Bill Maher Segment Mocks "Both Sides Are At Fault" talk------..."THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM"

  
By:  johnrussell  •  5 months ago  •  106 comments

Bill Maher Segment Mocks "Both Sides Are At Fault" talk------..."THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE PROBLEM"

If you want to skip over the unrelated part of the video, skip to the 1:50 mark and begin there.

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    5 months ago

At the 4:10 mark he talks about Trump's constant lying and the 'argument' people make that all presidents lie.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

Well, they do but, not one of them did with the expertise that Trump has, in two years he has lied 8000 times that I know of, that's the times he was on Twitter or, in front of a camera.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
1.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1    5 months ago

I wouldn’t characterize anything Trump does as ‘expertise’.  Quantity is not the equal to quality.  A good liar fools the majority.  Trump fools the foolish minority.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
1.1.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.1    5 months ago
I wouldn’t characterize anything Trump does as ‘expertise’.

I only used that word to describe that Trump lies with the ease of a P.T. Barnum type huckster, it does in some ways remind me of W.C. Fields characters, the truly sad part about it is, is that he has people within his orbit that repeat the lies over and, over to try to give them some kind of credit and, his minions in the rest of the country fall for it hook, line and, sinker. 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.3  WallyW  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @1.1    5 months ago
in two years he has lied 8000 times

So what? 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
1.1.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    5 months ago

What a moronic comment.  I’m embarrassed for you.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @1.1.3    5 months ago
in two years he has lied 8000 times
So what? 

?

So what?

Wally, do you realize the standards the Conservative 'right' and the GOP hold ALL OTHERS TOO, asz

for an 8000 times, that we know of, LIAR in Chief, a so what...?

SO WTF,

would be with the embarrassing hypocrisy ?

How the Hell can one comfortably say So What, after the lock her up cause she wears pant suits, that make most of the Repubs pant, heavily, as this has become so absurd,

it's not really feasible any more, for me to take any Trumpp defender seriously, (as F I ever did to begin with, but I tried to give em the benefit of a doubting Thomas's English Muffin Top

ped off with crab meat and a Hollandaise sauce increased by its reduction)

but,

that's just silly ole me.

The one stupid enough to see what a LIAR has done to US, and

sadly see, people would rather defend a POS, than just admit, hey, maybe I was wrong about the guy. I wanted someone different than the two party stATUS quo, I didn't realize how he was such a lying treasonous unstable stable boy, who obviously has mental issues , requiring warehouses of palleted facial tissues, to wipe off the egg, or what ever been Putin all over his face, and to of course, deal with his killer Mt. Kilimanjaro mole hill of issues.

"So what"

Too FCKN MUCH 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

Maher is a complete and total hateful dweeb!

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    5 months ago

Mr. "Alley Chicken" is a "lying Racist" !

"Maher falsely citing a quote from Ryan that was actually from Michelle Obama. It was a delicious moment, though its impact was lessened by Maher having resorted to deceit. Maher put it this way -- "Here's something else Paul Ryan said. He said, when it comes to getting an education, too many of our young people just can't be bothered. They're sitting on couches for hours, playing video games, watching TV. Instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader, they're fantasizing about being a baller or a rapper."

Oh wait, that wasn't him, that was Michelle Obama."

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jack-coleman/2014/03/30/bill-maher-quotes-infamous-racist-michelle-obama

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  author  JohnRussell    5 months ago

The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally.  If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.

This is all well and good , s. , until we have a situation where the president of the United States is totally unfit to hold the office, and his party, the Republicans , is enabling him daily in order to please their own base, and "independents" still insist that the "both sides" mantra be equally applied. The effect is to further enable Trump.

Bill Maher summarizes the situation through humor, and the country needs people to get the message.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

Maher is so good at what he does.  I was surprised to see Chris Christie on Real Time this week, as part of his recent media blitz.  I thought Maher handled him very well, getting the fat jokes out early on.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1    5 months ago
 I was surprised to see Chris Christie on Real Time this week, as part of his recent media blitz.

