The Frankenstein Unleashed by the Democratic Party Threatens Us All
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To most Americans, a large group of black-clad individuals blockading the streets and harassing motorists who disobey their commands would, quite naturally, be considered a mob. This also would be an apt and reasonable name given to groups of people stalking and screaming at others dining in a restaurant, destroying public monuments, or throwing Molotov cocktails in protest of speakers at a college campus. After all, by definition, a mob is “a large and disorderly crowd of people,” especially those “bent on riotous or destructive action”; and, these incidents are such examples. As we lawyers say, res ipsa loquitur , “the matter speaks for itself.”
The problem is, the Mainstream Media and congressional Democrats are not most Americans. In their Liberal La-La Land, like at CNN , one dares not speak “the ‘M’-word” (“mob”) when commenting on events such as these. To these pundits, those roaming gangs and shouting crowds are not mobs, but merely concerned citizens understandably “motivated” by the dangerous actions of the Trump Administration.
Herein lies the existential crisis for Democrats, and the dirty little secret they refuse to acknowledge openly -- is mob rule what Democrats have become? And is it what our country is becoming?
Since their 2016 trouncing, Democrats have strayed far from their Party’s traditional bread and butter issues like education and civil rights; pursuing instead a strategy exclusively focused on stoking emotional outbursts from their base . We hear less and less from Democrats about specific policy solutions for how they will fix anything, and increasingly more paranoid shouting that “ people will die ” with every move Trump and the GOP make. Therefore, in whatever twisted logic now passes for strategy in the Democratic Party, if every Trump decision is a death blow to something or someone, then aggressive resistance is an appropriate, if not a “morally imperative,” response.
This sheer lunacy, echoed by elected Democrats back to unhinged activists who believe Trump is responsible for even the most petty of offenses ( like a toddler being knocked over ), not surprisingly has morphed into the political upheaval we see today. Refusal by Democrats to accept this reality is akin to Dr. Frankenstein losing control over the monster he created; but in this, the very real world of 21 st Century America, their antics put real people and real property at great and immediate risk. This is no 19 th Century novel or mid-20th Century Hollywood movie.
Scenes from the streets of Portland this month, where masked ANTIFA cowards took over the streets and battered motorists who dared defy them, were gut-wrenching to watch. More pathetic still was to see Portland’s Mayor Ted Wheeler roll-over and surrender to the mob overtaking his city. Unfortunately, Wheeler is not the first Democratic local leader trying to pacify violent leftists by giving them “space.” U.C. Berkeley let the mobs roam free without police intervention, as did the mayor of Charlottesville during the Unite the Right rally and counter-protests last year.
These protestors, however, as vapid as their political arguments may be, are not the stupid ones; Wheeler and his hand-wringing colleagues are. By abdicating their sworn duty to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens from mob violence, these poor excuses for elected leaders not only endanger their constituents but undermine the very fabric of a civilized society. The message their passivity conveys clearly to the mob is weakness and tolerance; which, as is well-understood by responsible parents, simply encourages more bad behavior.
The chaos countenanced by the Wheelers in positions of authority is made worse still when police chiefs order their officers to stand down and simply watch the looting and violence. Complicit also are local prosecutors who refuse to charge those responsible. How long before mobs shouting down United States Senators and their spouses at restaurants, in airports, or at their own homes, gives way to throwing objects instead of epithets?
Whether voters will be as stupid as these elected and appointed officials, remains to be seen; but we will learn much in answer to that question when the votes are in on November 6 th . Nonetheless, the muted reactions to the goings on in Portland, the cheers a rant by Rep. Maxine Waters provokes, and the applause a childish antic by “Beto” O’Rourke receives, offer clues as to where many Democrat voters seem to be headed.
God help us if a majority of voters in key congressional districts, and in states with Senate seats and governorships up for grabs, vote with these mob enablers.
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“ How long before mobs shouting down United States Senators and their spouses at restaurants, in airports, or at their own homes, gives way to throwing objects instead of epithets?
Whether voters will be as stupid as these elected and appointed officials, remains to be seen; but we will learn much in answer to that question when the votes are in on November 6th. Nonetheless, the muted reactions to the goings on in Portland, the cheers a rant by Rep. Maxine Waters provokes, and the applause a childish antic by “Beto” O’Rourke receives, offer clues as to where many Democrat voters seem to be headed.”
The lack of comity and civility coming from the secular progressive left is a clear and present danger to the republic.
I will happily perform my duty as a patriotic American by vigorously defending the US Constitution if and when religious activists attempt to remove any existing right from any secular American citizen. No mercy, no guilt, no regrets.
Agreed
it is the Godless left that seeks to trample on our natural rights
it is they, not conservative Christians seeking to disarm us
it is they, not conservative Christians that seeks to reverse hundreds of years of sacred principle of innocent until found guilty
it is they, not conservative Christians that seek to restrict and/or destroy the right of freedom of association (except for communist unionism)
it is they, not, conservative Christians that seek to destroy individualism and replace it with statist forced collectivism
it is the Godless left that seeks to destroy the traditional family and marriage
it is the Godless left sees Christianity no longer the foundation of our moral character, but a threat to their Godless Marxist Statism
they despise everything that made this an Exceptional and unique country in the history of mankind
Welcome to America, where your religious beliefs are equal to my religious beliefs, and both are equal to no religious beliefs. Don't like it? You're free to leave.
So are you.
not until hunting season is over.
You can hunt just about anywhere.
I'm counting on it. No license and no limit.
Well, isn't that just great for you?
Congrats!
Have fun!
it is. thanks. I will.
Is the Spanish Inquisition, thieving televangelists and pedo' priests/youth ministers examples of the Christian morality that you are referring to?
Tocqueville wasn't the rabid Christian that you seem to believe that he was.
it was the "Godless left" that decided same sex couples should have equal secular legal rights of Marriage and decided that a family with children being raised by grandparents, or same sex parents, or aunts and uncles, or single parents, etc, is equal to the "traditional" family - isn't that terrible that the "Godless left" is letting those children be loved and have a home without trying to denigrate them because they don't have a "traditional" family ?
