Does The Netherlands Have a Problem?
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Does The Netherlands Have a Problem?
by Judith Bergman , Gatestone Institute, December 8, 2018
According to the National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism of the Netherlands, Islamic terrorism has been growing for several years. "Despite stagnating growth, the size of the Dutch jihadist movement is cause for concern," it wrote. (Image source: iStock)
"Right-wing extremists are growing more confident. They continue to focus on protesting against the perceived Islamisation of the Netherlands, the arrival of asylum seekers and the perceived loss of Dutch identity..." [emphasis added] wrote Dutch authorities in a September threat assessment.
Islamization in the Netherlands, however, is not merely a "perception" of "right-wing extremists" but an increasingly established trend. The threat assessment by the country's National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism, for example, shows that Islamic terrorism has been growing for several years. "Despite stagnating growth, the size of the Dutch jihadist movement is cause for concern," it wrote .
"This group, which grew significantly between 2013 and 2016, may be inclined to embrace a 'revenge narrative' that blames the West for the collapse of the 'caliphate'...Jihadists now no longer have a compelling reason to travel to that part of the world, and their focus has shifted to da'wa, or spreading the jihadist message. This may lead to a rise in the number of jihadists in the Netherlands. In addition to adherents of jihadism, there are also several thousand jihadist sympathisers, and ISIS sympathisers in particular, in the Netherlands."
The Netherlands has been the scene of several attempted jihadist terrorist attacks in recent months. In late September, police arrested seven suspected jihadist terrorists who were planning a massive attack there, including attacking a large event -- the police did not say where -- by attacking the site with automatic rifles and a car bomb. Earlier in September, an Afghan man who had a "terrorist motive" according to Dutch officials, stabbed two Americans at a train station in Amsterdam. "It is apparent from his statements that he believes that in the Netherlands, the Prophet Muhammad, the Quran, Islam and Allah are repeatedly insulted," prosecutors said . In August, another man was shot and arrested at a supermarket in the city of Naaldwijk, where he was waving a knife at people while shouting "Allahu Akbar".
The threat level for the Netherlands remains at "substantial" (level 4 on a scale of 1 to 5), which means that the risk of an Islamic terrorist attack in the Netherlands is very real, although not necessarily imminent.
There are several other factors, apart from Islamic terrorism, that show an increase in the Islamization of the Netherlands:
One is the growth of Islamic parties. In the last parliamentary elections, Denk , a Muslim party that was formed six months ahead of the elections by two Turks who were former members of the Socialist party, received one-third of the Muslim vote and three seats in parliament. The party does not hide its affinity for Turkey: Criticism of Turkey is taboo , as is its predictable refusal to name the Turkish mass-slaughter of the Armenians during the First World War a genocide. The Denk party ran on a platform against the integration of immigrants into Dutch society (instead advocating "mutual acceptance", a euphemism for creating parallel Muslim societies); and for the establishment of a " racism police " that would register "offenders" and exclude them from holding public office. In July, a former political activist for Denk, Hussein Jamakovic, sent an email to the Telegraaf newspaper, as well as three other news organizations. The email said , "May you get cancer, you filthy, far-right cancer Jews." The email came after the news outlets brought reports claiming that Jamakovic had expressed sympathy for ISIS. In June, a van was deliberately driven into the entrance of the Telegraaf newspaper's building, where it burst into flames.
Another facet of the increasing Islamization is the preaching of jihad in mosques. The Religious Affairs Directorate of the Republic of Turkey ( Diyanet ) distributes its official Friday sermons to Turkish mosques across the world; the mainstream media in the Netherlands have publicized at least one case of such a sermon being preached, at the mosque in the city of Hoorn. It is unclear in just how many mosques this sermon was preached, but it is estimated that 140 mosques in the Netherlands are affiliated with the Diyanet . The sermon was about jihad and martyrdom :
"Our soldiers show the whole world that we are sacrificing everything to protect our faith, flag and country. (...) Every son of our country who, in the power of his life, drinks the sweet nectar of martyrdom, shouts at us. (...) The one who dies in the way of Allah, never call him dead, but call him alive".
According to the Diyanet representative in The Hague, Dutch-Turkish imams write their own sermons. He then claimed that the war sermon was not preached anywhere in the Netherlands. That is simply not credible -- why would the Diyanet make an exception for Turkish Muslims in the Netherlands of all the places it seeks to influence?
The new mayor of Amsterdam, Femke Halsema, said in September that she would close down mosques if imams are spreading messages of hate, but "only as a last resort". According to DutchNews.nl, Halsema said that closing mosques is "a very rigorous [action] and that is something you only do as a last resort." You must be able to act if "an imam gives disgusting sermons, such as saying women should be subservient or that homosexuality is a crime". According to the news report, she also said that, unlike her predecessor, Jozias van Aartsen, she did not plan to develop links with fundamentalist and Salafist organizations. "I will not invite people who are not democratic and who do not take equality between men and women seriously to the office," she said.
