London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest
L ondon is now more crime ridden and dangerous than New York City, with rape, robbery and violent offences far higher on this side of the Atlantic.
Seizing on the figures, US President, Donald Trump, claimed the rise could be linked to the “spread of radical Islam”, adding that it demonstrated the need to “keep America safe”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/20/london-now-dangerous-new-york-crime-stats-suggest/
Yep we saw this coming. They elected a muslim mayor so I wouldn't expect to see things getting better.
That is the sort of bigotry that has kept people away from this site.
Do the London and UK law enforcement authorities ascribe the crime increase to the existence of Muslims in Britain?
I don't think they do.
How and why is the vetting of immigrants and refugees "bigotry"? Nations have laws and sovereign borders Governments/nations have the right to accept or reject whomever they wish.
No there’s not much chance of them calling a spade a spade is there. They will probably blame it on global warming.
I havent looked into it personally yet. I did see on network news this morning that the UK authorities say that Trump is wrong
Donald Trump, claimed the rise could be linked to the “spread of radical Islam”,
No surprise there it reminds me of this.
You didn't read the whole article.
Wow guys.. I am always amazed me how you all jump to conclusions without reading the whole article. Here let me help
B ut critics dismissed his comments as “ignorant” and “divisive”, with former Labour leader Ed Miliband calling him an “absolute moron”.
He wrote on Twitter:
C riminal justice experts insisted rising crime in the UK, and particularly London, was more to do with the way the city was policed and blamed the reduction in neighbourhood patrols across the capital.
While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.
London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.
T he change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.
Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.
But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.
Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.
The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.
As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.
That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.
B ut the last decade has seen the Metropolitan Police move away from the neighbourhood policing model and low level in favour of pursuing more serious offences.
L ast week it emerged that Scotland Yard would not even bother investigating a large number of low level offences as part of a major cost cutting drive.
In addition a huge amount of police resources have been poured into high profile and politically sensitive cases, such as a the flawed VIP child abuse inquiry and the phone hacking inquiry.
At the same time crime rates in London have been creeping up and the latest statistics are likely to increase pressure of Met bosses to reassess their policing priorities.
Last year there were almost 70,000 burglaries in Greater London with more than 43,000 taking place in people's homes.
Robberies have also increased in London dramatically, largely as a result of people having mobile phones stolen.
Rory Geoghegan, head of criminal justice at the Centre for Social Justice, said neighbourhood policing had a wide range of benefits.
He said: “By embedding proactive community policing, the NYPD is helping tackle crime, improving the quality of life and building better relationships with the community.
"It’s an approach and argument that London – and the country as a whole – is struggling to maintain never mind bolster, with too many preferring to talk excitedly about investing in crime hubs to hunt online trolls.”
“The latest crime figures paint a depressing picture for London that reinforces the need for the sort of political and policing leadership that enabled the initial turnaround of the NYPD in the 1990s under Bill Bratton and enables the no less seismic shift being seen in New York City under Jimmy O’Neill today.”
D avid Green of the think tank Civitas, also said there was urgent need to put bobbies back on the beat.
He said: “It has been suggested by academics that bobbies on the beat do not reduce crime, but it is quite clear that a uniformed presence on the streets will act as an effective deterrent.
“The police in this country remain too influenced by the intelligence led investigations focused on serious crime.
“That is exactly the opposite of the model that has proved so effective in New York City over the past 20-years.”
Isn't that what some Americans? want to happen here in this country ?
Reductions ?
To "Much" police seems to be our problem....so I'm told.
I have lived in both cities and I can tell you the best thing that NY did was increase its police force and have a more proactive approach. The London "Bobbies" didn't even carry guns until the 1980's and their whole philosophy is to be user friendly. This no longer works with a city this size.
Nope....it doesn't. To many people these days !
We have a "People" problem !
A doctor friend of mine once told me, and he likes researching this kind of stuff, when things become to much for the world to sustain, WARS break out to thin out the population that can't be sustained anymore.
Maybe it's a God thing.....but who knows.
He/She Seems to be correct, if you look at History a bit differently than just the simple one side against another !
I totally disagree.