Nowhere did I say they arent
Nowhere did I state or even suggest that he was a Christian. A real straw man on your part.
what I cited was his observations on America and Americans
Thanks for validating my point
Don't ya just love internet Rambo's?
They're tough with their popguns and keyboards!
so you disagree with same sex couples having the same legal equal secular right of Marriage, and that families that don't have two opposite sex parents aren't equal nor worthy enough to be called a family ?
There is no such thing as same sex marriage. It’s an abomination to the Lord
i do not agree with homosexual couples raising families.
Got that from the Bible, eh?
You know that the Bible is okay with slavery. Not really all that wise to blindly adopt the morality expressed in the Bible.
There is no teaching by Jesus or the Apostles approving of slavery. The teaching of Jesus is God’s desire for all people to live in liberty
Excuse me, Lfod, but that utterance is a lie:
Your disagreement is noted, but irrelevant.
Marriage was created by Jesus in the Garden of Eden as you well know. Immoral governments sanctioning rebellion against God does not change what I stated that God calls it an abomination
as to salvation, so you are defending the leftist argument that Jesus was wrong about who and how one is saved?
as a Christian you are supposed to follow Jesus not Government on moral issues. I care not what law says if it conflicts with God
“But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:29
Slavery was replete during the time of the OT and the NT (and beyond). So during the time where Jesus is said to operate, slavery was commonplace. Yet where do you see God (Jesus) condemning the practice of owning another human being as property? You do not. This is a golden opportunity to impart good moral lessons yet Jesus is almost silent on the matter except for passages against slave traders and passages that include slaves as commonplace and normal. Slavery is essentially accepted in the NT. Turning a deaf ear to slavery all around is tacit approval.
And then we have Yahweh of the OT and a total failure to condemn slavery as immoral. The OT shows Yahweh (God) making rules for slavery such as:
Beyond condoning the beating of the slave (as long as the slave does not die from his/her beatings within a couple of days) God ends this rule of slavery by affirming that the slave (a human being) is the property of another human being.
Do you consider this God condemning the practice of slavery or accepting it?
Note that you are equating Yahweh of the OT to God. And you are also holding Yahweh's positions in the OT such as:
... to be God's word. So on the topic of slavery @ 1.1.26 you have no option to focus only on Jesus while ignoring Yahweh. You have equated them as both God.
Jesus openly proclaimed that He came to proclaim liberty
“So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.” Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Luke 4:16-21
Jesus is YHWH. But The Laws of Moses apply only to the Jews not Christians
“The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Luke 16:16
Romans 10:3,4
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law
Hebrews 7:22-28
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant ,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
YHWH is God who also came in the flesh 2000 years ago as Jesus. This is foundational to Christianity
But the Covenant with the Jews NEVER applied to Gentiles and was made obsolete by Jesus (see 1.1.28)
Not the point. This has nothing to do with old and new covenants. It is about God's moral lessons to His creatures. By example, and by absence of action.
God acknowledged and supported slavery in the OT. God did not condemn slavery as immoral yet the practice was replete. And God (Jesus) did not condemn slavery as immoral in the NT either (albeit He was far kinder than Yahweh).
Per God, is slavery moral or immoral? The Bible clearly shows that God allows worldwide slavery without a single condemnation of the practice of a human being owning another as property. God never condemns slavery as immoral. Not condemning such a wide spread, well-known practice is a moral endorsement.
Now if you really want to rebut this point, show me the passage where God condemns the widespread practice of slavery as immoral. ( You know it does not exist. ) Slavery conducted on a routine basis yet no condemnation from God even though God is very interested in minute details such as diet, sex and weaves of cloth and even demands death sentences for infractions such as homosexuality.
well SCOTUS and the USA seems to disagree with you, thankfully we don't live in your version of a theocracy that you apparently crave where same sex marriage doesn't exist.
thanks for showing off your bias against same sex couples - denigrating families that you don't agree with isn't very "Christian" is it ?
Namecalling is irrelevant - brother in the faith. As to your point—you did not list one to consider.
We who?
It is Peter, the other apostles, and each and every believer's duty: To obey God.
However, the world, its nations, do not place themselves under any such direct obligation. Indeed, the outside world, the nations, are not empowered spiritually to perform any religious rites and duty.
Namecalling is irrelevant - brother in the faith. As to your point—you did not list one to consider. As to Jesus and salvation:
A. As further connotation that salvation is not universal, the other two condemned men are considered 'left behind.'
The world is not empowered to lead a Christian life. It is impractical to hold an expectation that non-believers outside the faith can perform tenets and creeds of the faith while they remain powerless to do so.
How is LGBT marriage any different from any other marriage? If a couple chooses not to have children or cannot have children is their marriage also not valid? Is the 2nd marriage between 2 widowers or divorcees also not valid?
There are numerous religions that say that your claims are wrong and all are equally valid because they all have the same religious rights in the US.
How has your life been changed because LGBT couples have the same marriage rights that you and I have always enjoyed? How many gay couples have you been forced by the government to marry?
Oh yes. Their Rambo rants and cleverly worded death wishing of their religious and political opposition. So special.
Wow. Nice speech. Listen, history called, and you need to go back a couple of centuries, they miss you.
I bet in your ministry, you're in charge of fire-and-brimstone and fund raising.
"It is they, not conservative Christians......"
Oh hell, who spilled the beans?
All this time we pretended we were into peace, freedom and justice and all hated guns when we were secretly going to military training camps (disguised as "vacations," "going to the gym" or especially "goin' camping") for training and up-date training in murder, shooting and explosives devices and assorted detonators as well as how to make them. AND we don't like playing around with anything NOT fully automatic, I can tell you. "We" even have a few fully armed and operational tanks stashed in several places around the country, waiting for just the right moment. Tell me where you've heard this before:
We gonna start killin' them in the mornin', so we can be done by noon.
*hint: wasn't a democrat.
