Bill Maher Segment Mocks "Both Sides Are At Fault" talk------..."THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM"
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Well, they do but, not one of them did with the expertise that Trump has, in two years he has lied 8000 times that I know of, that's the times he was on Twitter or, in front of a camera.
I wouldn’t characterize anything Trump does as ‘expertise’. Quantity is not the equal to quality. A good liar fools the majority. Trump fools the foolish minority.
I wouldn’t characterize anything Trump does as ‘expertise’.
I only used that word to describe that Trump lies with the ease of a P.T. Barnum type huckster, it does in some ways remind me of W.C. Fields characters, the truly sad part about it is, is that he has people within his orbit that repeat the lies over and, over to try to give them some kind of credit and, his minions in the rest of the country fall for it hook, line and, sinker.
Wally, do you realize the standards the Conservative 'right' and the GOP hold ALL OTHERS TOO, asz
for an 8000 times, that we know of, LIAR in Chief, a so what...?
SO WTF,
would be with the embarrassing hypocrisy ?
How the Hell can one comfortably say So What, after the lock her up cause she wears pant suits, that make most of the Repubs pant, heavily, as this has become so absurd,
it's not really feasible any more, for me to take any Trumpp defender seriously, (as F I ever did to begin with, but I tried to give em the benefit of a doubting Thomas's English Muffin Top
ped off with crab meat and a Hollandaise sauce increased by its reduction)
but,
that's just silly ole me.
The one stupid enough to see what a LIAR has done to US, and
sadly see, people would rather defend a POS, than just admit, hey, maybe I was wrong about the guy. I wanted someone different than the two party stATUS quo, I didn't realize how he was such a lying treasonous unstable stable boy, who obviously has mental issues , requiring warehouses of palleted facial tissues, to wipe off the egg, or what ever been Putin all over his face, and to of course, deal with his killer Mt. Kilimanjaro mole hill of issues.
"Maher falsely citing a quote from Ryan that was actually from Michelle Obama. It was a delicious moment, though its impact was lessened by Maher having resorted to deceit. Maher put it this way -- "Here's something else Paul Ryan said. He said, when it comes to getting an education, too many of our young people just can't be bothered. They're sitting on couches for hours, playing video games, watching TV. Instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader, they're fantasizing about being a baller or a rapper."
Oh wait, that wasn't him, that was Michelle Obama. "
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally. If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.
This is all well and good , s. , until we have a situation where the president of the United States is totally unfit to hold the office, and his party, the Republicans , is enabling him daily in order to please their own base, and "independents" still insist that the "both sides" mantra be equally applied. The effect is to further enable Trump.
Bill Maher summarizes the situation through humor, and the country needs people to get the message.
Maher is so good at what he does. I was surprised to see Chris Christie on Real Time this week, as part of his recent media blitz. I thought Maher handled him very well, getting the fat jokes out early on.
I was surprised to see Chris Christie on Real Time this week, as part of his recent media blitz.
I actually wasn't surprised, Christie has been down on Trump for some time and, he says that there is a lot of evidence that during the transition there were "mistakes" made by those in charge of it and, he wouldn't be surprised if it turned out people ended up in serious trouble over it.
Yes, but Christie has been the big fat butt of many a Maher monologue in the past. It was a brave move. Clearly Maher wasn’t buying the BS line about Christie not knowing anything about the bridge closure, but he let it die and moved on.
Christie is actually on a book tour. His book tour. It is contractual that he expend 'shoe leather' promoting the book. I have been watching him appearing in 'odd' (but the usual tour spots) venues for himself all week. True to form, he is talking freely about what he believes on various subjects—including President Donald Trump. If he is not careful, he is going to accidentally step negatively into Donald's 'hot' media light: And, we know Trump's knives cut both ways!
And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer - whose only expertise is a sarcastic attitude, political satire and sociopolitical commentary????
