Loyal Democratic donors: We’re done with the DNC ‘until they get their act together’
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Interesting article. Some of the facts:
The Democratic National Committee — the party’s signature organization — has posted its worst midterm fund raising totals in more than a decade.
The DNC has so far taken in $116 million before the November midterm elections — $9 million less than it had taken in at this point in 2014 and more than $30 million less than it had taken in at this point in 2010, the last two midterm cycles.
By contrast, the Republican National Committee has nearly doubled the DNC’s haul this cycle, bringing in a total of $227 million. And of the six major federal committees of both parties, the DNC has by far the most debt ($6.7 million) and the least amount in its bank account ($7.8 million).
Will be interesting to see if this impacts any progress the Democrats think they will make in the upcoming midterms. Sounds like donors have still contributed but just in different ways, and at least at this point in time their faith in the DNC is shaken. Does this indicate distrust of the party as a whole or simply some significant division within the party?
Perhaps Democrats, like many Republicans, are beginning to doubt the value of the rigid two party system, and are looking to focus more on local candidates and issues and not so much the central party bureaucracies and perceived corruption?
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Well, $$ didn't win the last Presidential election.
Maybe the Dems will have to get back to grass roots.
Like it matters to you?
White men like Bernie, Schumer, Joe Biden, Richard Cordray, and Sherrod Brown?
I'll give money to Act Blue, progressive causes and candidates such as Cordray and Brown, but I refuse to give it to the DNC, until they stop being corporate puppets. The DNC sent me a request and I sent it back with $60.00 in Monolopy money.
LOL! Nice! I get requests from both the DNC and RNC and both go straight to the round file.
I send them back either in their postage-paid envelopes or postage due.
So YOU are the reason the DNC is in such deep debt! And here all along folks were blaming that on Hillary...
Love to see it. Now let's see if we can encourage a withdrawal of support contest between D and R supporters and really drain the swamp.
Time for a viable 3rd party!
The current election system is too rigged to allow a viable 3rd party. The existence of Citizens United makes the situation even worse.
CU is not the big bad wolf some wish to make it seem.
Why, I remember when so many were up in arms about the decision. Many stated unequivocally that money would ruin politics and that every election would simply be bought.
And then reality happened, and the campaign that spent the most lost the election, thereby proving those naysayers all wrong.
Oh, really? Citizens United merely allowed some big multinational corporations and some rich foreign oligarchs to purchase our sacred Republic. So, they did. The good news it that we, The People, have it within our powers as voting citizens to actually unite against all those forces of evil which threaten us all. If a poor young lady from the Bronx can beat the most establishment of Democratic incumbents in advancement of more progressive policies and a stronger stand against the scourge of Trumpism then voters seem ready to make a valiant stand for Democrats on November 6th. Vote Early! Vote Often! Vote Democratic...
I know.
Sure it did...……….not!
CU did not stop the ban on corporations from contributing to a candidate or a candidate's campaign.
Corporations are unable to donate to any candidate or their campaign.
In fact, CU did not reverse any law.
I think most people heard things about how evil the CU ruling was and never bothered to read it or understand it.
"Vote often"??
Freudian slip there?
LMAO!
Yes, Wrong under the circumstance of the last presidential election. But is that the exception or the norm ?
I submit that candidate trump's message, the constant attention paid to this TV personality and billionaire real estate tycoon turned candidate Trump resulting in untold amounts of free air time and the man's personality and connections didn't hurt. And may have made this particular election the exception to the rule.
IMO: Much of the problem with this government and how it has been operating for years IS the amount of money needed to "get the message out" unfortunately it seems many times then the elected people need to worry more about raising the money (and are therefor beholden to the people doing the donating of that money) than to We the people whom the intended "get the Message out " is being put out to for the votes.
IMO: We the people have become no more than mir pawns in the big money world.
He who has the gold makes the rules, Fortunately, America originally was not set up to be this way. Unfortunately, IMO: That is the reality of today.
