US agents fire tear gas as some migrants try to breach fence
Children screamed and coughed. Fumes were carried by the wind toward people who were hundreds of feet away. "We ran, but when you run the gas asphyxiates you more," Zuniga told the AP while cradling her 3-year-old daughter Valery in her arms.
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TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) — U.S. border agents fired tear gas on hundreds of migrants protesting near the border with Mexico on Sunday after some of them attempted to get through the fencing and wire separating the two countries, and American authorities shut down border crossings from the city where thousands are waiting to apply for asylum.
The situation devolved after the group began a peaceful march to appeal for the U.S. to speed processing of asylum claims for Central American migrants marooned in Tijuana.
A large majority pushed past a blockade of Mexican authorities who were standing guard, although they appeared to stop before police carrying plastic riot shields.
Others, however, saw an opportunity to breach the crossing.
An Associated Press reporter saw U.S. agents shoot several rounds of tear gas after some migrants attempted to penetrate several points along the border. Mexico's Milenio TV showed images of migrants climbing over fences and peeling back metal sheeting to enter.
Honduran Ana Zuniga, 23, also said she saw migrants opening a small hole in concertina wire at a gap on the Mexican side of a levee, at which point U.S. agents fired tear gas at them.
Children screamed and coughed. Fumes were carried by the wind toward people who were hundreds of feet away.
"We ran, but when you run the gas asphyxiates you more," Zuniga told the AP while cradling her 3-year-old daughter Valery in her arms.
Mexico's Interior Ministry said around 500 migrants tried to "violently" enter the U.S.
The ministry said in a statement it would immediately deport those people and would reinforce security.
As the chaos unfolded, shoppers just yards away on the U.S. side streamed in and out of an outlet mall.
Throughout the day, U.S. Customs and Border Protection helicopters flew overhead, while U.S. agents held vigil on foot beyond the wire fence in California. The Border Patrol office in San Diego said via Twitter that pedestrian crossings were suspended at the San Ysidro port of entry at both the East and West facilities. All northbound and southbound traffic was halted.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said in a statement that U.S. authorities will continue to have a "robust" presence along the Southwest border and that they will prosecute anyone who damages federal property or violates U.S. sovereignty.
"DHS will not tolerate this type of lawlessness and will not hesitate to shut down ports of entry for security and public safety reasons," she said.
More than 5,000 migrants have been camped in and around a sports complex in Tijuana after making their way through Mexico in recent weeks via caravan. Many hope to apply for asylum in the U.S., but agents at the San Ysidro entry point are processing fewer than 100 asylum petitions a day.
Irineo Mujica, who has accompanied the migrants for weeks as part of the aid group Pueblo Sin Fronteras, said the aim of Sunday's march toward the U.S. border was to make the migrants' plight more visible to the governments of Mexico and the U.S.
"We can't have all these people here," Mujica told The Associated Press.
Tijuana Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum on Friday declared a humanitarian crisis in his border city of 1.6 million, which he says is struggling to accommodate the crush of migrants.
U.S. President Donald Trump took to Twitter Sunday to express his displeasure with the caravans in Mexico.
"Would be very SMART if Mexico would stop the Caravans long before they get to our Southern Border, or if originating countries would not let them form (it is a way they get certain people out of their country and dump in U.S. No longer)," he wrote.
Mexico's Interior Ministry said Sunday the country has sent 11,000 Central Americans back to their countries of origin since Oct. 19, when the first caravan entered the country. It said that 1,906 of those who have returned were members of the recent caravans.
Mexico is on track to send a total of around 100,000 Central Americans back home by the end of this year.
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Associated Press writer Amy Guthrie contributed to this story from Mexico City.
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Now that we now thr obama administration frequently used tear gas on the border without the media and liberals freaking out, democrats will move on from their outrage at the “unprecedented” nature of the routine use of tear gas. Sort like how they fomented a panic about trump mistreating illegal alien kids by using photos from the obama administration.
those comments freaking out about it were gold, though.
Link?
Well, thank you for providing the link I asked Sean for.
OMG, you provided links!!!!
Still waiting for the they were mostly young men link.