And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer
Believe him? Lol - no, I agree with him. We think almost identically. I don’t watch Real Time to be educated, I watch him to be entertained by humor that 95% of the time fits squarely in my perception of American politics.
Well, very few people have trained expertise in commenting on politics and current events, rather , it is something that people acquire. Those who studied political science in college don't often end up on tv or in the media giving commentary.
Since the early 60's and the advent of Dick Gregory and Lenny Bruce there has always been comedy based on political and current events.
Please though, tell us how Maher is more of an entertainer than Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin? I saw an online comment recemtly from someone who saw Levin on Fox News for the first time . "Why is this man yelling?" the comment asks, not realizing the Levin yells many times during any of his programs. That is how he entertains his audience.
Oh yeah John - just like Nancy Darlin' Piglosi was given a "Rock Star" Treatment at the Grammy "Gala" and Barbara Staisland was given a standing ovation for "Walls", a song no one has listened to and no cares about??? So your hollyweed stars/starlets are who you get your information from - got it.
Now, go tell DeNiro how much you luv him because he "hates" Trump almost as much as you do - not quite. And I'm sure Whoppi and Kathy Lee and RoseAnne would love to let you help them move outta the U.S.A. since Trump won the election.
Yup - keep believin' your hollyweed types have got the intelligence and knowledge needed to discuss politics. Ya gonna vote for'm????
Yup - keep believin' your hollyweed types have got the intelligence and knowledge needed to discuss politics. Ya gonna vote for'm????
My, oh, my. What a display of rage that whole comment is. Is the fact that that Scumbag you support without question is daily shown to be a snivelling mafia-boss-wannabe, coward, sociopath and traitor finally getting to you?
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally
I would alter this sentence slightly, to say: "The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you maythen become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties uncritically. "
Degrees matter. Context matters.
Maher takes the time to proper point this out and he does it in an odd fashion. You can see why context matters, because by comparing Trump to some major league good achievers at first glance one could get the idea he is PRAISING Trump! No, he isn't. No, no, no. Maher is playing around with degrees.
For my part, I barely can watch much cable news for long periods. Because the more things change-the more they stay the same. Trump is shameless; the country is handicapped (by republicans) by its rules of law and an inability to effectively make Trump care. Thus, Trump has become the United States time of "in-betweens."
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally.
Why do I think the main problem you see with being an independent is not getting to hate Trump every minute of your life?
The effect is to further enable Trump.
Enable him to do what, exactly? What is this long list of achievements he's used to bring about the demise of the republic?
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally. If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.
Against my better judgement, I'll make the statement you appear to actually believe that.
With that statement in place, what is the thought process which results in that conclusion?
One thing I do know is that I will never have to look back and wonder why I ever went easy on Donald Trump.That window has closed for a bunch of people here.
And you want to know the truth?
That window closed a long time ago. Pretty much everyone posting on boards like these will be dead in another 20 years or so.....
That includes you and me....
The world leaders in the next 20 years are graduating high school/junior college now.... The movers and shakers are about to take the stage....
WE, all of us, both sides on forums like this are old news..... (and pretty much irrelevant)
I think most would say the same of themselves, yet it does not explain the reasoning for such conclusions.
After Trump is gone, I would rather be able to say that I berated him every day than have to admit at that point that I never berated him at all. He's the worst president in this history of this country, by far, and embarrasses the United States of America every single day and most of the time he opens his mouth. If now is not the time to speak out about it, when will be?
After Trump is gone, I would rather be able to say that I berated him every day than have to admit at that point that I never berated him at all. He's the worst president in this history of this country, by far, and embarrasses the United States of America every single day and most of the time he opens his mouth. If now is not the time to speak out about it, when will be?
Do you see how that statement is different than your prior statement?
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally. If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.
Since false equivalencies are on their faces false and thus considering these are such exceptional times those who will not or cannot decide which side of things they are on right now regarding creeping Trumposm must forever go into the same category of enablers and sympathizers as the goddamn Vichy French...
