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Florida city wages soviet-style crackdown on churches

  

Category:  Religion & Ethics

Via:  xxjefferson51  •  10 years ago  •  15 comments

Florida city wages soviet-style crackdown on churches

A government crackdown on churches has Christians in Lake Worth, Fla., wondering if they live in the United States or the former Soviet Union.

Churches in Lake Worth, population 36,000, have been ordered to acquire a business license. As if the church has to get the governments permission to preach and pray?

But wait. It gets worse, folks.

City officials were so concerned about one congregation that they dispatched a code enforcement officer cloaked in a hoodie to spy on a Southern Baptist church that was meeting in a coffee house.

Folks, its like the plot of a Cold War spy novel.

Government employees are public servants and prohibited by the Constitution from inhibiting religious freedom, said Mat Staver , founder of the religious liberty law firm Liberty Counsel. That is a far cry from sneaking around and into a church and acting like KGB agents.

Staver is calling on city leaders to immediately rescind the business license mandate on churches. He is also representing Common Ground Church, the congregation that was targeted by the citys investigator.

The church owns and operates a coffee house in downtown Lake Worth. For the past three months, it has used the coffee house for a weekly worship service. Prior to that the congregation rented space in other buildings in the community.


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XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago

Pastor Olive told me he tried to convey to Amoroso that the churchs message is Love God, Love People.

Our message to the gay community is the same as it is to the straight community, he said.

The commissioner, Olive said, did not seem to appreciate his message.

He pointed at me and said, Listen, you better not have a church down there, Olive told me.

By the strangest of coincidences,a code enforcement officer showed up for a Sunday service on Feb. 8. He was wearing a hoodie and was armed with a concealed video camera, according to the letter Liberty Counsel sent to the city.

The code enforcement officers notes read like something out of a KGB report .

I walked back to the Coffee Bar and was able to visualize, in my opinion what appeared to be a ministry in progress, he wrote in the report.

He documented how he observed people holding what appeared to be Bibles or religious books as one had a cross on it and what appeared to be a ministry in progress.

I was approached by an unknown man with a cross around his neck, he wrote.

Im surprised the code enforcement officer didnt call up the National Guard for reinforcements.

The officer wrote that he was able to capture on my city phone a video which will be attached to this case file for future court presentation.

Its pretty shocking stuff for a city that prides itself on being a tolerant, multicultural city. But as we all know tolerance and diversity do not extend to Christians.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago

Staver said the citys actions violate the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the Florida Constitution, the Florida Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the federal Religious Land Uses and Institutionalized Persons Act.

Churches are not businesses and need not obtain such licenses, Staver wrote in a letter to the city.

Waters said any church that refuses to comply could be shut down by the fire department.

Theres a variety of things that could happen if you dont comply with the use and occupancy requirement, he said.

As for Pastor Olive his church will no longer meet in its church-owned coffee house. Instead, it is taking its congregation underground until the issue is resolved.

We just want to urge the city dont allow God and our faith to be zoned out of downtown, the pastor said.

It appears to me that this is a standoff that could use a healthy dose of all that multicultural tolerance and diversity that Lake Worth takes pride in.

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

The Christian Examiner has a good article relating to this story. Evidently all has been worked out and resolved once a Use & Occupancy license was issued. Don't know if it was confusion or overreach but looks like the good people of Lake Worth and their leaders are resolving.

Good to see a happy ending. Church and coffeehouse, great combo for me!

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

LOL!I've found a shot of espresso helps keep me propped up...nothing more embarrassing than drooling or slumping over on a fellow congregant.Grin.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago

Churches are non profitorganizations with the protection of religious liberty and separation of church and state. Government should not have the kind of power over religion as theydid in that city.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
The separation of church and state is to assure that neither has power over the other. Whether the state is local, state, or federal, they should have no power to tax a church or control how when or where the church can believe, meet, or say.
 
 
 
LynneA
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link   LynneA    10 years ago

You're correct regarding separation.Under current law, there is no authority to tax a church which is why this case is no longer a case Grin.gif

Havingchairedour churchesproperty committee in Illinois, it was required to have a Occupancy License along withyearly inspections by the fire department. If sited for any fire code violations we had x number of days to bring up to compliance or the town could shut-down the facility.

We need governmental regulations to insure the safety of people. Particularily since a lot of maintenance and work done in small congregations are done by volunteers. I shutter to think of a baptismal installation and subsequent operation without oversight, that oversight comes from local government.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Silent
link   Cerenkov    10 years ago
Soviet indeed. Sad that useful idiots here will support the oppressive actions. Very sad.
 
 
 
retired military ex Republican
Freshman Silent
link   retired military ex Republican    10 years ago

I don't know that I like it. But I do believe that churches should pay taxes as they are now contributing to Politics and candidates and strongly suggesting who they should vote for. They are doing the same thing Corporations are doing. Strongest to my knowledge is the Catholic Church pushing for their members to vote for the choice selected by the church, the local bishop, or higher.

Most likely its in other churches as well. But have no personal knowledge of other churches.

 
 
 
retired military ex Republican
Freshman Silent
link   retired military ex Republican    10 years ago

Well the slumping over could be all right in some cases. Drooling would be suspect as a towel would be required. Kind of like a weeping towel only maybe bigger. Shots of espresso or other liquid yep. Maybe alternate the two.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
Very few churches get directly involved in general political matters.
 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick    10 years ago

CH4P..... To bad they weren't shouting "Burn This Place Down" and burning all the hardworking citizen's businesses down. Then you could get some support from JW.

 
 
 
sixpick
Professor Quiet
link   sixpick    10 years ago

To be honest Lynne, I didn't see anything about how many people were there or if this could even be considered a church. I would think the first thing anyone who wants to start a church should do is make sure they have all the requirements if there are any taken care of in order to prevent anything like this from happening. I really don't think it should have taken such force, but this is the way things seem to be handled today with brute force far beyond what is necessary in every aspect.

 
 
 
LynneA
Freshman Silent
link   LynneA    10 years ago

Totally agree, the force displayed is absurd. Still trying to figure out how such a simple issue became such a big deal.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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link   seeder  XXJefferson51    10 years ago
I wouldn't know. I have yet to hear a political sermon in church. I know it sometimes happens on both sides but I have yet to go to church and hear a political sermon. Unless less an issue comes up that directly affects the teachings of a denomination or their ability to practice their beliefs/live according to those doctrines, beliefs, etc. there really is no place for campaigning for an individual or a party from the pulpit in church.
 
 

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