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Watch: Why You Should Be a Nationalist

  

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Watch: Why You Should Be a Nationalist
But it wasn’t long ago that great political figures such as Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt, David Ben-Gurion and Mahatma Gandhi, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher recognized what I call the virtue of nationalism. So, what is this virtue? A nationalist believes that the world is governed best when nations are free to chart their own independent course, cultivating their traditions and pursuing their interests without interference. Nationalism is not about racism. All nations are...

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It’s undeniable: Around the world, nationalism is on the march, and the media and reigning political elites would have you believe this is a dangerous disaster in the making. So, why is Yoram Hazony, author of The Virtue of Nationalism, unafraid?


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Britain votes to leave the European Union. The United States elects a president who says he’ll put “America First.”



Around the world, nationalism is winning elections. Many see this nationalist revival as the great danger of our time, fearing that nationalism will take us back to a more primitive and racist past.

But it wasn’t long ago that great political figures such as Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt, David Ben-Gurion and Mahatma Gandhi, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher recognized what I call the virtue of nationalism.

So, what is this virtue?

A nationalist believes that the world is governed best when nations are free to chart their own independent course, cultivating their traditions and pursuing their interests without interference. Nationalism is not about racism. All nations are internally diverse. And it isn’t about isolationism.



Of course, nations can a pursue a variety of different policies in diplomacy and trade. Nationalism is the opposite of imperialism—or globalism or transnationalism—which are all names for the attempt to bring peace and prosperity to the world by uniting mankind under a single political authority.

The debate between nationalists and globalists, then, is over whether we should aspire to a world of many independent nations—or to be one unified super-state, like the enlightened “Federation” of the Star Trek movies. A case can be made for both sides of the argument. But for the last 30 years—really, since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the end of the Soviet Union—the “one world“ side has been dominant.

Today, this is changing. Maybe not among elites, but among ordinary citizens—or, as they are known in America, “the deplorables.” It turns out that a lot of people still think good borders make good neighbors.

It’s hardly surprising that people want to preserve the way of life they and their ancestors built up over centuries, the way of life they believe is best. It’s human nature. Our strongest loyalties are to those who are closest to us: to our family; then the larger community or “tribe”, and finally, to the nation.

Long ago, it was discovered that the key to human freedom is to build political life out of this natural loyalty. By putting decision-making in the hands of the family, the community, and the independent nation, you could get people to cooperate with one another, join in the common defense and willingly obey laws. The only alternative to this kind of community and nation-based politics is to use force—to coerce obedience. In the 20 th  century, communism and Nazism both sought to impose a universal vision at gunpoint. Both the communists and the Nazis were imperialists: They wanted to eliminate the independent nations of the world.

Nationalism holds that borders are crucial: The border is where each nation’s ambitions should stop. This idea first appears in the Bible, where Moses gives borders to Israel and tells the Jews they’ll be punished if they trouble their neighbors.

True to its biblical roots, the Protestant Reformation of the 16 th  century made the independent nation-state the political cornerstone of the modern world. When Henry VIII declared that England would no longer obey dictates from Rome, he became Europe’s first true nationalist.

Soon, additional nations declared their independence: the Dutch from Spain, and America from Britain, to cite just two examples. The competition among these newly independent peoples led to an explosion of innovation, bringing unprecedented progress in science, industry and government.

For nearly four hundred years, the principle of national independence served as the foundation for a better, freer world. But World War I and World War II changed everything. Traumatized by these catastrophic conflicts, many now seek comfort in a simplistic narrative, ceaselessly repeated: that “nationalism caused two world wars and the Holocaust.” But this is one of the great untruths of our time. Adolph Hitler was no nationalist. He was an imperialist. If his ambitions had been limited to ruling Germans, it would have been terrible for Germany, but the French, the British, the Russians, and everyone else would have been spared a world war.

Sadly, European elites learned the wrong lesson, believing that independent nations are inherently dangerous. Better, they reasoned, that all countries should live under one government.

