Poll shows that as many as 4 out of 5 Republicans may not care if Trump colluded with Russia
Interesting finding from a poll in New Hampshire concerning the 2020 election
So in this result we see yet more evidence that Trump supporters are a detriment to our country. Running away from it or pretending otherwise will not change the truth. The Trumpster doesn't care about the facts, they care about their feelings that Trump is their tribal leader and they must defend him no matter what.
The rest of us have to stop trying to appeal to trumpsters' reason or even their patriotism. At this point in time those functions are inoperative in the true Trump follower.
We just have to beat them and facilitate the end of this tragic farce era of our history.
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John, I'm not a Republucan. I am a right leaning conservative Independent. I do care, but I want concrete absolute proof that will stand up in a court of law instead of the innuendos and vague accusations that have been presented by many on the progressive liberal left Democrat side.
Trump supporters hold him to a very low standard. As long as he isnt going to jail for it he's good to go.
Trump has been a crook and an asshole his entire adult life. Such a person is not fit to serve in national office.
If someone told you 20 years ago that in 20 years we would have a president who had openly lied to the public thousands of times , you would have said that the person who told you that was nuts.
And what he says on tv, tweets and speeches doesn't show what type of person he is to you. Are you willing to just ignore all that?
Am I willing to ignore it? No. But we still live in a country where rule of law prevails with innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. As I said above, bring concrete proof that holds up in a court of law. If so, he can be tried fairly and found guilty or innocent as the jury decides.
Isn't that the truth. The bar is now "concrete proof of felony conspiracy" and the fact that he surrounded himself with a bunch of fall guys who have know either plead guilty, been convicted or are under indictment doesn't matter in the slightest to Republicans. Sure, if that had been a Democrat President with so many hand picked criminals around him they would have already been calling for impeachment, but that's just more evidence of the GOP's blatant hypocrisy.
Exactly and well said. We know that he didn’t conspire with Russia to win the last election so there is nothing for us to have to worry about that. It is the TDS Trump haters who actually are a detriment to America.
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and that is not a sufficient one
What's most likely to happen when Mueller issues a report confirming there was no collusion or obstruction of justice on Trump's part, is that those thoughtful 22% will quickly come back into the Republican fold. Coming along with them will be loads and loads of independents and lots and lots of Democrats, finally convinced that the party of FDR and JFK cannot lead or inspire us to greatness, but has gone too far left and seems intent only in obstructing of Trump, and the spreading of hate.
Or there may not even be a report, or it may be all redacted, or.....???
While I suspect there has been some detrimental alignment of those in close proximity to Trump and Russia, and I want the matter fully investigated, I'm also willing to wait to pass judgement until all investigative bodies have issued their reports. I feel the same way about the potential revolving around obstruction of justice charges of the same, and for those in congress that can be found to have assisted in obstructing effort to get to the truth.
Call me a boy scout, or whatever, but I still believer in due process.
I'll just put it to you like this - Donald Trump is irredeemable. IF Mueller gives him a clean bill of health because his obstruction and collusion are legally not provable, he will still be the most unfit for the office president of the United States in the history of this country.
On Wednesday this coming week Michael Cohen is said to be going to testify to Congress that Trump is completely corrupt and unethical. Cohen may be a liar in some respects, but when he says those things he will just be reinforcing what we all have already seen.
oh, so it can’t be that Trump is innocent of these charges, but only it is that they can’t legally prove him guilty as charged?
You know deep down that trmp is not innocent. The man has no moral character whatsoever.
If I believed in Revelations...I would say trmp is the Anti-Christ.
Crazy to think that a partisans would support a president who perjured himself and obstructed justice, huh?
That's nice, and somewhat revealing. No one mentioned perjury or post facto obstruction of justice. The poll references a potential finding by Mueller that Trump conspired with Russia to effect the election. 78% of Republicans have said (in the poll) that they don't think Trump collusion would turn them against him.
I guess I read your own link closer than you did.
78% of Republicans have said (in the poll) that they don't think Trump collusion would turn them against him.
