I thought I recently read that no voter fraud has been found.  Well, I'm a believer in "Tip of the iceberg" logic, in that if you see a bit of something, there's bound to be a lot more of it.

During the Civil Rights Movement days, Pete Seeger wrote and sang this song:

ONE MAN'S HANDS (Pete Seeger)

One man's hands can't tear a prison down
Two men's hands can't tear a prison down
But if two and two and fifty make a million
We'll see that day come round
We'll see that day come round.

I thought I recently read that no voter fraud has been found.

And still hasn't.  This story is not about voter fraud, unless you can show that the votes were cast in an election.

Can you prove they weren't?

You want me to prove a negative???? 

Tell you what, I will prove that negative as soon as you prove to me that illegal immigrating unicorns that fart rainbows did not vote for Trump.

Kind of like California giving drivers licenses to ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS and then ensuring everyone that the VALID drivers license will not be used by said illegals to vote.

Wow, this shows all kinds of ignorance about what you, yourself, bring up as a talking point.

California Won’t Register ‘Illegal’ Voters

The same year that California approved the motor-voter program, it also began to allow some immigrants — including those living in the U.S. illegally — to obtain “AB 60” driver’s licenses. These special licenses are for those who are not U.S. citizens but who can establish California residency and meet other qualifications. (The IDs also explicitly state that they are not for federal purposes.) The California law, however, limits automatic voter registration only to eligible voters, and state officials say they have mechanisms in place to enforce the law.

First rule of debate....you cannot prove a negative

Learn it....know it....live it

First rule of debate....you cannot prove a negative.....

Prove it

lol

The dead have been caught voting already.  That would be fraud and the kid showed us how they do it.

The dead have been caught voting already. 

Because you say so???

Only On 2: Nearly 280 Votes Cast By People Who Are Dead ...
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/11/07/only-on-2-nearly-280...

Nov 07, 2016 · State records show that votes were cast in the names of nearly 280 people after they died. Millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State’s Office have been compared with death records from the Social Security Administration, and officials have failed to present physical proof as to what went wrong.

270 Dead People Shown to Have Voted in ... - NBC New York
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island...

More than 6,000 dead people are registered to vote in Nassau County and records show about 270 of them actually voted after their deaths, according to a Newsday analysis of …

Dead And Still Voting - NBC Bay Area
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Dead-and-Still-Voting...

Other times, though, the voting turns out to be fraud, clerks say, where family members vote on their dead relatives' behalf. Star Power: Celebrities on Team Obama Our findings came as no surprise to Bill Morrison of Palo Alto.

How about because the facts say so?

How about because the facts say so?

How about they don't after all.  Could only open one link about California, so here is the REAL facts.  Trump was blowing it out of his arse, as was his fake commission.  Kobach and Trump only want to openly suppress votes they don't think they will get.  Statistically voter fraud is minuscule and has no impact on electoral outcomes.  Unlike voter suppression, which impacts millions.

latimes

npr

DUNLAP: Well, what's remarkable about the documents is what's not in there, and what's not in there is any substantiated evidence of voter misconduct at any scale. In fact, one of the troubling things about the documents that we saw was that before we were even really meeting, commission staff were working on a framework of a report. And several sections of report talk about voter fraud, and those sections are completely blank. They didn't insert any information whatsoever. So that's why we've been saying that, even though the idea was to investigate voter fraud, it is pretty clear that the purpose of the commission was to actually affirm and validate the president's claims whether or not we had any evidence of any such voter misconduct.

I am sorry the links didn't work. I merely typed "dead people who had votes cast in their names" and every link I posted came from that search. Maybe you can do that and open the links that wouldn't open for you.

And I didn't even link them all--I just did the ones I figured most would find "acceptable".

I merely typed "dead people who had votes cast in their names"

Well, no wonder you got garbage, then.  Maybe you need to read that line a few more times if you still don't get why. I could highlight the crucial part but that would be patronizing.  

If news reports by NBC and CBS are garbage, sue me!

Do you have anything relevant to say about my post, or are you content to snipe?

Can we not assume since the investigation probably took place AFTER the election, that the votes WERE cast?

Can we not assume since the investigation probably took place AFTER the election, that the votes WERE cast?

No, that is the lazy way for someone trying to make a point without actual evidence. You have registration fraud, NOT voter fraud.

Can we not assume since the investigation probably took place AFTER the election, that the votes WERE cast?

Of course we cannot assume that. But thanks for confirmation of one of the ways rightwingers invent voter fraud. 

Tell you what, I will prove that negative as soon as you prove to me that illegal immigrating unicorns that fart rainbows did not vote for Trump.

They voted for Sanders.  They're a key piece of his Medicare for All plan.

Thank you for taking the trouble to answer my question, in SUCH a "civil" way, but then....what else would be expected from you.

They voted for Sanders. 

Evidence???

Thank you for taking the trouble to answer my question

You're welcome.  Anytime.  

Democrats rely on illegal votes to preserve their supermajorities in this illegitimate Californication regime.  