In 1992, this vision gave birth to the European Union. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher hated the idea. She didn’t want the bureaucrats in Brussels making decisions for Brits in Birmingham. But in the utopian 1990s, Britain thought it was better to dump Thatcher and go with Brussels. It’s the spirit of Margaret Thatcher and, indeed, of Henry VIII, that reasserted itself in Britain’s vote for independence from Europe in June 2016. Donald Trump tapped into the same spirit of nationalism five months later, in November 2016.

Nationalism is making a comeback. If you care about freedom, you should hope it succeeds.

I’m Yoram Hazony, author of  The Virtue of Nationalism , for Prager University.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    7 years ago

“Today, this is changing. Maybe not among elites, but among ordinary citizens—or, as they are known in America, “the deplorables.” It turns out that a lot of people still think good borders make good neighbors.

It’s hardly surprising that people want to preserve the way of life they and their ancestors built up over centuries, the way of life they believe is best. It’s human nature. Our strongest loyalties are to those who are closest to us: to our family; then the larger community or “tribe”, and finally, to the nation.

Long ago, it was discovered that the key to human freedom is to build political life out of this natural loyalty. By putting decision-making in the hands of the family, the community, and the independent nation, you could get people to cooperate with one another, join in the common defense and willingly obey laws. The only alternative to this kind of community and nation-based politics is to use force—to coerce obedience. In the 20th century, communism and Nazism both sought to impose a universal vision at gunpoint. Both the communists and the Nazis were imperialists: They wanted to eliminate the independent nations of the world.

Nationalism holds that borders are crucial: The border is where each nation’s ambitions should stop. This idea first appears in the Bible, where Moses gives borders to Israel and tells the Jews they’ll be punished if they trouble their neighbors.

True to its biblical roots, the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century made the independent nation-state the political cornerstone of the modern world. When Henry VIII declared that England would no longer obey dictates from Rome, he became Europe’s first true nationalist.”

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    7 years ago
"nationalism is on the march" Donald Trump tapped into the same spirit of nationalism
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.1    7 years ago

Totally false and the seeded article shows that our nationalism is exactly the opposite of the national socialism which you linked to above.  

 
 
 
lib50
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2  lib50    7 years ago

Be a proud nationalist, which hasn't thrown off the taint of the fascism of the mid 20th century.  Just don't be shocked when you are linked to the racism of the neo-nazi's and white supremacists today.  Because they call themselves nationalists too.  We haven't forgotten, even if you want to.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @2    7 years ago
Just don't be shocked when you are linked to the racism of the neo-nazi's and white supremacists today.

True. Sadly, some people are that stupid and fail to grasp the not-very-subtle difference between Fascism and ordinary nationalism. That, or they are deliberately obtuse because of politics. Either way, it can make having a real discussion about policy very difficult.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    7 years ago

Both strains of socialism, communism and fascism were not nationalist but imperialist, trying to usurp the nationalist independence of many nations in their way.  

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
2.1.2  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    7 years ago

Enough of your crap trying to pretend nationalism is good and fascism is some liberal left wing thing.  You can call yourself whatever the hell you want, you CANNOT redefine nationalism to omit what it was during WWII and the Holocaust.   Nationalism is not separated from its recent historical past yet, and you can't make it happen just because you want.  Even a simple definition of nationalism is nothing  brag about.

Nationalism vs. Patriotism

Nationalism is not the same as patriotism. While patriotism is a bit more of a vague word to describe the love and devotion to a country, its ideals and values, nationalism is more the promotion of a nation's culture, language, and supremacy above others. In this sense, nationalism is often race or ethnicity-driven, which can have dangerous implications.

Patriotism can be seen in things like the singing of the national anthem at a World Cup soccer game, the decorations on a table for the 4 th of July, or the dedication service men and women show through their heroism. It is far less ideologically destructive than nationalism and doesn't necessitate the same devotions.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lib50 @2.1.2    7 years ago

True nationalism equals genuine patriotism. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lib50 @2    7 years ago

They are not us!  The bottom line.  