Since false equivalencies are on their faces false and thus considering these are such exceptional times those who will not or cannot decide which side of things they are on right now regarding creeping Trumposm must forever go into the same category of enablers and sympathizers as the goddamn Vichy French...
Who was it that said to repeat the lie and it will become truth?
NT is a "bothsides" site. Equal privileges for all, regardless of... whatever... and particularly, regardless of factual content. Lies and exaggerations "cannot be prevented because both sides do it".
The consequence is that NT becomes an accomplice in swiftboating neo-fascists' targets. The current target is AOC. There are a couple of articles every day, attacking her without actually giving any facts whatsoever.
If one side does 1% while the other does 99%... it is strictly true that "both sides do it". It is also totally misleading.
This problem is common everywhere. The right wing/conservative media machine has been putting out false information daily for 25 or 30 years. I think the concept of constant propaganda wears people down and desensitizes them from being able to tell true from false. The sitting president of the United States has praised "Infowars" an internet "news" program almost entirely dedicated to making things up.
I havent seen Maher make up facts. He has ridiculed those he thinks are wrong or are hurting the country, and if you want to call lampooning someone "extreme" than maybe Maher is "extreme" in his ridicule, but he doesnt make up facts.
The consequence is that NT becomes an accomplice in swiftboating neo-fascists' targets. The current target is AOC. There are a couple of articles every day, attacking her without actually giving any facts whatsoever.
Interesting thought process Bob .. not giving facts like: taking aim at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the equivalent to her being a target of neo-fascist swiftboating on NT ..? … which is interesting, here all this time I was thinking Ocasio-Cortez was the 'butt' of the joke - perhaps the Sarah Palin of the left ..? AOC makes about the same amount of sense as Palin...
It remains to be seen how things unfold .. but the view from my fence sitting high horse is that both side are being impacted by elements of 'party' extremes, which is not a good thing - yet to single out NT in such a manner is disingenuous at best Bob - one side does 1% .. the other side does 99% .. is this a confident statement of your belief, or is the statement facts as you see them?
AOC makes about the same amount of sense as Palin...
That's exactly the kind of swiftboat-empty-attack that I was describing. Your sentence is untrue... and you don't bother to even make any pretense of supporting your attack.
. Your sentence is untrue... and you don't bother to even make any pretense of supporting your attack.
Awww, and where is your pretense of support for your assertion of 1% v 99% attack on NT ..
Somewhere along the way you missed the part in my comment about seeing Ocasio-Cortez as the 'butt' of a joke … selective outrage looks good on you Bob ....
This article reminds me of something often attributed to Albert Einstein, though without research, I am not sure he was the actual source of the quote.
Then of course there is the same "oh, they have to make up their mind" nonsense from some, regardless of how many times they have been told how wrong that is.
What's saying about repeating a lie? Oh, and a hard right wing scum said that too. Hmm? The hard left leaning of some wouldn't be acting like hard right wing fascists would they?
Not possible. Surely they wouldn't be acting the same? Would they?
One of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent" as Majority Leader McConnell did by not providing it to President Obama's pick for the highest court in this country. It was a new dirtiest political maneuver. Still, the engine and the wheel has not paused or stopped to assess the trauma ithas done to our shared body politics!
ne of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent"
The senate’s rejection of garland was both constitutional and publicly advocated for by democrats the last two times they were in that specific situation. Maher’s taking advantage of democrats ignorance of recent history to make a blatantly dishonest argument.
And when in the White House, Obama was more than willing to make illegal recess appointments to avoid the senates right to advise and consent, before getting smacked down by a unanimous Supreme Court.
The "things" are not the same. Moreover, you can continue to argue to the bottom of the barrel if you wish. Somebody should argue for raising up at the top of that same barrel!
We are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean. It seems to me, this direction: The 'every man or woman does what is right in his or her own eyes' doctrine.