IMO: Trump's election WAS an exception to the rule.
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Obama outspent Romney.
Are you claiming that the election was bought for Obama?
I'm stating IMO: Big money influences elections and yes Obama was elected and yes IMO: big money influenced his election.
Kudos to you.
I never thought I'd live to see the day where someone would admit that.
lol... Glad to oblige.
I keep hoping the Democrats see her as a viable candidate for higher offices.
Indeed. And then stories like this reflect the reality when politicians say one thing and do quite the other. Democrats are extremely good at this, even the socialists...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/24/ocasio-cortez-claims-solidarity-with-cab-drivers-while-campaign-buys-rides-from-uber-other-alternatives-fec-data-show.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29&&roi=echo3-52953173626-48904030-93a9d368aae0eb02a3a7d7b2f2855357
Why do you think that she would be an easy GOP target in a nationwide election? She is obviously very intelligent, she isn't a corporate stooge, and she is far more personable than Hillary Clinton.
I hope she is ran for higher office. If that is the very best Democrats can do, I will be extremely happy with their choice. I don't think she can win any election outside of a small, district-only type. Her ideas are not mainstream. She is pretty far out there.
A rock is as least as personable as Hillary.
This was predictable but revealing nonetheless:
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So in other words Trump voters like his racism and his manliness and his decisiveness, despite the fact that he's the biggest pussy on the planet and his "decisions" are irrational whims which change direction with the slightest breeze.
Nice deflection. We were talking about Hillary and Ocasio, but thanks for contributing your usual Hate Trump agenda with us.
Is there anything you can take for the Hate Trump disease you seem to have acquired?
Can't you folks take a compliment? There's a reason you're attracted to Trump's personality.
Please, seek help. Just about every article on virtually any subject, you somehow mange to turn into a Trump Hatefest.
Trump wasn't the subject.
Or perhaps simply a viable independent candidate who people can get behind. Someone rational and reasonable and without allegiance to any specific ideology. Someone honest and willing to tell the truth as hard as that truth might be for others to accept. Hey TiG, are you busy around say November 7th?
Actually I think most NT users thoughts are quite predictable! (Tell me whether they watch MSNBC/CNN -- or Fox News, and I can tell you their thoughts!)
--Harry "The Psychic" Krishna
Ya think?!!!! Posting an article here (or on any "news" blog type site) can certainly be like dipping a toe in a lagoon of piranhas at times. If one goes into it expecting largely a comical regurgitation of political partisan punditry then one won't be as disappointed. If one actually stimulates some thoughtful discourse and useful exchange of ideas from time to time, well then that's a bonus.
I simply thought that the shift away from the DNC as a means of fund raising for Democrats given the reported gravity of the upcoming midterms was interesting. I'm honestly not sure what to make of it and was hoping to hear some thoughts on why the shift and what it means for the party and for the two party system in general.
I think both parties are getting nervous about the increasing trend toward "independent" voters across the country and across an array of demographics. Since 2014 independent voters have outnumbered both Democrat and Republican voters and those numbers are quickly climbing ( In 2017, 37% independent, 33% D and 26% R ). So the loud hard-line partisans are out in force scrambling to maintain the two party monopoly, but I think what we are finding is that those loud, very vocal, sometimes hateful or even violent party extremists are actually accelerating the voter flight from the traditional two-party system. Time will tell, if we can manage not to kill each other in the meantime.
What if they watch all of it and then investigate the facts of the stories themselves to distill the truth from the spin? Unless one is an investigative journalist, how else does one arrive at an informed opinion when the mainstream new services are simply leading with their own ideological opinions/spin? Sometimes it is particularly interesting to investigate the stories being told by one source but then not by others.