Here you go. There's an MSNBC video in this article:
I've seen it, it's in my article as well, if you follow the link. I have seen those men you describe but, I also see women and, children, like the woman and, her kids in my picture for the article, by the way, they were running away from the U.S. border, that teargas canister near them is on the Mexican side and, Mexico wants to know why the U.S. fired teargas into their country, they consider it an act of aggression.
You asked for a link proving that most of the people in the caravan are men, and I provided one. Nothing more, nothing less.
Here ya go,
Anybody who says they want to know why or that it could be an act of aggression is a moron or a liar. Everyone knows why it was done.
However, if they're really worried about it, I would welcome the arrival of the Mexican army at the border.
So you want to start a war with Mexico when we can't even end the war in Afghanistan? Really? You know the Afghan's never really had a standing army right?
Think real hard. Did I say I wanted a war with Mexico? (Which we would win in about 3 minutes, by the way) Did I say that?
No. I said I welcomed their arrival at the border. Please respond to what I actually say. Your fantasy took you all the way to Afghanistan. Talk about "off-topic!"
Think about it. What do you think is going to happen with that mob at the border if the Mexican army shows up? I'm thinking they'll become slightly less rowdy and just a tad more orderly.
That I understand. I like when you explain things.
The implication was there but, think about this, we have fought in Afghanistan for over 12 years, have we won anything there? Three minutes, yeah, ok, maybe on xbox.
One mistake by either side and, we end up in a shooting fight between the two country's in a heartbeat.
Not so sure about that, they could get worse.
There should be large NO VACANCY signs on top the wall
Why?
1 Because this country is overpopulated
2 The needs and wants of our Citizens must be met or exceeded before we can take in any more
3 So they know many US Citizens don't want them and their problems here
4 Just because they want to come here does not mean we have to take them
5 They are not our problem
6 To keep more from coming
That is just a few reasons
Because he considers all of these migrants feral cats.
So, wanting to escape a deadly, corrupt government and, criminal cartels isn't enough for you. Got it. Thankfully, that is what the asylum law was set up for.
They can't "pull a number" until they are on U.S. soil.
The same was said of the Irish, Italians and, Poles but, we still took them and, they proved to be very valuable citizens.
You should really stop listening to Trump, that is such a Trumpian statement.
And, everyone of these reasons have been used for almost two hundred years and, every time they have been proven wrong.
do you want your area to be over run by feral cats?
I'm beginning to see that. It's funny though, I had this feral cat come onto my property once, I gave him some milk and, food and, he became a good friend, I never had to worry about stray dogs coming on the property with him around either.
The needs and wants of our Citizens must be met or exceeded before we can take in any more
how has that been proven wrong?
Sounds like another poster who refers to these migrants as vermin. Just like when the other poster refers to them as feral cats.
When I see these story's and, read what folks put on here that are against immigration and, people seeking asylum I remember a family that came here in the early to mid 1800's and, settled in New York until the end of the Civil War, then some of them moved to North Carolina and, settled there, they were told wherever they went that they weren't welcome but, they stuck it out and, finally earned the respect of the people who called themselves "True Americans", they became business owners, farmers, trappers and, teachers, that family made it in America even though the "citizens" of America said they weren't wanted, that family was my mothers ancestors, they were Irish.
You mean our fellow human beings?
Are you advocating for open borders or do you support limits on immigrants admitted to the US?
And, that just burns you that they are coming here to look for work in unskilled labor. What do you think, those GM workers are going to want to go work on a farm for less than minimum wage after making 30 an hour at GM? Really?
What farm jobs? How many job openings need to be filled on farms? Are they seasonal or year round? Can the worker support themself on those wages or are taxpayers going to have to wind up subsidizing that labor in any form?
Visas should be issued for those farm jobs and the applicants restricted to working only those farm jobs that they were approved to do.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "no vacancy" but our country is a very different kind of place from what it was a hundred years ago and more. Back then, we didn't have limits on immigration, but we also didn't have all the laws, regulations, and government programs that benefit not just immigrants, but the poor generally. These laws and programs can be a burden on both public and private resources, so we need to be thoughtful about how many people come into the country and who they are.
