These are the Trump associates who’ve pleaded guilty in the Mueller probe. ..... So far.
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Paul Manafort , President Donald Trump’s former campaign chair , pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice on Friday.
He now joins the growing — and jaw-dropping — list of people in Trump’s orbit who have pleaded guilty to crimes related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.
Here’s the list:
- Michael Flynn , Trump’s national security adviser, on one count of lying to the FBI
- Rick Gates , Trump’s former deputy campaign manager and Manafort protégé, on one count of conspiracy against the United States and one count of making false statements to FBI agents
- George Papadopoulos , a low-level Trump foreign policy adviser, for making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign
- Michael Cohen , Trump’s former lawyer and fixed who committed campaign finance violations related to hush money payments he made to porn actress Stormy Daniels
- And now Manafort .
Let’s be clear about what all of this means: There are now five people who worked for Trump — both at the very top and the near bottom — who have admitted to committing serious crimes (none of which, crucially, are about colluding with Russia during the 2016 presidential election).
But it’s also very possible that this list will grow as special counsel Robert Mueller continues his probe into the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with Russia.
As of now there is no public evidence that Trump himself committed a crime. But it’s increasingly clear that when he hired people, he wasn’t hiring the best.
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4. Stay on topic per the article
OK... so Trump has not yet shot anyone... and the fact that he has had so many crooks around him, and his followers don't care... seems to be pretty clear proof that he could!
CoC Rule: 4. Stay on topic per the article
This may not be entirely true, it seems that Manafort during his pleading yesterday admitted to working with a Ukrainian party that was pro-Russian to smear Hillary Clinton during the campaign by saying that she was pro-Russian. In the 18 pages of allocution that were presented yesterday Manafort admitted that he did work with a pro-Russian group out of the Ukraine to try to smear Hillary's name during the campaign.
Manafort does not get a "sweetheart" deal with Mueller, he has to testify, talk to Mueller without his lawyers present, turn over all information he has in his possession, to the satisfaction of Mueller before he is sentenced for as many years as Mueller deems proper, then he gets to be sentenced to his prison term and, gets to start serving it. In the mean time he gets to enjoy the hospitality of the federal government in prison.
Wait and see....
It would seem that the New York Post ran the story, I'll have to check the history.
Manafort was the pro-Russian former Prime Minister Yanukovych henchman - he promoted Yanukovych as a pro western leader until the 'coup' in 2014 ..
I guess I am missing out on what some of the differences are between hiring someone to find dirt on an opponent and using the 'Russian connection' to do so … how is hiring someone different than having actual connection with a Russian? I do not think there has been any link found between the Trump administration - even those that have already made deals - and collusion with Russia to fix he election for Trump .. has there been? [life has been a bit crazy as of late - so I may have missed something that has unfolded]
I had to laugh (a lil) at this .. no evidence of wrong doing - but he did not higher the best …. yeah he did, he hired the best at what they do .. it is just now becoming clear what it is the 'best' he hired actually does!
What is implied by the plea deal is that Manafort conspired with the Russians to plant a story in the New York Post that stated that Hillary was working with the Russians, during the campaign in order to smear her and, to cause her to lose, that is fixing the campaign for her opponent to win the election and, that is illegal. Manafort admitted this happened when he was Trumps campaign manager.
Thanks Mr. G ..
I went looking and did not find the New York Post mentioned .. I did find an article by the Washington Post about Breitbart publishing a story attacking Clinton .. but I have not found the Breitbart article yet, well at least not anything current and cannot open the Washington Post article, that says it is 18 hours old.. I will find it...
I did find this in the guardian .. says the article was last updated 21 hours ago
I understand, I heard all of this on Rachel Maddows show last night. I just went there and, they had a link to the pdf on the documents from the hearing, I'm posting them here for anyone interested, there's 18 pages so, don't expect a quick find.
Well, I was wrong about it being a smear of Hillary working with Russians, it was actually to be an article saying that Hillary was anti-Semitic, from the pdf file I posted,
This is from page 22, so, the pdf is longer than I originally said as well.
I read the whole thing .. just skipped the tables provided...
That is from 2012 .. and it was Yanukovych's opponent that was cast as anti Semitic .. Obama was up for reelection and Manafort was pushing the narrative that Yanukovych was pro western ... Manafort was in a way 'black mailing' Obama - I believe that Obama supported Tymoshenko in the upcoming election in the Ukraine..