For example, I linked to a Fox News story above regarding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez after her name was dragged into this conversation. The discussion was veering into how the Democratic party might be changing from the old guard toward some newer younger ideas and directions, which I think is great. Some think that Ocasio-Cortez might be the direction the party is headed and lets face it, the media has rather placed her on a sort of pedestal in that regard. Does anyone really stop to think about why that is? Is she any different than other politicians riding a wave of popularity and/or political correctness, or does she simply say what she thinks people want to hear without true conviction, like so many other politicians from both parties?
Well in the case of her siding with cab drivers/companies/unions and blaming Uber for the demise of that industry and even the suicide deaths of some cab drivers, she certainly displayed the sort of hypocrisy we have come to expect from D's and R's these days. As the Fox story reported, her campaign has indeed used Uber and other such car services extensively since she has come into the national spot-light. The evidence is indeed HERE . We take the time to investigate the words and actions of other politicians so that we can assemble an informed opinion, why not Ms. Ocasio-Cortez?
Cool, can you distinguish which ones watch all three as well ?
Far right wing fascism won't stop at any lie.
Perhaps, but how is that relevant to the seeded article?
It isn’t at all or in any way.
IMO, the DNC needs to grow a pair and establish a platform that doesn't include:
The DNC also needs to learn that there are tens of millions of Americans who live in states other than NY and CA.
Do they really need to learn that?
I'm kind of happy they seem incapable of learning it, myself.
Who knew insulting so many voters could work against you?
And maybe the Democratic nominee next time will do what Clinton tried to do, successfully----win the popular vote.
I'll take that all day long!
The actual Democrat party platform:
From beginning of your lengthy link:
It seems that neither Hillary nor Bernie got a copy of that 2016 platform, because they campaigned on identity politics and "free stuff" and still lost. Dems' 2018 Socialist "rising star" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez hasn't read it as well. Oh, well.
You might think that if you only watched FOX and other right wing pundit media, that is what they were telling you Democrats were running on. Sure, it was total bull shit, but why should that stop a great fake narrative coming from disingenuous talking heads, right?
Why derail your own comment 3.2 by bringing Fox News or me into this? You're the one who posted the 2016 DNC platform, so you should be able to defend it and prove that Hillary and Bernie followed it instead of their well-documented promotions of identity politics and "free stuff".
Do I really need to link you every DNC advertisement and the DNC speeches to prove they supported the list they themselves put forward and were supporting? Really? Why don't you prove your claim that Hillary and Bernie ran only on identity politics and supposed "free stuff"? You made a bogus claim that was what they ran on, I linked the actual platform they did run on and now you want some other evidence they didn't do what you claim they did but gave zero support of your bogus claim.
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo".
You made the claim:
"the DNC needs to grow a pair and establish a platform that doesn't include:"
Not a single lick of evidence, no links proving a single word.
You then claimed "they campaigned on identity politics and "free stuff". Again, not a lick of evidence to support your erroneous claim. I linked the evidence of what the party actually did support and what has been posted on their party website for almost two years and your only response is "you should be able to defend it". I did and you haven't presented any sort of logical or valid rebuttal, just more baseless hyperbole.
I never made that claim.
<sigh> There are more, but this will get you started:
AND ...
As for Bernie -- You can easily find articles about him promising "free" healthcare, education and other "free stuff" although he never tells his supporters that US taxpayers will fund his Socialism.
The actual Democrat party platform:
Shhhh...he's made up his mind, don't confuse him with the facts!!!
How cute. The only problem with your comment is that I provided facts and links regarding Hillary's and Bernie's 2016 campaign. Carry on!
You linked two right wing partisan opinion pieces from rag journalists and a NY times general opinion piece talking about the end of "identity liberalism". No where within did it actually support your claims that that's is what Bernie or Hillary were actually running on and all the topics they covered on the campaign.
Yowzers!! Better than, "A turd in the punchbowl."
To quote DJT,JR, "I love it."
Even though all of the Trump illegalities are all true?
Look like the Democrats need to pull Hillary out of mothballs for one last hurrah.