It's also a very crowded country. California's population has increased 250% in my lifetime without a concurrent increase in roads, water supply, and other necessary infrastructure. The current population has more foreign born people (over 10 million, about 27% of the population) than any other state. Illegal immigrants are a substantial drain on the state's economy . Almost 13% of the state's prisoners are in the country illegally, and when they get out (after enjoying free food, housing, and healthcare for the duration of their sentence), the authorities won't call ICE to have them deported.
Increasing demand from all immigration just drives up the already high cost of housing, including for our poorer native citizens. The Los Angeles area has the worst commutes in the nation . Average speeds on the "freeway" are under 20 mph. Millions of idling cars negatively impact local pollution and climate change . The state does not need more people.
nope
I don't know what you mean, please explain.
I think this was tried one time before by a Central American people, the result was Iran-Contra by the U.S.
I' don't know for sure but I'd say some places if they did that they would be quickly eliminated.
Instead of the problem.
Open borders - any global person who wants to live and/or work in the US can.
Limits on immigrants - the number of non-citizens who are legally allowed to live and/or work in the US.
Really, I think we already have this here. Let me explain;
People come here on work visas and, school visas and, they run out, those people stay, that then makes them illegals, Ivanka Trump had such a situation when she came here, she had a "look for work" visa and, violated it by working before she got a work visa, that made her an illegal technically. So, going by that standard, we have laws that should be obeyed but, even people who come here legally don't always obey them. The people at the border should have their day in court, the immigration judge will look at their case and, decide if they should stay or, go but, they should have that chance.
Do I want an open border system? No, not really but, I don't want to close our borders the way Trump wants to either, our immigration system is broken and, unless Congress changes things, it will continue to be broken. We are a nation of immigrants and, we always will be, to refuse immigrants is like spitting in our ancestor's faces.
No Vacancy? Have you been to West Texas? Most of rural America is deserted. Most Americans today do not want to live in rural backwaters or to work in chicken processing plants. Rural America is again begging for settlers because fruits and vegetables do not pick themselves. Tens of thousands of low paying back breaking jobs white Americans are too proud to do are begging for takers. Without cheap immigrant labor food is going to have to cost a whole lot more. The prices we pay for groceries is already going up way faster than our current lying government admits but we can all tell it. If given refugee status new immigrants will take the dirty low pay drudge work which allows the rest of us to live privileged lifestyles. Immigrants have always been a net positive for America. Maybe I see things differently but I would way rather we took in poor repressed refugees who will move to rural America and take available jobs and housing which is standing empty than the hoards of rich Chinese, Arabs and Eastern Europeans who skip visas to bid up home costs in America's desirable urban centers. We do not need any more rich Russian fat cat oligarchs in New York or LA. We do though need lots more Guatemalans and Hondurans to perform manual laborer out in our mostly deserted Flyover Country USA...
So you want to put the problem in rural areas?
What problem?
The need for workers is the problem for farmers, ranchers and processors...
Yeah, the last time I went through Kansas there were small towns that were up for sale, the whole damn town.
using these will drag wages and working conditions down even more.
those that act like feral cats
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What, on farms? Dude most of these people work at farm labor, it's their kids that go to school learn the language, go to college and, then get hired by company's, how are their parents going to drive down wages at a corporation?
Oh, you mean like these guys,
Are you saying no one owns the land or that it is not being commercially exploited properly?
In that regard, most rural areas in the countries the immigrants come from are deserted.
As far as farm labor, crop work is seasonal. How many seasonal farm workers are required in the US? That is how many farm visas that should be readily available to farmers and legal immigrants.
There are 3 billion people who live in poverty. Many, if not most, live in worse conditions than the people south of the US border.
How many of the 3 billion people do you want to relocate to the US and shouldn't we start with the people who are the most impoverished for humanitarian reasons?
Are you at all concerned about global warming? Adding more people to the US guarantees more people consuming an unsustainable amount of the Earth's resources? Is that a consideration when you are advocating population expansion in the US?