I actually wasn't surprised, Christie has been down on Trump for some time and, he says that there is a lot of evidence that during the transition there were "mistakes" made by those in charge of it and, he wouldn't be surprised if it turned out people ended up in serious trouble over it.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
2.1.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @2.1.1    5 months ago

Yes, but Christie has been the big fat butt of many a Maher monologue in the past.  It was a brave move.  Clearly Maher wasn’t buying the BS line about Christie not knowing anything about the bridge closure, but he let it die and moved on.

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.3  JBB  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.2    5 months ago

Friday night Bill Maher said that, "Chris Christie has too many skeletons in his past to have a future in politics. Cow Skeletons". Lap Band Failure!

 
 
 
CB
2.1.4  CB   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1    5 months ago

Christie is actually on a book tour. His book tour. It is contractual that he expend 'shoe leather' promoting the book. I have been watching him appearing in 'odd' (but the usual tour spots) venues for himself all week. True to form, he is talking freely about what he believes on various subjects—including President Donald Trump. If he is not careful, he is going to accidentally step negatively into Donald's 'hot' media light: And, we know Trump's knives cut both ways!

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
2.1.5  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1.2    5 months ago
Clearly Maher wasn’t buying the BS line about Christie not knowing anything about the bridge closure, but he let it die and moved on.

Yeah, I don't buy that either.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.1.6  Jack_TX  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1    5 months ago
Maher is so good at what he does.

"Pandering to nonsensical angry liberals?"  

Yes.  He's amazing at it.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
2.1.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.6    5 months ago

"Pandering to nonsensical angry liberals?"  

Yes.  He's amazing at it.

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1stwarrior
2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer - whose only expertise is a sarcastic attitude, political satire and sociopolitical commentary????

Have at it.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
2.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2    5 months ago

And you believe Bill Maher - an actor - an entertainer

Believe him?  Lol - no, I agree with him. We think almost identically.  I don’t watch Real Time to be educated, I watch him to be entertained by humor that 95% of the time fits squarely in my perception of American politics.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2    5 months ago

Well, very few people have trained expertise in commenting on politics and current events, rather , it is something that people acquire. Those who studied political science in college don't often end up on tv or in the media giving commentary.

Since the early 60's and the advent of Dick Gregory and Lenny Bruce there has always been comedy based on political and current events.

Please though, tell us how Maher is more of an entertainer than Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin?  I saw an online comment recemtly from someone who saw Levin on Fox News for the first time . "Why is this man yelling?" the comment asks, not realizing the Levin yells many times during any of his programs. That is how he entertains his audience.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2    5 months ago

Of course they believe him. He is giving them all the red meat they want, with no facts or accountability to back it up. A typical talking head.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.4  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    5 months ago

Oh yeah John - just like Nancy Darlin' Piglosi was given a "Rock Star" Treatment at the Grammy "Gala" and Barbara Staisland was given a standing ovation for "Walls", a song no one has listened to and no cares about???  So your hollyweed stars/starlets are who you get your information from - got it.

Now, go tell DeNiro how much you luv him because he "hates" Trump almost as much as you do - not quite.  And I'm sure Whoppi and Kathy Lee and RoseAnne would love to let you help them move outta the U.S.A. since Trump won the election.

Yup - keep believin' your hollyweed types have got the intelligence and knowledge needed to discuss politics.  Ya gonna vote for'm????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.4    5 months ago

1st warrior, you support the biggest ignoramus ,to ever occupy a high office, in history.

You have no bullets in your gun with which to fire at others.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.4    5 months ago
Yup - keep believin' your hollyweed types have got the intelligence and knowledge needed to discuss politics.  Ya gonna vote for'm????