At least she can get some money donated to the DNC, since they seem to be having trouble doing it without her.
Say, maybe she'll end up buying the DNC off again!
Or putting them even deeper in debt. She was good at that too.
Well, to be honest, they were pretty bad off before she bought them off.
For the last thirty years Bill and Hillary Clinton have been big fundraisers for the DNC. It was my own experience though, that the DNC spent an inordinate amount of what it took in from donors trying to get those same donors to donate more. If you sent the DNC $200 it seemed they would then spend $2,000 soliciting another donation. That may be why more and more Democrats are giving directly to the candidates and the causes they support. That is what I am doing now and I am a lifetime member of the DNC. Trust me, despite all of the off base and falsely concerned dire news about Democratic finances coming from the far right wing nabobs of negativity, Democrats are confident and prepared, financially and otherwise, to deal the damn gop snake eyes on election day, Tuesday November 6th. The damn gop is in chaos while Trump and Company are all circling the proverbial crapper. In a mere ten weeks the Democrats are going to give the damn gop a historic whooping. Count on it...
Yeah, I heard that crap before--right before the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.
Still w-a-i-t-i-n-g.
If you intended on asking for evidence of what I portend then do feast your lousy eyes on this first...
Mind you, this was all before Trump's lawyer pled guilty and his campaign manager became convicted felons.
Trump's National Security Adviser, Flynn, and 2 ranking foreign policy advisers plead guilty helps Dems, too...
I'm just saying that I have heard it all before, and when I heard it. Still waiting for your prediction to come true.
As I am waiting for so many of the other predictions to come true.
Say, do you remember when a Democrat won a statewide election in Texas?
It is possible the Beto can give Cruz a run for his money; it is possible that Beto can win.
But I damn sure wouldn't be betting on him to win.
Without Trump on the ballot, how motivated will Democrats be, and will they come out in big enough numbers to throw the election to Beto?
"Hate Trump" as campaign strategy would probably work better if Trump was running and on a ballot.
Yeah yeah yeah we have heard all of that from you before also and like StarKist Tuna told that rank olde bugger, "Sorry Charlie". that is just not good enough. You are wrong this time, again. The SS Trump is sinking hard and fast by her stern while you cling vainly to her stern as she angles ever skyward. The Democrats need only take the House then peel of a few Big R Republicans who already hate Trump to impeach the criminal son of a no good lying polecat. You've got nothing to back up your swagger except olde bullshit. What credible proof do you have that the damn gop is not headed for a historic whooping on Tuesday November the 6th?
I am wrong again?
When was I wrong about an election?
Please do provide some info on that.
Will it take as long for you to provide that info as I will have to wait to see whether THIS prediction comes true?
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If you didn't mean to write what you did, and not expect a response, maybe you shouldn't have written it.
I am real sorry if asking you for proof of your claims is such a bother to you.
But as long as you make comments like that one, I will continue to call you out on them, like it or not.
You called me out? Don't flatter yourself. A quick perusal of both our comments above bear out what I said...
No Value
Really? Then it should be easy for you to point out where I was wrong instead of dodging the question.
Second chance at it...………….
An easier strategy was to find just once you were ever actually right on anything recently. I looked. Nothing...
About time the right wing get off its arse and prove something themselves. You think something is wrong----prove it. Link away or whatever it takes.
So, once again you have failed to prove what you posted.
Wow. I am shocked, shocked, I tell you!
He said I was wrong-again. And then couldn't name what I was wrong about.
Would you like to take a shot at answering for him?
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Using July polls to "predict" the outcome of a November election? That worked really well in 2016!
JBB -- the only "poll" that counts is the reality of voting day. Period.
Well JBB, all I can say is that headline sounds really familiar. From October 2016:
New poll shows Clinton over Trump by double-digits
Time will tell. The incumbent party often does not fare well in midterm elections, I mean Christ look at the historic swing in 2010 (biggest House seat swing since the 1938 midterms). And that rippled through state legislatures and governorships as well. Did you predict that one in July or August as well? Certainly that sort of swing sends a message. Let's see what sort of message Trump gets.