The United States Overshoot Day for 2018 was March 15th. We were in 4th position. Is the goal to be #1 and use our share of the Earth's resources in January? Is that humane to all of the other people on Earth? Or is this purely a political issue to score more kind of imaginary points against the opposition?
Happens at George's Chicken plant and Bowman Apple Plant and the farms that supply them, That is a local issue that I see in my area
Teaching English as a Second Language adds a burden to our local schools so does bringing their kids up to our level of education.
Very few illegal immigrants work at farm labor. But even if it was 1 million illegal immigrants, that means that over 10 million are NOT doing farm labor.
Ok then, let's make abortions mandatory for any families with two kids.
Rural America is dying off. The only reason to live out there was if you owned some land and all of your family farmed and ranched nearby. But, the younger generations moved off and the big corporate farms bought up all the land. The chicken and hog plants are all that is left in many now deserted once thriving rural townships. A few hundred new working families each would be an all around BOOM to hundreds of dying rural communities. Regarding being welcoming to new immigrants, it is do or die for rural America. Towns with good leadership are advertising incentives for new immigrants to move there...
If it's just about open space, there is plenty of that in Latin America.
I'm playing my tiny violin for you. Please, we dealt with this before and, not every single immigrant at the border is coming to your town.
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So let's look at what is really happening on dairy farms - they are overproducing and the US taxpayer is supporting them. Other farming is also subsidized by the US taxpayer. Maybe, we need to revamp the whole industry before we keep on supplying farmers with cheap labor for them to exploit and for the taxpayer to subsidize?
I thought that might be the case and, I was ready for the response to it.
You mean those feral cats as he refers to them?
No need. The answer is to make education available to women. As educational opportunities for women have expanded globally, there has been a natural decrease in population. Educated women have more economic opportunities, access to medical care (including birth control), and a desire for better lives for themselves and whatever offspring they they choose to have....and for an increasing number that is zero. Incubating, caring for and educating children is very difficult work. Not everyone needs to be a parent because they do not have the necessary physical and mental capabilities. I am hoping that people will quit shaming women who choose not to have children that they do not have the ability to care for and rear.
Industrialized nations have been at less than replacement rate for decades (including the US without illegal immigration). The women in those nations have had options to live their lives pursuing careers/dreams outside of being a broodmare and a domestic slave.
First, I didn't say it did speak for the 98% but, it does show that there are "feral cats" already in this country, you don't like the implication then change they way the Conservatives are acting and, talking.
There aren't even 10 thousand at the border right now cowgirl so, I doubt they will stress out our eco-system.
It is still a burden to some school system in American and continues an unnessasary cost we had with the last bunch
Legal refugees are not "undocumented". There is a big difference between illegal undocumented workers and legal immigrant workers or authorized refugees with green cards. The report you sited is an industry financed study making the point that their own industry does not employ as many illegal undocumented workers as people think according to that same industry's suspect figures. In any case, it does not account for all immigrant but rather strictly those who are illegal sans any papers having never made it past any legal immigration processes like applying for refugee status. Successive waves of immigrants have sustained the poultry industry in your part of the world for a generation.
How many of the 3 billion impoverished people do you want to move to the US?
Don't you want to begin with the absolute most impoverished?
Shouldn't the goal to improve conditions so that people don't migrate for economic reasons?
Rural communities are losing schools due to too few students, also...
I think JBB was making the point that we aren't "full up" as was suggested earlier.
Ok, I'm not going to flag you since you didn't know but, I was asked by Perrie to better define my red box rules, so I did, anything about the homeless is off topic, if you wish to talk about them start your own seed about it, I'll be happy to come to it and, comment.
we need to both reduce our birthrate and severely reduce number of people coming into this country. However a citizen's right to have children is far more important than letting outsiders in for any reason
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True, I'm glad the women in my family listened to their elders, really smart women there, they became career people and, are now teaching their children and, grandchildren the same way.
But, tell me, how does this relate to the seed? Please take note of the red box rules below the seed.
Please re-read the red box rules under the seed. thanks.
Why should the people at the border have precedence over legal immigrant applicants?