We even told the democrat veterans not to say much about being vets, keeping any experience secret like.
YAAAAAHAAAAAHAHAHA the democrats comin', gonna get ya gonna get ya..
Really?
Conservatives must hate Halloween, everything scares them so easily. Might be because they're always worked up?
We have never done fundraising
Then what does your ministry run on?
voluntary tithes and offerings most likely.
LOL
Like I said, fund raising, by any name you choose.
When did the Antifa become an endorsed member of the DNC? What kind of person doesn't vehemently oppose fascism?
Well, if that's true, I guess the RNC supports the KKK and Neo-Nazi's.
No. They are creations of the democrat party and socialism.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer would probably argue that they do.
How are Neo-Nazis or the Klan socialist, if you understand what the economic concept of socialism?
The Klan are not socialist. The Nazis are.
From their own website. Let me know if any of these things are economic policies conservatives would support.
They sound like real capitalists./S
The only reason the Klan and Nazis get along now is they are too stupid to realize outside of their hatred of other races, religions, and gays they are polar opposites. Remove their common outside hatred and they would turn on each other.
I don't know if this newly married couple will last. Outside their love of horses, long walks on the beach, favorite color blue, infatuation with line dancing, both sharing the same birthdate, their families who love and get along with each other and their shared love of fishing and camping, they are polar opposites. One likes the toilet seat up and the other likes it down. Remove their common outside love for the same things and they would turn on each other.
The KKK and neo-Nazi's share a lot in common regardless of their minor differences, they are truly a match made in hollars. They all seemed quite simpatico as the large crowd of them were chanting "Jews will not replace us!" together, not even a hint of conflict among them, they even coordinated their swastika flag waving in amongst the confederate flag waving.
Gee, I donno. How about how long before any given crazy cracks and shoots up a mall or movie theater or school? Maybe kill their family for good measure? Whatyathink? Which one will happen soonest?
(I thought that might be a easier question.
Oh, and the Donald himself said "innocent till proven guilty", although he was talking about one of his friends at the time. but HE did say it, so believe and obey.
It appears to be nothing more than a gigantic left temper tantrum.
But is anyone really shocked by it?
Haven't we all seen the threat to democracy they pose?
Did you read the article? It's not the left that's constantly crying.
Sure they are.
It is what they do.
I've read articles where businesses are fleeing downtown Portland, partly because of Antifa hijinx but mostly due to threats from violent homeless people. I wonder how long before these Left Coast cities turn into barren ghost towns or start to resemble parts of the world where only the wealthy elite can travel around with paid mercenaries to protect them.
Oh, did you miss this proudly republican group of violent racists? Here, enjoy one of the right's prizes, the Proud Boys (what an asinine name). And we haven't forgotten all your skinheads and neo-nazis. Oh, and those ARMED welfare cowboys who take over OUR LAND. Put your own house in order, they are actually killers. And I am against violence on both sides in this video, by the way. But I'm for the protests (women are so scary when they are angry, but really, republicans are embarrassing themselves by trying to make them into mobs. When will conservatives deal with their own? When dems fuck up, they get the boot. When gop fucks up, they circle the wagons to protect the perp and gaslight everyone else, keeping the effer upper and promoting him (always a him).
Kind of funny how every time there's a supposedly "right wing" group using violence there just happens to be a left wing group eager to join in, isn't? But thanks for using the "but they do it too" argument. Last I checked no GOP members of the House were urging confrontation like Mad Maxine or saying civility will only happen once the Dems win like Crooked Hillary. The calls for violence are coming from Democrat leaders.
The Proud Boys, The GOP And 'The Fascist Creep'
NEW YORK — Gavin McInnes, the founder of the violent neo-fascist gang the Proud Boys, had a perplexing message for the Republican Party last Friday. “At the very least, people of the right,” he told a crowd inside the Metropolitan Republican Club ballroom, “let us scum in.”
It was a baffling thing to say, of course, because McInnes had been invited to speak at the club, a storied and stuffy mainstream conservative institution on Manhattan’s Upper East Side.
The Metropolitan Republican Club has historically been a place for the traditional elite . Over the past century, presidents, senators, governors and mayors have walked through its doors, including club members Teddy Roosevelt, Richard Nixon and Michael Bloomberg. But on Friday night, it was a hipster nationalist militant behind the club’s podium: McInnes, a hateful and vulgar vlogger from Canada who likes to play with his butt on camera .
McInnes, who co-founded Vice before leaving the media company in 2008, is now famous for the outlandish antics and bigotry he performs as an online talk show host. He uses slurs like “nigger” and “faggot,” once described transgender people as “gender niggers” and “stupid lunatics” and maligned Muslims as “stupid” and inbred. He has been pictured wearing a neo-Nazi band’s T-shirt , has a tattoo associated with that band , is chummy with white supremacists , writes for white supremacist websites and likes to throw up Nazi salutes . He also regularly incites his Proud Boy followers to commit violence . “Fighting solves everything,” he has said.
In 2018, under President Donald Trump, a person like McInnes is invited to speak at a popular Republican institution not despite his extremism but because of it. His invitation to the Metropolitan Republican Club, scholars of fascism said, shows Republicans’ increasing ease with what is essentially the militant, fascist wing of their party — an especially unnerving development, given Proud Boys’ penchant for violence.
Alexander Reid Ross, the author of Against the Fascist Creep, told HuffPost that “by inviting McInnes to their event, the Republicans are not only endorsing but encouraging his usage of extreme violence and facilitating associations between fascists and the radical right within the party.”
A list of speakers at the Metropolitan Republican Club over the past three years shows both established Republican politicians (including Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Ted Cruz of Texas), alongside extremist figures (including anti-immigrant fearmonger Ann Coulter , anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist Pamela Geller and James O’Keefe, the self-described “guerrilla journalist” behind the fraudulent far-right media outfit Project Veritas ). Also on the club’s list: Nazis’ favorite Fox News host , Tucker Carlson.
