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I was assaulted at Berkeley because I'm conservative. Free speech is under attack.

  

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Via:  make-america-great-again  •  5 years ago  •  78 comments

I was assaulted at Berkeley because I'm conservative. Free speech is under attack.
The punch I took on campus was not an isolated incident. Leftists are targeting conservative students across the country for their political beliefs.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


The past two weeks have been surreal. On Feb. 19, while recruiting conservative students on campus at the University of California-Berkeley, I was assaulted by a violent leftist. A little more than a week later, I got to shake hands with the president of the United States and address an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference about why it's more important than ever to protect free speech on our college campuses.

As a field representative for the Leadership Institute, I travel to campuses throughout California helping conservative clubs recruit and train new members. I've seen the intolerance and hate toward conservatives on our  campuses with my own eyes, and the only difference between what happened to me on Feb. 19 and every other day is that the event was caught on video.

Conservative students across the country have suffered verbal and physical assault , social ostracism and even academic persecution  for voicing their opinions on political topics. This is because young liberals believe that they are on the morally righteous side in a culture war and, in order to win, they must silence any form of dissent. Leftists and the progressives aspire to nothing less than to make it de facto impossible to be conservative in public.

The United States is well on its way to achieving this goal, based on the Covington Catholic High School incident. Wearing a red hat near the Lincoln Memorial was apparently enough for the news and social media personalities to label the act provocation, and commentators worked   aggressively to "dox " the students. In their frenzy, students were even misidentified,  and   at least one boy and his family were allegedly harassed. By contrast, there was not a similar rush to expose the identity of the man who was caught on video assaulting me.

Differing political ideas treated as violent


Increasingly, leftists believe they are justified to respond to ideas disagreeable to them with open hostility and even force.   Students are commonly  told now that words are literally violent and can be responded to with physical force. I don't mean verbal threats of violence or efforts to intimidate, I mean words that express ideas that the listener finds offensive or disagrees with.

The message that provoked my attacker was our sign that read "Hate Crime Hoaxes Hurt Real Victims," a reference to the   recent case of Jussie Smollett , who was charged by Chicago police with filing a false police report about an apparently fictitious attack. My attacker said we were promoting violence, which, in his view, gives him permission to use any means necessary to shut us down. The irony is that the sign was intended to warn of the danger of disregarding facts and jumping to judgment in an effort to confirm a narrative our feelings tell us is true.

The message applies to more than the Smollett story, and the search for truth is certainly relevant on campuses of higher education, where students are supposed to grow personally and intellectually — not only through textbook and classroom learning but also by exchanging ideas, debating tough topics, and being challenged to defend their views. This growth cannot happen when speech is restricted — that's not only a disservice to students but a threat to our republic as well.

Berkeley's anti-conservative record


The Berkeley administration in particular has allowed a culture of intolerance and violence toward conservatives to grow. The College Republicans club has had its   property vandalized , and critics have called for the members to be lynched . When there was a pro-Trump rally in April 2017, a former community college professor was arrested for allegedly assaulting multiple supporters with a bike lock. He later accepted a plea deal. 

When Milo Yiannopoulos visited in February 2017, the campus became the site of violent riots. Some people even   threw Molotov cocktails and fireworks, injuring students and causing   $100,000 worth of damage to the school. Berkeley police  canceled the speech after "an apparently organized violent attack and destruction of property" forced them to evacuate Yiannopoulos for his own protection.

After I was assaulted, a university employee   tweeted  (now deleted), "The MAGA people on UC Berkeley campus yesterday got punched in the face by someone this makes me feel emotionally so much better." 

Since the arrest last week of the person who assaulted me, we have learned that he was once a student and employee of UC Berkeley.

Progress depends on the freedom of the human person to develop ideas and voice them. And we’re all better when this intellectual growth happens. The battle to protect free speech is one of the most important culture battles facing our nation today.

There are so many students across the country fighting for their right to free speech. They don’t do it for recognition; they do it because they understand how imperative this human right is and are willing to defend it.