This doctrine shall be uncharted political territory. Because some truly bad people shall be 'pushing up' and scoping out our political landscape too. If our politics becomes a ground of full and open expediency, where "anybody" can enter—do not act surprised when hardcore gangsters and life-long criminals see an opportunity to wield power and influence. That is, . . . when we drop all decorum (or pretense of it) and brute POWER becomes 'the thing.'
The only thing that distinguishes what McConnell did from what Biden and Schumer publicly claimed they would do, is that the McConnell was presented with the chance to act.
Given the stated intent of Biden and Schumer to deny the Bushes a chance to have a Supreme Court candidate confirmed, it's simply dishonest to claim that "it would never have entered the minds of Democrats." It clearly entered the minds of Senators Biden and Schumer, to the extent that Biden delivered a long speech justifying it.
e are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean
We are. And its not good. But it's claims like this, that distort truth to perpetuate a partisan Manichean view where Democrats are perfect and Republicans evil, that is the real danger.
You stated yourself our direction "it's not good." So, where does this lead us? We need a turn around. We can't maintain this high level of political suspense and angst. Something materially important is giving (or caving in) already-yet, the systems are self-correcting. Who (what) will come out on top? The literally old political party leaders on either side or the youthful first-timers who have no respect for all that has gone before?
All I am saying is lying, cheating, politically shallow victories, or well-carried out defeats to the system which undermine a democratic foundation will have expected consequences. Both sides can only dig so deep or gain so much mileage out of this, before something important and serious snaps. Wisdom should inform us all. When brute force politics becomes "the thing" know this: There are some 'players' in our society on the fringes itching to show the current teams what true political 'gore' can look and taste like.
We should start heading up towards the top of 'the barrel' while we have the chance. . . .
The senate’s rejection of garland was both constitutional and publicly advocated for by democrats the last two times they were in that specific situation.
That, of course, if completely false. Let's see an actual citation for that claim and don't think we don't see the weasel wording of "publicly advocated" which is a far cry from actually preventing a hearing for a Rep SCOTUS nominee.
The only thing that distinguishes what McConnell did from what Biden and Schumer publicly claimed they would do, is that the McConnell was presented with the chance to act.
Between "would do" (unfounded claim so far) and "did" there's a vast ocean of difference. What a pitiful attempt to justify the unjustifiable but it does indicate that even you know that and can't let yourself admit it.
At the 4:10 mark he talks about Trump's constant lying and the 'argument' people make that all presidents lie.
Well, they do but, not one of them did with the expertise that Trump has, in two years he has lied 8000 times that I know of, that's the times he was on Twitter or, in front of a camera.
I wouldn’t characterize anything Trump does as ‘expertise’. Quantity is not the equal to quality. A good liar fools the majority. Trump fools the foolish minority.
I only used that word to describe that Trump lies with the ease of a P.T. Barnum type huckster, it does in some ways remind me of W.C. Fields characters, the truly sad part about it is, is that he has people within his orbit that repeat the lies over and, over to try to give them some kind of credit and, his minions in the rest of the country fall for it hook, line and, sinker.
What a moronic comment. I’m embarrassed for you.
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So what?
Wally, do you realize the standards the Conservative 'right' and the GOP hold ALL OTHERS TOO, asz
for an 8000 times, that we know of, LIAR in Chief, a so what...?
SO WTF,
would be with the embarrassing hypocrisy ?
How the Hell can one comfortably say So What, after the lock her up cause she wears pant suits, that make most of the Repubs pant, heavily, as this has become so absurd,
it's not really feasible any more, for me to take any Trumpp defender seriously, (as F I ever did to begin with, but I tried to give em the benefit of a doubting Thomas's English Muffin Top
ped off with crab meat and a Hollandaise sauce increased by its reduction)
but,
that's just silly ole me.
