5 Takeaways From Trump’s Meeting With Pelosi and Schumer
She then adopted the pose of fact checker, challenging index cards that Mr. Trump had waved around: “What the president is representing in terms of his cards over there are not factual. We have to have an evidence-based conversation about what does work and what money has been spent and how effective it is.” After she returned to Capitol Hill, Ms. Pelosi said that for Mr. Trump, the wall was “like a manhood thing for him. “As if manhood could ever be associated with him,” she said.
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In another time, the Washington photo opportunity was a steady ritual. Leaders smiled, usually sitting in well-stuffed chairs, at least feigning smiles for the cameras. Pleasantries were spoken. The main objective was to get the picture and say as little as possible.
How quaint. Mr. Trump has turned many of these sessions into either monologues or opportunities for his supporters to tell him what a great job he is doing. This time, when he had a testy confrontation with the Democratic House leader, Nancy Pelosi of California, and Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, Mr. Trump rewrote the playbook again.
Here are some takeaways of the meeting. Trump knows tension makes good television.
Mr. Trump easily could have allowed the television cameras and pool reporters in to briefly record the pro forma portion of the meeting. Instead, he let them linger. And it was not long before the fireworks started. Mr. Trump pressed for funding the border wall, offering numerous false assertions about the construction process.
Ms. Pelosi, hewing to the language of decorum, said, “That is not the point, Mr. President, the point is that there are equities to be weighed, and we are here to have a conversation. So I don’t think we should have a debate in front of the press on this.”
Mr. Trump seemed to think debating in front of the press was precisely the point, and the extraordinary scene unfolded, with shouts, hand waving and zero apparent progress.
This is what divided government looks like.
President Trump could bend Republicans to his will during his first two years in office when they controlled the House and the Senate. But when Democrats won a House majority in the midterm elections in November, the power dynamic shifted markedly.
Ms. Pelosi, who hopes to be speaker when the new session begins in January, made that plain as she stood up to Mr. Trump. Ms. Pelosi is among the most seasoned political players in Washington and has been part of dozens of consequential negotiations. Ms. Pelosi can keep her fellow Democrats in line. She will not fold easily.
Chuck Schumer knows how to goad President Trump.
The two New Yorkers early on feigned a great mutual understanding and sent signals that they could do business. They had earlier held a “cheeseburger summit,” and they dined on Chinese spiced beef, but with little to show for it.
On Tuesday, Mr. Schumer adopted a more confrontational posture. When the president asked Mr. Schumer if he wanted to speak, the senator replied, “ We have a lot of disagreements here. The Washington Post today gave you a whole lot of Pinocchios because they say you constantly misstate how much of the wall is — how much of the wall is built.” That prompted an angry retort from Mr. Trump, saying the last time the government shut down, “you got killed.”
After the meeting and in front of reporters, Mr. Schumer chided Mr. Trump for his “temper tantrum.”
‘Mansplain’ to Pelosi at your peril.
Mr. Trump became piqued after Ms. Pelosi noted a loss of Republican power in Congress, saying, “And excuse me, Nancy, did we win the Senate? We did.”
Mr. Trump then said that “Nancy is in a situation where it is not easy for her to talk right now,” concluding a response to a reporter with a demand for border security.
Ms. Pelosi’s riposte? “Mr. President, please don’t characterize the strength that I bring to this meeting as the leader of the House Democrats, who just won a big victory.”
[It was round one: Nancy Pelosi vs. President Trump.]
She then adopted the pose of fact checker, challenging index cards that Mr. Trump had waved around: “What the president is representing in terms of his cards over there are not factual. We have to have an evidence-based conversation about what does work and what money has been spent and how effective it is.”
After she returned to Capitol Hill, Ms. Pelosi said that for Mr. Trump, the wall was “like a manhood thing for him.
“As if manhood could ever be associated with him,” she said.
Trump would own a shutdown.
“The bottom line is simple,” Mr. Schumer told reporters after the meeting. “The president made clear that he wants a shutdown.” He then repeated Ms. Pelosi’s notion that it would be a “Trump shutdown.”
