When You Get Death Wishes for Sharing Biblical Truth With Love
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Just when I thought things had calmed down with the LGBT attack on our “Can You Be Gay and Christian?” video, we were flooded with a fresh deluge of hate-filled, profane, and vile comments, including winners like this: “Burn this guy at the stake or do whatever yall want i dont give a d**n. Just make sure he suffers before he dies. okay? Okay.” Where did this new attack come from?
Well, it turns out that another gay vlogger with a large following played a lot of the video on his channel (that’s another way to get the message out!). In response, his followers came flocking to our video to give it a thumbs down and to attack it — and me.
Now, remember, according to the PC narrative, we’re the haters and those who oppose us are the voice of tolerance. And let’s also remember that I have always denounced those who speak hatefully of LGBT’s, differing with those who call them names and want to put gays to death.
In fact, within the last 24 hours, I was attacked for rebuking a radical-right pastor who rejoices when gays are killed. In response to my stand, a man named Tylah wrote, this pastor “may be a cult leader but I’d rather a somewhat Biblical cult than a fa**ot pervert like ‘DR’ Brown defending his [expletive] buddies.”
In other words, because I speak the truth in love, I’m perceived as weak — as partnering with the homosexual community. As a pervert myself.
You would think, then, that our tolerant LGBT friends would appreciate my approach. You would think they would say, “Well, we disagree with this guy, but we appreciate his attempts to reach out with love.”
Not a chance! To them, I’m a homophobe of the worst kind, a destroyer of lives, probably a closeted homosexual myself.
A Sample of the Comments We’ve Received
Here are some of their recent choice comments in response to our video (and remember, these are only the ones we can print; many of them are just a series of expletives):
Hateful human being. When someone wants to take other people’s rights or freedoms because of their own beliefs they go against EVERYTHING this country AND the Bible stand for. I saw your commercial on YouTube. Disgusting and packed full of lies and fear mongering. Your “breed” is becoming extinct THANK GOD!!!
I cant wait to hear the news on when he 1. Gets caught getting [expletive] by a male [expletive] 2. Dies.
No one has ever said this [expletive]. Stop cherry picking your religion and shut the [expletive] up.
See you in hell you [expletive] fa**ot.
Wow homophobic and sexist, is he racist too? At that point that wouldn’t surprise me. 2018 and the young generation’s open minds must be hard for [expletives] like him.
evangelical christians die challenge. get your old [expletive] to that “heaven” you talk about so much.
If you find religion to be any level of “education,” you are tragically retarded. May Satan bless your [expletive] old man.
he says this like he doesn’t rape the young boys that go to his church
The reality is that in the midst of this anger I see a lot of pain. It is the pain of those who have suffered rejection. The pain of those who are still hurting on the inside.
Yes — this is the voice of tolerance, the voice of love, the voice of diversity, the voice of inclusion. And we who say God’s ways are best are the intolerant haters. All clear!
As for those who call themselves Christians, there were choice comments like this: “It’s just a frickinn book written by some people 2000 years ago get over it. (I’m christian)”
Oh yes, quite the Christian view of Scripture!
And this: “I’m a pansexual Christian.”
But of course! You can have sex with whoever you want and be a Christian. Obviously!
God’s Truth Will Triumph
The reality is that in the midst of this anger I see a lot of pain. It is the pain of those who have suffered rejection. The pain of those who are still hurting on the inside. (Dare I say they are still hurting because something is not right between them and God?)
So, I feel no anger towards them at all. Instead, their angry posts and comments only remind me to pray for them to discover God’s transforming love.
We know that in the end, God’s truth will triumph. But right now, we’re in a pitched battle for the soul of our nation.
But to the extent we stand with Jesus and His Word, we will be maligned and hated and rejected, just as He was. He told us to expect this. (See Matt 5:10-12; 10:23-25; John 15:18-21.)
So, let’s fight back by: 1) Praying for the salvation and transformation of those who identify as LGBT; 2) educating ourselves on the scriptural and cultural issues; 3) standing up and speaking the truth in love, without compromise; 4) sharing our video (and giving it a thumbs up too!).
We know that in the end, God’s truth will triumph. But right now, we’re in a pitched battle for the soul of our nation. This it not a time for the faint of heart!
Let’s move forward, not backward, not ashamed of the gospel and not ashamed of our convictions. As we do, Jesus will not be ashamed of us.
