All eyes will be on Singapore
On Tuesday, June 12th, formal talks will begin between the United States and North Korea (and others) in a historic meeting with world wide implications. The road to this meeting has been paved by way of some tough talk, strong sanctions and a very large military buildup in the Pacific by President Trump. South Korean President Park Geun-hye also played a role with a bit of outreach. These efforts have thus far proved fruitful as the North Korean dictator Kim Jung Un (most likely petrified that Trump means what he says) decided to ask for talks for the future of North Korea and more important for the future of his own regime.
The endgame: North Korea dismantles it's nuclear arsenal and North Korea gets security guarantees along with an end to economic sanctions. Another likely outcome of this meeting may be the change from an armistice signed in 1953 to a permanent peace treaty between North and South Korea.
North Korea has already stopped it's Nuclear testing and released some hostages as a show of good faith. On the US side there has been nothing given with stiff sanctions still in place. The US delegation is demanding " “complete, verifiable and irreversible" elimination of North Korea's nuclear weapons programs". This means that we can't be overly optimistic, the President has walked out once and if the North Koreans play any more games, this could be a very short summit meeting. In other words, this summit meeting will be the exact opposite of the Iran deal. The US gets it's demands met first - with real verification - then North Korea gets what it wants. There will be no pallets of money granted to North Korea, no end around of sanctions and no dodging of the Congress of the United States.
Of course the resistance movement is trying to avoid giving the President any credit for getting here. As a matter of fact they are trying to steal his thunder. Senate democrats had the audacity to send the President a letter suggesting what the President should get from the North Koreans! It would be laughable if it wasn't coming from the very people who were so silent when the store was given away during the "Iran Deal". Senator Lindsey Graham conceded the obvious Sunday morning: "I wish they had sent such a letter to President Obama regarding the Iranian nuclear efforts, but I embrace this letter,"
This will be the story of the week. The IG report on FBI misconduct and DACA deals in the House will all be page 2 news.
The stakes are that high.
Update - Tuesday, June 12: 5AM
Kim Jong Un and President Donald Trump sign agreement committing the US and North Korea to join efforts to "build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula."
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"We're meeting with the chairman on June 12 and I think it's probably going to be a very successful -- ultimately a successful process," Trump said.
Nice to see someone that really has an idea of what is going on. There are a couple of your points that I tend to disagree with.
Taking a step back and looking at things objectively Mr. Un could just as well be pleased that Trump has shown that he means what he says and will back it up with action. Something that we all have complained about numerous times with numerous Presidents has been the lack of these traits in the White House. Mr. Un should not be regarded as a dummy. He sees not only how Trump is behaving towards N.K. but also with some (many) of our allies that aren't playing it straight with us.
Perhaps not dodging, but there could be some heavy manipulation and some legal circumvention of Congress to prevent them from obstructing progress with politics as they so love to do.
Buzz is right. It isn't just Trump and it isn't just Un.
Nukes? A hot point for obvious reasons but in truth the removal of such from N.K. would be more symbolic than effective. China's nuclear arsenal covers the Korean Peninsula with plenty left over.
Trade? It is the E.U., the Commonwealth and a few other countries that should be petrified. Trump and Un are in a position to begin redrawing the map of world trade. Positive developments in relations between the U.S. and N.K. could well lead to better trade relations between the U.S. and China.
Consider what the effect of having two of the world's largest economies, both in production and consumption, developing amicable relations and compatible trade agreements around the globe.
The hot point now, there are sure to be others later. The erratic dictator is in North Korea and he has done a lot of saber rattling.
China's nuclear arsenal covers the Korean Peninsula with plenty left over.
China's leadership seems a bit more reasonable or should I say stable? China wants what? Stability on the Korean peninsula, I believe. So, I guess it's possible that this could be settled with all parties satisfied. I know it won't be quite as easy as it sounds. A lot will depend on the next 4 hours when the two leaders meet.
Consider what the effect of having two of the world's largest economies, both in production and consumption, developing amicable relations and compatible trade agreements around the globe.
It is a nice thought. Almost as pleasant a thought as where the US stood at the end of World War II.
Perhaps not dodging, but there could be some heavy manipulation and some legal circumvention of Congress to prevent them from obstructing progress with politics as they so love to do.