Being the first to frame a debate is a studied art in Washington. Mr. Trump accepted the responsibility. “I will take the mantle,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Schumer. “I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Correction: December 11, 2018
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: An earlier version of this article misattributed a quotation. It was Senator Chuck Schumer who said, “And when the president brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana, he’s in real trouble,” not Representative Nancy Pelosi.
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Ok Mr. Trump, you said you'd own it, let's see if you really accept it.
What Schumer and, Pelosi should have done in that meeting was remind Trump that he said during the campaign that Mexico would pay for the wall.
One fact not checked was when Pelosi told the President he didn't have enough votes in the House to get a bill with the money for the wall. That is what is not in the article. The rest of the article is recounting the jabs going back and forth.
The bottom line is that the democrats will never allow Trump to keep his key campaign promise. There will be no border wall in the next 2 years. As a matter of fact there will be no congressional action on securing the border in any way.
Even the Senate Republicans admit that a wall isn't practical that is why they didn't included it in their bill that they sent to the House and, why the bill sent FROM the House with the border money in it got rejected by the Senate.
There will be no border wall period.
Hyperbole much? Pelosi has already said her first priority will be to pass a Continuing Resolution with border security money in it, it just won't be money for any kind of wall.
I like many others voted for Donald Trump and his promise of a wall. He won. Why should we settle for anything less.
There will be no border wall period.
Never say never. In 2020 we could have a Republican wave election. Better still we could have a different President, who may be Republican, and he may get a wall done.
Hyperbole much? Pelosi has already said her first priority will be to pass a Continuing Resolution with border security money in it, it just won't be money for any kind of wall.
I will believe it when I see it.
Because of countervailing narratives and influences borne out of the 2018 election cycle. Republicans and conservatives had two solid years to get a southern border wall paid for and started! Care to tell me what happened?! And, Mexico; where is the Mexican people border wall funding from 2017 on?
First, as you know, they had to do it alone and you still need 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. That's just for openers.
And, Mexico; where is the Mexican people border wall funding from 2017 on?
Are you advocating for that part of the promise being kept? The US provides $320 million a year in aid to Mexico. We can easily use that money, thus Mexico would be paying. Are you on board for that?
Nope, the GOP CHOSE to do it 'alone'. There were multiple bipartisan proposals in Congress. None of which made it to a vote on the floor.
That would STILL be taxpayer funded but hey, let's play that game...
There is ALREADY $1.3 BILLION on the table. That would take 4 YEARS to recoup through your aid for wall scenario. Which means not ONE MORE DIME for Trump's picket fence until 2023. I'm in!
The only reason Trump won, as has been told to you and, others many times is because of the electoral college and, he promised that MEXICO was going to pay for that wall, I don't see that happening, he is now demanding that the American taxpayer pay for the wall.
The wall is a Medieval construct, in today's world it is useless and, far too expensive to maintain for the long term, besides.
You just had two years when the Republicans controlled both houses and, the White House, why didn't the Republicans pass funding for the wall during that time? Oh yeah, they tried that in the House under Paul Ryan and, it did pass but, it failed in Mitch McConnell's Senate.
Ah, the dreams of the Right, I think we will have a different president before then, the Republicans in the Senate are getting tired of the Trumpertantrums and, the Trump lies.
Keep watching then but, remember to remove the blinders so you can see it.
And, that isn't even counting the money he already got from Congress for the wall last year, which he hasn't even tapped into yet.
1. Did House Speaker Paul Ryan EVER pass a southern border bill for 2 Billion and up in 2017 or 2018? Why not? The republican numbers were available in the House!
2. Advocating for? Yes! If republicans can justify reappropriating funds designated yearly to Mexico without breaking contractual agreements—take the votes needed and go for it! Note: There may be negative consequences in the long-term, nevertheless.
Good pointing this out. There will be high upkeep costs going forward, and repair costs after it is 'attacked' repeatedly!
Lol, that's the way everybody wins!
Oh yeah, they tried that in the House under Paul Ryan and, it did pass but, it failed in Mitch McConnell's Senate.
Yup, you need 60 votes to pass legislation and the dems would not give it a single vote.
