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Who Could Doubt the President's Obvious Faith?

  

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Via:  xxjefferson51  •  10 years ago  •  39 comments

Who Could Doubt the President's Obvious Faith?
The United States is being visited by Pope Francis, who is kind of a big deal in Christian circles. On the eve of that visit, some rube at a Trump rally offered the unforgivable viewpoint that the president is a Muslim. As if on cue, the Christian bona fides of President Obama were suddenly front and center, championed by every atheistic and/or secular media figure capable of reaching a camera or a microphone. This, apparently, is a significant part of their current job description. They serve and protect the president from scrutiny, and to smear and demean anyone who might express unflattering opinions based on their day to day observations. Actually exploring how such a question might arise in the first place, and whether there is any possible basis for suggesting that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Christian, is a fools errand.How do we know President Obama is a Christian? Because he told us so, thats how, and he never lies. Besides, theres no way hed say something to trick millions of people into a false sense of security, including about the faith he allegedly shares with them, while he attacks the fundamental building blocks of America, including Christian law, teachings and values. Is there? Of course not, dont be silly.Why, this is the president who told us that he believes marriage is between one man and one woman. How could anyone doubt his sincerity, especially after so many public declarations of his faith? He promised us just as certainly that he did not support gay marriage. He must have told us two dozen times, very publicly and persuasively, that if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor. And that there wouldnt be any infringement of Christians religious principles and practices imposed upon them by the Affordable Care Act. So America, get a grip. He isnt one of these anti-Christian haters who sics his attack dogs on people of faith, forcing them into court where he intends to have their religious rights vaporized before their very eyes, assuming the case lands in front of an ever-increasing number of secularized, anti-First Amendment liberal judges. Hed never do that because hes a Christian, too.In fact, hes just as Christian as the rest of his party. I recall watching the 2012 Democratic National Convention when they went out of their way to discuss God, and His place in their platform. And the way they talk about evangelicals, and those who still attend church. Such passion! Why, I recall that the Mayor of Houston was so consumed by Christianity that she sought the text of all the sermons being delivered in Houstons churches for some period, so she could read them in advance. Wow, you cant find that sort of investment in Christianity anywhere other than the left.Just as certainly, there is no way that this president would appropriate Christian principles to manipulate the opinions and actions of Christians concerning government usurpation of power over the individual. For instance, he would never twist teachings directed to saving an individuals soul into proclamations meant to confuse Christian charity with the governments misuse of public funds to advance an agenda. We all know that governments have souls, too, right? No misdirection here, folks, move along.Yes indeed, Barack Hussein Obama is all Christian, because he says so. Only if you were a radical would you question what appears to be a predominant tendency to engage in ceaseless fraud and deception, not purely Christian values, while furthering a vision of the United States in which the term freedom to worship has been urged to replace freedom of religion. Similarly, only a nut would question the presidents Christian chops by pointing to his inclination to associate with Marxists in high school, college and law school. Its probably just a coincidence that societies built on Marxism and Communism are atheistic, and at some point before assuming full power must crush organized religion in order to ensure that the all-powerful government has a dearth of competitors for the hopes or needs of its servants.Likewise, its probably simple bad timing that we have witnessed for almost seven years the presidents increasing tendency, and that of his party, to bring the power of government to bear on those who foolishly believe that their right to freely practice their religion extends to public life, including within any organization affiliated with government. Thus, we cannot hold the president accountable for the overtly anti-Christian policies which have been implemented among the branches of the military, for instance, over whom the president is commander in chief. Its not as if these are the presidents beliefs and preferences that are being brought to fruition by his surrogates and appointees within the executive branch, right? We know that if he got word of that, hes put a stop to it right away as a fellow Christian who cherishes his shared religious freedom.Why, only a kook could think that theres apparent hostility shown by the presidents administration toward people of the Christian faith, where such old-fashioned themes as patriotism, national pride, traditional marriage, gun ownership, and American Exceptionalism still reside. Or in the presidents unusually frequent granting of preferential treatment to those of faiths other than Christianity and Judaism. Ive noticed that Christians, who are being massacred for their faith in Syria and surrounding lands are pleading for refugee status in the United States, while Muslims who merely want to come in may do so in the tens of thousands, but thats probably not fair to the president. He probably doesnt know about all those fellow Christians being murdered, mutilated, and dismembered, because he skips so many daily security briefings.Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/09/who_could_doubt_the_presidents_obvious_faith.html#ixzz3mdBzQTZN Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

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XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Hes also probably unaware of the extent to which the massive influx of such migrants, who bring their culture with them, affects the non-Muslim communities into which the government implants them. He probably is unaware of whats going on in that regard in Europe, where communities, populated primarily by Christians, have been entirely destroyed by such forced assimilation. If youre a curious sort, look up Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. Or the one in Birmingham. Or Rochdale. Or consider the stories presently in the news about American military personnel being forced to keep quiet about brutal child rape encounters happening on American bases because to object would offend the abusers culture. Still, a Christian can simply overlook such things because we are warned that its not Christian to judge others, so I think the president and his people are probably just fine.When in doubt, simply remember this: Beware the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:15-16. It tells you all you need to know to identify Christians like the president and his protectors.
 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy    10 years ago

I have no doubt whatsoever that The President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, is a good Christian. There in no indication otherwise and absolutely no reason to believe otherwise. A person would have to be a complete class A asshole moron to believe he is not. Like a shithead who writes for American Thinker.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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Obama is a Christian, in name only.
 