The President has already said he wants any agreement to be ratified by Congress as a Treaty. As I pointed out the politics on that has already begun, so ya, we both know what's coming
So the idiots waited 1-2 weeks before the summit thinking that they could have a seat at the table.
I remain cautiously optimistic that the summit will be a productive starting point. A lot hangs in the balance, so Kim Jung Un better not mess it up.
I, for one, do not expect anything substantially to come out of these talks. It's just the first round and the two of them are going to feel each other out. What I expect all we will get is an agreement to have further talks in the future. It won't be much more than a slow start. Of course the antiTrumpers will see anything but complete capitulation but Kim Jung Un as ND the annexing of NK as the 51st state as a failure
It figures to be a first step of talks that will take us through the November elections at the very least.
Of course the antiTrumpers will see anything but complete capitulation
Yup, remember when they thought this thing was off...then when Kim Jung Un discovered that Trump meant it when he said he would walk, came crawling back....then the left tried to tell us that the new meeting would not make the June 12th date, even Republicans doubted it - Trump said it would be on the 12th and here we are!
Unspoken here is the fact that, IMO at least, pressures brought by China has had much to do with Kim's present willingness to change his position. It hasn't ONLY been Trump.
I would add it's a willingness of SK too.
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True....Trump repeatedly threatened a preemptive strike and China was strangely silent. That helped. I'm sure there was more regarding sanctions which have crippled North Korea.
The Kim dynasty is a maniacal series of pissants and every former POTUS was correct to treat them as such. A tiny dictatorship with nukes is not worthy of US consternation. If they were to use them even once, they would quickly cease to exist entirely. Kim knows this better than anyone. It's instant suicide for his country, and he is milking Trump like the bloated heifer he is, to make NK look like a world player. Kim is a disease, just like Trump.
I agree. trump gave him what he wanted, legitimacy and the world stage.
What's wrong with that? What's wrong with him waking up and operating in the real world and having his country enjoy the benefits. There can be no good ending with NK continuing on this same paranoid saber rattling path. I'm sure he got some serious prodding from his big brother to the North. An eventually united Korea could at some point become a financial and manufacturing powerhouse. I can see where a lot of people don't want that to happen.
So you think that Kim is going to open the gates of the gulags and let the political prisoners free, to enjoy the country's new good fortune? Have you ever read a book written by a NK refugee? Women have babies in these prisons, only to see them immediately tossed into the community toilet to drown in the feces. It is by far the most hideous regime in the world.
Are you saying that these terrible practices should continue and no one can do anything about it? Should we just give up on NK and go home and mind our own business?
Trump reportedly won't address North Korea's human rights abuses in historic meeting with Kim Jong Un
Let me guess. Fake news? The party that is willing to upend democracy itself in its undying quest to overturn RvW, is willing to turn a blind eye to full birth abortion.
I wouldn't expect that in the first meeting, but I would bet that it will be brought up later.
It should be a main pillar of the first meeting, since it is far more consequential that the false narrative of NK possibly wanting to launch a suicide mission.
The dictator of NK will never give up power. As long as he is in control there will not be a united Korea.
I don't think congress is very willing to give up anything on NK. If trump makes a deal on his own, he will be doing the same thing that you all complained about Obama doing with Iran.
Iran is not NK. Not even close. Your obsession with dragging every mention of Trump into an ODS comment is noted, though.
Pulling out of a deal is not addressing any issues.
That is my point. What has been said or done with Iran? Absolutely nothing. When trump pulled out of the deal nothing has been said about it since, except to try to find fault with Obama. The same will happen with this (NK), nothing.
What do you see happening? The clouds will part and rays of sun will shine down and peace reign?
"Would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"
"I would," Obama said. "And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous."
Has nothing to do with what I said yet I find it funny that now people that hate Obama are going to use his words to try to justify things.
It has EVERYTHING to do with what you said:
"trump gave him what he wanted, legitimacy and the world stage." But we heard nothing from you when Obama said he would meet anyone! Now it gives legitimacy to dictators
No it doesn't.
The only leader from those listed I think Obama met with would be Cuba. And the right wing went completely nuts over it.