The club didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on why it has routinely hosted such extremist figures. On Sunday — reacting to outrage over Proud Boys assaulting leftist protesters after the McInnes event ended — the club issued a statement defending its decision to invite McInnes.
“We want to foster civil discussion, but never endorse violence,” club officials said. “Gavin’s talk on Friday night, while at times was politically incorrect and a bit edgy, was certainly not inciting violence.”
But McInnes started his speech at the club Friday by re-enacting the 1960 political assassination of Inejiro Asanuma, a leader of the Japanese Socialist Party, who was sliced open with a samurai sword on live television by a far-right ultranationalist. (In an Instagram post before the event, McInnes called the assassination an “inspiring moment.”)
According to the news site Bedford and Bowery , McInnes wore “glasses with caricatured Asian eyes drawn on the front” during the performance. In the audience, his Proud Boy acolytes — many of them in the group’s uniform of Fred Perry black shirts and red “Make America great again” hats — laughed and cheered.
A short time later, video footage shows dozens of those Proud Boys descending upon a much smaller group of anti-fascist protesters on a nearby sidewalk, punching and kicking them as they lay on the ground. They screamed “faggots” during the assault. One of the Proud Boys later boasted of beating up a “foreigner.”
The next day Proud Boys in Portland, Oregon, joined with another violent far-right gang, Patriot Prayer, to assault leftist protesters there. On Oct. 6, Proud Boys in Providence, Rhode Island, attacked counterprotesters at a Resist Marxism demonstration.
Shane Burley, the author of Fascism Today: What It Is and How to End It, said the Proud Boys are best understood as a part of the violent, racist skinhead movement “that extends back into the 1980s, taking white male rage and turning it against the most marginalized communities.” (Among those at McInnes’ speech Friday night were at least three members of local skinhead gangs to which Proud Boys have long been linked.)
Whereas past skinhead movements mostly failed to establish connections to a major political party, the Proud Boys have found success.
Politicians like Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), and former Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone have posed in photos with Proud Boys. In March, Stone asked Proud Boys to be his security detail at a Republican conference in Oregon. Ian Reilly, the Metropolitan Republican Club member who reportedly invited McInnes to speak there on Friday, is a campaign manager for Republican New York state Sen. Marty Golden.
Right-wing media outlets have been equally friendly. McInnes was a frequent guest on the Fox News show of Trump’s favorite conservative pundit, Sean Hannity. Fox News’ Carlson posed with the Proud Boys in a photo.
The Proud Boys were able to ingratiate themselves with the GOP, in part, by confusing traditional American notions of a hate group. McInnes, for example, publicly rejected the racist “alt-right” after the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia — where one person was killed after someone rammed a car into a group of counterprotesters — despite his closeness with rally speaker Richard Spencer and although a Proud Boy, Jason Kessler, organized the rally.
The Proud Boy’s public rejection of the “alt-right,” however tenuous, has allowed Proud Boys to attract men of color — a fact it loudly advertises to fend off accusations of extremism. But there are still white nationalist Proud Boys, and the group as a whole is still decidedly anti-feminist, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-transgender and anti-leftist. Mostly, it’s pro-Trump.
To join the Proud Boys, a man must declare, “I am a Western chauvinist, and I refuse to apologize for creating the modern world.” To become a fourth-degree Proud Boy, the highest level, McInnes said, members must “get beat up, kick the crap out of an antifa.”
David Neiwert, the author of Alt America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump, said the GOP’s embrace of the Proud Boys is reflective of the party’s “increasing spiral into the grip of far-right extremists, a process that has actually been taking place for more than a decade now but has increased dramatically since the GOP became the party of Donald Trump.”
“Trump has given all of these people permission, through word and deed, to be as hateful and violent and ugly as they want to be,” he said.
And it could get very ugly.
Historian Robert Paxton, the author of the seminal 2004 book Anatomy of Fascism, wrote that skinheads could “ become functional equivalents of Hitler’s SA and Mussolini’s squadristi only if they aroused support instead of revulsion.”
Paxton, of course, was writing in 2004, long before it was imaginable that a founder of Vice would be speaking at the Metropolitan Republican Club as the leader of a gang called the Proud Boys, praising a President Donald Trump.
America does not do a good job of tracking incidents of hate and bias. We need your help to create a database of such incidents across the country, so we all know what’s going on. Tell us your story .
That article would mean a lot more if a few weeks ago Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had not been sitting on the same stage as Louis Farrakhan, notorious bigot and anti Semite. If the Dems can embrace him then a few Republicans can listen to a couple of controversial figures for five minutes. At any rate the Huff Post is a notoriously biased and misleading site so I'll do my own research on these "Proud Boys" from non biased sources.
....Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky. – who was attacked by a neighbor and hospitalized with serious injuries last year – was exactly right when he asked recently: “Are Democrats paying to incite violence?”
Along with the mainstream media, George Soros, David Brock and company are aiding and abetting the violent eruption on the left.
Will former President Obama, former Vice President Joe Biden, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, or House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California stand up and say enough is enough?
I doubt they will.
The godmother of the anti-Trump resistance, Hillary Clinton, recently said that Democrats will only be civil if they win control of Congress in November. I guess that’s part of the reason why Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., now needs police protection.
The accusations against Stark portray him as the poster-boy for Democratic-financed harassment, violence and thuggery – but he’s far from alone.
Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters of California has angrily called for the harassment of members of President Trump’s Cabinet and other Trump administration officials.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was harassed at her home and in a restaurant by angry left-wingers.
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders and a group she was with were kicked out of a restaurant because she works for the president of the United States.
Two Republican candidates were assaulted in Minnesota...... https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/david-bossie-anti-trump-and-anti-gop-mobs-act-like-thugs-while-trump-hating-media-spare-them-criticism
What happened to the Bible mandate of Christians telling the truth?
The claim that Rand Paul was the victim of a partisan attack is a lie and you know it because I already exposed this claim as being non-partisan in a previous thread when you made the same claim. He was attacked by his neighbor because he is a slob.