Thanks for making my point
No
Why not?
It may be that Mr Ryan like so many Republicans who get elected to congress, suddenly find themselves torn between those who voted for them and those who contributed to them.
2. Advocating for? Yes! If republicans can justify reappropriating funds designated yearly to Mexico without breaking contractual agreements—take the votes needed and go for it! Note: There may be negative consequences in the long-term, nevertheless.
There usually are consequences. The upside would be worth it. Now that the President realizes he will never get wall funding he may finally consider such measures. I am quite sure he will be prevented from doing it.
Where?
1. This is the single worse consequence of gerrymandering: Politicians are "got" by their constituent community/ies. And, the community is "got" by airways propagandists who percolate divisive POVs twenty-four seven on multiple news and media platforms. And, the politicians work to carve out a core set of voters. The circle is a vicious one, indeed!
2. President Trump is a tireless liar. Thus, we should look to people like you Vic Eldred to try and understand why it is acceptable to hold Trump's mendacity as truth. If unilaterally breaking contractual agreements with Mexico and other nations is a positive thing, perhaps we can keep our mouths shut the next time a nation tells us our nation is a dishonorable, abominable creature which speaks with a 'forked-tongue.
What will other presidents do who come after President Trump, but first spend years repairing the breach (of contracts and hard-feelings) he has established as this nation's new norm?
You really need to get up to date. That's what WAS on the table. Now it's 0.
"H ouse Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., speculated Thursday the reason Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., now says he won't support funding for border wall projects is because it could weaken Rep. Nancy Pelosi's, D-Calif., support of incoming progressive Democrats and her shot at the speakership.
Three days prior to the caucus's statement, Schumer had said his party would support up to $1.6 billion for border projects."
That's interesting. It is the non-commitment to those who voted for politicians which you are ok with. The loyalty of Ryan and others goes to agricultural interests etc and oh ya, the open border policy that changes the political landscape of America.
2. President Trump is a tireless liar. Thus, we should look to people like you Vic Eldred to try and understand why it is acceptable to hold Trump's mendacity as truth. If unilaterally breaking contractual agreements with Mexico and other nations is a positive thing, perhaps we can keep our mouths shut the next time a nation tells us our nation is a dishonorable, abominable creature which speaks with a 'forked-tongue.
We don't owe that money to Mexico. It is aid we provide to help Mexico accomplish things which they are totally incapable of like defeating the drug cartels. It is Mexico which has not lived up to the agreement. Btw, the personal attack is unnecessary. Let's stick to the merits of the conversation. Calling the President names dosen't advance your argument either.
It's always been $0 for the border wall but they did offer $1.6 billion for border security and want to create an electronic or digital wall instead because that's a far more effective use of funds than a pointless boondoggle physical wall.
they did offer $1.6 billion for border security
Yup. Now it's 0
1. I am not sure what you mean here. You seem to be saying that loyalty is to the coin of the realm and the quality of life it alone can bring to us. What other qualities should matter? Afterall, we teach quite a stirring spectrum of rights and wrongs to each new generation in this country. Paul Ryan's speakership was clumsy because he allowed a temperamental president to inject intellectual dishonesty into his body of Congress - all in the name of expediency. As time will demonstrate, little to nothing Trump has accomplished will remain after his departure from office. Trump started the 'insults' to good policy, which others will cap off in due time.
2. I am not speaking up for Mexico. I am simply pointing out that matters must be dealt with using order and finesse where appropriate and contracts exist. (I do not know if signed agreements are extant.) BTW, President Trump is a compulsive liar. Come face to face with the truth in this statement. Then, ask what kind of man is incapable of telling the truth when moral uprightness is a mark of excellence in a leader. Why stand with a deliberate liar? Trump's family is with him, because he is blood-kin. What is there for us to put faith in?
Wrong, the $1.6 B is still on the table, it was never taken off.
Seems to me that both sides are talking past each other here and that the disagreement is largely semantics. Trump has admitted that a physical wall is not practical in some border areas, and liberals agree that a physical barrier in some places IS practical. I'm one of the few people who believe this dispute will be solved easily.