It was never a question of who Obama met with IT WAS ABOUT WHO OBAMA WAS OPEN TO MEETING _ AND HE SAID NORTH KOREA WOULD BE ONE!
So, you think its ok for Obama but no good for Trump - along with everything else Trump does
So SK got it going for trump out of fear that NK would be provoked into attacking them, sometimes good things come from bad. Trump true to his nature has pissed off the entire world except maybe Italy for the moment, he is popular like a jailhouse snitch, his handlers tolerate him as long as he serves their purpose yet I for one would not want Putin as the guard.
Obama never met with him so I do not understand you trying to make this false equivalency. Being honest, I did not agree with everything Obama did and all I see is projection. I have criticized Obama on occasion yet I have once to see the trump people do the same.
I will ask the same question I asked earlier. What do you think will come of this meeting? Do you think Un will give up any power? Do you think there will be reunification?
I see none of that happening anytime soon.
Obama said he would so it is a fair equivalency. You can dance all you want but You have faulted Trump for doing what Obama said was ok.
No more back and forth. I'll let the reader decide
Actually I find fault in it because, imo, it is an exercise in futility.
If it works out, great. I am not going to hold my breath.
That's just not reality. NK has nuclear weapons AND ICBMs to deliver them. That makes them a world player, and Trump didn't do that. The previous US presidents - and the rest of the Western world, really - are responsible for that state of affairs. Trump is trying fix their mess.
That makes them a world player
And what would happen to them if they used one? They would cease to exist, while the US would remain injured but intact. Kim knows this.
No one has stood up to Kim before and told him to fuck off. Trump got his attention with the "big stick" option. Look no further than prior to World War 2 Britain and France to see how well appeasement worked. I'm sure China provided a little urging him to shut up and make peace. Perhaps even his generals influenced this decision. Fat Boy is a lot of things, but he's not stupid.
No one has stood up to Kim before and told him to fuck off.
By ignoring their desire to be taken seriously, every former POTUS has done exactly that. Trump didn't even think about the answer when he was asked for a summit. It was a breathless, mindless, knee-jerk "yes!!!" He openly has admitted that he has not even prepared for this meeting. I cannot figure out, for the life of me, why you guys cannot see through this moron …. No value. Removed - PRF
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Kim seems rational to you?
Being rational and having basic common sense are two different things. If Kim were rational, he’d be the only rational one in the conversation.
You bet your ass they would. Now that Trump is president, that's a certainty. Do you really think Obama would have exterminated them? Hell no! Kim knows that, too!
Agreed. And the only reason why Trump agreed to the meeting in the long run is his hope to get the Nobel Peace prize to put a prestigious feather in his own cap. I still say that Trump will find an off the cuff reason to cut the meeting short and walk out mid meeting, such as, saying Kim was not being honest with him, as he has already declared he would do so. Trump not being honest with Kim is more of a likely event than the other way around, but, that won't stop Trump for putting the blame on Kim. Trump thinks that even if he does not succeed with the meeting he should still be nominated, and given, the Nobel prize as his ego craves adulation no matter how undeserved.
Even his own aides know that Trump is being a total clown and the world is laughing its ass off.
Just agreeing to meet with Kim is like when he called Putin to congratulate him on his "win". Everyone with half a brain told him to not do this, but he just couldn't stop himself from embarrassing our country. Trump's narcissism and constant need for flattery that matches his self adulation is the worst thing that has ever happened to our country's reputation in the world.
I’d consider what Snowden exposed regarding Obama’s domestic spying to be far worse than anything Trump has done.
I'm no fan of what has become of privacy in the US either, but that is a subject for another article.
Exactly. And the huge price America and its people will pay for his self adulation ego will be felt for years to come. I view Trump's Presidency as a test of the resilience and determination of the American people to maintain this country as a leader on the world platform, as the cleanup of the destruction after Trump will be enormous.
Is that the new narrative?
Do you hope he fails?
I don't need to hope anything. Either way, the US will fail.
Thanks for being honest
That is not the case but even if it was and he was awarded the peace prize he will have received it for a better and more deserving reason than Obama did.
I have asked that question several times .And asked several posters. To date I have not received an answer.
Communist propagandists have been saying that religiously for years. Like a private prayer.
If you're against Trump on this, I'd love to hear what you would prefer and why that would be better.