Evidence???

www.thinkprogress.com/exitpolls/ illegal-immigrating-unicorns-that-fart-rainbows

It sure is coincidental that every time a story like this comes up the fraud is in favor of Democrats isn't it?/s

Who won the presidential election?

All he did was register dead people. Those dead people didn't vote. There's a difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

There's a difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

There are already documented cases where guys like this succeeded in Chicago, Colorado and California.  Another coincidence that they all have something else in common?.

chicago.cbslocal

thehill

losangeles.cbslocal

heritage

npr

From your first link.

There are already documented cases where guys like this succeeded in Chicago, Colorado and California.  Another coincidence that they all have something else in common?.

chicago.cbslocal

Jim Allen, a city election board spokesman, says a majority of those dead voters were most likely clerical errors, involving family members with the same names and addresses.

From your second link.

thehill

“We do believe there were several instances of potential vote fraud that occurred,” Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams said in response to the CBS4 findings, according to the network.

“It shows there is the potential for fraud.”

The investigation has resulted in criminal investigations in El Paso and Jefferson counties, in addition to a broad investigation by the Colorado Secretary of State's office.

losangeles.cbslocal

heritage

npr

Only On 2: Nearly 280 Votes Cast By People Who Are Dead ...
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/11/07/only-on-2-nearly-280...
Nov 07, 2016 · State records show that votes were cast in the names of nearly 280 people after they died. Millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State’s Office have been compared with death records from the Social Security Administration, and officials have failed to present physical proof as to what went wrong.
270 Dead People Shown to Have Voted in ... - NBC New York
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dead-Voter-List-Long-Island...
More than 6,000 dead people are registered to vote in Nassau County and records show about 270 of them actually voted after their deaths, according to a Newsday analysis of …
Dead And Still Voting - NBC Bay Area
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Dead-and-Still-Voting...
Other times, though, the voting turns out to be fraud, clerks say, where family members vote on their dead relatives' behalf. Star Power: Celebrities on Team Obama Our findings came as no surprise to Bill Morrison of Palo Alto.

Only On 2: Nearly 280 Votes Cast By People Who Are Dead ...losangeles.cbslocal 07, 2016 · State records show that votes were cast in the names of nearly 280 people after they died. Millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State’s Office have been compared with death records from the Social Security Administration, and officials have failed to present physical proof as to what went wrong.

from the same article;

The Los Angeles County Registrar’s Office researched the problem and found that all of the votes were cast at the polls. Officials claim the votes were an error, stating that live voters signed above or below on the dead voter’s entry line.

no charges filed

btw, who would be charged? the signer or the poll worker who verified the signature, especially if it was on the wrong line?

Also the story indicates that the total of 280 was over 8 years  = 35 per yer in Los Angeles.

Dead And Still Voting - NBC Bay Areanbcbayarea times, though, the voting turns out to be fraud, clerks say, where family members vote on their dead relatives' behalf. Star Power: Celebrities on Team Obama Our findings came as no surprise to Bill Morrison of Palo Alto.

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maybe they signed on the wrong lines too.

That wasn't the only case, New York and Northern California, and Chicago and Detroit all had problems.

I am not saying it was significant or anything, I am saying it exists, which some people seem to have a hard time admitting.

I am sorry the other links wouldn't work, but anyone can look them up like I did.

Liberals love moving the goal posts with stuff like this. In one instance, they will say there is no evidence of voter fraud, then when you point out, factually I might add, proof of voter fraud, they change the argument to "it was so minuscule it did nor affect an election".

Fact is, they will never acknowledge that it is mainly their side doing the fraud.

It really makes me wonder why they seem so disinterested in any voter fraud.

Like a little fraud is okay.

I am not saying it was significant or anything, I am saying it exists, which some people seem to have a hard time admitting.

Man eating tigers exist, that doesn't mean I'm going to carry around a hunting rifle everywhere I go. Yes, voter fraud exists, but it's so rare compared to the numbers of valid votes cast it's not even worth mentioning. It's certainly not worth passing laws that end up disenfranchising millions because they don't have the right kind of ID or had gotten married and hadn't changed their last name on their voter registration yet or reducing voting days and Sunday voting.

The reality is, the worst kind of voter fraud is happening and it's being perpetrated by the Republican party in their attempts to disenfranchise eligible voters they believe are more likely to vote Democrat.

"In its ruling, the appeals court said the law was intentionally designed to discriminate against black people . North Carolina legislators had requested data on voting patterns by race and, with that data in hand, drafted a law that would "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision, " the court said."

npr

Like a little fraud is okay.

Only as long as it benefits them.

but it's so rare compared to the numbers of valid votes cast it's not even worth mentioning.

So when will an acceptable time to begin to mention voter fraud? After it actually affects an election?

Funny how a "little" crime can be acceptable if it is dealing with voting or illegal immigration.

Maybe there's a difference, but are they not both offences.  If it gets as far as voter fraud, then the original fraudster got a way with it.

"Yes, voter fraud exists, but it's so rare compared to the numbers of valid votes cast it's not even worth mentioning."