Go for it. I don't give a shit
If that ever happens we can count on Republicans to start campaigning to abolish the electoral college. They would never allow low population coastal cities getting extra weight added to their votes through a messed up system that overturns the will of the majority if their rural towns had the majority of citizens living in them.
Naw--Republicans aren't the ones now screaming to abolish the EC because they lost few elections. That would be the whiny-ass Democrats who are calling for that.
What was that quote?
Something about failing to accept the results of elections is a threat to democracy?
Do you truly believe they wouldn't be if the situations were reversed? If in the last election we had barren deserted coastal cities with just a few handful of voters left who, due to the way the electoral college works, were able to give Hillary an electoral college win while Trump won the popular vote by several million but lost the election, you don't think Republicans would have been screaming to the high heavens about how unfair it was? I have no doubt they would have moved to ditch the electoral college by the midterms if Republicans at that time also controlled the house and Senate. And if you believe otherwise you're either really naïve or lack any knowledge of Republicans.
The only reason rural conservatives support the EC is because it currently benefits them and gives them extra rights and extra power. Their vote is worth more than mine because they live in a low population city/State and I live in a California coastal city. I am no less an American, I paid my taxes, I'm no less worthy of a vote and a voice than any other law abiding American, yet some people think just because they live in low population areas they should have greater representation than I get. But conservatives rub their greedy little hands at the prospect of having their votes count for 3 or 4 times what my vote counts as, and I can only assume they do this because they believe themselves somehow superior. This seems to also sync with the white supremacists views who also consider the Republican party their home.
And that's exactly the argument I would hear from conservative rural Americans if the situations were reversed. I have no doubt Republicans would be whining, moaning and complaining day in and day out until they got the legislators to make a change from an unequal system of governance that gave weighted votes to people who lived in deserted coastal cities.
Mere speculation on your part, while Democrats have actually DONE what you "think" Republicans would do.
See the difference? One is FACT, while the other is GUESSWORK and "would haves".
The EC bestows no more rights to anyone and if you claim it, prove it.
Name a right someone in Wyoming has that a Californian doesn't have.
You both have the SAME representation---two Senators and a Congressperson. To claim otherwise is lying.
It's pretty good speculation based on human nature and observable phenomenon. I'm just pointing out that to point the finger and claim some higher ground without ever having the shoe on the other foot is not only disingenuous, it's downright disgusting.
As for "rights" that some have that I don't have, I never questioned whether we have the same "rights", I questioned why we give more weight to one persons opinion (by giving their vote 3 or 4 times the power of others) than to another citizens opinion just because that person may live in a heavily populated city versus a low population rural small town. I think every vote should be equal, and the only ones who disagree are the ones whose vote counts for more, funny how that works.
If you didn't mean to write "rights", I'll accept your edit of your post, albeit only after I pointed it out to you.
Sorry, I have this bad habit of responding to what posters write instead of wearing my Kreskin hat and divining what they really meant.
And you will need for Democrats to win lots of elections to change the Constitution and do away with the EC.
Of course, when Democrats are in the majority, the pressing "need" to fix the EC will be gone.
LMFAO!
Actually, we just need a handful of additional States to pass State legislation that says they will give all of their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. We already have 165 electoral votes promised, we just need another 105 electoral votes before the popular vote winner will always win the electoral college. No change to the constitution needed.
The problem for you is that the combination of states pledged would only reverse a Democrat win in the EC but not the popular vote. Virtually no red states have pledged which means they won’t compel their electors to vote blue when the state voted blue. So if another Trump or Bush 43 1st election happens our states won’t hand the election over to the Hillary or Gore like popular vote winner.
If the States that combined total 270 electoral votes choose to vote for the popular vote winner in each Presidential election, then the popular vote winner will always win the election regardless of which party gets the "red States" who didn't pledge their electoral votes to the popular vote winner. The red States would only ever get their selected candidate a "win" by actually appealing to a majority of Americans, they could no longer simply control enough red districts in a purple State to garner enough electoral votes to steal a win for the majority vote loser.
So no, the "combination of States pledged" wouldn't only reverse a Democrat win in the EC. In fact, if we had those States pledged in the last election Hillary would not only have been the popular vote winner but also the electoral vote winner.
"11 states have pledged to give all of their Electoral College votes to the candidate the winner of the national popular vote, ensuring that something like the 2016 election never happens again."
"The 11 states signed have 172 Electoral votes among them"
So really we need just 98 more electoral votes to ensure a travesty like 2016 never happens again.
"The bill has passed a total of 36 legislative chambers in 23 states—most recently by a 21-14 vote in the Connecticut Senate, a 40–16 vote in the Arizona House, a 28–18 vote in the Oklahoma Senate, a 57–4 vote in New York Senate, a 37–21 vote in Oregon House, and a 26-16 vote in the New Mexico Senate. A total of 3,112 state legislators have either sponsored or cast a recorded vote for the bill."
"The bill ensures that every vote, in every state, will matter in every presidential election."
If we just get the 23 States that have already passed the legislation in their State houses we will make sure the gold painted turds like Trump never float to the surface of our government again.
The only people against it are those who do NOT want every vote, in every State, to matter. They don't believe in equality or that every American should have an equal voice and vote. They are fundamentally un-American and continue to wrongly believe that their voice and vote is or should be somehow superior to other Americans.
Good luck, you'll need it.
The very first time a Republican wins the popular vote, and blue states like California and New York HAVE to give all their electoral votes to the Republican. Democrats won't be able to file the paperwork fast enough to overturn that law!
Nope. If someone wins the majority they would have had to have gotten a large portion of voters from the blue States meaning they were a centrist candidate that didn't just appeal to xenophobes, homophobes, Islamaphobes and misogynists. I would have no problem having a centrist Republican as President, I'm not so partisan as to believe that there is a real difference between a centrist Democrat and a centrist Republican. The current EC enables the hyper-partisanship we find ourselves with where an extremist on either side can win as long as they garner just enough electoral votes from the right combination of district's, the majority of American be damned.