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The reality is that in the midst of this anger I see a lot of pain. It is the pain of those who have suffered rejection. The pain of those who are still hurting on the inside. (Dare I say they are still hurting because something is not right between them and God?)
So, I feel no anger towards them at all. Instead, their angry posts and comments only remind me to pray for them to discover God’s transforming love.
But to the extent we stand with Jesus and His Word, we will be maligned and hated and rejected, just as He was. He told us to expect this.
So, let’s fight back by: 1) Praying for the salvation and transformation of those who identify as LGBT; 2) educating ourselves on the scriptural and cultural issues; 3) standing up and speaking the truth in love, without compromise; 4) sharing our video (and giving it a thumbs up too!).
We know that in the end, God’s truth will triumph. But right now, we’re in a pitched battle for the soul of our nation. This it not a time for the faint of heart!
Let’s move forward, not backward, not ashamed of the gospel and not ashamed of our convictions. As we do, Jesus will not be ashamed of us. https://askdrbrown.org/library/when-you-get-death-wishes-sharing-biblical-truth-love
It must be tough to be a bible-babbling extremist these days when you get condemned for something so minor and trivial as preaching hatred of gays and calling it "love." It's almost as bad as a little while back when everyone was ridiculing the racist and antisemitic Southern Baptists who were merely preaching biblical truth.
You can say whatever you want. it's still nonsense either way.
perhaps you should start by proving there's a god first!
Typical persecution complex.
Why? What's wrong with them?
Maybve a real education with actual relevant knowledge and information would be more beneficial.
Some prefer actual facts over your idea of "truth."
Nah.
He is.
The pastor who attacked Dr. Brown for his video and for his dealing with disagreements with LGBTQ in a spirit of love ❤️ and peaceful ✌️ civil discourse is likely as you describe much like that group that protests at military funerals over the gay issue.
Oops!.........sounds like you just admitted that Brown has the same views as the Westboro hate group.
Is Brown an ordained Southern Baptist like Fred Phelps was?
Keep your silly religious fantasies to yourself because others do not need to be death-wished by bronze-age mythology. Anybody who wants to learn about Christianity in the US already has multiple resources at their disposal because many people will give you a free bible, you can watch church on TV or you can watch 30,000 hours of Christian YouTube videos.
Can I knock on your door at 9:00am on Saturday telling you about the wonders of Pastafarianism?
HA has inspired me to become a lot more proactive in the battle against neighborhood religious solicitation.
How would an internet topical discussion site motivate you to target other human beings for abuse and vandalism of their property/transportation?
Maybe that cult leader shouldn't be posting his hate speech on a public site like Youtube?
I also wonder if his hate speech violated Youtube's terms of service. Has anyone reported his video yet? I know that Youtube, FB and similar sites have been canceling the accounts of neo-Nazis and others who post that kind of crap.
Your avatar says it all.
Watching them wade hip deep into a pond of duck shit soup to retrieve their bikes back was more comical than being cited for trespassing this time. Think of it as a grassroots effort by concerned local citizens to deal with those that have no respect for the law.
I’m glad you like it. It throws the hate of the Trump haters right back in their face where it belongs.
I moved their bikes to the illegal solicitor bike parking spot. They found them, but their walmart slacks needed to go in a washing machine when they got back to missionary central.
I would have let the air out of their tires. It's a subtle message.
Because vandalism of others property is always a valid tool in the secular progressives war against their domestic opposition be it political or religious.
Quite the sweeping generalization there.
Do you check under the bed and in the closet for Humanists and secular progressives before you go to sleep?
Letting the air out of bike tires does not rise to the level of vandalism.
Maybe religious missionaries could respect the privacy and property of others and stop harassing them as a way of gaining new recruits for a dying idea. I've never heard of Humanists or your feared secular progressives knocking on doors to get recruits. Most modern people gain recruits via spam email or YouTube videos in the 21st century. Even robocalling is less annoying than some dipstick pounding on the door and leaving their printed idiocy in my mailbox.
Which is a Federal offense. Only mail from the US postal service is allowed to be deposited in people's mail box.
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The next time someone leaves religious materials in your mail box, leave it there and call your local post office and file a complaint. They will have someone come out and investigate. I don't think that will happen again once the church officials have been notified by the US postal Service. It is a Federal offense. And just because they are a church does not mean they will not be fined.