President Donald Trump's forthcoming executive order requiring colleges and universities to protect free speech in order to receive federal funds shows that he agrees. I'm proud of our president and, as I get ready to head back out in the field, I draw strength in knowing that we have his support and the support of conservative students who continue to stand up for their political beliefs.

Hayden Williams is a field representative for  Leadership Institute . Follow him on Twitter  @HaydenTrilliams .


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

“After I was assaulted, a university employee  tweeted (now deleted), "The MAGA people on UC Berkeley campus yesterday got punched in the face by someone this makes me feel emotionally so much better." 

Since the arrest last week of the person who assaulted me, we have learned that he was once a student and employee of UC Berkeley.

Progress depends on the freedom of the human person to develop ideas and voice them. And we’re all better when this intellectual growth happens. The battle to protect free speech is one of the most important culture battles facing our nation today.

There are so many students across the country fighting for their right to free speech. They don’t do it for recognition; they do it because they understand how imperative this human right is and are willing to defend it.

President Donald Trump's forthcoming executive orderrequiring colleges and universities to protect free speech in order to receive federal funds shows that he agrees. I'm proud of our president”

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    5 years ago
There are so many students across the country fighting for their right to free speech.

who the WTF is he, and U, babbling about...?

Who has worked to squash out free speech, more than the DAMN POTUS?, politicians, Hollywood, Sports Pros', or N E One else that insecure lil Trumppy feels threatened by.

He attempts to censor and or shut down anyone that calls him out on his constant lying asz listed above.

Fake News, from our own heads of the United States Top Intelligence agencies,??? a big Hoax, the worlds biggest witch hunt, and on and on and on.

C'mon Wally, i know you're smarter than the blind loyalty you display.

Question things,   THINK      for yourself !

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    5 years ago

Quite the diatribe.  I’m not Wally.  We saw him speak at CPAC when the President brought him to the attention of those not aware of him being feloniously assaulted at the people’s republic of berzerkeley for speaking while conservative.  You didn’t notice the photo at the top of the seed?  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    5 years ago
didn’t notice the photo at the top of the seed?  

yea i did   BUT,

who hasn't got sucker punched in the face...

again KAG, WTF

yOu can thank your fearful leader for the state of a hell of a lot wrong in our country today

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.2    5 years ago

What exact steps has Trump taken to silence anyone? Besides calling their biased asses out on twitter, and whenever the media is dumb enough (which is every day it seems) to put a microphone in front of him?

Or are you talking about the moronic leftists that attempt to disrupt his rallies, end up getting assaulted by his supporters, and then escorted out of the event by security? These are private events at private venues. 

Also, how does this excuse in any way the left's attempt at silencing free speech on public campus across the US?  Or do you think this just started with Trump? 

But we all know all the left can do is rage scream "TTTrrrrummpppp", and that justifies anything they do.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.3    5 years ago
Besides calling their biased asses out on twitter, and whenever the media is dumb enough (which is every day it seems) to put a microphone in front of him?

So it's "the inventor of Twitters fault" along wit the 'dumb media' for allowing Trump his first amendment rights

OK

Got it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.4    5 years ago

Trump isn’t the real issue here.  Violence against conservatives on college campuses is.  And some are rationalizing it or trying to shift blame for it as if there is any excuse at all for it. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.5    5 years ago
as if there is any excuse at all for it. 

there isn't any excuse, and sayng Trump isn't the real issue, isn't being truthful.

He has Blown

on the embers till the flickerin flame was relit

under the 'your Fired' yule log

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    5 years ago
Who has worked to squash out free speech, more than the DAMN POTUS?

What work are you talking about?

He attempts to censor and or shut down

Who has he tried to censor? Who has he tried to shut down?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.7    5 years ago
Who has he tried to censor? Who has he tried to shut down?

say what...

what and who has Trump attempted to censor or shut down ????

I Know you are not stupid, as your posed question, seems to question.

.

Are you going to deny Trump does not, and has not ,had reporters and peoples removed when they ask him simple questions ???