If Trump wants his wall, (or whatever you want to call it) he needs to come up with an actual plan. Identify all the areas he wants to put up a barrier, the areas he wants to employ other security measures, what these measures are, and what the total cost will be for the entire project. There is a lot of confusion surrounding this standoff; we need a specific plan so we can debate the issue.
Up to date would mean acknowledging that the House is STILL controlled by the GOP and that Schumer isn't a member.
Schumer allowed McConnell to pass his CR by voice vote. Paul Ryan refused to bring that CR to the House floor for a vote.
But hey, McCarthy got the talking point memo and just like Trump, instead of manning up and taking the blame for lack of leadership, he spewed the fabricated justification for the GOPs failure.
BTFW, your link doesn't state that Schumer has taken his offer off of the table...
I'd suggest that you let Schumer speak for himself rather than accepting McCarthy's bullshit.
The ONLY reason for this 'stand off' is that Trump reneged on his agreement to sign a stop gap CR. Trump screwed McConnell and bullied Ryan merely because the neo-nationalist talking heads called him a looser...
Evidently
You seem to be saying that loyalty is to the coin of the realm and the quality of life it alone can bring to us.
If that was your impression, I'm sorry, I didn't imply that.
What other qualities should matter?
The will of the people. The Constitution provides that only the people's elected representatives can legislate and make law. Part of the reason for that is that legislators might be responsive to their constituents, not to special interests or elitist ideologies.
As time will demonstrate, little to nothing Trump has accomplished will remain after his departure from office. Trump started the 'insults' to good policy, which others will cap off in due time.
That could be true. It was true for the leftist Obama after two terms. On the other hand we never know what the future holds. Did we not learn that in the election of 2016?
I am not speaking up for Mexico. I am simply pointing out that matters must be dealt with using order and finesse where appropriate and contracts exist. (I do not know if signed agreements are extant
You have no worries, even if the President was disposed to try my idea, somehow he will be prevented from doing it. Anything that the President was going to accomplish with legislation, he had to do in those first two years. He was poorly advised by Paul Ryan and a few establishment Republicans in the House and obstructed by a few "never Trumpers" in the Senate. His "wall" idea is dead and our immigration disaster won't be solved for the near future.
BTW, President Trump is a compulsive liar. Come face to face with the truth in this statement. Then, ask what kind of man is incapable of telling the truth when moral uprightness is a mark of excellence in a leader. Why stand with a deliberate liar?
A valid complaint. To answer your question as directly as I can:
1) I stand by him because I am totally pleased with his PERFORMANCE as President.
2) Whatever "lies" or embellishment he has told or made is 100 times less egregious than what progressives have done to this nation.
Re-read Post #1.3.15
I suggest you admit that progressives will NEVER allow this President to build a wall. After all, it was his key campaign promise and he must be denied.
So, you stand with a president who lies upwards of 7,000 plus times since taking office, see data of folks who count lies, and this totally pleases you.
Let's stick with this for a moment: Is a leader, any leader, intended to inspire confidence in his or her supporters? When did being a compulsive liar become a model for inspiration? President Donald Trump inspires conservatives?
Okay, how about this 'expert-grade' lie:
and this 'expert-grade' lie as a backstop:
You wrote @1.3.23:
"Anything that the President was going to accomplish with legislation, he had to do in those first two years. He was poorly advised by Paul Ryan and a few establishment Republicans in the House and obstructed by a few "never Trumpers" in the Senate. His "wall" idea is dead. . . ."
So conservatives were unabashedly lied to for two solid years and instead of blaming the compulsive liar in the White House, conservatives continue to draw inspiration from him. But, now your house confederates are 'worthless' men and women? That seems delusional to me.
President Donald Trump is a lying, cheating, thieving, deceiver, and user,and it is well pass time for conservatives to see him for what he really is. What he has done to your party through deception is unconscionable!
I suggest that YOU admit that progressives have NOTHING to do with it since Trump's 'key campaign promise' was to build a wall that MEXICO paid for.
Trump and his sycophants KNEW that his promise was BULLSHIT and now they want to pretend that they aren't moving the goal posts...and are desperately trying to save face by blaming the Democrats.