BTDT. It works.
I throw it in the recycling cart when it happens on almost a monthly basis.
The JW's used to come to my house once a week, even after I told them I as not interested. It was the same people each time. So I stopped answering the door when the came and they started leaving their literature in my mail box. So after the 5th or 6th time, I called the local post office and told them about it. They sent out an inspector on the day that the JW's usually came and watched as they put their literature in my mail box. He had filmed them so he ha them red handed. The person who put the literature in my mail box was fined and told if they did it again they would be put in jail. I never saw the JW's at my house again.
How rude of some people.
Good for you. it seems that's the only way they can take a hint.
They knowingly broke the law by soliciting in a complex clearly posted No Soliciting. I didn't have time to wait for the cops to show up, so I picked up their bikes and walked 50 feet to the duck pond and tossed them in. I did them a favor. Complex has been thumper free for over 2 weeks now. I'm driving over their bikes the next time it happens.
Did someone force you to open a seed in the religion section? Did I knock on your phone or computer and force you to read it? And here you are following me around from the politics and news to religion complaining that this was somehow imposed upon you and you feel a need to engage in content control as to what can appear in the religion section. There was enough social conservative content that it could have been in news and politics.
I'm weirdly attracted to rainbow flags so I followed the breadcrumb trail to you.
Maybe you should make a private group so you can post your homophobic crap without criticism? You can even name it "God's Echo Chamber" to prove that your odious views have the blessing of your sky fairy.
Did someone force you to post an article in the religion section where anyone can see and read it?
What would be the point of seeding anything on any topic where no one can see it? That’s silly. Besides, neither the article author nor I are homophobic. That’s nothing more than a bigoted personal attack when directed my way.
Off Topic "BF"
I’m not the topic of the seed. Stay on topic which is opposing a lifestyle with love despite the hate coming from those engaged in it and the militants for and against it.
You made the previous claim, so I am permitted to discuss it further. Don't bring it up if you don't want it discussed.
How do you oppose LGBT rights with love when one of the major ideas is the denial of equal service? Did you also support slavery and racism with love?
LGBT people are fighting bigots for their equal rights, just as women and black/interracial Americans did before them.
Wanna bet? Adapt or perish.
He has a private Holy Roller echo chamber group here - and boy is it private! Anyone can join, but nobody ever, ever participates. That’s why he assaults the rest of NT by putting it here.
Then why are you complaining when someone comments on the topic?
So you fully support LGBT rights then, including equality and anti-discrimination?
I have no problem exposing the hatred, lack of tolerance, and bigotry of many in the LGTBQ “community”.
Some of us have no problem doing the same of the religious community.
Skirting the CoC "BF"
Discuss the seed not other members.
criticism is one thing. Telling a falsehood about having something forced down their throat or imposed upon them against their will is the real issue here. The seed is in the religion section and no one was forced or coerced to go there much less open, read, or respond to a word of it. To them it’s about censorship, content control, thought policing, and a desire to prevent the free expression of ideas that they don’t want to be exposed to or see others freely discuss. The whole “proselytizing” and “sweeping generalization bans were born of such control freakery to ban and hide speech that they don’t like.
And yet the comments you made in the thread get posted on the front page because it's not a private group. So if you don't want your nutty and homophobic seeds to be criticized all you have to do is post them in a private group, but if you post them where they'll be seen by everyone then you should expect that you'll get the same treatment any other hater would get. And shouldn't you be proud of your vile views just like Lester Maddox was?
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A rather ironic comment since you don't want anyone criticizing your nutty and homophobic seeds.
E.A To reduce misconceptions I recommend returning to the PROPER use of Language and WORDs::
Homo - Self
Phobia - Fear
Homophobia - Fear of what one IS
Now on the Other hand fear of The Actions or Lifestyle of someone else does not fall under the Meaning of that word, get one that does!
Why should anyone tolerate bigotry and the denial of equal rights? 60 years ago conservative relgious belief would have claimed that we should tolerate racism because the races are to be kept separate.
How does a wedding cake for a heterosexual wedding differ from an LGBT wedding cake, if they were beside each other?
Where in the Bible does Jesus teach discrimination, if he is your savior and the son of God?
E.A WOW so this so called " Freedom Lover " does not want others on the " Front Page " amazing, Perrie you reading THIS?