The one stupid enough to see what a LIAR has done to US, and
sadly see, people would rather defend a POS, than just admit, hey, maybe I was wrong about the guy. I wanted someone different than the two party stATUS quo, I didn't realize how he was such a lying treasonous unstable stable boy, who obviously has mental issues , requiring warehouses of palleted facial tissues, to wipe off the egg, or what ever been Putin all over his face, and to of course, deal with his killer Mt. Kilimanjaro mole hill of issues.
"So what"
Too FCKN MUCH
Maher is a complete and total hateful dweeb!
Mr. "Alley Chicken" is a "lying Racist" !
"Maher falsely citing a quote from Ryan that was actually from Michelle Obama. It was a delicious moment, though its impact was lessened by Maher having resorted to deceit. Maher put it this way -- "Here's something else Paul Ryan said. He said, when it comes to getting an education, too many of our young people just can't be bothered. They're sitting on couches for hours, playing video games, watching TV. Instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader, they're fantasizing about being a baller or a rapper."
Oh wait, that wasn't him, that was Michelle Obama. "
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally. If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.
This is all well and good , s. , until we have a situation where the president of the United States is totally unfit to hold the office, and his party, the Republicans , is enabling him daily in order to please their own base, and "independents" still insist that the "both sides" mantra be equally applied. The effect is to further enable Trump.
Bill Maher summarizes the situation through humor, and the country needs people to get the message.
Maher is so good at what he does. I was surprised to see Chris Christie on Real Time this week, as part of his recent media blitz. I thought Maher handled him very well, getting the fat jokes out early on.
I actually wasn't surprised, Christie has been down on Trump for some time and, he says that there is a lot of evidence that during the transition there were "mistakes" made by those in charge of it and, he wouldn't be surprised if it turned out people ended up in serious trouble over it.
Yes, but Christie has been the big fat butt of many a Maher monologue in the past. It was a brave move. Clearly Maher wasn’t buying the BS line about Christie not knowing anything about the bridge closure, but he let it die and moved on.
Friday night Bill Maher said that, "Chris Christie has too many skeletons in his past to have a future in politics. Cow Skeletons". Lap Band Failure!
Christie is actually on a book tour. His book tour. It is contractual that he expend 'shoe leather' promoting the book. I have been watching him appearing in 'odd' (but the usual tour spots) venues for himself all week. True to form, he is talking freely about what he believes on various subjects—including President Donald Trump. If he is not careful, he is going to accidentally step negatively into Donald's 'hot' media light: And, we know Trump's knives cut both ways!
Yeah, I don't buy that either.
"Pandering to nonsensical angry liberals?"
Yes. He's amazing at it.
"Pandering to nonsensical angry liberals?"
Yes. He's amazing at it.
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And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer - whose only expertise is a sarcastic attitude, political satire and sociopolitical commentary????
Have at it.
And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer
Believe him? Lol - no, I agree with him. We think almost identically. I don’t watch Real Time to be educated, I watch him to be entertained by humor that 95% of the time fits squarely in my perception of American politics.
Well, very few people have trained expertise in commenting on politics and current events, rather , it is something that people acquire. Those who studied political science in college don't often end up on tv or in the media giving commentary.
Since the early 60's and the advent of Dick Gregory and Lenny Bruce there has always been comedy based on political and current events.
Please though, tell us how Maher is more of an entertainer than Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin? I saw an online comment recemtly from someone who saw Levin on Fox News for the first time . "Why is this man yelling?" the comment asks, not realizing the Levin yells many times during any of his programs. That is how he entertains his audience.
Of course they believe him. He is giving them all the red meat they want, with no facts or accountability to back it up. A typical talking head.
Oh yeah John - just like Nancy Darlin' Piglosi was given a "Rock Star" Treatment at the Grammy "Gala" and Barbara Staisland was given a standing ovation for "Walls", a song no one has listened to and no cares about??? So your hollyweed stars/starlets are who you get your information from - got it.