My, oh, my.  What a display of rage that whole comment is.  Is the fact that that Scumbag you support without question is daily shown to be a snivelling mafia-boss-wannabe, coward, sociopath and traitor finally getting to you?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.4    5 months ago
Nancy Darlin' Piglosi

What is your purpose in this kind of childish name-play?

Whom are you really demeaning? Pelosi or... yourself?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.8  1stwarrior  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.7    5 months ago

Don't think the reply was to you.

Musta hit a nerve though.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.9  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    5 months ago

Doing battle with many on NT - you should know what shooting an empty gun feels like.

No, I "supported" Gary Johnson - don't know who I'll support this next time, but I sure as hell don't see any Dems that are promising.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.8    5 months ago

I'm always curious about behavior.

I've always thought you would like to be perceived as a "sage"... so this sort of childishness is surprising.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
Bill Maher summarizes the situation through humor, and the country needs people to get the message.

What message is that? Trump is your president for at least two more years, and most likely six.

 
 
 
CB
2.3.1  CB   replied to  WallyW @2.3    5 months ago

How much "executive time" with two more years encompass? How many pigtail pulls and thumb smashes across Twitter and against average Americans can Trump press into two years? President Donald J. Trump is a tired old 'fart' *bleeping* around in other folks business. And wouldn't you know it? This is a so-called, "leader" some conservatives can adore.  Just peachy.

 
 
 
CB
2.4  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago

The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally

I would alter this sentence slightly, to say: "The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you may then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties uncritically. "

Degrees matter. Context matters.

Maher takes the time to proper point this out and he does it in an odd fashion. You can see why context matters, because by comparing Trump to some major league good achievers at first glance one could get the idea he is PRAISING Trump! No, he isn't. No, no, no.  Maher is playing around with degrees.

For my part, I barely can watch much cable news for long periods. Because the more things change-the more they stay the same. Trump is shameless; the country is handicapped (by republicans) by its rules of law and an inability to effectively make Trump care. Thus, Trump has become the United States time of "in-betweens."

 
 
 
Jack_TX
2.5  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally.

Why do I think the main problem you see with being an independent is not getting to hate Trump every minute of your life?

The effect is to further enable Trump.

Enable him to do what, exactly?  What is this long list of achievements he's used to bring about the demise of the republic?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.6  dave-2693993  replied to  JohnRussell @2    5 months ago
The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally.  If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.

Against my better judgement, I'll make the statement you appear to actually believe that.

With that statement in place, what is the thought process which results in that conclusion?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.6.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.6    5 months ago
With that statement in place, what is the thought process which results in that conclusion?

I have excellent powers of observation.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
2.6.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @2.6.1    5 months ago
I have excellent powers of observation.

It's not your powers of observation John, it's those heavy thick prismatic lenses you see the world through that is.....

What you observe is so refracted by them it's hardly recognizable as the real world....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.6.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @2.6.2    5 months ago

whatever that means lol.

One thing I do know is that I will never have to look back and wonder why I ever went easy on Donald Trump.

That window has closed for a bunch of people here.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
2.6.4  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @2.6.3    5 months ago
One thing I do know is that I will never have to look back and wonder why I ever went easy on Donald Trump. That window has closed for a bunch of people here.

And you want to know the truth?

That window closed a long time ago. Pretty much everyone posting on boards like these will be dead in another 20 years or so.....

That includes you and me....

The world leaders in the next 20 years are graduating high school/junior college now.... The movers and shakers are about to take the stage....

WE, all of us, both sides on forums like this are old news..... (and pretty much irrelevant)

And all we can do is rail on and on about it.....

Just the facts

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.6.5  dave-2693993  replied to  JohnRussell @2.6.1    5 months ago

I think most would say the same of themselves, yet it does not explain the reasoning for such conclusions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.6.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @2.6.4    5 months ago
And all we can do is rail on and on about it.....

Some rant, some pontificate and blowhard

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.6.7  author  JohnRussell  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.6.5    5 months ago
I think most would say the same of themselves, yet it does not explain the reasoning for such conclusions.