Sounds like you struggle with English comprehension.
Sounds like you struggle with English comprehension.
So if you don't want your nutty and homophobic seeds to be criticized all you have to do is post them in a private group,
E.A Yes Someone does indeed::
So any one that says something that this " HATE " Group does NOT like can not be in the " Front Page " but can be hidden in the " Back Streets " of like the other words used was/is " In the Closet " where they and ANY one else can not see it!!!
So Once a HATE Group Always a …..
So either you don't understand plain English or you don't understand that it's HA's choice of where to post his bigoted crap. I'm not telling him what to do but since he doesn't like his nutty and homophobic seeds to be criticized then he has a means to accomplish that. That's exactly what echo chambers and private groups are for.
It's funny that you're whining to me about his failure to make the responsible choice.
E.A Yes like the " Black " telling Newspaper Owners of THEIR mistreatment, and the Likes of you saying " Not on the Front Page " but we will put in on Page 64, well Done!!!
Why should you be allowed to preach at people when it disgusts us?
Indeed
I see the anti-Christian bigots are brim full of hate here.all you have to do is bring the Bible or obeying Christ and they are besides themselves with hate
Your own anti-LGBT views are very well known, Larry, as is your desire to unconstitutionally use the secular state to enforce Christian sharia laws against gays much in the same way that similar Christian sharia laws were once enforced against women and black folks.
It’s interesting your obsession with lying, especially about others
as I repeatedly challenge your lies, cite for us a single teaching from Jesus or the Apostles to establish ANY civil laws
There is NO such thing as “Christian Sharia law”. Sharia exists ONLY in Islam
i have never advocated a single type of bigotry against Constitutional rights. There is no authority in the Constitution to sanction marriage nor should the government have ANY involvement in marriage or divorce
there is not a single teaching by Jesus or the Apostles to make laws supporting slavery or unequal treatment of women
Those are very odd claims since you admitted that you voted for Prop h8 in order to deny gays the civil rights you enjoy, and admitted that you voted in order to use the state to enforce your twisted morality. Here's what you said:
So we can see that you were indeed trying to use the secular state to unconstitutionally enforce the sharia laws of your twisted sect. Your vote was just as vile and unethical as the southern Christian extremists who voted to deny mixed-race couples the right to marry. It's a very good thing that both you and those racist morons lost in court otherwise America would be even more like Saudi Arabia where superstition rules.
Well said. You are of course 100% correct.
How many times have you used this boilerplate reply today, to bump your thread back to the top of the tracker......?
and yet your questioning of my prior replies bumps up my seed. Thanks!
Thank you for admitting that you are only interested in bumping your threads back to the tracker, instead of having a rational, intellectual discussion.
your 4.1.5 comment is what bumped your 3 day old seed. you do it all the time. seeds all have life spans yet you constantly try to resuscitate them. Waste of bandwidth.
And that’s the way it is in today’s secular progressive humanist version of America.
Humanist are likely less than 1% of the population because not all atheists or agnostics are Humanists. Most people don't know that humanists even exist.
the term secular humanist has been around for some time and while it would be great if they were less than 1% of the population, I don’t believe that to be the case.
How have humanists ever harmed you?
What is your problem with secualr humanists? Do you think that we are plotting against you?
It's not anti-Christian to want you and HA to stop preaching at people who don't welcome it
And yet you stopped to listen... You went to a religion topic seed. You opened it, you read it, you replied to it. No one forced anyone to do any of the above. So no one preached to you. It’s like you criticizing a cable provider for providing a couple of religious channels in their options and then tuning in and griping about the content being crammed down their throat.
If it's on the front page I have the right to criticize the content and the seeder.
from the seeded link:
well this reeks of the "victim card" so it's no surprise as to the reasons for seeding it.
Next, no one would really have a problem if the religious only "said" it and not tried to enforce it through secular laws, didn't knock on people's doors constantly in an effort to recruit, didn't constantly condemn (or worse) anyone who doesn't believe or worship in the same manner as they do, didn't try to prevent the LGBT community from enjoying the secular legal civil right of Marriage and didn't try to reverse the SCOTUS decision on the matter etc.