From where I sit it sure looks like Mexico is not paying for the wall and republicans in Congress are not paying for it, and republicans having "chicken dinner sells" are not paying for it either!
REPUBLICAN AUDIENCE:
BEST PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN CON JOB OF THE CENTURY AWARD!
That many? You don't say?
see data of folks who count lies
I don't know about them, but I became exhausted of Trump tweets about a year ago.
Yup we are blaming democrats - the same ones who wanted to build a wall about a decade ago.
Vic, you are "exhausted" to keep from crying? Well, it gets worse! 2019 begins Tuesday!! The meter is still 'clocking' the con in real-time.
So much for the party of personal responsibility.
Link proving that Democrats wanted to build a wall please...
Are you exhausted with his campaign rallies were he LIES ad nauseam too? How about his driveway LIES? How about his LIES to and about our military? Exhausted with that yet?
The dems have one card to play and they are heavily invested in playing it. We will see how that works out for them
The word WALL does NOT exist in that bill.
FAIL!
Oh and
I'm tickled to death he has two Justices who believe in Constitutional law on the SCOTUS and many more in the lower courts. I'm delighted that he lifted those regulations on business, gave the nation a tax cut, got the radical idealism out of the university, degraded ISIS, stood by Israel, rebuilt the depleted military and most of all put some tariffs on those who were doing it to us for so long.
But, ya, he does talk like a construction worker. Dosen't that just gall ya?
Still hung up on words?
Deflection...
No answer?
You didn't like the answer
Since we are communicating in WORDS, it would follow that WORDS would be paramount.
It never fails that every time one of y'all are incapable of supporting what you SAY, WORDS suddenly become irrelevant...
It wasn't an answer, it was just blathering to avoid the questions.
And for "y'all" the word Wall is the ultimate buzz word. Trump wants it therefore progressive politicians put their careers on the line so that he dosen't get it! They vote for a fence, but not a wall. And everyone knows the way words are being used - symbolically.
It was a direct answer. In 2006 had the word fence been replaced by wall, the dems would have voted for it. It was part of a concession. It is only when Trump used the word wall that it took on importance. He promised it and progressives want to show that he can't deliver. But its so silly. We all all know he can't deliver because of them.
Please don't insult us construction workers like that.
Do you work in construction?
Wait WHAT? YOU used the word wall didn't you? Let's see:
Yup, that sure as hell was YOU.
You claimed that Democrats wanted to build a WALL and link a bill that cites 'reinforced fencing'.
Your claim was false, your link doesn't support it, and now you deflect from that FACT.
Now it's a 'symbolic' wall.
Tell you what, I'm for symbolic funding your symbolic wall...
It's symbolic to you and the progressives.
Tell you what
No, I'll tell you what, let's take all your distinctions between wall and fence and submit them to Robert Mueller. Then Mueller can switch & mix em in his Trump questionnaire. If the President confuses them - you get him for perjury and Mueller can file his report on schedule - just as the dems take over the House. Why not put all your hard work to good use?
Bullshit.
Prove it. Prove that there was an Amendment to the bill to build a WALL, a proposal to build a WALL, that they even mentioned a fucking WALL in the debate. I'll wait...
Now you're dumping on Trump. YOU made the word WALL important in THIS discussion. Own it...
Again, bullshit. Trump said 'a wall, NOT a fence'. Trump can't deliver because it was a bullshit promise from the START.
Kelly just admitted in and interview that they backed off of the wall as early as last August [because the experts DON'T WANT ONE] but Trump just could NOT STOP LYING.
Y'all pretend that we need to listen to the experts but when they say that a wall is impractical, that it would block their ability to SEE the other side. Now suddenly Trump meant a 'symbolic' wall. This bullshit even though Trump had ACTUAL prototypes of WALLS built to spec and went down there to thump his chest on how BIG and BEAUTIFUL and SOLID they were...
The load of bullshit just gets bigger and bigger...
False.
They aren't MY distinctions, they are Trump's. Trump is the one that said "a WALL, NOT a fence".
