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The Unspoken Reason California Politicians Want More Illegal Immigrants

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  8 years ago  •  22 comments

The Unspoken Reason California Politicians Want More Illegal Immigrants

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California politicians offered many reasons last week for praising a new law making it a “sanctuary state.”

Gov. Jerry Brown, who signed the bill, said that in “uncertain times for undocumented citizens and their families,” the new law provides a “measure of comfort to those families who are now living in fear every day.”

State Senate Pro Tempore Kevin de León said at a news conference in Los Angeles that it would stop President Donald Trump from using state and local law enforcement officers to "tear families apart, undermine our safety, and wreak havoc on our economy."

Left unsaid in the pronouncements related to economic concerns, compassion for the children, and the desire to resist Trump was a powerful incentive for politicians in immigrant-heavy states like California — noncitizens literally increase their political influence at the expense of other states.

Each state gets seats in the House of Representatives based on its population. That decennial census counts the entire population, not just voters or even citizens. Noncitizens — even illegal immigrants — count toward the reapportionment of those 435 House districts.

According to analysis in 2013 by the Center for Immigration Studies, California would lose five House seats if the nation apportioned representatives based on eligible voters rather than the total population. The political and data site FiveThirtyEight pegged the number two years later at six.
"California has a lot of extra congressional seats that are only there because of noncitizens," said Han von Spakovsky, manager of The Heritage Foundation's Election Law Reform Initiative.

Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, said reapportionment surely is not the only motivation for pro-sanctuary politicians. But she added that it is hard to conclude it is not a factor.

"I think it is a reason for politicians in certain parts of the country," she said. "It's an unspoken reason, but I think it is part of their reason."

The current system ensures that each district has roughly the same population, but the number of eligible voters can vary dramatically. FiveThirtyEight notes that 81 percent of the residents of Florida's 11 Congressional District, a retirement haven that has relatively few noncitizens or children — are voting-age adults. By contrast, only 41 percent are in the Latino-dominated 34th District of California in downtown Los Angeles.


"It takes a lot more votes to get elected … There are what are called 'rotten boroughs,'" Vaughan said.

Chris Chmielenski, director of content and activism at NumbersUSA, said a higher census count also can mean more federal funding, in addition to greater political power.

"It absolutely does," he said. "I agree with the premise that they do have a vested interest in protecting the illegal population in their area."

The Supreme Court last year   rejected a challenge   to Texas' use of the census to draw political boundaries within the state. The plaintiffs, who live in districts with fewer noncitizens, argued that the method dilutes their votes and violates the principle of one person, one vote.

But von Spakovsky noted that the high court merely ruled that Texas could use the total population count, not that it had to. And the court did not weigh in on how it might apply to apportionment of House districts among the states, only redistricting within them.

So theoretically, a plaintiff in a state that would gain congressional seats under a system that counts only voting-age citizens could mount a legal challenge.

The legal issues aside, though, von Spakovsky said politics goes a long way in explaining why California politicians approach immigration in a way much of the country considers radical.

"Pure political power is one of the most important reasons folks on the political Left come down on this the way they do and why they are so interested in getting them citizenship," he said. "They think they will get their votes."

Added Vaughan: "A lot of the politics of immigration is motivated by a spoils mentality."

Chmielenski said the reapportionment process creates an incentive for some California politicians that goes beyond a desire to boost the state's influence or bring home more federal dollars. If the number of congressional seats were cut, it would cost some those representatives their jobs.

"It's probably more of a personal motivation for members of the delegation than the Democratic Party in general," he said.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/the-unspoken-reason-california-protects-illegal-immigrants/

by   Brendan Kirby   |   Updated   09 Oct 2017 at 7:50 AM


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

"Pure political power is one of the most important reasons folks on the political Left come down on this the way they do and why they are so interested in getting them citizenship," he said. "They think they will get their votes."

Amen

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1    replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 years ago

E.A  More like the Local economy Needs the cheap labour!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  @1.1    8 years ago

that is another reason but obviously not the only one

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1.2    replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    8 years ago

E.A It be the Major, Driving, because if the economy goes down, so does everything else.

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1.3    replied to  @1.1.2    8 years ago

E.A Politics without economy is the Detroit, and that is?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  @1.1.2    8 years ago

It was a part of why Republicans never kept their promises on border security. Clearly the democrats equally benefit, telling the immigrants coming over the southern border (both legal & illegal) that they are victims and pandering to them. Democrats see them as votes for the party. CA in particular. You may know that I believe that CA has found a way to let illegals vote. It cant be proven but 2+2 has to equal 4.

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1.5    replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    8 years ago
CA in particular. You may know that I believe that CA has found a way to let illegals vote. It cant be proven but 2+2 has to equal 4.

E.A   Yes and No, that is that if they are cheating and they get caught, the damages might outweigh the benefits.

So that might well be a " Political Furphy "

Now, on the other hand gerrymandering is a Facts and we know both sides " play it " because that is the way the " Electoral College " was set up to function, people forget that the US of A was and it will never be a " democracy " it is a " Federal Republic " for a reason.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  @1.1.5    8 years ago

Gerrymandering is a fact - one that will be taken up by the SCOTUS, but having non citizens counter the votes of citizens is far more egregious than gerrymandering

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1.7    replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.6    8 years ago
up by the SCOTUS, but having non citizens counter the votes of citizens is far more egregious than gerrymandering

E.A    If you think so

 As I said it is " Part of the System " so SCOTUS can do nothing about it, what they can and ONLY do this IF, that is what they are asked to look INTO is  make sure that it is within the prescribed rules!

 
 
 
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Freshman Silent
1.1.8    replied to  @1.1.7    8 years ago

E.A People keep erroneously thinking that SCOTUS can somehow make imaginary LAWS, they are NOT empowered to make Laws, that is why there is a Group that are specifically called " LAW Makers " SCOTUS  is Sworn in, to UPHOLD those laws and the Spirit intended in those LAWS and not a Slither beyond!

 
 
 
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1.1.9  Rex Block  replied to  @1.1.8    8 years ago
is Sworn in, to UPHOLD those laws and the Spirit intended in those LAWS and not a Slither beyond!

Uh....they are the final authority as to whether the laws pass Constitutional muster...or not. Those that don't are not "upheld", but overturned.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 years ago

"Pure political power is one of the most important reasons folks on the political Left come down on this the way they do and why they are so interested in getting them citizenship," he said. "They think they will get their votes.

That is a political reality, and it happens in all democratic countries - why else do you think the Obama administration tried to open the doors wide, and the same thing for Justin Trudeau's Liberal government in Canada? However, just think about Europe where Merkel is discovering that it doesn't always work as perfectly as they would like.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    8 years ago

So true. I think the people here have got it now. Any idea how Canadians feel about it?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    8 years ago

I haven't lived in Canada for more that 11 years and I'm no longer privy to the general feeling there. I only know what I read in the media, and since I don't trust the media, who knows?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    8 years ago

I do have a relative living in Montreal, trying to work for the government & learning "perfect" French. I'll have to send him an e-mail

 
 
 
Rex Block
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1.3  Rex Block  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 years ago

Since California is one of the states (11 of them plus DC), that allow illegals to obtain drivers licenses, it is reasonable to assume that a number of them will be able to also obtain ID's that will allow them to register to vote, what with "Motor Voter", and all. .

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

The real reason is because it keeps food and hotel prices cheaper. We have always relied on slave/cheap labor in this country.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1  It Is ME  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    8 years ago
hotel prices cheaper

Where ?

I do have a standard when I'm out and about after all, and it's not cheap "Motels" !

Hotel.....Motel.....there is a difference.

 
 

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