Why should the people at the border have precedence over people who live in far worse conditions around the globe?
Every person who lives "on the grid" in the US puts stress on the global ecosystem. Every person who drives an auto or used public transportation puts stress on the global ecosystem.
No, you can, since I brought it up but, actually it was cowgirl, I felt it needed an answer.
If you want to control the conversation then I am wasting my time expressing my viewpoints and research.
OK, I'll stay off that topic, but I was pushing a door you opened
Because some of those people at the border are seeking asylum and, according to U.S. law once they cross the border and, say they are seeking asylum they are no longer illegals and, before they cross the border they aren't illegals.
Are those people applying for asylum at the border, have they gone to a U.S. consulate to ask for refugee status?
Are you advocating for the Scrooge approach?
Isn't it in RED that comments about IMMIGRATION are allowed?
The US is at less than replacement rate without immigration (legal and illegal) and has been for decades.
I have spent years reading and researching about how human global population growth is straining the Earth's resources, causing animal/plant extinction, and fueling climate change.....and how the US is at the forefront of exploiting the Earth's resources to the detriment of everyone and everything else on the planet.
We would be lessening our detrimental impact on the environment if it was not for adding more people who consume on US levels.
I was asked by Perrie to better define my red box rules for the moderators, I did that, you want to complain, talk to her. I was answering your questions and, looking at what you had to offer for information but, if you want to act butt hurt over the rules, well, I don't know what to tell you. I won't have this seed derailed again.
So people in Bangladesh are screwed because they don't live in close proximity to our border.
Neither did anyone at the border. However, I did some search to understand the refugee process before Trump.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that under Obama the majority of refugees admitted to the US were from war torn and impoverished African and Far East nations. People who were fortunate enough to live close enough to make it to the southern border were not given precedence over the people who lived in far worse conditions. The Obama administration admitted just 1340 Latin America/Caribbean refugees in FY2016.
The majority of this caravan would not have qualified for refugee status in 2016. Why should it qualify in 2018?
Trump is continuing to admit refugees with the same criteria, just smaller numbers overall.
Nope. Just stating the facts.
There is no going back to living sustainable lifestyles in any industrialized nation.
Our descendants will pay so that we can party hardy today.
And, what makes you think that anyone on the left wants it to be any different? What Trump has done and, is doing is blocking any ones chance from the southern border to even apply for asylum, yes, they are allowed to go into the court but, before they do they are asked to sign a letter in English that is not properly translated to them and, then told they can go into the court, once in there they find out from an interpreter that what they signed is a deportation agreement, not an asylum letter. I feel that they should have their cases heard but, the government shouldn't try to trick them into signing anything until they see the judge and, learn their status.
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But that would be a lie. We've got plenty of room and plenty of jobs for people who are trying to save their families lives and make a better one--IOW, the way this country became great in the first place.
If we have to let outsiders in, why take them from the bottom of the barrel? Successful sports teams pick the best players available, we should use that example here
So you consider these migrants the bottom of the barrel? How humane of you.
Just like when you called them feral cats.
You must be so proud of yourself.
I call them like I see them, it is a very good description.
It's amazing that the same thing was said about other immigrant groups that came here, the most notable is this one,
Without them we wouldn't have had an industrial revolution.
Dehumanizing whole groups of people was a damn Nazis tactic, too...
Feral Cats? Wow! No wonder the damn gop got beat on Nov the 6th...
The gop can't win going forward without appealing to US minorities...
With attitudes like yours do not be surprised when US voters go Blue.
No, it's not. It dehumanizes them.
It's a good description for those that view our fellow human beings as vermin and disease ridden.
Do you want to use them in sweatshops, as field labor, ect with unsafe and unhealthy working conditions, without Union protection like they did then?
as example, Commodore Vanderbilt, head of New York Central Railroad, said he would use safety couplers when they were cheaper than brakeman
I think their cheerleaders would complain about this too
It's amazing, I provide more than a four word claim that immigrants have been denigrated by our society over the century's and, that is all you get out of it, those four words.