Sorry my copy/paste is out of order .. the top fit better on the bottom? : )
I believe you are right, Obama wasn't falling for the blackmail thing, I think he figured his rep among the voters was already made one way or, the other and, just decided to let it happen. Gotta love "No Drama Obama".
I think Manafort is totally fried here, what happens next depends on what he can give to Mueller on this.
Agreed he is fried, yet this matter with the Ukrainian election and the pressure applied to Obama is probably just a small finish nail in the big scheme of things regarding what Manafort did as Yanukovych henchmen, when one takes into account the money laundering etc..
Going to be interesting to see how things unfold … I keep wondering if there is nothing Manafort has to offer regarding a Trump involvement - is the investigation over? I am on the edge of my seat to find out what role if any Trump has played : )
Jumping in on this if you don't mind. You seemed informed on this better than most inventing these charges as something recent.
Company A and B on this. One being Tony Podestas company we know... we haven't heard anything about them yet but it was enough to close down his shop. I'm curious what will come of them.
It's not over, yet, but, it's about to get interesting I think, remember Manafort was one of the people involved in the Trump Tower meeting, he helped to plan it and, he was in the room when Jared, Eric and, Don Jr. met with the Russians, he would also be able to tell Mueller if Trump knew of it before the meeting and, if the Russians met with him before or, after the meeting.
I am watching what happens with Podesta .. things are tight lipped .. nothing is current. Podesta has been linked to Manafort since sometime in 2017 .. it is Podesta Group and Mercury that are A and B..
Things that I have read .. with is as current as July of this year, is that Mueller is aggressively pursuing Podesta's Ukraine connection as well .. yet also in July .. it was said that Podesta was offered immunity to testify against Manafort...….. Oooo but come to think of it, nothing is current - July was way pre plea agreement with Manafort … so everything is upside down now .. wait, see and speculate is where 'we' are now... !
If Trump himself met with Russians on the same day?
Should read 2012 not 2017
Or within a day or, two before or, after the meeting. It comes back to the question asked about Nixon, "What did the president know, and, when did he know it?"
Agreed .. thanks for the clarification .. The president has had some difficulty with memory on that one, for sure …. Manafort is smart though .. I can see him keeping the president [then candidate] oblivious leading up to the meeting ... [but after the fact...?]
Papadopoulos was not successful in getting a meeting with the Russians to take place … would have to go back and check old links, but I believe it was Manafort that shut that down quickly..
I cannot even remember when Trump said he found out about the tower meeting .. not going to look it up either .. I do my damn'dest to tune that individual out. I do not know how anyone can hang on his every word .. I would be whacky in prob less than an hour...
Manafort's success in rigging Yanukovych's election through the use of social media is the model they used with Trump.
Yep. And you know what's amazing about that? Manafort's efforts in getting Yanukovych elected were not, nor have they ever been, a secret. Not only that, but he has been lobbying for Russian causes in Washington for years. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if his real name was Paulef Manafortesky.
Even Manafort's daughters know that he's evil:
Manafort does not get a "sweetheart" deal with Mueller, he has to testify, talk to Mueller without his lawyers present, turn over all information he has in his possession, to the satisfaction of Mueller before he is sentenced for as many years as Mueller deems proper, then he gets to be sentenced to his prison term and, gets to start serving it. In the mean time he gets to enjoy the hospitality of the federal government in prison.
Unless Trump pardons him . . .
Wow!
According to those involved, there is something not publicized that makes this deal pardon proof.
300,000 Hacked text messages.. that were allegedly sent in 2015 and released in 2017..?
It was Manafort that stimulated the violence that began in mid February 2014 .. and ended in a coup that ousted his candidate? Manafort was the mastermind? I do not understand .. I have to be missing something in what Andrea is alleged to be communicating... was not Manafort working for the other side, that sent the cops out to try and stop the 'revolts and what not?'
Trump cannot pardon state convictions
And, so, we see why Trump cannot pardon Manafort and, why Manafort decided to help Robert Mueller, it still is something that he won't be sentenced until Mueller is satisfied with the information that Manafort gives him and, has testified in court to that information. It would seem to me, if I were in Manafort's shoes, it would benefit me to not play around with the information and, to turn it over as fast as I can and, as accurately as I can so I can get sentence sooner.