Define what the collusion consists of. What percentage of democrats do you think would have supported President Hillary Clinton once it was revealed she paid Russian officials for information on Trump. Can you honestly argue with a straight face less that less than 78% of Democrats would still support her, despite her work with Russian officials to sabotage Trump?
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It's laughable to watch people like you pretend there is a shred of normalcy or honesty about Trump.
The day he stood on a stage and said that he hoped Russians would steal the private property of his political opponent his campaign should have ended in disgrace. Unfortunately that was only the beginning.
Um... Government emails aren't Hillary's private property...
But I guess If only he'd just paid Russian officials for secret information, right? That would make all the difference.
Trump never said anything close to that. The real beginning was when Hillary allowed all those top secret emails dangle in the cloud in the wild waiting to be hacked. It continued when the DNC willingly allowed its website to be hacked. Trump was making fun of their collective stupidity.
You are gaslighting this forum Greg Jones.
Simply pointing out your false statements.
That's not what he said. It's simply not. The emails were already missing and he said that if the Russians found the already missing emails, the press - not Trump - would probably reward them. He didn't suggest that anyone steal anything and he didn't offer anything himself.
This has been my issue with criticism of Trump from Day 1. And by Day 1, I mean June 16, 2015 when he announced he was running for president . He talked about border security and said that some people coming over the border were criminals and some were good people. He said it wasn't just Mexico, that it was Latin America, China, and other countries. The press severely warped what he said and reported that Trump said Mexicans are rapists and murderers. They lied. That bullshit has been going on ever since.
There are plenty of reasons to disagree with or criticize Trump, just as there would be with any politician, but I have never seen the press or a political party lie about one man as much as they lie about Trump.
And on and on and on, it goes.
I have the impression that if he wasn't trying to lose the campaign, he wasn't trying so very hard to win as much as to boost his own brand recognition.
He was far too concerned with campaign contributions and "his money" to allow
Chris Christie any money to build a transition team or ethics training. He thought it was a waste of "his money" because he did not expect to win.
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Harry Truman is generally referred to as The Accidental President. But President Trump more than qualifies for this nickname as well. IMO.
That's fine. Criticize him for what he said. I think that's valid. He says plenty of things I disagree with or disapprove. Some of the stuff I heard during the Republican primary debates, I thought I was listening to 7th graders insult each other - and that mostly came from Trump. But when the media or his opponents exaggerate what he said and attack the exaggeration, it invites less partisan critics into the position of defending him.
For example, Trump doesn't think all Mexicans are rapists and murderers. He doesn't even think all Mexican immigrants are rapists and murders. He doesn't even think all illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers. He thinks some illegal immigrants are rapists or murders. And that's actually true! It's probably not a lot, but it is true.
And getting back to Russia, he didn't ask Russia to steal anything. He didn't have to. The Washington Post reported two weeks earlier that Russia had hacked the DNC servers, so it was recent news that this kind of thing was going on and secret Democratic server data was out there somewhere.
Also, it was known that the hacked servers had DNC research and strategies to defeat Trump. That is, the hack made Trump vulnerable. It's therefore not weird that Trump would want the hackers or anyone else to release something that might harm Clinton as well. Maybe the missing emails he kept harping on were in there. (Probably not, but it gave him a reason to mention them for the umpteenth time)
I find it very partisan and unfair that people are horrified at the idea that the Clinton campaign might have been harmed by Russian hackers, but no one cares that the Trump campaign might have been harmed by it. We should be bothered by all hacking and concerned for everyone who might be harmed by it.
i think the media was incredulous and they should have been.
As for the 30,000 emails that were reportedly personal and deleted by an attorney hired to cover her butt legally, Trump suggested that "the Russians" should find those emails.
IF those emails were truly personal private property, then that's one legal problem.
If they were in any way related to Clinton's work for State, that's a bigger issue for both Clinton and Trump as well.
As the internet gets larger and larger, looking more lawless every day, is it any wonder that fringe media outlets have gotten bolder and bolder with so called reporting?
This didn't start with Trump. Obama and Bush both survived 8 years each. But they were at least qualified for the job and not under personal investigation daily. IMO.
John, I have invited you many times to do the following, but you have never answered my challenge. Maybe you can finally do so, so here goes.