I get that they could be used to drive down working conditions for Citizens. Destroying hard won improvements that took years to get. Jobs going overseas is bad enough, now you want to bring in outsiders to finish off the American worker, Unions and the middle class
seems they don't mind hurting those that supported them in past
Nothing as stupid as the gop welcoming racist Dixiecrats in 1972...
Which is weird for any American (except the original ones) to think. It's likely saying, "yes, I came from trash."
So you consider your immigrant ancestors trash as well. The people that preceded them probably did.
So, I guess from what you stated that if you had lived back in the 1800's you wouldn't have taken in the Irish, the Italians, the Poles or, any of those folks that came over back then.
were they the best available at the time and did we have room for them and a need?
As example, When James J Hill built the Great Northern Railroad, his agents selected the best immigrants with cold weather farming experience and needed skills to settle along his railroad. There was land and a need then
According to the people living at the time in America no, we had no use for them, we didn't have room for them and, according to the "Americans" at the time, they too were vermin.
Especially when they're coming from shithole countries right, like the shithole 'president' said?
And, we have laws today as well, they must go before an immigration judge and, have their cases heard, the judge makes the decision not you, not the border patrol, not Trump.
We had that until Trump got a wild hair up his ass and, tried to prove he was more Obama than Obama.
Ummm, that's the way its been in this country for century's.
Agri-businesses begging for laborers all across rural America disagree...
It was more because, no one with any "common sense" wanted to settle in "Indian" territory and, try to farm "unfarmable land", the Irish weren't having a lot of "luck" in the city's finding jobs so, when the offer came they jumped on it.
No the Irish were not the ones he charged $10 to haul to settle beside his railroad
Splain's the accents in Minnesota.
Actually Charger this doesn't answer the question I asked you, "Would YOU accept the Irish, Italians and, Poles if YOU had lived back then?"
I don't think anybody can give a good answer to a question like that.
Because I don't know what position I might have been in, I can not give you an answer
Processing plants operate year round as do ranches, pig farms and poultry houses, in case you didn't know. In fact, demand for ranch labor increases significantly in winter when ice must be broken and cattle must be fed. What do you think farmers do all winter? Lay around, eat bonbons and sleep?
You're not qualified to make either of those determinations.
you were not there either, do you think you are qualified?
I am not and never claimed to be...you on the other hand, well, you aren't and made them anyway.
The Irish and Italians were all dehumanized by the Know Nothings of Olde, too...
The anti-Immigrant nativist nationalist racists in the gop are nothing new, either.
Will some EVER, EVER learn the difference between being against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and LEGAL IMMIGRATION?
It is legal to approach any US border or port of entry to ask for asylum...
Yeah, but it isn't legal to try to breach our borders.
Actually, it is if you are seeking asylum.
Please quote the section of law that states that. Code numbers would be fine.
8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum
Throwing rocks and bottles and Border Patrol agents is not the action of someone seeking asylum. When you bust through the fence and run from authorities, you are clearly not seeking asylum.
True, the report said that there were agitators in the group, it doesn't mean that everyone of the migrants were there throwing rocks and, bottles.
When the authority's are shooting teargas at you and, firing guns at you, you would have to be pretty stupid to run towards them.
I would think that choosing to approach those authorities in the company of an antagonistic, rock throwing gang might indicate that at least some of them might be pretty stupid.
I am not aware of them shooting teargas at anyone who had crossed the border already. What would be the point? If you are seeking asylum at that point, yeah, you run to the immigration authorities who are probably not trying to gas you anymore.
Ok, come on. The Border Patrol agents are not shooting people. At worst, they might use rubber bullets (which can hurt a lot, to be sure), but I haven't seen reliable, specific reporting on that. Certainly nothing on the order of real bullets. I don't know why they would use weapons on anyone who was running away from them.
Here ya go,
It's interesting that both AP and MSNBC forgot to mention that the previous administration also released tear gas on migrants who tried to illegally cross our southern border and that the current migrants also provoked US border agents by throwing rocks and bottles at them.
When it is done by a Democratic Administration, it is for strictly "humanitarian reasons", while under a Republican Administration, it is the worst thing that could happen on the border.