Only when it's a close call, like Bush vs Gore.  Otherwise committing crime is okay, eh?

Otherwise committing crime is okay, eh?

Not at all, our current justice system and laws are fine to deal with it as was shown by the arrest of this idiot in the seeded article. I'm saying those who use it as an excuse to disenfranchise millions of eligible voters should not only be ashamed of themselves, they should be thrown in jail themselves for being such worthless pieces of shit.

btw, ID is required to vote in Los Angeles County.

So if the voters showed ID and then signed the wrong line in the roll book

would that be, as the articles imply, voter fraud or

could it be voter error, or poll worker error.

Fraud implies an intention to deceive.

These cases seem like simple human errors.

It's always amazing to me how these rightwingers never seem to actually read the articles they link to.  

I am not saying it was significant or anything, I am saying it exists, which some people seem to have a hard time admitting.

I have never denied that there are very rare cases of voting fraud--I think something on the order of 1 per millions of votes cast.  One study in 2014 found only 31 cases of impersonation fraud out of 1 billion ballots:

  washingtonpost

I have yet to find any report of an election in the past 50 years at any level of government that was tainted by fraudulent voting by either side -- although it's difficult to do a search on that specific question.

Probably just as hard to research false voting when ID is not required and there is little or no proof who actually voted.

It is just fine to them as long as it helps them to win an election.  The ends justify whatever means it takes to get there.  

What is even funnier is those here that say 'There is no voting fraud' will be the same ones that will now say 'well, it was just one guy'.  Without some kind of an ID system, there is no way to stop voter fraud or even know if it occurred.

That's because there is no voter fraud here

'well, it was just one guy'.

I think that's called "backpedaling" - sort of a "never give up the fight" thing. LOL

Without some kind of an ID system, there is no way to stop voter fraud or even know if it occurred.

The ID system you desire would be one that, by definition will make it harder for people you don't want voting to get an ID.  That's already been shown to happen in NC:

nytimes

definition will make it harder for people you don't want voting to get an ID.

How does  it make it harder to get and ID?  

Why is it you all seem to think that poor minority people aren't smart enough to figure out how to get proper ID . I believe in that respect you are being just as racist as any Klansman. 

The ID system you desire would be one that, by definition will make it harder for people you don't want voting to get an ID.

Bullshit.

There is NO good excuse to not have an ID here. 

Yeah, just ignore the fact that some states (NC and KS, at least; I'm sure I could find others who are attempt to) have had voter ID laws struck down precisely because they were clearly designed to marginally certain voting groups -- likely Democratic party voters.  

Bullshit again,

First example of yours  i checked, straight from the Kansas DMV site:

"Section 1

Notice

Photographic identification is required to vote in Kansas. Any registered voter who does not possess a

valid photographic identification document may receive a fee waiver when applying for a Kansas

nondriver’s identification card (“ID Card”) from the Kansas Division of Vehicles by completing this form

and providing evidence of voter registration. Acceptance of this form and waiver of the ID Card fee shall

not relieve the applicant of satisfying the Division’s other, standard requirements for issuance of an ID Card

. (i.e. lawful presence, identity, residency, etc.)"

Yet, you haven't answered the question posed.

Yet, you haven't answered the question posed.

Where did you ask a question?

Without some kind of an ID system, there is no way to stop voter fraud or even know if it occurred.

The ID system you desire would be one that, by definition will make it harder for people you don't want voting to get an ID.  That's already been shown to happen in NC:

nytimes

Don't know how this got duplicated.  

'Well, I'm a believer in "Tip of the iceberg" logic, in that if you see a bit of something, there's bound to be a lot more of it.'

Well there certainly some voting fraud but it is so low, low, low.  Normally it's conservatives that are caught doing it.    

Almost as if on cue, there it is........

LOL. So true, so true....

Almost as if on cue, there it is........

Yep, the truth keeps coming up no matter how much some people refuse to accept it.  

Well there certainly some voting fraud but it is so low, low, low. 

Infinitesimally low.  But this hard, cold fact will never stop the rightwingers from lying about it. 

Again, how do you know that.  If there is no proof of identity, how do you know there is or isn't voter fraud?

If there is no proof of identity, how do you know there is or isn't voter fraud?

You've been given sources for this time and time again and (surprise!!!) simply refuse to accept them.  By the way, the argument isn't that there's never any voter fraud.  I've put up examples of documented voter fraud (mostly by republican voters it, also unsurprisingly, turns out).  But study after study has shown that it's such a miniscule problem that no new or extreme measures need to be taken.  This is and always has been an unfounded excuse for republicans to devise ways to deter likely democratic party voters particularly in areas where they have numerical significance--e.g. blacks in the South.  Of course, gerrymandering congressional districts using a combination of race and party affiliation results in states like NC having a congressional delegation that's 77% republican even as 46% of the state voted for Clinton in 2016.  Here's the current NC CD map which produces 10 R and 3 D representatives:

And here's what creating competitive (i.e. based on a non-partisan distribution of the population)  districts would look like:

Has the thought ever occurred to you that some Hillary voters wouldn't vote for a poor Democratic candidate for Congress?