Another aspect of the increasing Islamization is that vandalism and violence against Jews have risen dramatically. A report published by the Dutch Public Prosecution Service in April listed 144 confirmed criminal offenses in 2017 involving hate crimes, including intimidation, vandalism, assault and incitement to hate or violence. Of those cases, 41 percent were "directed against Jews," who only account for 0.2 percent of the Dutch population.
A poll of 557 Dutch Jews published in November showed that nearly half of them were afraid of identifying themselves as Jews, with 43% saying they take active steps to hide their Jewish identity and 52% saying anti-Semitism on the street has become more common. In addition, 34% said they had experienced anti-Semitic remarks directed against them and 11% had experienced anti-Semitic violence directed against them.
In December 2017, a Syrian asylum seeker, Saleh Ali, smashed the windows of a kosher restaurant in Amsterdam. For that, he served just 52 days in prison even though he had reportedly told an officer that the attack was "only the first step." Asked about the next step, he said: "I will tell you later, no one needs to know."
In May, a Syrian asylum seeker, Malek F, stabbed three people in the Hague, while looking to harm "Christian and Jewish kuffars " according to the prosecution's report of the recent trial. He said that "kuffars" [unbelievers] were akin to "animals or retarded people". Two days earlier, Malek F. had brought a knife to a church in The Hague but when no one opened the door when he knocked, he left.
Yet another disquieting characteristic of the Islamization is the grooming and rape of under-age girls, as seen for more than a decade in the UK. According to recent reports, "The number of Dutch victims of grooming gangs has risen sharply in recent years". It is estimated that rape-groomers force around 1,400 under-age girls into sex-slavery every year. Known in the Netherlands as "loverboys", they groom the girls with drugs, alcohol and gifts and then blackmail them into sex-slavery. Research has shown that 89% of the rape-groomers have migrant origins and that 60% are Muslims. Some young girls have 20 "customers" a day. "Minors are set to work in another country [Belgium] as a method to keep them from running away" according to reports. The men can earn "up to 800 euros a day on a girl".
Does the Netherlands have a problem?
Judith Bergman, a columnist, lawyer and political analyst, is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at Gatestone Institute.
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It seems to me that the Dutch would prefer to have their young daughters forced into sex slavery than to curtail the creeping caliphate. They would rather jail Geert Wilders. LOL
Of course, you are 5 times more likely to be murdered and 3 times more likely to be raped right here in the USA.
Perhaps in some of the bigger urban areas but not in most of the USA and certainly not where i’m from.
Try again.
I pity you, StevieGee. Do you not live in the land of the free and the home of the brave?
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Netherlands had a nice prosperous, safe and happy country and their leaders let in people they should have known did not like places like that and would cause problems
So according to this piece, 1400 young girls are raped and missing every year. So nobody notices this or nobody seems to be doing anything about it? I find that hard to believe.
Also, the source for the claim is a far right Christian publication which is described as an evangelical organization, based in DC.
I would need facts from the Netherlands themselves, not from Christian evangelicals in the US.
Here ya go, I'll let you do the translation....
[ No, we are an English speaking site, so it is your responsibility to do the translation. I have done it for you for the sake of the discussion, but this is the second time in one thread. Please don't do this anymore. ]
Antwerpen opent jacht op pooiers: ‘Meisje had 20 klanten per dag’
[ Antwerp opens a hunt for pimps: 'Girl had 20 customers a day' ]
[ The Dutch department of aid organization Terre des Hommes is going to work together with the Flemish municipality of Antwerp to tackle the increase in loverboy practices. ]
[ According to Gideon van Aartsen, associated with children's rights organization Terres des Hommes, the number of Dutch victims of loverboys has risen sharply in recent years. Van Aartsen is the project manager of Watch Netherlands, where he leads a team looking for pimps, their victims and customers. The 'loverboy 3.0' recruits via the internet and that trade often also crosses the border. Flemish girls and boys are forced into prostitution in the Netherlands and Dutch boys and girls in Belgium. ]
[ ,, Minors are often put to work across borders, because they are less likely to run away, "Van Aartsen knows. ,, Dutch victims often end up in Antwerp, where they do not work behind the window, but in certain cafes that are referred to as 'bar' in Belgium. " ]
[ According to Terres des Holmes, the increase in the number of underage prostitutes in both Belgium and the Netherlands is due to online trade. Pimps recruit children on platforms such as Telegram, Tinder and even Scholieren.com. ,, It is ] [ big business, "says Van Aartsen. "Sometimes ] [ 160 men respond to an advertisement within 48 hours." ]
[ Thousand euro girl' ]
[ As an example he mentions the so-called 'thousand euro girl'. A victim who had to collect a thousand euros a day in Belgium for her pimp. "She only got 50 euros per customer. The girl had an average of 20 customers per day. " ]
[ The project leader says that pimps sometimes encourage adolescents to undress before the webcam, after which they blackmail them with photos. ,, That blackmail goes so far, that children take the train themselves to work in Belgium. They see no other way out. " ]
[ Male victims ]
[ What many people do not know is that boys are more and more often victims of exploitation. Terres des Hommes is currently conducting research into male victims, because boy prostitution often remains under the radar. "The research is still ongoing, we are already seeing the most poignant cases", says Van Aartsen. Sometimes boys initially do it 'voluntarily'. They get money for it and think they'll leave it at that one time. But then they get entangled in prostitution. ]
[ The upcoming cooperation between the municipality of Antwerp and the Dutch children's rights organization is unique for Belgium. "In the Netherlands, the government often cooperates with NGOs, companies and citizens. If we are on the trail, we will transfer that to the police. In Belgium, this cooperation between the government and citizens in the fight against crime is unusual, "says Van Aartsen. ]
[ Organized crime ]
[ Nevertheless, the municipality of Antwerp now also sees that the cooperation is valuable. That is why Antwerp is going to form a team with Terres des Hommes. Van Aartsen: ,, Cross-border child prostitution is a strong example of organized crime. Pimps work together, we also have to join forces if we want to fight. " ]
[ Belgian prostitution official Lieve Huijskens agrees. "Human traffickers do not stop at the border," she says to the Flemish television channel VRT. "If a victim does not immediately want to make a statement to the police and there is still insufficient evidence that there is indeed victimization, it is sometimes easier for a citizens' initiative to continue to gather information," says Huijskens. ]
[ "People who suspect that a loverboy is involved often do not dare to make a declaration", continues Van Aartsen. ,, At Watchnederland.nl you can report anonymously. Please ring the bell with us if there are bad signals. " ]
There's more if you really wanted to look....