Does Jim Acosta being denied access to the White House ring a bell, or certain reporters not allowed in room while others were, with he and lil Kim

Has Trump not tweeted over a hundred times that a REPUBLICAN led investigation be shut down as he claims it's all a witch hunt ???   as 199 charges have been presented to date , with arrests, guilty pleas, plea deals etc to boot.

During rallies, Trump did not call for violence, and say he would cover attorney fees for those who would punch them in the face ??

Did he not fire Comey ??  McCabe  etc

Deny Russia interfered in our elections, while standing with Putin on the worlds stage ?

WTF are you talking about Taco

Taco or leave it

if u

don't beleive your own lying eyes and ears. Too many to list here

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.8    5 years ago
Are you going to deny Trump does not, and has not ,had reporters and peoples removed when they ask him simple questions ???

I might not if you offered an example. That's why I asked.

I Know you are not stupid, as your posed question, seems to question.

Rather than make sideways passive-aggressive implications that I'm stupid, you could have just answered my direct question with a direct answer.

Does Jim Acosta being denied access to the White House ring a bell,

Yeah it does. He was denied access to the White House after he asked four questions in a two-question format, wouldn't shut up, wouldn't share the microphone, and pushed away a White House intern who was trying to take it from him so she could give it to someone else.

However, the bully's 1st Amendment rights were unharmed. Acosta went on the air that very evening on CNN to complain. No censorship was in evidence.

witch hunt

That doesn't have anything to do with free speech or censorship of the press. Neither does the rest of the stuff you mentioned.

Taco or leave it

Very mature. The next time I try to make fun of you using your name or any other way, it will be the first time. That's how you talk to people or make arguments?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.9    5 years ago

Well played and well said. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.9    5 years ago
That's how you talk to people or make arguments?

What ?

I've never talked to you. Correspondence has always only been written.

Are you feeling OK ?

I don't talk to everyone this way, yet, i still say what i say, on any given day, that i do. Didn;t mean to offend, as i'm not sure what offends whom around here, less, or anymore.

.

I thought i was supposed to be the little melting yellow snowflake around here, now i'm having an identity crisis, especially with your vague thoughts implying implications, that won't ever, actually have an effect on me, but i'm happy, if it helps you cope, and , i could use it to identify, and indemnify, you and me from n e culpability, as i'm guilty, of in no cents, and can't Change a lite bulb, but i enlighten up a room without a view for people who can't see i'm not blind

dating myself anymore, cause i often sometimes rarely feel i can't feel, cause i lost my ability to feel, then some numb 

skull returned it,    to who i lost it to, and i'd probably feel different about it, but i just can't, cause as i believe i've already stated the denial, of how i've not lost my feeling, about feeling lost, if i could only find myself , at the lost and found, where 

i found myself lost, and found, this could go round and round, and not so merry i've found, but who really wants to go around with a merry merry go round, this time around ?

Uncomfortably knumb is what i can't seem to feel    sew    buttons   is the name of my new horse, and when people ask me why i can't seem to have feelings,  could it be   because i lost them   and in order to again find them

i become    i guess 

right all the time, so next time i'll guess Left ,cause it would be wrong to again guess

right here or there  why, a letter sent by U  to i , could never be right, right ?

Cause like i've always sung via song, if Loven you is right, it's wrong, and i don't want to be right about being wrong. in any ones song, 

cause   it's not right   if it runs incongruent to my parallel universal 

.

all apologies there Tacos, as i'm counting down the minutes till i'm allowed out agaIN, And they are few

so go easy on me, cause i get a peaceful easy feeling   when i'm dead

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.10    5 years ago
Well played and well said.

[Deleted]

My benevolence is about to come to an end

.

"I might not if you offered an example. That's why I asked"

So you immediately recognize my example that you a second before, had NO idea what i was talking about ?

That sounds soooo be leave able. ,

.

"However, the bully's 1st Amendment rights were unharmed. Acosta went on the air that very evening on CNN to complain. No censorship was in evidence."

WTF dude, NO CENSORSHIP WAS IN EVIDENCE ?