Basically, i don't think anyone would really have an issue if the religious just left everyone else alone, but that seems to be a problem with them and they blame their God stating it commands they constantly interfere into everyone's lives and try to control their lives for them. Maybe the religious should consider stopping putting in such an effort to control everyone else
In other words there would be no problems if we just would deny our own liberty, shut up, never express our beliefs or values and ignore our great commission.
When thumpers overstep the boundaries of free speech, I reserve the right to overstep the boundaries of freedom of expression.
do you ever run out of "victim cards" ? I didn't say the religious should "deny their own liberty, shut up, never express your beliefs or values and ignore your great commission" - you can talk all day long about being a religious person no matter which God/Goddess you follow without trying to legislate your religious beliefs into our country's secular laws, without banging on everyone's door trying to recruit them into your favorite house of worship for your sect, without condemning (or worse) anyone who doesn't believe or worship in the same manner as you do,without trying to prevent the LGBT community from enjoying the secular legal civil right of Marriage and not trying to reverse the SCOTUS decision on the matter etc. You can talk all day long about being religious without constantly interfering into everyone's lives and trying to control their lives for them. You can talk all day long about being religious without putting in such an effort trying to control everyone else.
do you understand now or do you need a further explanation put into simpler and easier to understand terms ?
Ask your HOA, not me.
I’m not wealthy enough to own a home within the boundaries of a HOA. Here every individual home owner can put up whatever property sign they want. How does a HOA rule impact visitors who don’t live there?
I would never own a home with a HOA because most of them are populated by 2nd rate fascists who have their seat only because couldn't get elected to city council or the school board. As a builder we have had many problems with HOAs or historic building commissions when building new or remodeling. There is one area that we finally said that we would not work in because of the actions of the historic building commision. We could comply with all of their demands one week and they would come back and claim that we were in violation by the time the project is 1/2 finished. They are just not worth the trouble much of the time.
Then there's the issue with HOA fees, which are just a waste of money.
Well I bought my house in 1996 and will have it paid off if all goes well in 2025/26 and retire in June 2027. My plan is to go into retirement with no debt/ mortgage or rent payments, a decent car and enough for a rainy day fund for trips, car and home repairs, maybe another above ground pool and another used ski boat, some out of pocket medical and an annuity from my IRA’s to supplement my social security and leave one Roth IRA , a life insurance policy along with the house to the family. If all goes well I’ll be hauled out of this house in a bag in some 30-40 years or rise alive to meet my maker there if the 2nd coming precedes that.
Your plan sounds similar to anyone else's plan for retirement. Except for that 2nd coming nonsense. That's not going to happen.
I’m sure all hope for that. Not all act on their plan. Some get sick or laid off before the plan can fully take place. I’m doing the first part and praying the other two don’t happen in the next almost 9 years. As for the 2nd coming, no man knows when but we know it will. It will be the proof you seek that He is real.
No, you only believe the 2nd coming will happen. You don't "know." And belief does not equal fact.
Can I have your stuff when you leave?
Sure. Why would we care
No. When we leave the earth won’t be recognizable compared to what it was. Only Satan and his angels will be alive on the earth. No one and nothing will survive the trauma and upheaval the earth goes through once the saved dead are resurrected and rise up followed by His then living believers rising up. Thus why to never believe any false Christ before then who sets foot on this earth. He won’t at the 2nd coming. Then there will be two feasts. One in Heaven with God, Jesus, and all the saved, the other that of the birds here on earth. Those engaged in the severe hunting and persecution of believers at the end who will have us almost in their grasp at the moment of the 2nd coming will be the feast of the birds. Otherwise, I’d be happy to share my earthly possessions with you when I’m in heaven. I’d really prefer all to be there with me and all the rest of the redeemed. That’s what God wants for all of us too if only we are willing....
Sounds like something lifted straight out of the Left Behind novels. Amusing fiction to be sure.
Hardly amusing. If you are alive during that time, amusing is not a word that will be in your vocabulary
Sounds like the earth will be a true paradise without all the nutty bible-babblers and we can finally fix things like climate change and get a good EPA administrator. We might even solve the mystery of disappearing socks in the laundry!
You seem to confuse fiction with non-fiction.
Would that be similar to the worldwide migration to Noah's ark before the flood?
Please leave your keys, PINS and important financial documents where we can find them. I'll feed and water the cat, but I'm not mowing the lawn.