Seems to me that the articles content is right on the money....
The article does not list any numbers or even suggest an amount. It also does not even mention Muslim people as being involved.
Like I said that is only one, there are others.... if you cared to look....
And also it does discuss the problem directly even if it doesn't give numbers..... In my book that is a direct dutch site that is reporting on this directly....
Which constitutes....
"....facts from the Netherlands themselves, not from Christian evangelicals in the US."
You want the Numbers.....
OK, Here you go....
Loverboy gefixeerd op 18-plussers
And here is the paragraph which cites the numbers... (and the muslim islamic underground)
Good enough for you now?
I will take that, as the 60% number seems to be consistent. But I will add the problem is not with just Muslim people.
There are Muslim people trying to fight against this as well.
Agreed, it is not a problem of the mainstream religion, it is a problem of the zealots.....
It's always the zealots isn't it......
Sadly zealots come in all stripes.
Then there is always people that are not really faithful of a religion, just more or less use it as a cover.
As well there are those who adhere to their religion and choose to justify their actions by following the most savage and vile and uncivil dictates of it.
I could say that about all three of the Abrahamic religions.
And you would probably find that both Buzz and I (and several others from our side of the aisle) would stand right with you in saying such... cause it is the truth.
Will do, in my defense though, he did ask for direct Dutch references specifically sweets.
I did. I didn't know it was against the rules.
Thanks though.
Of course people notice it, but in European countries, including Scandinavia and England everyone is afraid to say anything about is because they can be fined or jailed for saying anything about it - because of overzealous PC, ultra-multiculturism, and super-inclusiveness in order to comply with EU requirements. Geert Wilders said something about the reason for the destruction of the Netherlands and ended up with being convicted of an offence that earns jail time.
What source? Gatestone Institute is right-biased but accepted by MBFC as a permitted source. Are you telling me you've never seen reports about "Grooming Gangs" and the reluctance of the police to do anything about it? - because if not, your sources are very limited.
Sadly 'grooming gangs' are a worldwide phenomenon. It is not just only happening in this one country. There are sick people like that in Japan, the Philippines and in the US.
I didn't say anything about gatestone, even though I do not like or trust them. I was commenting on their source of information which is a christian evangelical outlet.
They are trying to pin a pedophile ring on the Muslim population where I have yet to see any proof of such claims.
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What misinformation? If you are going to accuse me of lying and spreading falsities, tell me what they are.
did you miss that in the linkage I posted? no one is trying to pin anything on anyone that doesn't deserve it....
It's hard to believe how far some will go with denial, isn't it. It takes a MAN to admit they were wrong.
From my link above.
Well somehow this conversation became split into two distinct threads, yeah I noted that above thread and responded appropiately so I've let this one die.....
Weird.....
I didn't know other languages were not allowed. Just wanted you to know I don't report people and thanks for the links.
Your good my friend I don't report much either.....
The links were not a problem although I probably should have gone the extra mile and translated them after the direct linkage...
I never would have thought to do that.
I wonder if binary is out of the question.
It's almost 10:30 p.m. in my location, so I am now locking this article for the night. I will reopen it in about 9 or 10 hours. Good morning to most, and good night to only a couple.
Now unlocked for the (my) day.
My articles will no longer be locked. We are lucky to have a moderator who is so anxious to show competence in moderating even when not asked to do so that this moderator will reinterpret the ToS and CoC to suit that moderator's intentions notwithstanding those rules are quite clear. I am grateful for that moderator's zeal and attitude so I can sleep at night without worry about problems arising on my articles and seeds. Thank you, moderator, for being so....so....RESPONSIBLE.
I don't find them clear at all, as well as being way too oppressive. And isn't what you just posted, Meta, which should be posted there?