Now, go tell DeNiro how much you luv him because he "hates" Trump almost as much as you do - not quite. And I'm sure Whoppi and Kathy Lee and RoseAnne would love to let you help them move outta the U.S.A. since Trump won the election.
Yup - keep believin' your hollyweed types have got the intelligence and knowledge needed to discuss politics. Ya gonna vote for'm????
1st warrior, you support the biggest ignoramus ,to ever occupy a high office, in history.
You have no bullets in your gun with which to fire at others.
My, oh, my. What a display of rage that whole comment is. Is the fact that that Scumbag you support without question is daily shown to be a snivelling mafia-boss-wannabe, coward, sociopath and traitor finally getting to you?
What is your purpose in this kind of childish name-play?
Whom are you really demeaning? Pelosi or... yourself?
Don't think the reply was to you.
Musta hit a nerve though.
Doing battle with many on NT - you should know what shooting an empty gun feels like.
No, I "supported" Gary Johnson - don't know who I'll support this next time, but I sure as hell don't see any Dems that are promising.
I'm always curious about behavior.
I've always thought you would like to be perceived as a "sage"... so this sort of childishness is surprising.
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally
I would alter this sentence slightly, to say: "The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you may then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties uncritically. "
Degrees matter. Context matters.
Maher takes the time to proper point this out and he does it in an odd fashion. You can see why context matters, because by comparing Trump to some major league good achievers at first glance one could get the idea he is PRAISING Trump! No, he isn't. No, no, no. Maher is playing around with degrees.
For my part, I barely can watch much cable news for long periods. Because the more things change-the more they stay the same. Trump is shameless; the country is handicapped (by republicans) by its rules of law and an inability to effectively make Trump care. Thus, Trump has become the United States time of "in-betweens."
Why do I think the main problem you see with being an independent is not getting to hate Trump every minute of your life?
Enable him to do what, exactly? What is this long list of achievements he's used to bring about the demise of the republic?
Against my better judgement, I'll make the statement you appear to actually believe that.
With that statement in place, what is the thought process which results in that conclusion?
I have excellent powers of observation.
It's not your powers of observation John, it's those heavy thick prismatic lenses you see the world through that is.....
What you observe is so refracted by them it's hardly recognizable as the real world....
whatever that means lol.
One thing I do know is that I will never have to look back and wonder why I ever went easy on Donald Trump.
That window has closed for a bunch of people here.
And you want to know the truth?
That window closed a long time ago. Pretty much everyone posting on boards like these will be dead in another 20 years or so.....
That includes you and me....
The world leaders in the next 20 years are graduating high school/junior college now.... The movers and shakers are about to take the stage....
WE, all of us, both sides on forums like this are old news..... (and pretty much irrelevant)
And all we can do is rail on and on about it.....
Just the facts
I think most would say the same of themselves, yet it does not explain the reasoning for such conclusions.
Some rant, some pontificate and blowhard
After Trump is gone, I would rather be able to say that I berated him every day than have to admit at that point that I never berated him at all. He's the worst president in this history of this country, by far, and embarrasses the United States of America every single day and most of the time he opens his mouth. If now is not the time to speak out about it, when will be?
Do you see how that statement is different than your prior statement?
And you do them all so well.
Especially when you do them all together, you have developed the technique into an art form.....
Since false equivalencies are on their faces false and thus considering these are such exceptional times those who will not or cannot decide which side of things they are on right now regarding creeping Trumposm must forever go into the same category of enablers and sympathizers as the goddamn Vichy French...
Who was it that said to repeat the lie and it will become truth?
Hmmm? Let me think...
Bothsidesism is not limited to politics.
NT is a "bothsides" site. Equal privileges for all, regardless of... whatever... and particularly, regardless of factual content. Lies and exaggerations "cannot be prevented because both sides do it".