 
 
Kavika
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link   Kavika     10 years ago

''Obama is a Christian, in name only.''

I guess that the same could be said of you XX.

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy    10 years ago

That's true. Being Christian is something one chooses to be, so all Christians are Christian in name only.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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link   Dean Moriarty    10 years ago

Coincidence?

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Randy
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link   Randy    10 years ago

The symbol of the United States Air Force offends you?

 
 
 
LynneA
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link   LynneA    10 years ago

XXJ,

Being of like faith, I wonder by whose authority you proclaim Obama is not a Christian. Whenever the question of ones "christianism" arises I defer to this from Luke:

Luke 16:15New International Version (NIV)

15He said to them, You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in Gods sight.

We're warned many times that only God can see the heart which is why we are not to judge or cast aspersions against our fellow man.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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link   Cerenkov    10 years ago
I have no evidence that would suggest to me that Obama is a "good" Christian beyond any doubt. And you don't either.
 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     10 years ago

Lynne, XX is no more a Christian than the moon is made of green cheese. He proves everyday with his posts that he is more of a Judas than a Christian.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     10 years ago

Cerenkov, I don't have any evidence that XX is a good Christian, and you don't either. That was the thrust of my comment.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago

Sorry, Kavika. I understand your comment, and frankly I don't care how good a Christian Obama is. I was responding to Randy's hyperbole: "I have no doubt whatsoever that... Obama, is a good Christian." His burden of proof appears to be negligible.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     10 years ago

No worries Cerenkov.

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

Kavika,

Your observation regarding XX notwithstanding, I believe his public views regarding President Obama cannot be reconciled to the scripture he so fervently posts.

Whether or not XX is a Christian is beyond my pay grade, but trust me the "boss" sees and is taking note of the message he puts forth. Smile.gif I'm just sorry the amount of space he occupies on NT doesn't show the love of Christ but often comes across as arrogant, haughty and self-righteous.

The hatred I observe from many conservative, evangelical Christians grieves my spirit.

 
 
 
CM
Freshman Silent
link   CM    10 years ago

Give me your definition of a good christian XXJefferson...I would like to hear your definition...

 
 
 
CM
Freshman Silent
link   CM    10 years ago

OR, Could be a sign of YAHWEH(God) showing he has a place in Heaven..but, of course your thoughts reveals something else..

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser    10 years ago

XX, in your hatred of Obama, you would find something to criticize him for, no matter what he did, or didn't do. If he ascended unto heaven in a flash of light, you would be critical-- "His light was so bright, he was trying to eclipse the sun." "He wasn't dressed nicely enough to meet his maker." "Why did he take so long?"

My point is this: Obama is a man. He has flaws and good points, and gray areas, just like every president this country has had since its inception. The only man who was perfect was Christ.

I feel quite sure that your Dr. Carson isn't any more Christ-like than anyone else. Why don't you lay off the hatred of Obama, and focus, instead, on what good qualities that your Dr. Carson has? I think you would be happier in life, in general.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
link   Kavika     10 years ago

''The hatred I observe from many conservative, evangelical Christians grieves my spirit.'' Sadly Lynne, you hit the nail on the head.

 
 
 
Dowser
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link   Dowser    10 years ago

Me, too, Lynne.

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

Dowser, I often wonder if we're the outliers orperhaps some of theprofessed faithfulneed to dig a little deeper in their bibles!

Hard to be the light when you're disparaging your fellow man, IMO :p

 
 
 
Randy
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link   Randy    10 years ago

And you don't either.

You are among the last people in the world that I feel any need to justify my opinions to. Your opinions are to me, useless. I still have no doubt that he is a good Christian and have no need to rationalize or justify it to the likes of you.

 
 
 
Petey Coober
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link   Petey Coober    10 years ago

I still have no doubt that he is a good Christian

Doesn't that imply that you hate his beliefs ?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Obama doesn't show Christian consideration for the beliefs, feelings, and values of other Christians who disagree with him in policy matters and issues. He's also quick to blame Christians for things 700 to 1000 years ago when Christians talk of Islam excesses in the present time.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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I have been primarily focusing on the pros and positives of Dr. Ben Carson lately.
 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

Is this your response to my questioning your stance of Obama's Christianity is in name only?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago
That's fine. I can't argue if you will not defend his position. He is no Christian.
 
 
 
Randy
Sophomore Quiet
link   Randy    10 years ago

Argue about what? I believe he is a good Christian. Why does that mean there should be an argument? You don't, so what is there to defend? Why are you always looking for an argument, disagreement or fight? Not very Christian of you, huh?

You see it that attitude of yours of always wanting to fight and be disagreeable that makes me say I don't have to justify my opinion to the likes of you.

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

XXJ,

A suggestion...

Before loading up the FP with more controversial articles, respond to those who took the time to post to the controversial articles you've already seeded.

Have a nice day.

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   Dowser    10 years ago

Not when you publish articles like this.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago

Yes. His faith is poll-based.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    10 years ago

In the case of Barack Obama i have heard him declare himself in early interviews as Muslim and later interviews as Christian. I think he's a politician and he is what you want him to be.

Ridiculous. The interview where you claim he says he is a Muslim is a deceptively edited fraud, and has been debunked as such for years and years.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    10 years ago

This, by the way, is a continuation of birtherism, which has been going on for 8 years now. You people should be ashamed.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago

<checks> Nope!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell    10 years ago

it doesn't bother me if you want to look like an idiot in the face of known facts

carry on if you want

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Name calling and personally attacking other members gains you nothing here.
 
 

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