Trump has never brought up the Nobel Prize, but his supporters have, and that includes me. At least he's trying to do something about this problem. Obama got one for doing absolutely nothing.
Made you look it up, but do you want to see these talks succeed....or not?
Define success. This regime has a documented history of telling outright falsehoods to get what they want.
This is a country that consistently ranks highest in the world in terms of cyber warfare capabilities, which they have demonstrated with precision, despite the fact that virtually ALL of its citizens have never even had access to the internet. That is some serious testament to their devious character. And what does Trump do? He invites their top spy, the one who created their cyberwarfare program from scratch, into the Oval Office. This is also a guy who is responsible for the murder of dozens of South Koreans from a hostile launching of a torpedo on a South Korean warship, and hostile shelling of a South Korean island inhabited by civilians. What do you not get about the folly that Trump is walking himself into?
Remember what they told us the day he got elected - it was the end for the US! Now listen to them
Trump yet again taking credit. South Korea made the overtures because they were frightened that trump was going to provoke NK into a strike and guess who is next door. SK couldn't work the deal but like all good intermediaries they got the ball rolling, now bigly awesome that succeeded in alienating all of our friends is getting tight with yet another dictator, Putin is still his number one.
Trump gets credit - because it was North Korea who was so petrified, they came to the table
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Guess again, oops that is the fake news spin and you are buying it, is Hannity still with trump today?
Still only equals about half of yours for Obama.
Sorry dog, but Trump is the one responsible for getting this all going in the right direction. You can deny all day, but you can't change reality. Hillary was a hawk in her Republican days, and I bet she could have got Kimmy to the table also. The Dems would be singing her praises and recommend her for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Obama was unprepared, unqualified, inexperienced, and a unmitigated disaster as president.
Who's "they" ?
That's why he was elected twice.
Only in your narrow minded opinion. He also kept all official correspondence and didn't need a staff of tapers to repair torn up documentation for starters.
Explain why North Korea should do anything South Korea wants. I can explain why NK would bend to the US, though.
The US has several thousand nuclear weapons it can deliver anywhere in the world (by submarine, there is virtually no warning), and has been imposing crushing economic sanctions. What's more, Trump (unlike his predecessor) made it clear that he wasn't going to ignore NK and he wasn't going to be soft on them either.
I firmly believe those factors had a much stronger impact than SK pleading for mercy.
trump is the lap dog that was handed the opportunity to have one success too bad it was on the heels of alienating our friends and he even tried as promised to get Russia beck on the table, but then the world leaders would have to bring in tasters in case they stayed with their bag of tricks.
Trump gets credit - because it was North Korea who was so petrified, they came to the table
Wow, that comment is so stupid, that I won’t be surprised if Trump says it to Kim tomorrow.
We all know why he was elected twice. To bad it didn't work for that Hillaryious Hag Hillary.
NK is in dire financial straits any normalization with SK is to their benefit, next door neighbors, common language, the U.S is the strong arm. Why wouldn't they be interested.
Obama never needed to maintain an open channel to a news show talking head to make his decisions nor did he need to watch tv to know what was going on in the world.
North Korea is bending to the US?! Lol. Did Donald Trump ask for a meeting with Kim? No, he breathlessly accepted an offer for a meeting with Kim, with zero thought about it, and zero knowledge of US / NK / SK / China history.
Of course they're interested, but it's not because of any pressure brought to bear by South Korea. Heck, if that were the case, then the North would only be talking to the South. Instead, everyone understands that the really important conversations will be between NK and the US.
That's right. That's the fact, right there. North Korea ASKED for a meeting with Trump. That is them bending to the US. If the US were bending, we would have been the ones asking for the meeting. Trump put pressure on NK unlike anything they have seen since the armistice. They were forced to reach out.
See, that's just ignorant prejudice. You have no idea what Trump thinks of or what he knows, but you assume the worst because you've been trained to hate him. I'll bet he's done more business and negotiations in China and South Korea than you have. I expect he's going in with plenty of knowledge and even personal experience.
You do know that trump is addicted to faux and fiends and Hannity is an unofficial staff member, rumor has it that Melania is skipping these trips because she feels like a third wheel with trump and Hannity.
Who had the first meetings with NK, hint it wasn't connected to trump.