After Trump is gone, I would rather be able to say that I berated him every day than have to admit at that point that I never berated him at all. He's the worst president in this history of this country, by far, and embarrasses the United States of America every single day and most of the time he opens his mouth.  If now is not the time to speak out about it, when will be?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.6.8  dave-2693993  replied to  JohnRussell @2.6.7    5 months ago
After Trump is gone, I would rather be able to say that I berated him every day than have to admit at that point that I never berated him at all. He's the worst president in this history of this country, by far, and embarrasses the United States of America every single day and most of the time he opens his mouth.  If now is not the time to speak out about it, when will be?

Do you see how that statement is different than your prior statement?

The main problem I see with being an independent or a moderate is that you then become committed to criticizing both sides of the political spectrum and both major political parties equally.  If you criticize Trump or the Republicans only or more than you criticize liberals you may get the feeling that people will no longer see you as moderate or independent.
 
 
 
Nowhere Man
2.6.9  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @2.6.6    5 months ago
Some rant, some pontificate and blowhard

And you do them all so well.

Especially when you do them all together, you have developed the technique into an art form.....

 
 
 
JBB
3  JBB    5 months ago

Since false equivalencies are on their faces false and thus considering these are such exceptional times those who will not or cannot decide which side of things they are on right now regarding creeping Trumposm must forever go into the same category of enablers and sympathizers as the goddamn Vichy French...

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1  dave-2693993  replied to  JBB @3    5 months ago
Since false equivalencies are on their faces false and thus considering these are such exceptional times those who will not or cannot decide which side of things they are on right now regarding creeping Trumposm must forever go into the same category of enablers and sympathizers as the goddamn Vichy French...

Who was it that said to repeat the lie and it will become truth?

Hmmm? Let me think...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4  Bob Nelson    5 months ago

Bothsidesism is not limited to politics.

NT is a "bothsides" site. Equal privileges for all, regardless of... whatever... and particularly, regardless of factual content. Lies and exaggerations "cannot be prevented because both sides do it".

The consequence is that NT becomes an accomplice in swiftboating neo-fascists' targets. The current target is AOC. There are a couple of articles every day, attacking her without actually giving any facts whatsoever.

If one side does 1% while the other does 99%... it is strictly true that "both sides do it". It is also totally misleading.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    5 months ago

This problem is common everywhere. The right wing/conservative media machine has been putting out false information daily for 25 or 30 years. I think the concept of constant propaganda wears people down and desensitizes them from being able to tell true from false. The sitting president of the United States has praised "Infowars" an internet "news" program almost entirely dedicated to making things up.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
4.1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    5 months ago

Infowars is no different from Bill Maher both are entertainment shows not to be taken seriously. 

384

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1.1    5 months ago

I havent seen Maher make up facts. He has ridiculed those he thinks are wrong or are hurting the country, and if you want to call lampooning someone "extreme" than maybe Maher is "extreme" in his ridicule, but he doesnt make up facts.

He is nothing like Alex Jones.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dean Moriarty @4.1.1    5 months ago
Infowars is no different from Bill Maher

... because BOTH SIDES DO IT ! ! !

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2  WallyW  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    5 months ago

Trying to spread the fiction that the left wingers are not a major part our problems is simply denying the truth.

Left wing radicals remain fixated on the old tired meme that  "he sure lies a lot", and run out of ideas after that.

Most of the rational and intelligent people in the US either don't pay much attention to all the hysterical liberal hoop-la or simply don't care.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
4.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  WallyW @4.2    5 months ago

the old tired meme that  "he sure lies a lot"

You want to know why that is?  It’s because Trump lies a lot.  Like more than any politician in the history of this country.  It’s more than worthy of note, it’s critical to understanding what kind of catastrophe is occurring in our country.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  WallyW @4.2    5 months ago

If one side does 1% while the other does 99%... it is strictly true that "both sides do it". It is also totally misleading.