Or do you ONLY vote a straight ticket?

Or do you ONLY vote a straight ticket?

THAT's what you got out of making congressional districts more competitive rather than making them iron-clad safe for one party dominance?  Man, it's just impossible to get through rock-solid, impenetrable ideologic stone like that.  

Oh, FFS.

Please don't start that tired old crap-whining about gerrymandering.

Dems did it for decades.

Now you are just pissed that the Dems have lost so many elections and seats that they simply don't have the power to do it anymore in most of the country.

If you don't like it, do what a famous Democrat suggested--"Win some elections" and change it.

I think this would be considered "attempted" voter fraud.  Guess what?......the system worked and the falsified records were identified, the perpetrator was arrested, and justice was handed out.

In my opinion this young man should lose his voting rights.   Further, anyone who tries to manipulate our country's electoral voting systems or conspire to influence or manipulate our votes or the outcome of an election with any domestic or foreign actor should have to face the appropriate justice. 

The system worked!  Thank you PJ.

Agree with you on all points made.  

Unfortunately the System is different in every State and most aren't even trying.

True, for instance it's been proven the Florida election systems have been hacked and critical voter information stolen yet the Florida leaders have opted to not try and fix them.  I wonder why that is.....  To me that is another form of voter fraud, to know that the system has been compromised and to intentionally decide not to do anything about it.

Florida residents should sue their leaders, imo.

You mean Florida doesn't make digital backups and hard copies, sure someone can hack the online machines that contain the voter rolls, but how do you hack the offline backup and paper copies?

I was trying to find the source that aired the report.  I'll keep looking and post it if I find it.   

In summary, some tech dude did an audit on the system and what he found was that it had been compromised and voter information stolen including driver license info, partial social security info, etc..  In addition, the election officials information and passwords had been stolen.  He sent his findings to Florida officials over a year ago so they could start protecting the systems.  He recently went back into the systems and realized that NOTHING had been done to protect them.

One voter protection group (can't remember their name) petitioned the State Officials to go to paper ballots but the Officials said it was too late and they would look into after this year's mid term elections.

'One voter protection group (can't remember their name) petitioned the State Officials to go to paper ballots but the Officials said it was too late and they would look into after this year's mid term elections.'

Hmmmm, how convenient.  Wonder why they're waiting until after the midterm elections?  I don't really wonder but I'm sure most get the point except those that don't want to.  

Wally.....Wally.....Wally - That's all I got.

Wasn't it just last week that they had a Hacker contest and the test was to hack a clone of the Florida Election System and 10 year old kids managed to hack in and change names and results. If I remember correctly only one of the contestants failed to hack the site.

When I was looking for the report I saw earlier this week I did see those stories pop up.  That's just crazy...... How much evidence do Officials need.  It makes one wonder whether there is some secret agreement with the State Officials and an entity to perhaps make sure their guy wins.......  I don't know but it does bring up a lot of questions and opens the situation up to some conspiracy theories.  

I'm starting to wonder whether the Republican leadership intentionally has not addressed the Russian interference because they are in on it.  The only way to ensure they are not exposed is to shut down the investigation.

'I'm starting to wonder whether the Republican leadership intentionally has not addressed the Russian interference because they are in on it.  The only way to ensure they are not exposed is to shut down the investigation.'

I think the majority of Rump's administration and the republican 'leadership'  is in on this up to their eyeballs and do not want anything done until after the Midterms.  

I think this would be considered "attempted" voter fraud

It's not 'attempted" voter fraud PJ, it's voter " registration " fraud. 

Even if Spieles 18 bogus registration forms had made it into there was there were no humans behind them to ever attempt a vote.

Most of the times folks have messed with the registration forms in the past it was because they got paid for the number of forms they turned in so the fraud was about the money, not jiggering the vote. Sometimes they were just lazy and didn't want to walk around asking people to fill out the forms so they filled them out themselves.

Spieles didn't get extra pay but it looks like he might have been trying to impress a female he was working with because he added his bogus daily totals to hers.

He combined his registration totals with that colleague, so that both would get higher numbers.

HarrisonburgVOTES, however, does not make salary dependent on number of voters registered.

Spieles' colleague did, however, have number goals she had to meet for the Democratic Party, so he said he filled out invalid forms to help her out for the Democratic Party of Virginia's database for calls.

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As for the seeded headline, "Virginia college student gets 100 days in jail for registering dead voters for Democrats", well.....

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Snopes

Spieles, who pled guilty to one count of knowingly transferring false voter registration forms, told investigators that he acted alone and unassisted. The Justice Department identified him as a member of a Democrat-affiliated group called “Harrisonburg Votes,” but there is no website, Twitter account or Facebook page currently listed going by that name. Further, voters in Virginia are not registered by party affiliation , despite multiple stories that reported the dead faux voters were registered as Democrats.

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Well whatever, once again this kid spending some time in jail shows that, "In Person Voter Fraud is NOT A PROBLEM" , and we can get back to guarding against real problems with our electoral system.

Problems like keeping foreign governments from injecting poison into our body politic, like they so successfully did in 2016.