Trump can pardon Manafort on the federal charges .. but it most likely would not stop Manafort from serving more time .. I have read so much since Friday .. things are blurring together.. but this is from the same article I linked you from slate .. it is a bit of a biased publication so take this with a grain of salt … but, it is said that:
I think that is a wee bit of a pipe dream .. I do not think pardoning Manafort would do anything other than cause him [Trump] to be more criticized than he is now .. if that is even possible... all remains to be seen though - at this point it would seem most anything could happen..
Here's the real problem with this idea of a pardon, if Trump grants a pardon, Manafort can refuse it, especially if he knows he will be immediately sentence to the full time of the state crimes he has admitted to. Remember he admitted in D.C. to all 18 charges in Virginia so, that alone is over ten years in prison he would get and, I'm sure the state of Virginia would be willing to throw the book at him if he accepted a pardon from Trump.
No, she was talking about Yanukovych's brutal response to civil unrest and apparently Manafort's daughters think that he was involved in that decision to use deadly force. As they observed about their dad, he has "no moral or legal compass."
Thank you, I have since been able to read the article you linked .. was unable to open it last night. I read multiple sources on the texts last night, but read nothing pertaining to Yanukovych ...
I find it to be a stretch that Manafort influenced Yanukovych, I concede that he may have "no moral or legal compass" .. but in a world when it is necessary to have one to blame, anything goes? .. his daughters hacked texted can be interpreted several ways .. she said:
your link says
So was it Manafort's influence that sent out the security forces? If so, they were not slaughtered.. perhaps Andrea's alleged texts will never make sense to me - I know I am not seeing what others are...
Here is a reminder of those days in February …
Manafort? even as a decade long advisor … I am thinking his influence was not even on the radar.. just my speculative interpretation …. Manafort is receiving his punishment for the things he is guilty of (or at least most of them .. as he should be) I do not think the events in Kiev in February 2014 are one of those things … but I could be wrong
I know what he has plead guilty to in DC … I still think Manafort has to be still tried and convicted in the States that opt to bring charges against him …
From the link I provided in 1.1.26
Colour, my point in stating what I did was to say that Manafort would have to be dumber than Trump to accept a pardon at this stage of the game, it would be better to keep his deal with Mueller and, turn over all that he knows and, has in connection to Russian meddling to Mueller and, to tell Trump where to go and, how to get there.
The point is that Manafort's own daughters do believe that he has that degree of influence. Whether he actually does I have no way of knowing.
So many Rump supporters keep saying there is no there there
obviously, just a bunch of coinciding coincidences ,
we're all sure,
could never form any sort of correlation,
that could ever make it appear,
at least to his defenders here at NT,
the Golden Toilet Fellow,
according to them, is incapable of colluding with Russia,
as he and Mueller, slowly keep churning out the evidence
that they, somehow think, they can eternally deny
The Most Corrupt Administration in History follows on the heels of The Cleanest Administration in History...
Zero Obama campaign or administration officials have ever been indicted for malfeasance in office. Not one.
Meanwhile, the Trumpsters set the bar for their man as low as it can go: They are boasting that he himself won't be indicted.
That's pretty awful when you think about it...
Lack of evidence?
Thanks to Galen Marvin Ross for posting the link to the charges against Manafort. It demonstrates again what a corrupt totalitarian government we have.
Money you make overseas should never be taxed by our government. It shows that there is nowhere you can go in the world that the government doesn’t seek control of our lives.
That's not what our laws say, but it sounds like you might have some experience in that area. Did you try to defraud the IRS like Manafort did? Wesley Snipes tried the same thing and got caught.
The 'pastor' supposedly spends a lot of time overseas. Me thinks he doth protests too much.
No. I I have paid taxes on money earned overseas. That doesn’t mean I can’t speak out that taxing overseas income is tyrannical
furthermore I have paid income taxes for 57 years. But that doesn’t prevent or disqualify me from agreeing with our founders that an income is part of tyrannical government
You said that it "demonstrates again what a corrupt totalitarian government we have", despite the fact that the tax code was duly passed by your elected representatives.
So it's not clear what you think is "corrupt", "tyrannical" or "totalitarian" about that. It sounds instead like it was representative democracy in action, and you just like to whine a lot.
The founders stated that taxing income is tyrannical. It matters not that power hungry politicians would eagerly vote to steal what people earn