No! Left behind is terribly wrong. There is no secret rapture, the second coming is final. No additional chances. No one will be left behind alive with another chance at salvation. The righteous and the wicked will both be here through the tribulation. When Jesus does come, every eye shall see him and there will be no mistaking what is happening. By then every living person will have heard the message of salvation through Christ alone and everyone will have made their final decision. Probation closes just before the 2nd coming when God is certain that no mind will change. Then the plagues happen and for the non saved the 2nd coming is the final plague that none will survive.
What makes your beliefs about it any more valid or true than someone else's? They're both equally ludicrous.
Sounds like a poorly written 1950s Sci-fi movie. The Blob had a much better script.
The deniers of the 2nd coming will be present right to the moment it happens. People will believe or they will not. Everyone has a free will choice to believe or not.
here we go again -- just wait... keep waiting... wait a little longer.... wait some more... same thing they've been saying for over 200 years and they still believe it ... just wait...... wait some more.... c'mon ! keep waiting ! ... you can do it ! wait some more !
How can the 2nd coming possibly happen when the first coming was a plagiarized myth?
Only in that people then also rejected the warning by Noah to repent
Nonsense. It’s as real as you or me. You will at the moment you die become painfully aware of this truth
The great flood is an obvious myth that could not occur. It likely refers to a historic flood in the Tigris/Euphrates valley from 3000 BCE.
If the entire world flooded to 40' feet where could the water drain away to? Obviously, the atmosphere was already saturated.
Your religious beliefs do not constitute fact.
The Hindus and Buddhists claim that we will be reincarnated, so can you empirically prove that they are wrong and you are correct?
It was very poorly written fiction but amusing in its stupidity
I won’t have time to organize. I’ll be leaving in less than a second with no advance notice
i don’t have a cat or a lawn
The Buddha was unsure if there is even a God, so hardly a reliabl person.
the evidence is substantial to the person willing or objectively look at the evidence. But those like yourself will only be convinced when you die and are confronted with the reality of God
i have no problem with it being either local or global as consistent with the Hebrew text
either way the warning was just as real
The Buddha was adamant that he wasn't a god to be worshipped. He taught that he is merely a guide (Bodashittva) to reach enlightenment.
When I die I will be worm food and there is no proof otherwise. Your religious belief is the opposite of proof.
Be sure to keep your home safe in a place that we can find it. If you have a safety deposit box then put the key in the safe.
If the biblical flood localized in the Tigris valley was a sign from God then was the Mississippi River flood of 1993 also a sign from your god? Who was supposed to built that Ark?
Why would your God need to gather animals from all of the world and commit genocide if it was only localized to a river valley in Iraq? The Egyptian, Indus valley, and Chinese civilizations, among many others, were unaware of that regional flood, so obviously they didn't get the message from your God.
I am by-passing the worm food part, going straight to the ashes part. Then I will fertilize someones weed patch. (grin)
Maybe you should mail me a set of keys now just in case? I promise not to take your stuff until after you're gone.
of course that makes no sense since God (supposedly) created everything - logically you would think that God could easily just recreate all the animals and there'd be no need for the ark or gathering of the animals. I guess God is lazy ? or is this one of those "God works in mysterious ways" things again ?
They must have just died and been recreated without ever knowing it, i guess ?
You cannot claim to be a Christian and believe the Bible to be the word of God and deny the rapture.
it is clearly outlined in multiple passages. I’ve taught and preached onEschatology (last things) for over 35 years. The promise of the Rapture is a certain a promise as the promise of salvation by grace through faith
I don’t have a home safe. I long ago gave up the riches of the world to serve Jesus
That's the thing, some of us don't go by mere belief. Some of us prefer facts and evidence.
If there was a god, there would be no such thing as free will. BTW, do you plan on answering my question, or are you going to dodge it yet again?
Which might have meant something had the Flood actually happened.
That's nice. prove it!
Funny how one becomes 'aware" as soon as their brain and central nervous system shuts down.
You can' even prove there's a god, so that makes you hardly reliable (as in not at all) as well.
What "evidence" would that be? be specific!
Yeah, some of us prefer actual evidence or proof over mere belief and delusion.
No True Scotsman fallacy. The rapture is not agreed upon by every Christian denomination. What makes you right and they wrong?
Funny how many different interpretations of the bible one can come up with.