The consequence is that NT becomes an accomplice in swiftboating neo-fascists' targets. The current target is AOC. There are a couple of articles every day, attacking her without actually giving any facts whatsoever.
If one side does 1% while the other does 99%... it is strictly true that "both sides do it". It is also totally misleading.
This problem is common everywhere. The right wing/conservative media machine has been putting out false information daily for 25 or 30 years. I think the concept of constant propaganda wears people down and desensitizes them from being able to tell true from false. The sitting president of the United States has praised "Infowars" an internet "news" program almost entirely dedicated to making things up.
Infowars is no different from Bill Maher both are entertainment shows not to be taken seriously.
I havent seen Maher make up facts. He has ridiculed those he thinks are wrong or are hurting the country, and if you want to call lampooning someone "extreme" than maybe Maher is "extreme" in his ridicule, but he doesnt make up facts.
He is nothing like Alex Jones.
... because BOTH SIDES DO IT ! ! !
Interesting thought process Bob .. not giving facts like: taking aim at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the equivalent to her being a target of neo-fascist swiftboating on NT ..? … which is interesting, here all this time I was thinking Ocasio-Cortez was the 'butt' of the joke - perhaps the Sarah Palin of the left ..? AOC makes about the same amount of sense as Palin...
It remains to be seen how things unfold .. but the view from my fence sitting high horse is that both side are being impacted by elements of 'party' extremes, which is not a good thing - yet to single out NT in such a manner is disingenuous at best Bob - one side does 1% .. the other side does 99% .. is this a confident statement of your belief, or is the statement facts as you see them?
That's exactly the kind of swiftboat-empty-attack that I was describing. Your sentence is untrue... and you don't bother to even make any pretense of supporting your attack.
Thanks for the demonstration...
Awww, and where is your pretense of support for your assertion of 1% v 99% attack on NT ..
Somewhere along the way you missed the part in my comment about seeing Ocasio-Cortez as the 'butt' of a joke … selective outrage looks good on you Bob ....
Thanks for the demonstration...
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Extreme partisan blames other side, excuses his own!
maybe a dog bites man story, next?
Come on, people.
This is a freaking comedian we are talking about, FFS.
Bill Maher??
Phffft.
No we are not! Comedians are entertaining and funny .
Well, you got me there!
LOL!
Well, of course, you wouldn't find the truth funny considering that you're on the other side of it.
Tex, ole Billy Boy is pretty damn on target.
Comedians or not, they spread an awful lot of truth about an awful lott
Look, I know many folks posting here get their "news" from late night talk show hosts and comedians.
I'm not one of them.
Try someone else to sell it to.
i'mmm not in the market to sell, what you may be intellectually deficient enough, to purchase, all I know, is I can't afford it.
You may be right, hang on to all you have because you may use it someday.
This article reminds me of something often attributed to Albert Einstein, though without research, I am not sure he was the actual source of the quote.
Then of course there is the same "oh, they have to make up their mind" nonsense from some, regardless of how many times they have been told how wrong that is.
What's saying about repeating a lie? Oh, and a hard right wing scum said that too. Hmm? The hard left leaning of some wouldn't be acting like hard right wing fascists would they?
Not possible. Surely they wouldn't be acting the same? Would they?
One of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent" as Majority Leader McConnell did by not providing it to President Obama's pick for the highest court in this country. It was a new dirtiest political maneuver. Still, the engine and the wheel has not paused or stopped to assess the trauma it has done to our shared body politics!
Republicans are not small-d democrats. They are against democracy, unless it gives them their way.
Not an accurate and true statement.
Mitch McConnell.
Very good, Bob.
You managed to name a Republican.
You did not mange to relate it to your earlier inaccurate statement, but I'll give you points for at least typing something.
Anyone who doesn't see that McConnell is against democracy, is being intentionally impervious.
Hmmmmmm……………………...prove it.
Nah. Mitch proves it all the time.
