correct.

 
 
 
Iamak47
Freshman Silent
link   Iamak47  replied to  PJ   7 years ago

why white supremacist are more visible

 

Because race sells these days.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   seeder  PJ  replied to  Iamak47   7 years ago

Very true.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
link   A. Macarthur    7 years ago

Because the mental-midget Nazi mob began its Charlottesville weekend with torches that illuminated their troglodyte mugs for all to see, now will be a perfect time to post photos of those faces far and wide in every medium that runs photos!

Some of the Nazi vermin have been identified and repudiated by family members, fired from jobs and will be blackballed forever from certain occupations.

Going through life hateful and dumb has its downsides.

Perhaps a poster of faces and names might tweak some publisher's fancy.

Hope so.

 
 
 
Randy
Sophomore Participates
link   Randy  replied to  A. Macarthur   7 years ago

One can hope...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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link   Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Randy   7 years ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
The Old Breed Marine
Freshman Silent
link   The Old Breed Marine    7 years ago

Is White Supremacy on the uptick? I'll bet the numbers say otherwise. Is it more covered in media? Sure. But that doesn't mean it's advancing.
Post 9-11, I always marveled that there wasn't a race based backlash, and perhaps, Americans are better than we think.
What is on the rise, is political vitriol and acrimony. The divisions, the animosity, the hate. Let's not kid ourselves, the Left and the Right are at war, and the extreme Left and the extreme Right are killing each other. 
So, what's the issue? Red and Blue warriors killing each other? Street fights? Protests? Murders? 
Frankly, I welcome it. Let the extremes null each other out. If blood needs to flow, let it flow. This problem won't be solved by bullshit candlelight vigils, hugs and prayers.
Sometimes, and I know it's hard to accept, people NEED to kill each other. 
What most people fail to remember is that people are animals, and animals kill. We kill for good, we kill for bad, we kill for sport, we kill for fun. 
Oh sure, we could act like we are something better, why not? I guess we would have World Peace if any of our nonsensical beliefs had a basis in fact. 
We have been adding fuel to this fire for decades, so let's allow man to kill one another. Let the purge begin. It's "Year Zero", and time to "Chop the tall trees". 
Is it "good"? No, of course not, but sometimes, the Hate must run it's course. 
Men are lime hungry, rabid dogs, and no amount of "reason" will cure their bloodlust.
So, let's play this game, kill each other, see who prevails.
Will it be pretty? No. Will it be Hellish? Yes. But on occasion mankind must cut the tumor from the species. 
Frankly, I don't give a shit. Let the blood flow, let the chips fall where they may, and lets see who comes out the other side.
I will assure you of one thing, the strong will prevail, and the weak will perish, so perhaps now is the time to figure out which sub-set you are in, before you serve as the impetus of your own demise.
You ever hear about the Jews declaring war on the Nazis in pre-WWII Germany? No, you haven't, and do you know why? Because when a minority (Statistically, not the modern compromised use of the word) declares war on the majority, they find out that might makes right, and death settles all scores.
Now, if I were a betting man, and I am, I'd run the numbers, and come to one very specific conclusion; If you ca't win, you are gonna lose, and only fools start wars they are doomed to lose.
Run the numbers, your demise lies within.

Sorry, that's just math.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
link   seeder  PJ  replied to  The Old Breed Marine   7 years ago

Thank you Stranger and welcome back.  Your war analogy is a good one.  We are at war and there are always causalities in times of war.   Whether it was because of specific actions or lack of actions both sides can take credit for helping create this war.  Is the blame equal, No, it's never equal but I'm not here to lay blame because it doesn't matter.  We are where we are and now we have to deal with where we go from here.   I agree that sometimes horrible things must happen in order to purge away the poison.  Similar to a forest fire.  Everything in it's way get's burnt but after the smoke clears the rebirth begins and it comes back stronger. 

 
 

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