Can't take it? Skin a bit thin?
I think you are in for a rude awakening on November 7th. Most president's parties lose seats during their first mid-term. Trump though, being the most loathed and corrupt politician in, well, forever has Democrats and independents and Big R Republicans really motivated. As you say, "Time will tell". I expect it will be a bloodbath for the damn gop. Obama and the Democrats lost seats in his first mid-term and yet Obama's was a squeaky clean administration. In fact, the cleanest in history. On the other hand,Trump's campaign manager and his personal lawyer are now convicted felon and both of them have agreed to turn state's evidence against Trump as have his first National Security Director plus two ranking foreign policy experts who were all involved to their gills in Russiagate. Now Trump's financial consigliere is talking to Inspector Mueller, too. If you really believe all of those ranking Trump campaign and administration officials we know already were neck deep in Russian collusion and you still believe Trump knew nothing then Eric and Don Jr have a bridge in Brooklyn they want to sell you. It is a great deal and Vlad Putin has already approved the financing. I don't recommend it butt you are a grown up and should be able to tell what is and what is not true. That is, unless you are so blinded by partisanship that you have lost the ability to tell right from wrong. We have a certified scumbag as President. If that doesn't bother you, I give up...
Why would any of what you are predicting be a rude awakening for me? Where have I indicated that I don't think Trump is a "scumbag" as you so lovingly put it? He is a shit show of a human being and I could care less if he doesn't get re-elected in 2020. I will not vote for him then just like I didn't the first time.
But this article is about the midterms and he ain't going anywhere as any adult with a 6th grade grasp of Civics and American Government knows. I find it amusing that you will straw man my position on the man and then suggest that I am "blinded by partisanship" yet your diatribe is about as over the top partisan as it could be.
All I did was suggest that you were making grand predictions which in the past have fallen flat, so lets just wait and see how this turns out. Maybe you and your sources will be right this time, but I'm just saying that NONE of you predicted the record swings in the midterm of Obama's first administration and we know now that those swings didn't happen in a vacuum or for no reason. Time will tell if the voters feel the same as you do and hit Trump with the same level of political push-back. Me, I will vote for the local politicians that I think will do the best job for my community, not just the fodder to derail the one politician that I hate.
They scoff but there is a BLUE WAVE coming. I have no problem admitting I'm a Democrat/ Liberal/Progressive who is no longer rolling over and playing nice anymore. I know there's many Republicans/Moderates/Indepenents who never voted Democrat before who you can bet your ass will be voting against Rump November 6th.
But, 'we'll see what happens' won't we?
Not standing united with their fellow patriots against Trump and the damn gop November 6th makes them truly deplorable.
It is not like a damn one of the gopper bums in Congress has had the guts or the balls to stand up to The King of Vulgaria.
This is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their country . Vote Early. Vote Often. Vote Democratic...
Far right wing fascism is always wrong.
Your reply in relation to my post makes zero sense. Please try again.
Well, since the Koch brothers bailed out on the GOP because of trump, maybe they will donate to the dems... I know I won't.
Thank GOD! Does this mean no more incessant whining about the Koch Brothers from the left wing blogosphere?
Don't be silly. That horse has been beat to death and brought back to life at least a couple of dozen times by now!
Yep. Them dems better get their act together.
About time they start promising no more healthcare, more tax cuts for corporations and the well heeled, build that damn wall all the way to China and Africa, outlaw solar panels and electric cars, abolish public education and make it private for profit along with the prisons, military, infrastructure, and everything else the government is involved in, and lastly---if a woman gets pregnant she will be ordered under federal law to bear that child regardless of her personal, moral, state of health/mind or financial position. And if she gets pregnant while employed her employer has every right to fire her for the inconvenience she is creating.