If it was a people thing than NYC would have a problem and we don't. We are one of the safest cities in the world and right up there with one of the biggest. I am not afraid to be in the city at all
Also I looked at the crime stats in London and most of them are crimes against property.
Sure thing!
There is NO SUCH THING as a "Safe" city these days. Anything can happen at anytime.
Reference the OMG moments just lately. Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, Finsbury Park, Parsons Green...not including PAST issues that have occured.
Just anomalies ?
Who woulda thought huh !
Oh.....and Paris is the City of Love !
I have always found that when it comes to the criminal element if you do not go looking for them they will not come looking for you. There is a criminal element even in the whitest of white rural enclaves in America. Crime, especially violent crime , it all to common in big, medium and smalll cites but probably worst in rural areas. Like everything else crime is a product of supply and demand and mostly the result of poverty and hopelessness. One is much safer on a crowded surveiled public street in either London or New York as compared with being on a deserted country road in fly over country. Rural America is none the less rife with poverty, desperation and crime today. Meth and Oxys fuel way too many of America's desperatae poor in rural America where there is no hope excepting for those who get the hell out early. Well, unless one happens to be part of the landed gentry. Education is the answer to poverty and thus crime. Fear of our others is no reason to sublimate freedom. Prejudices are the product of ignorance and hate...
So explain....."Innocent Deaths/murders" !
You need to Re-think !
I am in my seventh decade, have always owned guns and never ever had cause to point a gun at a person. I moved from OKC to NYC for multiple reasons including NYC is a much safer environment on multiple levels. So, I stand by my statement that it has been my experience is as long as I avoid criminal elements criminal elements avoid me.
Attempts to link increases in crime in London to immigration are lame and unfounded. Crime results from poverty...
That is not necessarily so.
I live in a "fly over" area and it is almost unheard of for violence. Are we rich? Some are. Are we poor? Some are. We are civilized!
We have good ole boys and good ole girls. We go through happiness ten times!
Paris is a toilet for so many reasons. Wil never go back again.
I live in the metro NY area and I am not worried.
There are good folks and bad eggs everywere but it takes blissful ignorance to be unaware of the crime and drug problems troubling rural America. Call your county jail or local prosecutor if you are unaware of crime in your town.
I guess ignorance really is bliss. Sure big cities have more instances of crime owing to more People but the chances of one becomming a victim of crime are actually worse in rural areas as compared with America's great urban centers. The fact is that the chances are relatively low in either. Thinking NYC is not safe is merely a product of fear and ignorance. New Orleans? Well, that may be a different story. The south has always been a lawless parto fthe world.
"Do you wake up in the middle of the night to pee?". That is kinda personal.
Nope, not yet. I sleep well for six or seven hours the same as I always did. I've got things to do.
My Father and Grandfather had prostates the size of grapefruits but mine is the size of a cherry.,,
Mags,
How would you know how happy or not NYers are. Have you ever been here? I am very happy where I live.
I have seen a lot of this country, being both a Navy brat and my hubby's job and I have to say, that I like most places I have seen, including "fly over" states. There is something different with them all that I enjoy
Where did I mention NY? OMG.....do I like NY? Well, glad you asked. I am dumbfounded to even to begin to tell you how much I love NY, My damn ashes will be taken to NY and at some point while my family is standing in front of the Plaza Hotel they will be released to the East to Broadway.
THAT is how much I love NY. Start spreading the news that I will be on Broadway one way or the other!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't even reply to your accusation about the South!
"The south has always been a lawless parto fthe world."
That's breathtakingly ignorant.
You got it right.
People making comments they know nothing about.
How dare him even compare the rural South with places like Detroit, Chicago, NY, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NO, Memphis, etc.
The rural South has minimal crime. It is the inner cities where people have nothing to do, but hang on the streets.
In my redneck part of the world, we hang out on the local pier; go shrimping, crabbing or fishing. We get together with family and friends doing some bar be cuing. We go to baseball, football and soccer games. We even sing the National Anthem while standing and we proudly say our Pledge.
Don't even begin to compare us.
you tell them!
Sorry but in comparison to the US national averages you do. NYC's crime is significantly higher by every metric.