Thank you for clarifying several points AH.  Too many times I take the seeded content at full face value.  I need to do a bit more research.

Even if Spieles 18 bogus registration forms had made it into there was there were no humans behind them to ever attempt a vote.

It's just impossible for some people to understand how getting a dead person's name on a registration form almost never translates into a vote with that person's name.  This classic bogus charge for this goes all the way back to the beginning of this country but there are really no documented cases when this has ever resulted in election tampering.  Election tampering is so much easier to do by people who run the elections.  In the old days it would just be  either stuffing or removing ballots when they came back to be counted in secret.  Newer methods include using "technical errors" in touch screen voting machines--of the sort that resulted in 100,000 electronic ballots "disappearing" in OH in the 2004 presidential election (and who knows how many more in tens of thousands of precincts around the country.  Oh, did I mention that the companies making these machines are heavily involved in rightwing politics (see Diebold)?  These ways are so much more efficient than pretending to go through a process of registering dead voter names and then trying to round up people to impersonate them on voting day.  That's rank amateur level voting fraud.  

....So it is safe to assume it works every time and that Fraud never happens./S

As Sarah said the other day when asked whether she could guarantee that the President didn't say the "N" word..... "I can't guarantee anything".  

To be honest, I'm very concerned about American votes being manipulated and falsified from both domestic conspirators and foreign actors.  I hope we get to the bottom of it soon......

The whole problem is computers and internet - they open the door to hacking manipulation.  In Canada the voting system is universal - the same all across the country - Paper ballots and pencils - no hacking, no computer crashing, no "hanging chads", and party reps are present on the count - no cheating.  Sometimes technology can cause more problems than they solve.

no cheating.

My heart fairly leaps every time I see one of Buzz's comments.  No fraud in Canada, eh?

2011 Canadian federal election voter suppression scandal

Keep 'em coming, Buzz.  

Thank you for that - it's news to me, perhaps because I haven't lived in Canada for the past 12 years. 

It's good to have a Jiminy Cricket on my shoulder.

They could have given him a year in prison but only gave him 100 days. They could have fined him 100,000 but he's broke so they waved the fine. Ok it seems like a pretty light sentence to me but fine, but why the hell didn't they tack on five years Probation? Typically if they want to cut a first offender a break on fines or jail time they impose a long Probation period to keep them on the straight and narrow. Probation is like insurance, it allows a judge to show mercy without looking bad if the guy reoffends. I would also have imposed a 10,000.00 dollar fine then suspended 9000.00 of it so if he screws up again I could reimpose the 9000.00 Fine.

Yes, I thought it was a little odd that his fine and time was reduced.  Maybe there is something there we're not privy to.  I think you offer good reasons why the fine and time could have been suspended rather than waived.  

Could the judge have been a Democrat?

Please don't tell me that you're spouting one of Mr. Trump's strategies in which you claim that a person cannot perform their job because of their heritage or political affiliation.  Please don't disappoint me Buzz and say that is what you are doing here.  That's an argument to dismiss every judgement that we don't like.

All I did was ask a question.  YOU'RE the one who made an assumption, I didn't.

I'm not making an assumption.....I'm asking for clarification.  Gee Buzz

I think we need to go to the "thumb in the ink" technology we used in Iraq.

Lets see those dead people vote then ..... lets see those russians hack our inked thumbs .....

Gee I wonder if this is why Democrats fight against voter ID so hard./s

BUZZ, you amaze me, Posting great pictures from China and then find something 30 miles from my house. 

I remember reading about that.  He might have gotten away if he had not used a well known dead man's name.   

Thanks Charger.  I appreciate that at least YOU are not so narrow-minded as those who are only capable of posting on political issues.

Thanks, I'll argue some things but more important to enjoy the site.  

It's cool that you in China would find something that happened just down the road from me.  I went to college at JMU and go to Harrisonbug couple times a month. 

It is hilarious how every time someone gets caught either doing it or attempting it you say it is a Myth.  Explain the links I posted on PROVEN cases.  There has been almost 1000 CONVICTIONS.

There has been almost 1000 CONVICTIONS.

Yeah, mostly of republicans

  That's why your'e against voter ID right?/s

Read comment 13.

That does not address convictions...almost 1000 from a "myth"

  That's why your'e against voter ID right?/s

Weak--even by your "standards."  Keep trying.  

Well, that's registration fraud.  How 'bout some real voter fraud cases:

2016

A woman in Iowa who voted twice. Terri Lynn Rote had the enormous misfortune of bad timing. Right as the candidate she supported, Trump , was drawing attention to fraud cases, Rote decided to try to vote twice in Des Moines, and got caught. The case made national headlines simply by virtue of the fact that it happened when it did, and that she voted for Trump.

For what it's worth, she suggested that the fault lay with Trump. “The polls are rigged,” she said to a local radio station by way of explaining her multiple votes, echoing another of Trump's complaints.

A man in Texas who voted twice. Phillip Cook was arrested on Election Day after voting twice. He claimed to be an employee of Trump's campaign who was testing the security of the electoral system. He wasn't an employee of the campaign — and the polling location's security worked perfectly well, it seems.