Vote GOP. My Attorney Got Arrested.
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Probably work at least as well as the last campaign strategy did for the Democratic nominee for president.
I say go for it!
Well, it worked well for the Republican candidate for president.
yeah, except no one ever won campaigning on that stuff, and you are smart enough to know that.
Well, you just have to word it right.
So, the question is, where is the wall and, why isn't Mexico paying for it? Isn't that what Trump promised?
Please show me where Trump campaigned on forcing women to give birth, or to give employers the right to fire a woman that becomes pregnant, outlaw solar panels and electric cars, no more healthcare, or abolishing public education.
It was I who stated that.
Answer; don't listen to what they say, listen to what they do.
Gorsuch. Kavanaugh.
Yes, I know you stated it.
Nothing wrong with Gorsuch or Kavanaugh except you don't like them because Trump nominated them.
Not really. Ask the truck driver.
Yawn.
Kavanaugh has been upheld 13 times by the SCOTUS and only reversed once by them.
Gorsuch was reversed once by SCOTUS.
You realize, don't you, that the trucker won his case?
And if you have read Gorsuch's dissent, it was very well thought out and reasoned.
The trucker was told to stay put. He voiced concerns over the safety of the operation of his truck. The company told him not to operate it. He did anyways, which is why he was fired.
The first link has to do with tariffs, not about ending solar energy.
The second link has to do with energy policy.
The 3rd link has to nothing to do with ending public education.
The last link is talking about a 13% reduction in the number of employees at the Dept. of Education.
In my mind, when govt. can do away with some jobs, that means those jobs were probably wasteful anyways.
Really, none of your links show that Trump ran on anything we were talking about, but I'll give you credit for at least trying.
Yes. On appeal. Gorsuch sided with the corporate, not the common worker. End of story.
Oh, man!
Do you know anything about that case?
Look, the trucker won his case. Gorsuch's ruling had ZERO effect on the trucker's case. The trucker WON in the court Gorsuch was on.
The TRUCKING COMPANY is the one who filed an appeal, which SCOTUS denied.
In reality, since Gorsuch was the dissenting opinion, but the majority held a different opinion that was upheld by SCOTUS, it is rather debatable if Gorsuch was ever really even overturned by SCOTUS since his opinion wasn't the ruling one. He CERTAINLY has never been in the majority opinion and had it overturned by SCOTUS.
You should research these types of cases instead of talking about them with no inkling of what the rulings were.
End of story?
That IS a real whopper of a story!
Got any more?
Politics (like most things) tend to go in sine waves. All folk with an IQ over 100 can't stand this fool of a president.
With any luck, Somebody will come to the forefront that most of us can agree on.
I'm still waiting to see the Dems gameplan for 2020. Let's see November 2020 is just a bit over 2 years away. Who is running? The only candidate I've seen so far is 'Trump Sucks' and Hillary on the never ending excuse tour.
Do they think that not presenting a candidate is a winning plan?
BTW, for JBB, I wasn't able to reply to your comment above, but you said that becuase of CU that elections are bought and paid for (I'm condensing your comment a bit), but in the same breath you make the case that even with all that against her, Ocasio-Cortez was able to win agaisnt them......if the first part is rtrue, how could the 2nd part happen?
Just came across this:
Seems she is like any other politician - full of hypocrisy......Different window dressing, same old trash inside.
"Does this indicate distrust of the party as a whole or simply some significant division within the party?"
I Just see a "Change" in a direction that only fits the youngsters that haven't lived "REAL" life yet. They will regret it when they see what's left in their paychecks if they keep pushing this New Uber Left "AGENDA" ! Bet they don't get that "Apartment in the City" they so wanted. This ain't no Norway or Sweden.
Question: Do you actually believe spending hours a day online bashing one political party or another is actually a "REAL" life?
(Curious minds want to know!)
How young do you think I am ?
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