Now, you damn well better start remembering the double standard!
Add to that, the story from the BP Agent in charge -
The chief Border Patrol agent for the sector of the southern border that was the target of Sunday’s rush by illegal immigrants to force their way into the U.S. said the migrants trying to storm the border were hardly peaceful.
And he said it in no uncertain terms.
“What I saw on the border yesterday was not people walking up to Border Patrol agents and asking to claim asylum,” said Rodney Scott, chief patrol agent of the Border Patrol’s San Diego Sector, during an appearance on CNN’s “ New Day .”
“I kind of challenge that it was a peaceful protest or that the majority of these people were claiming asylum,” Scott said.
Scott said the migrants put women and children to the front of the crowd as human shields while others behind them threw rocks at Border Patrol agents.
“What we saw over and over yesterday was the group, the caravan, would push women and children towards the front and then, basically, ‘rocking’ our agents,” he said.
https://www.westernjournal.com/chief-border-patrol-agents-attacks-narrative-migrants-peaceful-defends-use-tear-gas/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_content=2018-11-26&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR2OztBIXbTVXQ9iCyWrCrzxlG1MCio9bB4xDb5gm1sqfHl64qmouuXY3_U
Gee - looks like something the Palestinians or ISIS would do, eh? Yeah, let's get the momma's and kiddies killed while we throw rocks and other crap.
Western journal and, Face Book, good sources.
Attacking the source never works, Galen. If you opened the WJ link you would have seen CNN's interview with chief patrol agent of the Border Patrol’s San Diego Sector, Rodney Scott. He gave a very accurate assessment.
The first few words in the article tells me everything I need to know about the Western Journal,
How can they be illegal until they cross into the U.S. and, don't claim asylum or, have their asylum application denied by a judge? The article starts with the premise that anyone crossing the southern border MUST be illegal. As far as the border agent is concerned, who is his boss and, who does she work for?
So then it's an "Invasion".....right ?
Why are you attributing that quote to me, Tessy? In comment 8 , I never said what you claim I said.
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I asked you a simple question that needed a simple answer. Deleted - Jasper was used for meta without consent.
That's all the gop/republicans have - double standards. The only standards they have.
Then why are our ICE agents NOT breaking down doors at Trump Towers?
Because rich Russians and Arabs can afford to hire immigration lawyers...
We don't need more Chinese realestate investors. We do need hog gutters.
Please provide any links to any real evidence that would suggest to anyone that ICE needs to break down doors at Trump Tower.
It is a fact. Look it up yourself. I'm not falling for that ruse again. Trump even admitted that he makes a killing selling condos to rich illegal immigrants who skip visas, claim refugee status and then hire million dolkar immigration lawyersand. Jerod's family business is infamous for helping their illegal clients manipulate the law. Of course, they are all rich...
So, no proof, as I suspected all along.
Couching your refusal to provide proof as some kind of "trap" is amusing at best
Prove it then,..
We do need hog gutters
and letting foreigners in will drive down wages for hog gutters
they are a problem too
Poor KIDS !
Imagine having a "Parent" that would put you in "Harms Way" !
Okay sweetie, we're gonna run towards possible danger. I'll be right "Behind You" !
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If while on other side of our border, in view of US authorities, someone does something that shows they are not willing to follow US laws should they be let in?
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If you had paid attention and, read the article you would have seen the red box rules.
LOL I'll try that next time. I just looked at the picture this time too much I guess.
It got so bad yesterday, I had to reseed it and, that's when I added the rules, Perrie made me define it a little more a few minutes ago and, now, this is what we got. Thanks for understanding.
At least we didn't do this:
"well Obama or, well Hillary" memes.
Well thanks for seeding stuff at all. I dont usually because I'm not willing to put up with the BS.
I have a tenancy to let people say whatever they want. that's frowned on highly here. This site is set up to stay civil and organized.
That's good for the site, but for me not my preferred style. I don't take any of his too seriously and when people show their true self I am OK with it. Even if they are a total asswipe cause, that's how some people actually are.
Ok, closing for the night, I've been up all day.
Is open, obey the rules.