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In China, 'Free Trade' Means Steal What You Want

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  15 comments

In China, 'Free Trade' Means Steal What You Want

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What can Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY.), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL.) and President Donald Trump agree on? Almost nothing, but they agree China is robbing America blind and has to be stopped. When the president slapped a punishing, 25 percent tariff on $50 billion worth of Chinese goods starting July 6, his least likely GOP ally, Senator Marco Rubio, applauded the tariffs as a "theft tax." Senator Schumer backed them too, warning that allowing China's massive stealing to continue will cause "long-term real damage to America."

Within hours of Trump's announcement, China retaliated with $50 billion in tariffs on U.S. imports. Trump shot back with tariffs on another $200 billion in Chinese goods. China accuses Trump of "provoking the trade war." Provoking? China's been fighting dirty against American business for years. China steals something between $225 billion to $600 billion worth of fashion designs, pharmaceutical formulas and new technologies from U.S. companies every year, according to the Commission on Theft of American Intellectual Property. Previous U.S. presidents did nothing but negotiate. That's like watching a burglar strip your house and asking him, "Can we talk?" At last, an American president picked up a weapon -- tariffs -- to fight back.

Not a minute too soon. The stealing is getting worse. Politicians naively said admitting China to the World Trade Organization in 2001 would push it toward a free market economy observing the rule of law. Magical thinking.

From the start, China violated WTO rules, knocking off American products and selling them as the real deal. A staggering 88 percent of counterfeit goods seized are from China and Hong Kong, according to Homeland Security. It's like the Chinese thought "free market" meant steal what you want.

Steal it or extort it. American companies doing business in China are pressured to transfer proprietary technology to a local partner. China promised to stop that arm-twisting but broke its word.

Now, China is abandoning any pretense of respecting intellectual property. President Xi Jinping's official economic policy, called Made in China 2025, elevates technology theft to official status. The government politely calls it "the assimilation and absorption of imported technology." China plans to steal its way to economic dominance and end dependence on foreign suppliers.

American companies can't thrive under this threat. Our advantage in world markets isn't cheap labor or cheap materials. It's ideas.

American Superconductor Corporation was almost put out of business, its stock value driven down 96 percent, when a Chinese wind turbine maker stole its technology and flooded the Chinese market with copies.

Tariffs are the U.S. response to "forced technology transfer and intellectual property theft by the Chinese," U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said on Monday.

Industries profiting from the status quo are nervous.

General Motors sells more vehicles in China than in the U.S. Multinational companies look at China's middle class -- now the world's largest -- and see huge sales ahead.

But if Beijing's plan proceeds, these U.S. companies will be shut out of China in a decade, and will have to compete in the rest of the world against Chinese companies that stole their technology and enjoy low-cost financing from Chinese state banks.

Are tariffs the best weapon against this plan? Trump is threatening a third tranche, bringing the total to $450 billion. China only imports $130 billion worth of American goods, and won't be able to keep up tit for tat. Advantage U.S.

Critics claim tariffs raise consumer prices, clobbering American households. That's exaggerated. You might have to pay slightly more for a laptop or cellphone. But a whopping 88.5 percent of goods and services consumers buy are domestically produced, according to the Federal Reserve of San Francisco. The criticism also disregards the uncalculated price Americans are paying for Chinese intellectual property theft.

The real question is whether anything can make China stop stealing its way to the top. Trump may win concessions only to see China shamelessly pursue other criminal ploys.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“But if Beijing's plan proceeds, these U.S. companies will be shut out of China in a decade, and will have to compete in the rest of the world against Chinese companies that stole their technology and enjoy low-cost financing from Chinese state banks.

Are tariffs the best weapon against this plan? Trump is threatening a third tranche, bringing the total to $450 billion. China only imports $130 billion worth of American goods, and won't be able to keep up tit for tat. Advantage U.S.

Critics claim tariffs raise consumer prices, clobbering American households. That's exaggerated. You might have to pay slightly more for a laptop or cellphone. But a whopping 88.5 percent of goods and services consumers buy are domestically produced, according to the Federal Reserve of San Francisco. The criticism also disregards the uncalculated price Americans are paying for Chinese intellectual property theft.”