Please point out, out of the hundreds of "I hate Trump, but don't really know why" articles and seeds over the last couple of years, that have actually come true.
Most, if not everything you seed is just pure hatred of a duly elected President, and the only reason you give for doing is "he lies". Why didn't you do the same with Obama, as he was known to get more than one 4 Pinocchios with his lies? We know why. You can't hate something you worship.
It's OK, you can start out your response with your normal personal attacks.
I won't flag you.
So far OK.
They were qualified? You have a very, very different definition than I do of being qualified to be President of the US. Trump, Bush Jr, and Obama all met the legal requirements for being POTUS; but then so do millions of other US citizens. But qualified, not even close.
Yes, they were far smarter than Trump and both had a thick layer of yes men, and women, willing to fall on their political and personal swords to keep both out of all investigations. Trump is a political moron that the media, and Establishment politicians and government officials, exploit it every day. He did the impossible and won the Presidency while being a true "Establishment outsider". They have been trying to make an example of him ever since. Next thing you know everyday Joe and Jane six pack will think they can run for president and win.
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I , and others here, have seeded posted and endless amount of information about the lies, corruption and blatant ignorance of Donald Trump. Before the 2016 election Keith Olberman posted a video where he read an article that he had written for esquire magazine which contained 182 reasons not to vote for Trump. Most of those 182 reasons were very specific, having to do with Trump's lies, corruption and stupidity.
Bugsy, did you read the New York Times story last year that essentially proved that Donald Trump, in collaboration with his parents, was a tax cheat over the course of years? He cheated the government out of millions of dollars.
I don't want people like that in the presidency and you evidently do.
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All your opinion...nothing else.
Bugsy, did you read the New York Times story last year that essentially proved that Donald Trump, in collaboration with his parents, was a tax cheat over the course of years? He cheated the government out of millions of dollars.
Again, opinion. What charges have been brought for this fraud. I can assure you that the Southern District of New York would have jumped on that in a split second. Because they haven't, it tells me the NYT article is speculation only. BTW, "essentially proved" does not mean without a doubt. It means your blinders see what you want to see.
Funny how you say I am not worth the time, but you took the time to respond. So, you could have responded with my request, but because you didn't, it shows your seeds and posts were nothing more that "Oh please, please, please...let this be the one that gets him". I bet it's been a long disappointing two years that nothing you have posted is true, huh?
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you mean the way they stood behind William Jefferson Clinton?
They’re waiting until we get fully owned by Russia and China before they express outrage. IOW, they are Vlad and Xi’s useful idiots.
They will be waiting forever. Unless there is another Civil War Russia and China will never "own" the US.
And the left aren't useful idiots? Better do some real research into the Russian bot companies organizing anti Trump rallies after the election was over. The Russians and Chinese are laughing at all of us for being so easy to manipulate and turn against each other. The real funny thing is that the left thinks it will all end if they just remove Trump from office.
China will never "own" the US.
1.3 trillion dollars of US debt is nothing to sneeze at.
And the left aren't useful idiots?
There are some. Identifying them is easy though. They are the ones who are so wound up in Facebook that they didn’t bother watching or reading actual news leading up to the 2016 election, and were swayed by a foreign adversary into believing that Trump would be a better candidate than Clinton. It took a catastrophic Presidential* term for them to realize the mistake they made, but they won’t be making it again.
America must surrender. The Trump was sent by gawd to deliver us from ourselves.
It is written in long lost scripture that the GOPERS blessed with allegiance to the 'orange messiah' are the true disciples of gawd, possessing the truest forms of ineffability beyond the furthermost scope of the 'alternative fact'. Against this their is no defense, morally or resolutely.
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In other words, it is hopeless. If justice prevails the 35% will create their own 'Redoubt'.
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Poll shows that as many as 4 out of 5 Republicans may not care if Trump colluded with Russia
A better, and far more accurate, headline should read..."Reality shows that 10 out of 10 Liberal/Democrat do not care that Hillary colluded with Russia, even when indisputable proof is provided."
are peop0le REALLY THIS STUPID...?
To believe these polls? Why yes, yes they are.
Hillaryious Hillary in a landslide...…...