Most of the rational and intelligent people in the US either don't pay much attention to all the hysterical liberal hoop-la or simply don't care.

This is an interesting sentence, Wally: "Most of the rational and intelligent people in the US..." When you say "most of, you must mean "more than 50%"... and you must have a source for that number. I don't imagine that you might simply make it up...

... Actually... I'd bet quite a lot that you did make it up. It itself, that's not interesting. All of NT's right-wingers makes stuff up, all the time. They don't even notice. I'm sure that you didn't notice that you were making a statement of fact, "More than 50%..." You simply said it.

This is what happens when "untruth" is of no importance. People eventually forget what "truth" is.

As you have done here.

(Please note, Wally... that I would not bother to post such a lengthy text for most members. I believe that you, personally, would like to be a serious player on NT. You must decide what that means. You may say any sort of nonsense and be respected by our conservative members. If that's what you want, go ahead.

Or... you may try to say stuff that has substance... with a foundation of fact... and become credible to all...)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.2.1    5 months ago

To a certain extent "arguing " with these people is like talking to a brick wall.

In 2016 I was fairly certain that at some point the media would begin to point out to the voting public and the nation that Donald Trump had been responsible for the racist "birther" outbreak in 2011 and then that would be the end of the Trump presidential hopes. It is absurd to think that someone who had attempted to propagate a (already debunked) racially motivated lie about an elected president's birthplace would ever reach the stage where he would be a viable candidate for office. But I had to suffer the rude awakening that at this stage that many  Trump voters don't care about truth , or even decency.  As Maher notes in the video, 51% of republicans are STILL birthers!  We have to face the fact that we have a lot of factually fucked up people walking around.

Even when Trump is gone, and he is on his last legs politically , at least within two years, we are still going to be stuck with the gullible and intellectually incurious on the right.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.2.2    5 months ago
If one side does 1% while the other does 99%... it is strictly true that "both sides do it". It is also totally misleading.

Exactly.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.3    5 months ago

that Donald Trump had NOT been responsible for the racist "birther" outbreak

There ya go John - fixed it for ya.

Why do you always - ALWAYS - give Billary and her campaign folks a complete by-line over actually instigating the "birther" thingy???????  And it was by a staffer who got fired (so they say)????

In a statement to McClatchy on Monday, Asher said:

“Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy, where he and I met in my office. During that conversation and in subsequent communications, we discussed a number of matters related to Obama. He encouraged McClatchy to do stories related to Obama and his connections to Kenya.”

Asher said that as far as the “birther” issue, he has “nothing in writing,” but that he recalls the conversation. He has tweeted about his contact with Blumenthal twice since April. He also cited an email Monday from Bengali, who wrote: “What I remember is that you told me to look into everything about Obama’s family in Kenya. I can’t recall if we specifically discussed the birther claim, but I’m sure that was part of what I researched.”

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article102828747.html

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2.6  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.5    5 months ago
I can’t recall if we specifically discussed the birther claim, but I’m sure that was part of what I researched.”

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JohnRussell
4.2.7  author  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.5    5 months ago

You keep saying the same thing about this subject like a broken record. Why are you so determined to embarrass yourself like this?

Whatever anyone in the Clinton camp may have said about Obama , it was in 2007 -2008I don't think the story you refer to means what you think it does, but since all that is irrelevant to Trump we can argue about that another time. 

Trump began his birther crusade in 2011. Whatever Clinon's camp had said or implied in 2008 was long gone. Between the time you say Clinton's campaign started the birther rumors and 2011 when Trump began running his mouth, the State Of Hawaii had OFFICIALLY announced that Obama's birth certificate was in the state archives and had been inspected there by state officials. They said it not only once, but twice, the second time about a year after the first because the tea party birthers were still going at it in 2009. 

By the time Trump got involved Obama had already released his short form birth certificate.