Omg. I don’t even need to respond to the inherent ignorance of that comment. In your fluffy world of rainbows and unicorns, Donald Trump could not possibly do wrong. Further, a regime with a history of requesting a meeting with every US President prior to the current idiot in chief (to no avail and for obvious reasons), is bending to said idiot’s will. You are laughable.
And uh, just what is it you think he's doing wrong with respect to North Korea? Should he not meet with North Korea? Because your teen idol Obama thought it was a GREAT idea! In fact he said he thought it was a "disgrace" not to. And yet he never did. Maybe because he ignored them instead of putting pressure on them.
actually, they are avatars of the lgbt community and not indicative of the "liberal left
every lesbian I know (4 ) is a conservative and they think liberals give them a bad name.
Lol! Well Normie, if it's all good so far, it's fair to say Trump cannot possibly do wrong in your eyes, ever.
Jeez ... can you READ? There’s a whole host of reasons what Trump is doing wrong about NK right here on this page. You are unreal.
that is some fresh meat just lying right there... LOL
care to re-word your claim that obama did not need to watch the news to know what was going on?
seriously... probably never a good idea to defend obama... as there actually is no defense for that POS
How does Hilary have anything to do with this thread ?
E.A Beautiful Yes Tomorrow is critical :-)
yepp...
just another reason why the lefts identity politics bs does not work as well as they'd like.
interestingly enough...
im sure that does not hold true across the board but my observations also stand on their own.. it is what it is.
fun fact...
having a party? choose wisely
Cheers
Thanks for saving me the time. You can tell when people are only following propagandist lines. It appears that many here supporting Obama don't even know anything about him or his Presidency.
try this
cheers
#1 Hey Vic, sorry about being off topic. The irony of the comment involved got to me.
Surf's Up, everything's cool dude. Like exposing that need to be exposed and undressing people who need to be undressed is Bonarooskie! Denigrating people in general doesn't fly in my sky. Which by the way, brings us back on topic.
They have met. My eyes were on it, were yours? What did you see? Were we looking at the same thing? Hopefully.
Two world leaders meeting for the first time. One a young man who inherited his power over a country created and built by the harshest methods of dictatorship. What sticks in my mind is that he inherited it, he didn't create it. Not an excuse for any of the things he has done, more like a possibility that he may want something better for his people.
Neither of these men are popular on the world scene, at least according to MSM which are at least half right this time.
These two men have the ability to change the world as we know it.
regardless how he got there - that is his only option where he gets to live.
most people would rather be remembered as the one who lifted their country up than one who kept it down and died as result.
a very simple fact.
trump would not have gone there if he did not already know the result.
the deal was made/ forced beforehand.
all the "maybes" and "ya never knows" part of the show.
we only saw the photo ops
and then?
the sit down and with signed agreement? explains why people think I am psychic
they did not create that document in 15mins...
and the show will go on.
Cheers
I most heartily agree that what we have seen agreed upon so far is the result of the hours put into it by the staff of both sides. Formalities are important though, especially when you consider that most people are more impressed by pictures than they are words.
Details? Not many nor should they be expected expected. Trump cannot allow our anti-anything involving him media to to try and influence these negotiations the same way they constantly deprive accused people of their rights to a fair trial by holding a public court with no sense of fair play.
Neither side has conceded anything new. Anybody paying attention for several weeks now knew that Kim was going to pledge to work toward de-nuking. No surprise, signing such a statement and making it official with the whole world watching at least gives his pledge more credibility.
No more war games with S.K.? They aren't really necessary and quite expensive. We don't to put on a show and flex our muscles anymore, Mr. Un knows how powerful we are. No new sanctions? At this point in time no new sanctions are needed.
The far left, the media and the Establishment are attempting to put a negative spin on these meetings. They really don't have much they can work with. I noticed this morning that they want to focus the attention of the public on the G7 Summit more than Korea.
What I hope happens soon is an actual peace treaty that officially ends the conflict between North and South Korea. The more tension we can relieve, the more progress we can make.
A whole host? Gee, that does sound like a lot. Perhaps you could copy and paste a few of them.