Yeah---watch what happens if that plan is ever functional.
If a Republican wins with, say, a 48-47% margin, blue states like Cali will scream bloody murder that ALL their EC VOTES WILL GO TO THE REPUBLICAN.
As a Californian I relished and celebrated that Hillary got 4 million more votes here and lost the presidency anyway. We love it that the votes of our coastal urban neighbors we don’t want were next to worthless. Watching them all whine was perfect retribution for the way they govern this state. We relish that we in red California have a President who will protect us from the excesses of the coastal elites here.
So that's it? All that's left to do is start firing at one another? We are truly the saddest people on Earth - because we are supposed to be the smartest. Just fall-back behind barricades and 'unload' on one another—instead of fixing what is broken. The U.S. divided with its own "demilitarized zone." Question is: Which side gets the nuclear weapons silos?
(I'd imagine some group of republicans are hard at work on the details as I write this. Or, finished even?) /s
Pathetic. Here is some sage advice for all of us -- our enemies in the world would love to see us using our god-forsaken weaponry on ourselves and driving our country in the ground. Indeed, they might blow us *kisses*. WOW - there are some stupid, stupid Americans indeed.
Apparently, we have no true understanding of what it is to live in peace with one another. Now that the world's wars for which we are the architects are decreasing; some Americans have too much time to ogle their own discontent.
NOTE: Whoever the writer of this ridiculous article is s/he would better serve the people of this nation by using their writing skills to help us come together. Now that would be a higher calling! So much better than being a provocative propagandist!
Explain what there is to unite us
Left & right are polar opposite on moral issues
polar opposite on taxation
polar opposite on individualism vs collectivism
polar opposite on the role of government
polar opposite on the founding principle that our rights come from God not man
Actually we are not as far apart on every one of those issues as you think. Most of what you believe about the left is misrepresented and often straight up lies, such as 'they want open borders' or 'they want to take away all of your guns', etc. So we start off with false information. Sit down, clearly define the issue and YOUR position instead of misrepresenting somebody else. Then we can all have a real discussion. I don't see it happening soon, Trump is incapable of it and republicans follow the leader.
Brotherhood of trust/faith and holding all things in common between believers. You seen to have blow those traits away with all this plotting in politics lanes!
ISSUES, no one votes on “brotherhood of trust”
On abortion, taxes, homosexuality, the role of the Federal Government, States Rights, Immigration, Foreign Policy, Electoral College, healthcare, oil, environmentalism, and on and on, we are polar opposite Americans
Explain what there is to unite us.
That is what you asked of me. The list following notwithstanding.
The original Christians, long before succeeding Christian activities - like "America," considered themselves a brotherhood of trust and faith in God! The early brothers and sisters regarded worldly goods as mere common property - not something worthy to divide themselves into 'cliques' and foment schisms.
That is the allure and trouble with institutional denominations which 'lie in bed' with the political strains of its day! More on this point later.
That is par and parcel what I see as a difficult in your ministry-political stances. You seek to convince me to see your politics as wholly distinct from your faith; even as you wrap your personal political interests in Christian rhetoric.
You bring up "issues" (abortion, taxes, homosexuality, the role of the Federal Government, States Rights, Immigration, Foreign Policy, Electoral College, healthcare, oil, environmentalism, and on and on) you want to see changed to suit libertarian political interests, and in hope of bringing it about you assent to, President Donal Trump, a compulsive liar as an actuator.
Donald Trump is spiritually derelict.
At closer scrutiny, I suggest it is you who has traded something important, that is, "brotherhood," for self-interests and expediency. The solution is simple: Return to original Christianity.
I live in original Christianity. I live with and among people from every tribe tongue and nation. We spend our life caring for the needy, especially in 3rd world countries and Native Americans
it is you who lives in something opposite of 1st century Christianity
government control of our lives is not part of original Christianity
Absence of proclaiming repentance and holiness is not part of original Christianity
worshipping man/government is not part of original Christianity
Ah, the original Christianity that existed before the fall of the Roman Empire and the church based there taking over the government via that church.
The republican party is displaying itself as a self-indulgent and materialistic culture of "if it is good for me, it is good for everyone."
I recommend you separate yourself from supporting this current government official, because President Donald Trump is factually a compulsive liar and no one can trust a liar. A liar has little to no personal integrity, atknown any remaining to share with others!
You should separate yourself from the Republican Party which is displaying itself as a self-indulgent and materialistic culture of "if it is good for me, it is good for everyone." Even as the party demeans and demonizes this nation's diversity. How pretentious it is to "live among every tribe, tongue, and nation" working with one hand, while with the other hand you stoke a party and its 'movement' to destroy social and cultural diversity.
merging church and government causes problems, even if it is to fill a vacum
E.A Like merging Legislature with Judiciary?
Why do you think that in ALL Human History, those in postpones of power had more then One Advisor, and the wise ones had " Rulers for the time of peace and separate Rulers for War"?
You commonly quote objectivist thought on the subjects of economics and government but Ayn Rand was an atheist who said that religious belief and morality are for fools because they hold people back from doing what is in their own best interest. How do you rationalize that with your claimed religious belief?
These are her words,
Who is worshipping either their fellow man or the government?
I finally got around to build my shrine to science because people said that I worshipped that idea. Now I might have to build an addition on to my house if I also have to build an altar to fellow man and the government.
Evidently the Democratic party thinks so. Have you heard what Clinton, Waters, Booker, and Holder have been saying?
96WS6, outlets which spin words and texts out of context are guilty as charged of creating a pretext. Take the time, to read the sources words in context to find correct meaning.
Representative Maxine Waters may have actually crossed the invisible line at points; but the others you mention- you need to scrutinize their statement closer.
Pretty much every male in my family, and some of our women folk, put on the battle rattle and went across an ocean to fight the very same ilk that Antifa fights.
They were Antifa before Antifa was cool.