Oh and then there is the distinction in the well understood DEFINITION of both terms.
It sure does. You have proved that everything I said was true. The word Wall is all important to the rotten left because Trump made a promise to build one. I want you to own it. You are consumed by it as are Pelosi and Schumer...... A wall is a non-starter. Neither is border security, but it's all about denying that wall.
Now that you have done me a favor, I'll do one for you. I'm going to allow you the last word. I know how important that is to you.
If I'm not around over the next few days, have a Happy New Year!
I have? Where did I prove that the Democrats wanted to build a wall Vic. Please cite the comment #.
That is an idiotic comment.
You'll just have to live with disappointment.
False.
FINALLY, a cogent sentence.
The bill passed UNANIMOUSLY in the Senate had funding for border security.
FAIL!
Wow, that's some projection right there Vic...
Happy New Year to you too...
Well, get rested up for January 1, 2019, because President Trump probably already has his new year 'resolution' lie primed and ready to go for his defenders of "dirty big lies."
This one almost made it to the new year, but got in just before the curtain fell on 2018!
Verified account @ realDonald Trump
7:07 AM - 21 Dec 2018
The Democrats now own the shutdown!
Now what 'card' are conservatives playing? You do understand the idiom: " forked tongue " means to tell lies and to make false promises?
NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION!
Conservatives, some of y'all need to stop covering up for Trump's big lies.
Let the compulsive liar defend himself: The 'tape' speaks for itself!
Yo!
Republicans-conservatives! 2019 is the year to take back your party from President Donald Trump. Speak up for truth, integrity, yourself!
Poor wittle man child didn't get his way so now he wants to shut down the government. The fat orange traitor in chief got OWNED.
President Trump overheated today! Get ready, get ready, get ready! There are more sweaty days ahead just like this one. Ms. Pelosi has endured the slings and arrows from out-right propaganda/ists. She survived John Boehner's and Paul Ryan's speakerships, and all the saddest and disappointing acts of desperate republican men (and women) expressing power over her minority leadership status. Considering all that: Donald Trump, 'the pol Cripple' will be easy!
His way is a more secure border. What's wrong with that?
Nothing...now when the check from Mexico is cashed he can build it as high and as wide as the money allows.
You can pay for a wall that won't stop shit.
You do realize that they have ladders in Mexico right?
Your shiny new $5billion wall rendered useless by a $50 ladder.
Or rappelling equipment
The first thing Schumer did when he had his opportunity to speak was call T-rump a liar.
It went downhill from there.
Even the liberal talking heads here in Seattle are saying it was like a gathering of little children having a snitty temper tantrum between themselves.....
What I heard of it, makes you wonder how any of them got into the positions they now hold......
It sure didn't sound to me like any of them had any business setting policy or running a budget for a lemonade stand much less the United States of America.
A bunch of bratty little children..... ALL OF THEM!
When they are all equally bratty children, as you say, things usually come down to compromise. A rumor from day's of olde...
With Mr Trump and the stand in for Mr. Pence,
compromise seems like seems like something as far fetched as a colony on Mars, or peace in the Middle East.
Oh I gotta agree with ya here......
Haven't seen anything like it since I was a volunteer playground monitor at the local elementary school.....
And to think they are playing with the lives of millions......
Let's face it, this is what Trump wanted, a playground smackdown between the Democratic leaders in the Congress and, himself in front of cameras in real time. It didn't turn out quite the way he wanted but, he did accomplish two things in doing it, getting Pelosi and, Schumer to come down to his level and, putting his usual lies out there again.
Why? Did they threaten to shut the government down if he didn't cave on their demands?
Whom would that actually hurt again ?
And don't say the Government Employee "Paycheck" stuff. Those "Folks" NEVER lose anything.
Why? Because, they won't kiss Trump's ass? He was offered 1.5 billion for his wall and, border security and, he has to say, "I don't care how it gets built but, I want my wall, have the military build it, if it doesn't get built I'll shutdown the government." He's doing nothing but, throwing a Trumpertantrum.
Well, to be fair to Schumer, per his usual pattern all Trump did was lie about the wall and border security. Soooo.