When it comes to issues like the Biblical flood during the time of Noah, I’m personally satisfied that Jesus said it happened. The older I get the less I care about things I consider non essential. For me, essential is loving God with all my heart, and that my life and service for Him in proclaiming Jesus the Christ and the kingdom of God in word and deed is pleasing to Him.
So while I might have been more intellectually curious about this and similar subjects when I was younger, they no longer seem important. That said I have resources when posed with questions like yours and I’ll let their detailed explanation of the subject form my response
Claiming to be a Christian while not accepting the whole word of God means you aren’t actually a Christian because you begin with the premise that Jesus is a liar or shouldn’t be obeyed
John 8:31 (amplified Bible)
So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples.
Matthew 7:24-27 (Message Translation)
“These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit—but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock.
“But if you just use my words in Bible studies and don’t work them into your life, you are like a stupid carpenter who built his house on the sandy beach. When a storm rolled in and the waves came up, it collapsed like a house of cards.”
Who are you to say who is a Christian or not? Not every denomination or believer shares your view.
Too bad actual evidence discredits that fable.
I've come to the conclusion that HA has no interest in a rational discussion with someone of differing opinions. His posting style is that of as forum pigeon. He makes a statement and flies away, never to return to the same discussion.
Of course not, because differing opinions only proves how weak his arguments really are or how wrong he really is on various topics.
We've seen that many times before.
We’ve had this argument multiple times. My answer remains the same
the first evidence is the earth which defies statistical probability (scientists put it at 700 quintillion to one). Only irrational thinking ignores or rationalizes away this fact
the second evidence is Jesus who is God appearing to mankind in a body of flesh.
Simon Greenleaf who is the father of the rules of evidence in this country and a former atheist reached this conclusion based upon a challenge from his students at Harvard
I hold little hope that someone like yourself dedicated to rejecting God will ever change your irrational views, but I pray it happens
We do not know enough about the universe at this time to make a definitive statement that life is not the default mode given a handful of parameters.
There is no proof that the biblical Jesus ever lived. There are multiple prior myths about a dying and rising savior born of a virgin birth that predates Christianity. We have no empirical proof that Jesus as the son of God ever existed that do not require a person to ignore logic and reason.
That's why he doesn't want to post his homophobic crap in a private group.
How can you reject what has no proof of existing?
Why do you reject Thor, Vishnu, Ra, Hormuz, Zeus and Venus?
You preach scatology? No surprise.
There are counterfeits created by the great deceiver of just about everything that is Gods plan for our salvation. Including fakes before the true event happens. Satan impersonating Jesus return to earth just before the end of time here wil be the final such deception.
And you've been wrong multiple times too.
I guess you're going to be wrong one more time then.
Who made up that statistical probability? Considering the sheer vastness of the universe, the existence of other earth-like planets is a statistical probability.
What fact? That's just mere conjecture.
There is no evidence to suggest jesus was god, or that there even is a god. That's just dogmatic belief. Belief does not equal fact.
You're trying to cite a legal scholar from over 150 years ago? Seriously? And your source doesn't provide any evidence. just a conclusion based on his own belief or opinion. That's hardly credible "evidence."
When you provide actual objective, empirical evidence for a god, then we'll see. So far, you have nothing other than mere belief! Looks like another argument loss for you.
I'd say (if he existed) that you have Satan in the now White trash House in the name of Donald Rump.
I wish that weed was legal in Ohio because your reply might be logical if I was higher than Everest.
This might sound crazy, but my eyesight gets better when I'm stoned.
With that said...no it wouldn't look or sound any more logical.
I could make some really good brownies if I had 1/2 a kilo of good weed. Maybe then people could chill out and stop being so bitchy. Everyone I meet is so damn uptight lately.
I just got off the phone with someone who is so anal retentive that if she ate a pound of coal she could poo diamonds 3 days later.
I get phone calls from the "I'm just a dumb country boy" crowd. They're not stupid just fucking lazy.
I could use a brownie. LOL!
Starbucks could sell those brownies for $10.00 each and there would be a line around the block to get them.
It is stressful not to tell people what you really think of them when they say something so monumentally stupid that their existence makes a convincing argument for life after brain death.
A new study suggests that there are around 700 quintillion planets in the universe, but only one like Earth. It’s a revelation that’s both beautiful and terrifying at the same time.