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    7 years ago

In case you did not know, Nazi is short for Nationalist. Any other questions?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3.1  Tacos!  replied to  JBB @3    7 years ago
Nazi is short for Nationalist

Not quite. It's short for "National Socialist." And In case you did not know, there are many, many varieties of nationalism. The very concept of a nation-state is nationalist. Any country is - at some level - nationalist.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @3.1    7 years ago

Well said.  Progressives like to leave the S word out of the description of that fascist regime. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    7 years ago

Many words, symbols, and practices need to be taken back from the tyrants of history. It used to be you could name a kid "Adolf." Not anymore. And tiny mustaches used to be all the rage.

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tomwcraig
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5  tomwcraig    7 years ago

Why should you be a Nationalist?  

Very simply, because if you like your lifestyle, you don't want to lose it.  By being a Globalist, you are essentially telling people either your lifestyle and money is too much or too powerful for someone else to take from you by force or by subtlety.  But, everyone needs to remember that no matter your wealth or lifestyle, someone else can always come in and take it from you.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  tomwcraig @5    7 years ago

Thus the need to put America first.  We are an exceptional nation made up of exceptional people from all over the world and we need to protect what we Americans have achieved. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6  Dulay    7 years ago

BUTT the 'reigning political elites' in the US are neo-nationalists Republicans and have been for almost 2 years. They haven't said a damn thing about 'this is a dangerous disaster in the making'. They're all in...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6    7 years ago

The globalist establishment of the GOP still has way too much power in the party. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    7 years ago

Oh PLEASE! If you didn't have the 'globalists' or the 'deep state' to blame for how bad Trump sucks, where would you be? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.1    7 years ago

Trump is doing a good job.  It’s his UnAmerican disloyal opposition that sucks, not him.   

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    7 years ago

You should read Mattis' resignation letter, listen to what they're all saying about Trump giving up in Syria, and what they're saying about him reneging on signing the CR.

That's all in ONE day...

Ya, Trump is GREAT! /s  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.3    7 years ago

He will sign the one passed by the House. 

 
 
 
tomwcraig
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6.1.5  tomwcraig  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.4    7 years ago

Only if McConnell actually returns the Senate back to their original rules from 1790 and has a simple majority vote on the bill.  Otherwise, the Democrats will kill it by filibuster as they march to Chuck Schumer's drumbeat.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.1.6  Studiusbagus  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.4    7 years ago

Better make sure it gets through the senate first.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.7  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.4    7 years ago
He will sign the one passed by the House. 

Well gee Xx, that would be relevant if that was how this shit worked. It isn't. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.7    7 years ago

Then the government will be shut down until the house and senate can jointly pass a bill the president will sign.  Right now both houses passed a bill and the government is shut down partially only due to the Schumer shutdown filibuster.   

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.9  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.8    7 years ago
Right now both houses passed a bill and the government is shut down partially only due to the Schumer shutdown filibuster.

Wait WHAT?

Trump said:

I will shut it down

I will be PROUD to shut it down

I will take the mantel and I won't blame you.  

Pence told McConnell that Trump would sign the bill so McConnell brought it to the floor that was passed with a voice vote, in short, unanimously. 

Then Trump reneged after listening to the neo-nationalists on TV and talk radio.

Then the House passed a bill that they KNEW would NOT pass the Senate, in short, a SAFE irrelevant vote. 

Yet YOU blame it on Schumer and Trump, predictably, fails to take responsibility, as he promised that he would, and blames Democrats. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.9    7 years ago

The fact remains that the house passed a bill with the wall money.  The senate got a majority to support the house bill with the Vice President tie breaker.  It is only the senate filibuster that is closing the government now.  A senate minority is the cause of the shutdown plain and simple.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.11  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.10    7 years ago
The senate got a majority to support the house bill with the Vice President tie breaker.

There isn't a 'tie breaker' for passing a BILL in the Senate. Anyone who has watched Schoolhouse Rock knows that...

It is only the senate filibuster that is closing the government now.

As it has with EVERY government shut down.

A senate minority is the cause of the shutdown plain and simple.

Only those who insist on ignoring the clear statements by Trump believe that this issue is 'plain and simple'. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @6.1.11    7 years ago
As it has with EVERY government shut down.