A woman who cast a ballot on behalf of her dead husband.  Audrey Cook is a Republican election judge in Illinois. She and her husband applied for absentee ballots because he was ill. He died before completing his, so she filled it out for him and  sent it in . The ballot will not be counted.  

Ex-head of Colorado Republicans charged with voter fraud

A Florida grandma who voted Republican

And I love it when the left ignore their own. 

I know this one is 18 extra votes, and not just one extra vote in your examples; but Democrats 

empowertexans

As multiple voter fraud investigations targeting illegal mail ballot harvesting are ongoing in the Metroplex, one in Ellis County, just south of Dallas, has ended in the conviction of an elected law enforcement officer on multiple counts of mail ballot fraud.

A jury found Constable Tyron Davis guilty of six counts of voter fraud for illegally harvesting mail ballot applications at a Waxahachie nursing home while a candidate in the May 2016 Democrat primary runoff.

Davis filled out mail ballot applications for as many as 18 senior citizens , but failed to sign the forms as an “assistant” as required by Texas Election Code. At least one of the voters he assisted suffered from Alzheimer’s.

“It’s still debatable whether the people at the nursing home knew what they were signing when Davis showed up,” said Patrick Wilson, the Republican county and district attorney in Ellis County. 

County elections officials spotted the 18 ballot applications with similar handwriting but no assistant signature and notified investigators in the District Attorney’s Office. When the applicants were interviewed, several identified Davis as the person who assisted them and told investigators that they didn’t know what they were signing.

Davis claimed he wasn’t trying to steal votes from seniors; he just wanted to “provide a service” to help them participate in the election. But the elections clerk who gave him the applications said she told Davis that he was required to fill out the section for a witness or assistant if he helped voters complete the forms.

Davis was also convicted of falsely identifying as a peace officer before he was elected and licensed, in ads and on fliers given to the nursing home residents.

kansascity

Kobach’s announcement said that Preston Glen Christensen pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of voting without being qualified.

He will have to pay a $1,000 fine and court costs as a result.

Rep. John Carmichael, a Democrat from Wichita, questioned whether it was a worthwhile use of taxpayers money to “have a full legal staff over there and only find 8 or 9 violations to prosecute.”

“Either, it’s not happening to the degree that the secretary of state imagines, or he and his staff are wasting the taxpayers’ money,” Carmichael said.

Here is only one; of course there is a Democratic politician there to cry for the poor convicted soul.

cnn

Mason signed an affidavit in order to cast a provisional ballot, which stated that it is a violation of the law to vote if you are a convicted felon, but Mason did not see that part of the ballot, St. John said.

"Ms. Mason was never asked if she was a convicted felon by the election judge nor did she indicate that she was a convicted felon," her attorney said. "Ms. Mason voted in good faith that she could legally vote because she was never notified by any government agency that it was against the law to vote."

Prosecutors argued that Mason either intended to vote illegally or should have been aware that she was not eligible to vote, according to The Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

"There were multiple safeguards in place to keep Crystal Mason from breaking the law, but she still made that choice," Tarrant County Criminal District Attorney Sharen Wilson said a statement.

"She signed and affirmed a document which clearly stated that (1) she was prohibited from voting due to her status as a convicted felon still serving her term of supervision, and (2) she would be committing a second degree felony if she lied about her status," Wilson said. "The judge found her guilty of illegal voting beyond a reasonable doubt."

The Star-Telegram reported at the time of her indictment that Mason believed she was being targeted for her vote -- which she said she cast for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

usatoday

Richardson told the judge she was bothered that Amy Searcy, the Hamilton County Board of Elections director, had criticized her moments before the sentencing. Richardson, 58, said that for years she helped register Democrats to vote but now was being persecuted despite her decades as a poll worker.

"I think the board has shown me nothing but total disrespect for the 30 years I've served them," she told the judge. "I believe in the system and I've done nothing to harm the system or cause disgrace to President Obama."

The conservative, outspoken judge responded with scathing comments, blasting Richardson for suggesting she was being prosecuted because she was a black Democrat helping a black Democratic presidential candidate.

"It has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with disrespecting you. You did this to yourself," Ruehlman told her. "You're very selfish, self-centered. I really believe President Obama, if he were asked about this today, he would be appalled. He would not want anybody to cheat to get elected."

Ruehlman noted that two others convicted of illegal voting before Richardson received much lighter sentences but stressed that their cases were different.

The judge said Richardson deserved a prison sentence, which was one year less than the maximum possible, because she has a lengthy criminal record, schemed repeatedly over five years to cast several illegal votes and used her training and expertise as a poll worker to try to evade detection.

There is a difference between the left and right. Those on the right want voter fraud stamp out no matter who is doing it. Those on the left want to ignore it, and pretend it doesn't exist. How much voter fraud is there. Given the amount of obstruction and denial far more than is ever prosecuted.

Good post, especially the last paragraph.

ANY illegal vote voids a legal citizens' vote. 