I can only assume from the bile exhibited here that y'all support Nazis over Antifa kids. Would y'all run and join an American Einsatzgruppen were Mr Dumpf to suggest such a move to be prudent? My guess is yes, but you would never publicly admit it. I don't know. Hey, my guess is that if someone with authority told you it was a good idea to eat babies there'd be weekend baby bar b q's all over the country.
While I support Antifa's message, I am just not a fan of their violence, (when it happens). In reality, they are only violent when confronted with violent outbursts from the radicalized rightists in the KKK and Neo-Nazi's.
I gotta align with Stokely Carmichael on that one.
I agree with you but you cant effectively combat Nazis by being nice y to them. The Antifa have adopted the tactics of the Neo-nazis to combat them in the case of fighting fire with fire.
I understand Antifa's "mission" against facism; but to be successful you have to win. Plain and simple. The messaging 'war'? They can not win that one through violence. Nor can they grow political influence from a position just barely above gangs!
Oh I agree completely. I don't expect them to be nice and if they are confronted with violence, I completely support them responding with violence as well. My point is that they shouldn't START with violence, but respond with it if necessary.
The soldiers who fought in WW2 were nothing like Antifa. Antifa are cowards who hide behind masks and beat up senior citizens and reporters. They wouldn't last two seconds against an actual threat.
That's baloney. And Malarkey as well. Whatever Malarkey is.
How many black bloc kids you know? How many street demonstrations you been in where Antifa was there beating up Senior Citizens? Where in bloody jesus hell did you read their mission is to beat up Senior Citizens?
How do you believe Nazis should be treated? Do you like Nazis? Do you support Nazis and Racists? Do you like Facists? Do you support them as well?
I think its time for you to denounce the violent groups on the right. The Proud (racist) Boys are on team gop, they fight more than antifa. Also need to answer to the supremacists, nazis, skinheads and other violent groups like the ones that kill doctors. Those stones republicans are throwing from inside their glass house are shining the light on them.
Here's your heroes in action. Watch the video and then ask yourself if you're still proud of them.
I'll denounce any racist group on the left or the right, just like Trump has done countless times. Now you watch the video I posted above and tell you if you stand by Antifa scum like the ones blocking traffic.
The protests in the beginning weren't violent at all, and I do NOT agree with the violence later in the video. I agree with the premise of the group, but not when it gets violent. Protesting in the streets is fine, annoying for the drivers, again, often counterproductive, but I don't have a problem with that. The physical violence is different. But Trump doesn't clearly denounce those racist groups, and Hannity even had them on his show (he seems to have a brain fart about it, but its all recorded). You name one left group that is usually interacting with hate groups on the right, do you have other examples? Because the hate and violence is weighted on the right at the moment.
Blocking traffic is a form of violence and physical intimidation, not to mention illegal. Actual legal protests have permits and barricades and are coordinated with police. There are many other mobs on the left that show up at restaurants and theaters where GOP members and even Dems are at to harrass and antagonize them. Like most mindless mobs they usually don't bother to name themselves.
Most of the so called right wing groups have zero connection to actual conservatives. Guys waving Confederate flags are actually supporting a symbol of the Democrat party that they support for over a century. Other groups are just equally mindless mobs looking for a fight.
Time for you to comment on Trump's love and admiration for Gianforte's attack on a reporter and the laughter and derision from all his supporters. Trump is the biggest purveyor of hate and violence, so if you are truly aghast, try bitching about that. The love of hate and violence is coming straight from the top. Need a reminder? No problem. Any comments? The freaking world is watching.
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The only people who care about some joke Trump made about a scuffle that happened a year ago is the far left, and only because they are all out of ideas. Most people will be voting based on their economic circumstances, not another example of faux left wing outrage.
Does this sound like he is denouncing Neo-Nazis and the Klan to you?
I believe he said there were good people on both sides - and that was about the pros & cons of taking down the statues. Only the left interpreted that to mean the extremist groups that showed up for a fight.
Trump refused to denounce the Klan and Neo-Nazis and the violence that they caused!
How can you be a good person and support the KKK or Nazi ideals at the same time?
Yep..
Trump has absolutely and completely denounced hate groups including white supremacists. It is complete and utter denial on the left to the point of psychosis that he hasn't. You can repeat the same lie as many times as you want but that doesn't make it any more real.
Do you have a link to that statement? Thanks.
I think you can Bing it on your own.
I didn't make the claim that Trump distanced himself from white supremacists and others. If you make an unsupported claim then be prepared to back it up with proof.
Feel free to do his research for him.
You moved the goal posts but it's OK. Trump did it for you over & over:
I do. Post # 6.2.17. I think he has said it more than any man alive. As I recall Obama only had to denounce Farrakhan once by simply saying something like "you can't help who votes for you".
Donald Trump was forced to backtrack from his previous statement of "many good people on both sides". That is hardly a condemnation of the alt-right or separating them from the GOP.
SOURCE :
Identiity Evropa proudly announces it is inside the GOP: Say what GOP?!
Yeah, I read about that bumphead. Seems like his cunning plan would work better if he'd keep his pie hole shut about his cunning plan.
I think this new version of the Republican Party beat him to it.
Total nonsense. According to the NBC article they have a total of 800 members through the US. They are a pathetic joke that every Conservative Christian who follows Christ rejects their antiChrist ideology
The Republican Party has been infiltrated by White nationalists.
I do not have much hope for discussing any of this with you.
The video makes its point. The Republican Party has been infiltrated by White nationalists. Even in republican "sacred" conferences, even speaking onstage during at least, one Trump rally, and holding a republican county office seat!
Now it is "the republicans' sworn duty to uphold the rule of law and protect citizens from violence, endangerment, and the undermining of the very fabric of a civilized society."
Well Republican Party? The hall is rented, the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see what you gone do. Do try not to talk the opposition to death!
And how many does it take before it's too many?
800 potential rogue infiltrators inside the conservative movement, holding republic office, and seeking additional positions in the Republican Party is apparently a nonsensical and inconsequential matter to Lfod; but, what about republican committees investigating scant to zero voter fraud in minority citizens' forms and applications? Lfod's party can be enthusiastic, quite open-ended, and display an unreasonable amount of patience for discussing and oversighting fake voter fraud.