There was no reason for Trump to start lying about Obama, the state had settled the matter. Only right wing nut cases were still wondering about the birth certificate. But those were the people Trump was interested in building a presidential run around.  So he started birther bs in early 2011. An idiot could have asked the state of Hawaii for help, but he preferred appealing to right wing conspiracy nuts like Joe Arpaio.

Trump is a disgrace, and his birtherism BY ITSELF should have prevented him from EVER being considered a presidential candidate.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2.9  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.7    5 months ago

Yeah, I know - and in 2013 Trump made the statement that Obama was born in America.

Ya just can't quit with your half information, can you?

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.9    5 months ago

Apparently the President just cannot stick with one story.

Yes, he has been backed into a corner a time or two and announced that he no longer questions the birth certificate;

only to question it again, and again, in 2015, 2017 etc.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/29/16713664/trump-obama-birth-certificate

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/trump-president-birth-certificate/index.html

and this one by Sam Nunberg...

https://observer.com/2018/08/former-trump-advisor-peddling-birtherism-about-obama/

and of course while appearing to admit birtherism  was incorrect in 2013, Mr. Trump has never apologized.

https://deadline.com/2017/09/donald-trump-birtherism-espn-jemele-hill-white-supremacist-sarah-huckabe-sanders-1202170669/

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
4.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    5 months ago
The consequence is that NT becomes an accomplice in swiftboating neo-fascists' targets. The current target is AOC. There are a couple of articles every day, attacking her without actually giving any facts whatsoever. 

Interesting thought process Bob .. not giving facts like: taking aim at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the equivalent to her being a target of neo-fascist swiftboating on NT ..? … which is interesting, here all this time I was thinking Ocasio-Cortez was the 'butt' of the joke - perhaps the Sarah Palin of the left ..? AOC makes about the same amount of sense as Palin...

It remains to be seen how things unfold .. but the view from my fence sitting high horse is that both side are being impacted by elements of 'party' extremes, which is not a good thing - yet to single out NT in such a manner is disingenuous at best Bob - one side does 1% .. the other side does 99% .. is this a confident statement of your belief, or is the statement facts as you see them?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.3.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.3    5 months ago
AOC makes about the same amount of sense as Palin...

That's exactly the kind of swiftboat-empty-attack that I was describing. Your sentence is untrue... and you don't bother to even make any pretense of supporting your attack.

Thanks for the demonstration... jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
4.3.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.3.1    5 months ago
. Your sentence is untrue... and you don't bother to even make any pretense of supporting your attack.

Awww, and where is your pretense of support for your assertion of 1% v 99% attack on NT ..

Somewhere along the way you missed the part in my comment about seeing Ocasio-Cortez as the 'butt' of a joke … selective outrage looks good on you Bob ....

Thanks for the demonstration... jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.3.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.3.3    5 months ago

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Sean Treacy
5  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

Extreme partisan blames other side, excuses his own!

maybe a dog bites man story, next?

 
 
 
Texan1211
6  Texan1211    5 months ago

Come on, people. 

This is a freaking comedian we are talking about, FFS.

Bill Maher??

Phffft.

 
 
 
arkpdx
6.1  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @6    5 months ago
This is a freaking comedian we are talking about

No we are not! Comedians are entertaining and funny .

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @6.1    5 months ago

Well, you got me there!

LOL!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
6.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  arkpdx @6.1    5 months ago

Well, of course, you wouldn't find the truth funny considering that you're on the other side of it. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @6    5 months ago

Tex, ole Billy Boy is pretty damn on target.

Comedians or not, they spread an awful lot of truth about an awful lott

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.2    5 months ago

Look, I know many folks posting here get their "news" from late night talk show hosts and comedians.

I'm not one of them.

Try someone else to sell it to.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    5 months ago
someone else to sell it to

i'mmm not in the market to sell, what you may be intellectually deficient enough, to purchase, all I know, is I can't afford it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.2.2    5 months ago

You may be right, hang on to all you have because you may use it someday.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
7  dave-2693993    5 months ago

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This article reminds me of something often attributed to Albert Einstein, though without research, I am not sure he was the actual source of the quote.