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

The Chinese are the #1 economic and military threat to the USA.  That doesn’t mean we have to be enemies or fight a hot or Cold War with them.  It does mean that if there is to be trade between our great nations, an agreed upon set of ground rules both sides have to agree abide by and follow to the letter before free fair trade between us can begin. The stuff set up during the Clinton administration is no longer workable and a cut off of all economic trade between our nations is preferable to the pre Trump status quo. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    6 years ago

Oh, poor, poor America, with its multi-million dollar CEOs achieved from overpricing their products to steal from the public. Remember the epi-pen pharmaceutical case, with the unbelievable profit margin for its manufacturer?  Heal yourself before demanding that others heal your predicament. 

You're sorry China was admitted to the WTO, then go ahead and see if you can get them booted out - that's the venue to deal with this concern, not by harming your own farmers and fishermen and those who are not so wealthy as those who made themselves rich on the backs of illegal immigrant workers.

It should be an adage if it isn't already, similar to people can be their own worst enemies, that governments can be their own worst enemies.

Somehow, I don't think Trump will be capable of bringing China to its knees.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    6 years ago

Trump isn’t trying to get China on its knees at all.  He’s helping America to get up off of ours.  There are price supports Trump can use to get those domestic producers targeted by Chinese retribution the protection they need to get by until the settlement is reached.  I have no desire at this time to see China kicked out of the WTO.  As to our rich CEO’s many were made so by turning their backs on American workers and relocating facilities offshore.  The pre Trump status quo will not stand.  It’s time to renegotiate the parameters of the situation.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    6 years ago
Trump isn’t trying to get China on its knees at all.  He’s helping America to get up off of ours.

Yeah....off our knees and on our faces. Alienating our allies and endearing our enemies, starting trade wars with our most important business partners.

Yeah......off our knees and on our faces. And kissing the butts of our two biggest enemies at this point. Face Palm  crazy

No wonder you're so proud. Makes No Sense

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.1    6 years ago

Trump is not kissing butt either of Iran 🇮🇷 or China 🇨🇳 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    6 years ago
Trump is not kissing butt either of Iran 🇮🇷 or China 🇨🇳

You are correct. The butts he is kissing are those of Putin of Russia and Kim of NK. China would not even allow Trump to even get near enough. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    6 years ago

Nope.  They sure don’t. It’s an issue finally being addressed.  At least you and Buzz are staying on the seeded topic.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.3    6 years ago

And in 2012 when Romney described Russia as our potential #1 threat Obama mocked him and said the 80’s called and wanted their foreign policy back. Was Obama wrong about Russia?  

 
 
 
devangelical
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4  devangelical    6 years ago

No American gov't employees are allowed to turn on their gov't cell phones when they land in China. They are directed to report to the US consolate for an encrypted loaner cell phone to use. The Chinese gov't automatically downloads malware into every arriving cell phone at it's airports when visitors turn them on. 

I consulted for a company a few years ago that was negotiating with the Chinese to produce an amazing new product to conserve energy. Despite my warnings, they sent their head R&D engineer to China with all their prototypes. When he arrived at the hotel in China and unpacked, all of the prototypes were missing out of his luggage. 

The answer to the China problem isn't imposing tariffs, It's seizing all of their property and investments in the US until they respect international trademark and patent law. The Chinese that have the money to spend here are the ones that are stealing from Americans in China. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4    6 years ago

For once we generally agree on something. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @4    6 years ago
"The Chinese gov't automatically downloads malware into every arriving cell phone at it's airports when visitors turn them on."

I brought a Nokia cell phone with me when I came here (China), and although I couldn't get it to work in China (even took it to Nokia's service centre here) although it had been promoted as having international capability, when I returned to Canada for my son's wedding it worked just fine - no malware or any kind of virus.

"It's seizing all of their property and investments in the US..."

How about refusing to honour all the treasury bills China has purchased - threatening to cancel them?  How will that be seen by the rest of the world's investors in America?

(By the way, I thinks it's probably obvious I never studied Economics. LOL)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2    6 years ago

They could dump them on the market or resell them and see what they could get for them.  Or we could drop the value of the dollar, cause inflation here to make them of less value and since they peg the Yuan to the dollar to keep their exports cheaper than our domestic competition, it will cause inflation there as well.  Now of course I hope this gets resolved long before all that you or I mention ever is allowed to happen. It’s not in either country’s interest to let this spin out of control.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.1    6 years ago
"Now of course I hope this gets resolved long before all that you or I mention ever is allowed to happen. It’s not in either country’s interest to let this spin out of control."

Agreed. Even though you and I are on opposite sides of the world, we're both bound to get hurt by this. 

 
 

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