To the right wing dingbats, a good president is one with an (R) after his name, and a bad president is one with a (D), PERIOD. It does not matter one iota WHAT that president does. The reaction to Trump has made this perfectly clear. If a Democratic president had done EXACTLY what Trump has done, the Republicans AND the Democrats would be outraged, and the president would have been removed months ago, no matter who was controlling congress.
Democrats have basic integrity and Republicans do not, it's that simple. Democrats aren't blameless, but both sides are NOT equally to blame for the mess America is in, not even close.
Agree. If Obama had done even 1/8 of what trump has done and said, they would have wanted to drag him out of the White House in handcuffs.
Blind allegiance of party over country.
Common decency has been replaced by win at any cost. Morals thrown out the window.
The other side is always wrong, sick, corrupt, evil, etc.
They have embraced trumps bombastic demeanor.
bull shit
besides... the chance of obama lowering taxes, killing the tpp and paris agreement, deleting thousands upon thousands of regulations, fixing trade deals and putting our country first? = was zero
so even the thought of obama doing what trump has done is pure fantasy.
You are right. Obama had class.
So lowering taxes, the wealthy are happy, as far as everyone else, I don't see much difference. Well maybe there not being as much funds to pay for things.
Deleting thousands of regulations only puts our health at risk. Not only for ourselves but our rivers, streams, air, etc. Deregulating banks and lenders will only put us at greater risk for more crashes and bailouts.
What trade has been fixed? seems we are now in the middle of a trade war.
people are taking more home and services like electricity are passing the tax savings back to customers.
as for the "wealthy... just curious... have you ever gotten a long-term job opportunity from a poor person?
we have the best healthcare in the world. even people from europe and canada come here for surgery.
our technology currently has our air and water doing fairly well
trump is not going to bail out any banks... he hates banks. but he might end the federal reserve (think 2nd term agenda)
we have been in a trade war our whole lives... guess what? we have been losing badly since the mid 70's. and now? that is going to change
Regular people have not seen that much on paychecks. And now I guess I need to talk to my utility companies because I have seen zero reduction. As far as rich people making jobs? Every job I have had have been for smaller business owners. Not exactly the elite. That talking point is tired.
For healthcare, that is subjective. I guess it is really good if one can afford the best.
Our air and water have been doing pretty well because of regulations.
Next, trump probably hates banks because after his multiple bankruptcies, some refused to lend to him. So you think he will actually do away with the federal reserve? This is a new one on me.
Trade wars for the better? Yeah, ok.
seen the president in the portrait behind trumps desk?
Good luck with that. Don't think he could unilaterally do it...
Funny though. Wanting to get rid of a federal banking system yet deregulate banks at the same time...
I agree.
I think trump has focused more on killing regulations that hold back "business" and yes it is unfortunate "business" includes the banksters but nothing can be done about that now.
One place we disagree. Banks do not have to be deregulated in order for smaller business to survive.
IMO, it will hurt small business more as it will be easier for the larger business to make a monopoly.
It did not have to be done.
the thousands of regulations I said trump deleted had nothing to do with banks. and they are still deleting the regulations I speak of.
If I remember correctly at the rate of two deleted for every one created
I know there has been talk about bank deregulation but can not find any action on the subject... agreed it is late and I might have missed something.
hook me up with a link to an article about how trump has deregulated banks - if you would be so kind.
thanks
Then what deregulation are you speaking of?
That listed nothing.
We're you able to write that and keep a straight face. I couldn't when I read it and now my sides hurt from laughter.
I do hope the talks are successful. I detest trump, he is a POS, but I do want the talks to be successful. A few facts....
1) NK will not give up their nukes, or their nuke program. Not ever going to happen.
2) If these talks are even remotely successful, trump will take full credit and will likely say, "[insert hyperbole/bs statement here], I think, are the greatest in history".
3) If the talks fail, trump will blame everyone except himself.
Of course not, Kim knows that this is the only card he has to play.
Of course he will, he is Trump.
Refer to my answer in number 2.
people judge others as they judge themselves.
you do understand you described obama perfectly right?
cheers
Well, that explains a lot about Trump.
Ummm, I didn't write that part of the comment, that was someone else, however, I'd like you to show me a direct quote from Obama were he blamed everyone else for anything he did.
without obama.. trump would not have been possible... ha
but seriously...
here is the link your looking for
enjoy
Thanks.