Then of course there is the same "oh, they have to make up their mind" nonsense from some, regardless of how many times they have been told how wrong that is.

What's saying about repeating a lie? Oh, and a hard right wing scum said that too. Hmm? The hard left leaning of some wouldn't be acting like hard right wing fascists would they?

Not possible. Surely they wouldn't be acting the same? Would they?

 
 
 
CB
8  CB     5 months ago

One of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent" as Majority Leader McConnell did by not providing it to President Obama's pick for the highest court in this country. It was a new dirtiest political maneuver. Still, the engine and the wheel has not paused or stopped to assess the trauma it has done to our shared body politics!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @8    5 months ago

Republicans are not small-d democrats. They are against democracy, unless it gives them their way.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1    5 months ago

Not an accurate and true statement.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.1    5 months ago

Mitch McConnell.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.2    5 months ago

Very good, Bob.

You managed to name a Republican.

You did not mange to relate it to your earlier inaccurate statement, but I'll give you points for at least typing something.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.3    5 months ago

Anyone who doesn't see that McConnell is against democracy, is being intentionally impervious.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.4    5 months ago

Hmmmmmm……………………...prove it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.5    5 months ago
……………...prove it

Nah. Mitch proves it all the time.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.1    5 months ago
Not an accurate and true statement.

And yet the facts fully support it.  Go figger. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.7    5 months ago

Prove it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.8    5 months ago
Prove it.

Tex,

if you haven't seen enuff proof by now,

get your head out of the damn pudding

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @8.1.9    5 months ago

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Texan1211
8.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @8.1.9    5 months ago

In Texas, we have a saying for people who claim stuff but can't back it up.

All hat and no cattle.

Seems like we have a couple here doing that same thing right now.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.11    5 months ago
Seems like we have a couple here doing that same thing right now.

That old biblical verse:  "Look to thine own house" is certainly apropos here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.12    5 months ago

Really?

Did I claim that Republicans, specifically McConnell, were against democracy and then refuse to substantiate that claim?

Why, no, no, I didn't!

 
 
 
WallyW
8.1.14  WallyW  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.4    5 months ago

Tell us why you think so. Back up your comment for once.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  WallyW @8.1.14    5 months ago

Why should I?

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @8.1.6    5 months ago
Nah. Mitch proves it all the time.

It's OK...we understand you have nothing. Would have been easier if you had just said it outright...or said nothing at all.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @8.1.16    5 months ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.18  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.13    5 months ago
Did I claim that Republicans, specifically McConnell, were against democracy and then refuse to substantiate that claim?

No, you just have a built-in and always-ready double standard for morality, ethics, honesty and decency...that's all. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.18    5 months ago

So just the usual--deflection and avoiding answering.

Got it.

Gee, thanks for that.

I am sooo surprised!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.1.20  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.19    5 months ago
I am sooo surprised!

You shouldn't be, by now, at least.  I can't be the only person who's called out your despicable double standard.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.1.20    5 months ago
You shouldn't be, by now, at least.  I can't be the only person who's called out your despicable double standard.  

I didn't realize that I needed to point out sarcasm to adults. My mistake!

Of course, you could always just try to answer what was asked instead of going off on some wild tangent...…….

Naw, I know THAT won't happen!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @8    5 months ago

ne of the "shame the devil" moments where an "Amen" can be heard is when Maher (@6:09) points out it would never have entered the minds of democrats to ignore the constitutional rule of proper "advice and consent"

The senate’s rejection of garland was both constitutional and publicly advocated for by democrats the last two times they were in that specific  situation. Maher’s  taking advantage of democrats ignorance  of recent history  to make a blatantly dishonest argument.

And when in the White House, Obama was more than willing to make illegal recess appointments to avoid the senates right to advise and consent, before getting smacked down by a unanimous Supreme Court. 