This pile of hypocrisy smells bad.
They are not infiltrating the GOP. That’s an incredibly ridiculous premise.
Okay, have a lookit:
You were saying? Please continue. . . .
You're right, they aren't, they already did, long time ago.
The piece is leftist nonsense, falsely elevating this guy and his tiny group as if they actually have any impact
your hatred of conservatives blinds you to truth
When the Republican Party can see this country for its citizen diversity of colors, sexuality, gender equity, et ceteras - I will cheer!
Now you made me laugh. I see I have your attention. You've thrown your red herring down the wrong trail!
With this evidence, I'd expect to read you are in the process of demanding a full accounting on this matter from the Republican National Committee Chairwoman - Ronna Romney McDaniel. Please share any correspondence or relevant activities you carry out with your parties' official national Republican Chair with NT!
NOTE: I will not allow you to brand me as a hater of anybody. What I specifically fight against is principalities, powers, world rulers of darkness, and public-spiritual wickedness in high places. When the Republican Party can see this country for its citizen diversity of colors, sexuality, gender, et ceteras - without trying to social engineer tribalism and separation, I will cheer its members as well!
That is the bottom line.
Speaking of things with an "impact,"
There is a photo online of a State of Jefferson flag mounted on the front walk of an Identify Evropa member. Is this non-profit organization a separatist group and movement?
Care to come clean about this group's "bottom-line"?
The REAL funny thing about all this.....
The left claiming all that is good about America is exclusively Progressive Liberal, Nothing or no one else had any input.....
The right is claiming the EXACT same thing...... All that is good about America came about by their brand of exclusive ideology....
The REAL creators of the greatness of this nation, could care less of either sides claims......
BOTH SIDES are claiming something that is NOT theirs to claim....
But they both have their altars they worship at.....
Got Mit Uns........
Well, let's just do a little mental exercise and see if we can determine who is being the real intolerant bigot.
A city council puts on a luncheon for all the community so they can better get to know one another and maybe even partner on a lot of issues facing the town. They invite the whole town to come and participate. Now half of those who show up are religious conservatives, the other half are "bleeding heart liberals" including several members of the LGTBQ community.
When the members of the LGTBQ community are asked to group with members of the religious conservative groups to address keeping the streets clear of debris that could clog the cities rain drainage system and cause localized flooding of businesses, they say "No problem, lets get this done", while those of on the religious conservative side wave over the city council person who suggested it and say "Um, well, can we work on our own, we don't feel comfortable working with people who offend our religious beliefs".
LGTBQ Americans are completely fine with religious conservatives, up to the point where religious conservatives attempt to diminish and discriminate. Then religious conservatives complain they're being attacked for their beliefs. But the fact is they aren't, they're being attacked for the way the choose to enact those beliefs. By firing gays, refusing them service, refusing to issue them legal marriage licenses as the law states, this is ALL on the religious conservatives, not on the LGTBQ community.
So until they can act like civil adult Americans, the religious conservatives out themselves as the intolerant bigots and their cries claiming religious freedom to discriminate, to refuse service and malign other law abiding Americans, will fall on deaf ears.
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24
Religious conservatives try to have their cake and eat it to, they claim to be Patriotic Americans, but also are indoctrinated and steeped in religion for which many claim they'd take up arms and kill for if push came to shove. They try to serve two masters, that of civil society and that of their God. And at the moment they appear to be bowing down to the gold painted slob sitting on the American Presidential throne who is telling them violence against your enemy is to be praised, but violence against religious conservatives should be shamelessly exploited.
I can agree with this with one proviso.....
Secular socialists try to have their cake and eat it to, they claim to be Patriotic Americans, but also are indoctrinated and steeped in political dogma for which many claim they'd take up arms and kill for if push came to shove. They try to serve two masters, that of civil society and that of their all powerful government. And at the moment they appear to be bowing down to the all encompassing golden society god who is telling them violence against your enemy is to be praised, and violence against anyone not believing as they do should be shamelessly exploited.
The real unfortunate thing is it plays just as evil in the other direction.....
So who are the real fools?
The ones who blindly push their utopia over any others....
It's what this nation was conceived to prevent and government created to stop...
A very monarchal approach......
Both sides are self blinded by the supposedly brilliant ideal "if only we were completely in charge" when in reality the brilliance is only in the mind that created the ideal....
The argument runs from both sides that the other side is getting the cart before the horse.
This nation was designed so that all carts don't even need a horse. (but we have to agree to push the wagon together)
actually... we agree to push our own wagons
and we will circle the wagons together when needed.
federal taxes, social programs, national defense/war and the like.
in the end we all have to fix our own broken wheels or get left behind.
Perfect analogy.
And today's problem is most of the politico's of today and their sycophant followers want is to break even more wheels....
Of course that means deliberately leaving those behind they don't like.
Not what the Founders had in mind....
just like the movie, in the end frakenstein dies.
midterms will sound the death knell for the liberal progressive bs
I hope you're not betting your life savings on it, I know it's only $20 or so but still....hate to see you go without.
I believe that the left will be greatly disappointed by the results of the mid term elections.
not a chance...
I am retired and with my simple lifestyle, I will never live long enough to spend it all. I have zero worries.
but thanks for your concern
I am betting the entire countries life savings on it.
yours included
when you figure out sarcsm? let me know k?
as for my money? safe enough, but I do have a grand on trump to win in 2020
cheers
Which Frankenstein?
Oh my goodness. I grew up listening to this group play 'Frankenstein' and have know the 'lyrical' notes to the arrangement all these many, many, years in my heart. This is the first time I have ever seen it performed and it is a real treat. A heart-felt treat. This speaks volumes to the impact another person can have on us, even when we do not know why.
Well done, Edgar Winter Group. Well done.
Galen MR, I could not have asked for a more 'filling' moment just now than this!
My pleasure, I couldn't resist the Frankenstein reference in the title.