Then how is it that when the government shutdown during Obama because he would not sign a budget that was missing a part he wanted,  it was the Republicans minority that wasfault. Now that the rolls are reversed it is still,  according to the left,  the Republicans fault. How convienuent for you. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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6.1.13  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @6.1.11    7 years ago

Tell us Dulay  how does Obama not signing a spending bill unless it had what he wanted in it differ from Trump. 

Please enlighten us with your vast knowledge.

 
 
 
PJ
Masters Quiet
6.1.14  PJ  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.13    7 years ago

Sometimes it depends on what the funding is for.  Do you have a link of the incident with Obama.    

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Quiet
6.1.15  KDMichigan  replied to  PJ @6.1.14    7 years ago
Do you have a link of the incident with Obama.    

I forgot that the left blamed Republicans. Any facts wouldn't change your mind.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.16  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.12    7 years ago

Perhaps you should review the comment your are replying to. WE were talking about the filibuster, NOT the minority. DO try to keep up...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.17  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.13    7 years ago

Since you brought up that straw man, why don't YOU explain it...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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6.1.18  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @6.1.17    7 years ago

That's what I thought....

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.19  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.18    7 years ago
That's what I thought....

Then why bring up the straw man? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
6.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.8    7 years ago
Schumer shutdown filibuster.

Um, still a republican congress.... Your suggestion that ONE person is what is causing the partial shutdown is flat out dishonest...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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6.1.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.20    7 years ago
Your suggestion that ONE person is what is causing the partial shutdown is flat out dishonest...

Why ?

I think Trumpp is clearly to blame

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.1.22  arkpdx  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.21    7 years ago

And you would be wrong. 

Again! 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
6.1.23  igknorantzrulz  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.22    7 years ago

ask him yourself

he stated as much 

he said HE would own it right there live on  tv to ole Chucky Schumer

.

r u going to dispute Your POTUS ?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.20    7 years ago

It is Schumer and his minority democrats in the senate alone that is responsible for the present shutdown.  No one else bears any responsibility.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.15    7 years ago

That is the liberal way...

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.26  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.24    7 years ago

You get ONE guess who said this: 

“Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide.”

And this:

“Well, very simply, you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He’s got to get [the Speaker of the House] and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice, and be angry, and be wild, and cajole, and do all sorts of things. But you have to get a deal.”

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.26    7 years ago

The bottom line is that the house passed a bill the president would sign and so would the senate if not for Chucky dolls filibuster.  Now Trump is saying what I said over the weekend, that the 25% shutdown will last until there is some reasonable funding for the border wall.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.28  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.27    7 years ago
The bottom line is that the house passed a bill the president would sign 

That's YOUR bottom line.

and so would the senate if not for Chucky dolls filibuster.

Ironically, even Trump knows how the Senate works. You should listen to him. 

Now Trump is saying what I said over the weekend, that the 25% shutdown will last until there is some reasonable funding for the border wall.

Again, ironically, only a fraction of the 1.6 billion from the last budget was spent as of the end of September. They said that they'd get at least 800,000 million spent by Oct. 1. It looks like 'reasonable funding' would be LESS, not more since Trump can't even figure out how to spend what he ALREADY HAS.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.29  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.28    7 years ago

The partial shutdown will last as long as it takes to get some funding for the wall or until the end of the FY on September 30, 2019.  Whichever comes first. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
6.1.30  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.29    7 years ago
The partial shutdown will last as long as it takes to get some funding for the wall or until the end of the FY on September 30, 2019.  Whichever comes first. 

Well that will definitely make Trump a historical figure. 

Of course, the Congress may burst your bubble and DO THEIR JOB...

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7  bbl-1    7 years ago

I see the Russian Federation's FSB is still busy with fake crap, fear crap and Lil' Kim loves Trump crap.

As far as nationalist?  Hell yeah, build the friggen wall.  Every Trump voter send the Trump $80 for the first installment.  Then prepare to ante up for the next 500 installments.  Gawd, what a bunch of rubes.  Besides, I though Mexico was going to pay for it.  Trumpers really that dumb?

no s/ here

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @7    7 years ago

Build that wall.  

 
 

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