 
 
 
CB
8.2.1  CB   replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    5 months ago

The "things" are not the same. Moreover, you can continue to argue to the bottom of the barrel if you wish. Somebody should argue for raising up at the top of that same barrel!

We are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean. It seems to me, this direction: The 'every man or woman does what is right in his or her own eyes' doctrine.

This doctrine shall be uncharted political territory. Because some truly bad people shall be 'pushing up' and scoping out our political landscape too. If our politics becomes a ground of full and open expediency, where "anybody" can enter—do not act surprised when hardcore gangsters and life-long criminals see an opportunity to wield power and influence. That is, . . . when we drop all decorum (or pretense of it) and brute POWER becomes 'the thing.'

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @8.2.1    5 months ago
The "things" are not the same

The only thing that distinguishes what McConnell did from what Biden and Schumer publicly claimed they would do, is that the McConnell was presented with the chance to act. 

Given the stated intent of Biden and Schumer to deny the Bushes a chance to have  a Supreme Court candidate confirmed, it's simply dishonest to claim that "it would never have entered the minds of Democrats." It clearly entered the minds of Senators Biden and Schumer, to the extent that Biden delivered a long speech justifying it. 

e are on our way somewhere in this country, Sean

We are. And its not good. But it's claims like this, that distort truth to perpetuate a partisan Manichean view where Democrats are perfect and Republicans evil, that is the real danger. 

 
 
 
CB
8.2.3  CB   replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.2    5 months ago
Manichean view. . . .

You stated yourself our direction "it's not good." So, where does this lead us?  We need a turn around. We can't maintain this high level of political suspense and angst. Something materially important is giving (or caving in) already-yet, the systems are self-correcting. Who (what) will come out on top? The literally old political party leaders on either side or the youthful first-timers who have no respect for all that has gone before?

All I am saying is lying, cheating, politically shallow victories, or well-carried out defeats to the system which undermine a democratic foundation will have expected consequences. Both sides can only dig so deep or gain so much mileage out of this, before something important and serious snaps. Wisdom should inform us all. When brute force politics becomes "the thing" know this: There are some 'players' in our society on the fringes itching to show the current teams what true political 'gore' can look and taste like.

We should start heading up towards the top of 'the barrel' while we have the chance. . . .

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.2.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    5 months ago
The senate’s rejection of garland was both constitutional and publicly advocated for by democrats the last two times they were in that specific  situation.

That, of course, if completely false.  Let's see an actual citation for that claim and don't think we don't see the weasel wording of "publicly advocated" which is a far cry from actually preventing a hearing for a Rep SCOTUS nominee.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
8.2.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.2    5 months ago
The only thing that distinguishes what McConnell did from what Biden and Schumer publicly claimed they would do, is that the McConnell was presented with the chance to act. 

Between "would do" (unfounded claim so far)  and "did" there's a vast ocean of difference.  What a pitiful attempt to justify the unjustifiable but it does indicate that even you know that and can't let yourself admit it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @8.2.5    5 months ago

Do you want to read this thread again and start over?

You don't seem to understand what's going on. 

 
 
 
WallyW
8.3  WallyW  replied to  CB @8    5 months ago
Still, the engine and the wheel has not paused or stopped to assess the trauma it has done to our shared body politics!

All that angst because some Democrat bozo wasn't worth wasting time and money on when he had no chance to being confirmed. 

 
 
 
CB
8.3.1  CB   replied to  WallyW @8.3    5 months ago

Both parties are expressing signs of being tired of its opponents. This traces back to the states from where these representatives and senators hail. Actually, it is worse than that.  Well-oiled and lubricated propaganda machines are at work everywhere. (Perhaps you are aware of AM talk radio conservative and liberal show 'offerings'?)

Judge Merrick Garland survived McConnell and lives to try again another day. The Senate under Leader McConnell may have suffered a fatal blow and simply has not fallen to the floor yet. Time will tell.

 
 
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