And yet the facts fully support it. Go figger.
Prove it.
Tex,
if you haven't seen enuff proof by now,
get your head out of the damn pudding
In Texas, we have a saying for people who claim stuff but can't back it up.
All hat and no cattle.
Seems like we have a couple here doing that same thing right now.
That old biblical verse: "Look to thine own house" is certainly apropos here.
Really?
Did I claim that Republicans, specifically McConnell, were against democracy and then refuse to substantiate that claim?
Why, no, no, I didn't!
Why should I?
It's OK...we understand you have nothing. Would have been easier if you had just said it outright...or said nothing at all.
No, you just have a built-in and always-ready double standard for morality, ethics, honesty and decency...that's all.
So just the usual--deflection and avoiding answering.
Got it.
Gee, thanks for that.
I am sooo surprised!
You shouldn't be, by now, at least. I can't be the only person who's called out your despicable double standard.
I didn't realize that I needed to point out sarcasm to adults. My mistake!
Of course, you could always just try to answer what was asked instead of going off on some wild tangent...…….
Naw, I know THAT won't happen!
ne of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent"
The senate’s rejection of garland was both constitutional and publicly advocated for by democrats the last two times they were in that specific situation. Maher’s taking advantage of democrats ignorance of recent history to make a blatantly dishonest argument.
And when in the White House, Obama was more than willing to make illegal recess appointments to avoid the senates right to advise and consent, before getting smacked down by a unanimous Supreme Court.
The "things" are not the same. Moreover, you can continue to argue to the bottom of the barrel if you wish. Somebody should argue for raising up at the top of that same barrel!
We are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean. It seems to me, this direction: The 'every man or woman does what is right in his or her own eyes' doctrine.
This doctrine shall be uncharted political territory. Because some truly bad people shall be 'pushing up' and scoping out our political landscape too. If our politics becomes a ground of full and open expediency, where "anybody" can enter—do not act surprised when hardcore gangsters and life-long criminals see an opportunity to wield power and influence. That is, . . . when we drop all decorum (or pretense of it) and brute POWER becomes 'the thing.'
The only thing that distinguishes what McConnell did from what Biden and Schumer publicly claimed they would do, is that the McConnell was presented with the chance to act.
Given the stated intent of Biden and Schumer to deny the Bushes a chance to have a Supreme Court candidate confirmed, it's simply dishonest to claim that "it would never have entered the minds of Democrats." It clearly entered the minds of Senators Biden and Schumer, to the extent that Biden delivered a long speech justifying it.
e are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean
We are. And its not good. But it's claims like this, that distort truth to perpetuate a partisan Manichean view where Democrats are perfect and Republicans evil, that is the real danger.
You stated yourself our direction "it's not good." So, where does this lead us? We need a turn around. We can't maintain this high level of political suspense and angst. Something materially important is giving (or caving in) already-yet, the systems are self-correcting. Who (what) will come out on top? The literally old political party leaders on either side or the youthful first-timers who have no respect for all that has gone before?
All I am saying is lying, cheating, politically shallow victories, or well-carried out defeats to the system which undermine a democratic foundation will have expected consequences. Both sides can only dig so deep or gain so much mileage out of this, before something important and serious snaps. Wisdom should inform us all. When brute force politics becomes "the thing" know this: There are some 'players' in our society on the fringes itching to show the current teams what true political 'gore' can look and taste like.
We should start heading up towards the top of 'the barrel' while we have the chance. . . .
That, of course, if completely false. Let's see an actual citation for that claim and don't think we don't see the weasel wording of "publicly advocated" which is a far cry from actually preventing a hearing for a Rep SCOTUS nominee.
Between "would do" (unfounded claim so far) and "did" there's a vast ocean of difference. What a pitiful attempt to justify the unjustifiable but it does indicate that even you know that and can't let yourself admit it.
Do you want to read this thread again and start over?
You don't seem to understand what's going on.