That's fine if you accept it for what it is but don't try to sell it that crime isn't significantly worse there.
It clearly is.
Of course a "Labor" leader is going to Call T-Rump a "Moron"
It's in their blood they can't help it....
But yes I agree a stronger police presence is what is needed.
Get their butts out of the cars and from in front of their computer terminals and talking to actual people, in the real world, is the most effective policing of all.
Jeese Louise, What a concept!
I read the entire article and found that President Trump was correct in his assessment. The screechers and hand-wringers can be as indignant as they like but the facts remain.
I lived in a suburb of London eight years ago. You see, I married this U.K. person after being married to the love of my life. He stayed in England and I came back home and haven't seen him for six years. He is a film maker.
Nevertheless, it is a Muslim territory. Most shops are owned by them and England doesn't have post offices like we do. They are leased out to "shops" and these shops are, usually, owned by Muslims.
My son-in-law, a fine man, is Inspector with law enforcement in one of the largest areas in London. His wife is with the Pedophile Division. He is totally against his men carrying weapons, except, when confronted with a dire emergency. Makes no sense to me and we discussed it. He says it brings on intimidation and conflict.
But, then, again, they are antiquated in a lot of things, except, liberalism. Go outside of London into the countryside and it is a whole other world.
Mags,
Most of the shops are not owned by Muslims and there are government post offices. There are also small card and sweets shops that have tiny post office units, and these shops are own by mostly by Pakistani, Indians and Sikhs and have been since England once owned them.
When I was a girl, the bobbies never carried a gun. There really was no need to. Things have changed there since I was a girl and now they do.. but they do have a different mindset about guns than we do.
Excuse me, Perrie. Maybe, when you were a girl, but not now.
And, no, the police still don't carry weapons on the streets as a rule. My son-in-law should know since he is commander.
Post offices lease out space in shops.
here this recent article states that 90% of police in london do not carry guns..the police you see with guns are sort of like the UK swat teams..
I think she missed out on that even though she said it in her comment. LOL
We've had people running Post Offices in these small towns or outskirts of town ever since I was a child. The store up from where I grew up had what would be called a convenience store today and he had a Post Office at the back in the store. Maybe some confusion. I think you are talking about the areas you were familiar with and Perrie probably never frequented those areas.
Maybe, she didn't. I have no idea. But, I know that's the way I was when I lived in Middlesex, England. I wouldn't want to go back at that time ever. I was almost in "Da Vinci Code" movie while there. I wasn't because I got an infection on my thumb from cutting it while opening a wine bottle and the their damn healthcare people didn't help me. So, I came back home and had surgery two days later.
Mags,
I was just there a year ago to see my family and yes they do have post offices since I mailed Uppy a postcard from one. They also lease out small offices in candy and card shops.
And some police carry guns and others do not. My cousin works directly with the police in neighborhood watches.
i don't think there is much we can do about it either way..but to me it is sad to see such rich cultures such as the UK, france, germany and scandanavians being ripped apart by unchecked mass migration and the terrorism it has brought with them...
europe continues to be ruled by a handful of elites that care more about their bank accounts than their country.
Bravo~! Well said.
all of europe is committing suicide and letting in millions of muslims is indeed the reason..the experiment has failed, you cannot take people from a third world nation used to living 1000 yrs in the past and expect them to assimilate into modern society. muslims are taught from birth to hate anyone non-muslim, that it is permissible to rape and steal from them, indeed it is expected that you do so.. that will not not change simply because you change their geography..
Yes, and eye for an eye and a toe for a toe. We had to get past that part of the Bible. Let's hope more and more Muslims get past "Kill the Infidel!!!".
yes christianity had it's share of brutality but none of us really want to go back to burning people at the stake or the inquisition..it took a reformation and a majority of people speaking out against such practices including the clergy. i don't see anything of the sort happening with muslims.
They will never get past it.
And you won't see a Reformation happening within the muslim community. Even for those who try to promote a more conservative aspect of the religion, they remain anonymous for fear of being killed (apostates). It won't happen in our lifetime as long as muslim preachers continue to preach jihad and get away with it.