How can anyone stand for that?

Wow, that's a lot of weak beer you brewed up there.  Again, most of it registration violations (ballot applications are not votes--when will you people learn that difference?) and after that it's just 3 individual cases of actual illegal voting.  And you must not have really read my post (or did you and decided to make a false claim?) because there were several examples of multiple votes by republicans in it.  And there's no example of any democratic voting or election crime that comes anywhere close to what NH republicans did in 2002:

en.wikipedia

So much for this hypocritical bullshit:

Those on the left want to ignore it,

And as for this laugher:

Those on the right want voter fraud stamp out no matter who is doing it.

The fact that that bogus Kobach voting fraud panel blew up in his face and his walloping in federal court in KS earlier this Summer have pretty much exposed that the only fraud of any magnitude is that vote fraud is a problem in this country.  Even the small number both of us could dredge up testifies to that.  

propublica

Of course, the LIE by the author of this article (as shown in the pic that accompanies it) is that none of these registrations ended up voting.  In fact, this is the dumbest of all scams since these voter registrations are checked by the county Registrar and it's inevitable that these will be caught as the registrar's office found many flaws in this guy's submissions.  Furthermore, it's one thing to put a dead person's name on a registration and quite another for someone to impersonate the deceased to  commit vote fraud on election day.  Registration fraud resulting in actual vote fraud is exceedingly rare...to the point of being undetectable in election outcomes.  

But I wanted to add one more really juicy case of voting fraud in the recent past:

2002 New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal

As always when this is brought up by rightwing republicans it turns out that the dirtiest scum of all turn out to be the  rightwing republicans.

Personally I don't give a shit which party was responsible or benefited - I have no skin in the game. As well, it doesn't matter to me if it is registration fraud or voter fraud.  A crime was committed, the perpetrator found guilty, and he's spending time incarcerated for it, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ARTICLE.  What's happening with the comments here sure is a hell of an obvious sign to me how fucking sick Americans are because they are COMPELLED to make it a partisan issue. Ain't freedom grand?

Personally I don't give a shit which party was responsible or benefited - I have no skin in the game.

It's hilarious that you think anyone would fall for that patently ridiculous claim to being just a disinterested non-partisan good citizen jes' doin' his civic duty by "reporting" this story.   

Why is it wrong to care about voter fraud and voter registration fraud?

Why is it wrong to care about voter fraud and voter registration fraud?

It's not. It's just glaringly disingenuous when the facts are shown that the actual voter fraud you complain about is less than 0.02% while the attempts by Republicans claiming to be concerned about it are attempting to put in place laws that intentionally disenfranchise millions of eligible voters.

So tell me, which do you think is a bigger problem, the tiny fraction of idiots like this person in the seeded article? Or the disenfranchisement of millions of voters? And how would you react if you found Democrats trying to put in place voting laws that the courts found specifically "targeted" conservatives "with almost surgical precision" in an attempt to prevent millions of eligible conservatives from voting? Would you really just shrug and say "Well why can't they just figure out a way around them and vote anyway? Why are they so lazy as to not be able to meet the new Democrats rules?".

Buzz is a Canadian Citizen living in China, he doesn't have any skin in the game, regardless of your attempts to paint him as a liar.

Sounds much more like it is acceptable to you because it is a small figure.

Every illegal vote cast negates a legitimate vote.

It's hilarious to me that a person who calls himself an atheist also states his name in Hebrew words in the traditional Jewish manner for his pseudonym.  I thought Americans believed in 'free speech', so are only Americans entitled to that?

I thought Americans believed in 'free speech', so are only Americans entitled to that?

Here's a little lesson in how free speech works:  You're entirely free to slap up all the BS you like on this forum and I'm free to slap it down.  And it's pretty hilarious to me that someone who claims to be a Jew can't read Hebrew and doesn't apparently know any Jews who are atheists.  It seems you actually seek out rakes to step on, "Buzz."  

Here's an example of free speech: Why don't you just FUCK OFF!!!

It's just glaringly disingenuous when the facts are shown that the actual voter fraud you complain about is less than 0.02%

Yes.  Agree 100%

while the attempts by Republicans claiming to be concerned about it are attempting to put in place laws that intentionally disenfranchise millions of eligible voters.

But this is also glaringly disingenuous.  "Millions" of eligible voters?  Utter nonsense.

Don’t let em bait you Buzz.

You are dealing with pro’s who honed their trolling craft in places like NV.

You are better than that.

Thanks, but no concern. I have neither admiration nor respect for any person who would be so pretentious as to use Einstein's General Theory of Relativity as an avatar, and so ostentatious as to use Hebrew in his pseudonym, who contributes NOTHING to this site, not one article or seed, other than just spending his time dissing and baiting others' comments.  

True but he was personally attacked and the flag disallowed so his angry response is totally justified in this case.  

Why is it wrong to care about voter fraud and voter registration fraud?