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Point being my friend, is that the way to start out a discussion where both sides want something from the other?
Seems to me it was done to start exactly what was shown, a bunch of babbling cry-babies. Pelosi wanting to keep it off-air so she wouldn't be shown in the same light?
Sounded to me like a dog and pony show with three players that aren't very good at it....
I don't see how anyone should have any confidence in that clown show from any side... and we got two more years of this crap coming to us.....
He's not a liar?
Schumer? Yes.
Nice deflect...ignore the biggest liar because he's not the one you hate.
BTW .What happened to your 3 year old Kemala Harris conspiracy seed? LOL
As I said in an earlier post, Pelosi tried to get Trump to take their conversation behind closed doors but he was having none of that. He thought that the democrat leadership was going to kiss his backside like the republican leadership has been doing.
NWM - He is the President, not Pelosi and not Schumer. He has absolutely no skills in leadership or negotiating. He allowed this meeting to turn into a frocking reality show just like he's forced the whole government to become a part of this shit show.
The reason why everything has gone south is because the GOP created this false sense of reality for Trump. He thought he was king. This is the republicans fault.
Okay, as long as you are aware it's an opinion many people don't share.
His "reality show" is about to get canceled
Democrats love to claim they believe in things they actually hate, like transparency. (see also: tolerance) Obama promised it, but then his administration was one of the least transparent ever. Pelosi also is afraid to let the American people see how the sausage is made. Trump is like President Transparency. He may not have a lot of official press conferences, but he lets cameras into real meetings and he talks to the press constantly.
Does he now? And that's a good thing? That's what diplomacy, negotiation, and compromise look like? That's what leadership looks like? If Trump were "goading" anyone, the mainstream media would excoriate him for it. But if Schumer does it, he's some kind of heroic statesman. Talk about your double standards!
Ah! Throw in a little misandry, as well. This is applauded on the Left, of course. Just as with Schumer, we see the double standard again. Trump is criticized 24/7 for making insults (and I don't support that either), but Pelosi does this and the Left cheers her on.
If Trump doesn't get his wall funded he's going to shut the government down...
Ask yourself those questions again.
Thank you Jayzus!! Somebody has to be the adult in the room. It wasn't Pelosi that had to call later and make nice, now was it?
He got owned in public, he thought it would be the other way around.
He knows if he shuts the government down they'll go right in to hearings and the Republicans are going to have to make the hard choices.
Your comment was typical of the depth and forethought we have come to expect.
Trump wanted a meeting in front of the press he knew he was going to be able to get them into a "cat fight" in front of them so, that is what he worked towards but, it turned against him in the end, I will say this, the one thing Schumer and, Pelosi should have done was remind him that during the campaign he said Mexico would pay for the wall, he even led chants of Mexico will pay for it.
Obama isn't involved in this please don't bring him up again in this seed.
If Trump is so transparent then why doesn't he let Mueller alone to do his job? What is Trump hiding and, why is he hiding it?
No, for the most part his press briefings are his sycophants sitting there agreeing with him on everything he says and, when a hard question is asked he ends the press briefing.
What we saw at the end was Pelosi doing exactly what Trump does, demeaning someone because of who they are.
Trump is the one who said he would "own the shutdown" that he wasn't "afraid to own it", so, when Trump shuts down the government because he is unwilling to work with the Democratic House and, the Democrats in the Senate because they won't give him 5 billion for his precious wall remember that.
And, many on here repeat those same insults that Trump makes as if that is alright.
I take exception to Ms. Pelosi's "manhood" reference. So there is one liberal voice in dissension. She did not clarify why she thought this particular expression was helpful either—not even as in a bit of anger.
Let me help you out, if I may.
You know how some men who buy big, flashy cars to compensate for a shortcoming?
Well, trmp's "Big, beautiful Wall" is compensation for a shortcoming.
And being the juvenile person that I am, I thought it was funny
You juvenile? Never!
HA!
I knew you would like my explanation.
I always appreciate someone who has a large enough sense of presence to be able to laugh at themselves....
Always a sign of higher intelligence....
You go girl!