Astrophysicist Erik Zackrisson from Uppsala University in Sweden arrived at this staggering figure — a 7 followed by 20 zeros — with the aid of a computer model that simulated the universe’s evolution following the Big Bang. Zackrisson’s model combined information about known exoplanets with our understanding of the early universe and the laws of physics to recreate the past 13.8 billion years.
"But some of the factors — especially biological ones, such as the switch from nonliving to living organisms — may not be understood anytime soon, he said.
Paul Davies, an astrobiologist at Arizona State University who was not involved in the study, also said that the term that incorporates the probability of nonlife becoming life will be among the hardest to define.
"We don't know the mechanism whereby nonlife turns into life, so we have no way of estimating the odds … It may be one in a trillion trillion (it's easy to imagine that), in which case, Earth life may be unique in the observable universe," Davies told Space.com in an email. "But Pa may be quite large. We simply can't say."
Perobability For Life On Earth
Thus, less than 1 chance in 10 282 (million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion) exists that even one such life-support body would occur anywhere in the universe without invoking divine miracles.
Quite the presumption there, especially given the scope of the universe. We have only discovered about 2000 exoplanets out of countless trillions or more in the universe. Even then, out limited technology cannot determine if those planets contain life. At best, we can only guess based on their observed general characteristics. And that's not even counting moons or other bodies which might harbor life.
When information about known exoplanets is limited, not to mention the limited number of planets discovered out of the total, then the conclusions should be quite suspect.
That sounds more like an argument in favor of life existing elsewhere.
If he's not involved in the study, then his opinion doesn't really mean much.
In other words, that's just a guess. There's an equal (or even better) probability that the opposite is true: the odds might favor the formation and existence of life more.
From an obvious religious biased source. (Skirting the CoC removed) Telo
You forgot to mention this conclusion,
What? (Skirting the CoC removed) Telo Say it ain't so.
We may never know. Consider that the human body is made up of inorganic and organic chemicals (non-life), but somehow work together to form an environment for bacteria to live compatibly with the human body. These non-life chemicals also work together to form an energy source to run that mechanism we call the human body. Is it God? Maybe. But I have no proof of God.
Hear! Hear!
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Definitely true depending on the doctrine taught in certain Christian sects. Yahweh doesn't like a lot of things and some offenses carried death by stoning as the punishment demanded by Yahweh.
I found a TEDTalk given by a woman who was raised in an evangelical sect. She calls it a cult, but I don't see much difference in her sect's beliefs vs other evangelical sects that are not to be called cults on some internet forums.
(Sweeping generalizations removed) Telo
I believe this applies to every person who worships any political or religious leader.
As much as we like to pretend to be independent thinkers, are we really?
I don't worship any politician and obviously, I am not religious. Everyone has the right to believe and live as they wish, until they open a business that requires them to serve all people equally or they try to restrict the secular rights of others.
I question my views every day and I hope to identify any biases.
The only actual difference is how many members they have and whether the cult is accepted or marginalized by the general society. But they're pretty much all equally nutty, and many of the biggest ones which are generally considered "acceptable" have harmful ideologies which target women and minorities.
I should have worded that differently because it was not directed at you personally.
I probably watch too many videos about the lottery of birth.
The man in the following video says "We do not choose our identity - we inherit it." and many other things that might better explain what I meant about having truly independent thoughts.
This woman's story of control and abuse by the Christian cult led by her grandfather is heartbreaking.
Agreed!! If they want to play preacher they should find a church where those who attend would be interested in their endless proselytizing.
Did someone force you to go to a religion section of a web site? Did you feel coerced into opening the seed and reading it? Did one of us compel you to write a response or engage in a debate/ dialogue about what was presented? Since no is the answer to all those questions, what was your point again?
Skirting the CoC [ph]
If you don't want us heathens to comment on your articles, why don't you post them in your private groups? It doesn't matter what category you use, it still ends up on the front page.
(CoC violation removed. Due to the number of violations you have earned a 2 day suspension ending 6/22/18 at 6:10AM EST. Telo
Oh 'comon HA, you know that you'd be really upset if I didn't comment on one of your seeds. And I don't want to hurt your little feelings.
Hate begets hate, The more hate that is expresses to others, the more hate will be returned. But, some don't seem to understand that.
Is my atheism chopped liver? Why don't I count?
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Strange then that only homophobes, racists and misogynists are being condemned rather than all superstitious people. Perhaps that's because not all superstitious folks are bigots?