Well, to begin with it's when that "care" involves constantnly lying that it's some kind of massive problem when it isn't even a blip on the meter of voting.  Then there's the fact that the remedies for this non-existent "problem" just seem to negatively affect the voting ability of legal voters who tend to vote for people other than republicans and just by sheer coincidence in states run by republicans who have gerrymandered the shit out of their CDs to further make sure that even these people do get to vote they have next-to-zero chance of being represented by someone they choose.  

If you can quote me just once saying it was a massive problem, I will give myself a suspension for a month.

Now, will you suspend yourself when you fail?

And FFS, please stop whining about gerrymandering. Dems did it for decades and now y'all are just pissed that you lost so many elections and seats that you can't do it anymore except in some coastal states an maybe a couple of others.

Win some elections and change things, as a famous Democrat once suggested to the GOP.

There have been a number of serious investigations regarding voter fraud, one of which was conducted by the (W) Bush Justice Department in which it actively looked for voter fraud!

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

nytimes

Other such studies resulted in similar outcomes.

No reasonable individual condones voter fraud! But, THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTATIVE CLAIMS OF WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD … AND ONCE CAUGHT PERPETRATING SUCH LIES … further such claims by the liars cannot be taken seriously!

FOR EXAMPLE …

I wonder how it was at the Rockingham County Jail when Spieles started his 100 days.  Maybe like this, tough guy says "Boy, what you in here for?", he says "Voter fraud" and all the inmates run to the other end of the cell block.  Most people in jail around here are for drugs, DWI, domestic situation or probation violation.  A young college boy in for Voter Fraud would be different   

Or, it could be like this,

'Maybe like this, tough guy says "Boy, what you in here for?", he says "Voter fraud", and all the inmates run to the other end of the cell block.' 

Why does that make me think of Arlo Guthrie singing "Alice's Restaurant"?  LOL

"And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench."

I was trying to remember that but couldn't place it,  You can get everything you want at Alice's Restaurant 

Virginia college student gets 100 days in jail for registering dead voters for Democrats

Good thing it was Democrats.  If he had done the same thing with Republicans, he would have gotten at least 5 years.

If he had done the same thing with Republicans, he would have gotten at least 5 years.

Oh, bullshit.  Even those NH republicans who committed widespread statewide  election fraud in 2002, not just one random individual wrongful vote, barely got a tap on the knuckles:

Allen Raymond  was sentenced to five months in federal prison on February 8, 2005, for his role. A month later, Charles McGee received seven months .  en.wikipedia

Here are the confirmed cases of voter fraud in 2016.

Cases of voter fraud

A woman in Iowa who voted twice.   Terri Lynn Rote had the enormous misfortune of bad timing. Right as the candidate she supported, Trump, was drawing attention to fraud cases, Rote   decided to try to vote twice   in Des Moines, and got caught. The case made national headlines simply by virtue of the fact that it happened when it did, and that she voted for Trump.

For what it's worth, she suggested that the fault lay with Trump. “The polls are rigged,” she said to a local radio station by way of explaining her multiple votes, echoing another of Trump's complaints.

A man in Texas who voted twice.   Phillip Cook   was arrested   on Election Day after voting twice. He claimed to be an employee of Trump's campaign who was testing the security of the electoral system. He wasn't an employee of the campaign — and the polling location's security worked perfectly well, it seems.

A woman who cast a ballot on behalf of her dead husband.   Audrey Cook is a Republican election judge in Illinois. She and her husband applied for absentee ballots because he was ill. He died before completing his, so she filled it out for him and   sent it in . The ballot will not be counted.

A woman in Florida who marked absentee ballots.   Gladys Coego was hired to open absentee ballots in Miami-Dade County. One of her co-workers noticed that she was going a step further, filling in the bubble for a mayoral candidate with a pen she had in her purse. She was   caught in the act   and arrested. There's no evidence that she changed any presidential votes.

This was clearly a lone wolf acting this way and without an actual person who could or would actually use the registration to actually cast a vote, then they are nothing but a number on a page saying "(x) amount" of voters are registered to "(x) party.

This was wrong to do "falsifying 18 Virginia voter registration forms", but no right wing voter has ever followed any of the many cases that took place during both Bush elections, like the official who threw a few hundred uncounted Democrat mail in ballots in the trash and they were found days later. The 15 officials during that time who were found guilty in Pennsylvania and Virginia, the shenanigans that went on in Ohio with the voting machines.

What people focus on is one lone student who did the wrong thing for one party but no one focuses on the other side of the aisle. Republicans do it too. 

Take for example the Republican white woman who admitted to voting for Trump twice, she got a slap on the wrist, while a Democrat black woman who didn't understand the registration forms & process was given 5 years in prison.

If only trump would put together a group of people to investigate things like this.... Oh wait, he did, and they found nothing...

theatlantic

YET AGAIN a comment I posted, indicating that I would be offline for 10 or 11 hours and not available to moderate this seed but would unlock it when I return, DISAPPEARED.  Anyway, now being back online, this article is now unlocked.

A big reason I don’t post articles.    I really don’t have the time or desire to chase the instigators around.

Depends on the article. I've never had a need to lock a Photography or Movie article - although there are members here who get their kicks from just being assholes - I've learned not to respond to them.