Well, thank you very much
"President Transpar——," try reality television star who has never seen a camera or "press" he did not think he could enjoy or do an "end-run" around. Media manipulation is a thing with the Trump "machine."
But, on that note, people have been heard to say since days of old: "If Trump could be quiet more than he prattles on and on, we would not get tired of the sound of his voice and mute our speakers. Moreover, he just might appear less as a fool!
I am so glad Ms. Pelosi stood up to the "bully-in-chief and his microphone." Now, Trump sycophants can not go on social media and 'mouth off' about how "Nancy got owned by Trump" because: It. Did. Not. Happen!
Transparency for manipulation sake is not good transparency!
she's good at that. It is about all she good at but she good at that .
I bet she's pretty wild in the sack too!
Oh no she did not! Your 'boy' Trump threw decorum out the window. She partially curbed him for ignoring all the 'cautions.' President Trump tried to show-out (shine) on her; but 'not today' —Ms. Pelosi threw a rope on that bull-headed prez and strapped-in for a long, sweet, ride in the White House!
Yippie-yi-yo-ki-yay! She's a cow-girl now!
Nancy and Chuck looked like little kids, sitting there afraid to look their teacher in the eye.
It was fun to watch Chuck and Nancy squirm, as Trumped leaned in and gave them their "What for's". LOL !
Politicians don't like to be told to "Sit Down and Shut up" !
Buckle up buttercups. The next two years is going to be a bumpy ride.
Clearly neither side intends to work towards the high ground and the loser. like usual, will be all American citizens.
You mean like it has been since 2009?
Lol, if you really believe that, what rock you been living under?
What rock have you been living under? Don't you remember Mitch McConnell and, the rest of the Republicans saying in 2009, "We will make him a one term president" and, when that didn't work they tried to repeal Obamacare 70 freaking times and, while all that was going on they tried to prove that there was something going on with the Benghazi attack and, lets not forget Clintons emails. Yep, there was all kinds of crap going on, on the Republican side of the isle. It's amazing to me when it is done to the right the true snowflakes come out and, whine about how it isn't fair and, patriotism is doing whatever Trump says to do. We don't have a dictator or, a king, he is a president and, has to answer to the other two branches of government. Get use to it.
Oh, let's see here, can you provide with a list of Democrats in the House and, the Senate that worked to make sure that none of George W.'s bills got passed or, provide me with a list of Democrats who did the same under BushI or, Reagan? Show me a list of Democrats who made it their jobs to shutdown the government under these administrations or, to undermine and, investigate the president and, his staff or, to vote to repeal legislation that was passed by a majority of Congress 70 times while they had control of Congress, please I would love to see that list.
My "Fav" line came from Pelosi, when she said the "Legislative" branch came to Trump in "Good Faith", after this new "Legislative" branch already said they were not going to give Trump what he wanted anyway, before this "Sit Down" !!
Too Fucking Funny !
REMEMBER, Pelosi and Chucky were for 25B in border security, before they weren't. Typical Liberal Rhetoric as USUAL.
True, They offered him $1,300,000,000 for the wall and he threatened to shut the government down.
Great compromise tactic...and then he had to call her later and make nice.
They "Offered" 25 Billion during the "Obama" debacle for this same thing. What's "Changed" ?
When was that?
Ohhhhh not much....maybe a bit of debunking your comment, nothing unusual.
Checking 9.2.3 would explain it to you.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Link to that?
Don't hold your breath on that one. All you'll get is sidestepping, deflections, and nonsense.
Yep, offered it to stop the shutdown,
So was backstepping on DACA
Trust you to tell the rest of the story
High Five!
Great find. Thanks!
Even more amusing when he comes up with facts that prove his point and someone has no way to debunk it.
Yep dog and pony show, you know it was one when both sides leave it smiling like they achieved something....
Let's unpack the meeting......
Three traps that Trump set for Pelosi and Schumer………..
Ok, my computer is in the shop at this time, it got a cold. So, I'm shutting this down whenever I'm not able to be on it since it will be 24 hrs before I can get back on it at the soonest, right now I have 63 minutes left on the library computer.
Open for one hour twenty minutes.