What would you call it then ? He was made to leave the White House, for asking  simple questions that a simpleton couldn't answer, so simpleton simply has him REMOVED AND BARRED from the PRESS ROOM, cause as we all know, ask lil' Kim of N Korea, no one is allowed to ask questions in a room designed for reporters to ONLY be told , never ask, say like  a follow up question, yea, this is not evidence of censorship , is it ?

No Reply Wanted

"

witch hunt

That doesn't have anything to do with free speech or censorship of the press. Neither does the rest of the stuff you mentioned."

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Trumps tweets claiming FAKE NEWS, HOAX, WITCH HUNTS, have NOTHING to do with censoring the press or attempting to squelch  free speech ???

This POS has threatened to sue SNL over their unflattering parody depiction of the Tyrant in Chief, 

That fellow, is a textbook example of attempting to silence free speech . and censor the PRESS  Sure

.

[Deleted]

i'm done. you are only trolling , and i will easily EZ Pass  you     Bye

 
 
 
luther28
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2  luther28    5 years ago

I was assaulted at Berkeley because I'm conservative. Free speech is under attack.

And did you turn the other cheek?

Kidding aside, I have to ask how this individual happened to pick you out as a conservative? Not that it does not happen from time to time, but it is a tad unusual (even in these times) for someone to smack someone for no particular reason. I do not believe that facial recognition technology has been developed to the point of being able to distinguish liberals from their counterparts.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  luther28 @2    5 years ago
did you turn the other cheek?

slapped stick comedy, or body's reaction to the Laws of Physics...

u D side

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  luther28 @2    5 years ago

We all know the reason why he was assaulted.  It was well documented. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    5 years ago

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cms5
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2.3  cms5  replied to  luther28 @2    5 years ago
Kidding aside, I have to ask how this individual happened to pick you out as a conservative?

Might I suggest reading the posted article and clicking the links...they will guide you to the very beginning of the story and answer all of your questions.

 
 
 
zuksam
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3  zuksam    5 years ago

I don't know why anyone would defend this Criminal Thug. Freedom of speech, the free exchange of Ideas and the right to publicly assemble and share those ideas is the basis of our Democracy without which we cannot have an informed Electorate. These rights are not limited to those who have Good Ideas or Socially Acceptable Ideas, We all know what is socially acceptable changes over time largely because we've protected Free Speech. This Thug (or any other) does not have the Right to limit anyone else's free speech, he does not have the right to shut him down because he doesn't agree with what is being said and he certainly doesn't have the right to use violence and intimidation to stop someone's free speech no matter how offensive he believes it to be. We all have the right to make up our own minds whether an Idea is good or bad as we see it, we can agree or not as we each see fit. We also have the right to not listen at all, we can close our minds and remain unchanged for the rest of our lives (many people do), but we do not have the right to prevent others from listening and making their own decisions just because we don't trust them to make what we think is the right decision. In this country we have a lot of people expressing ideas and opinions, some good, some bad, some that I agree with, most I don't. I'm glad they have the right to express those ideas and opinions though because every once in a while someone comes up with a new idea so great it makes putting up with all the rest worth it, and many times that great new Idea is not well received or socially acceptable at first, it takes time and freedom for people to see wisdom.

 
 
 
cms5
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4  cms5    5 years ago

It is unfortunate that it appears the younger generations aren't able to debate issues and speak their minds without resorting to violence. It is also unfortunate to see how many divert attention away from this issue by pointing fingers elsewhere.

Jussie Smollett's fake assault becomes a mantra for 'all hate crimes are growing'...and this actual assault becomes a need for diversion.

Neither political party walks on water...there is no 'right' in this...there are plenty of wrongs. Like it or not...we all have rights. Violence should NEVER be an acceptable answer.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5  Split Personality    5 years ago

These things always have more details than the first knee jerk reactions posted by the first article to hit the internet.

At least 2 people strongly objected to being filmed

and asked that the victim (Williams) stop filming them.

It's still unclear who started this, but it is clear that Greenberg suck punched Williams when Williams raised the phone again, apparently to keep filming.

Caution, bad language and bad manners.

 
 
 
cms5
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5.1  cms5  replied to  Split Personality @5    5 years ago

Thanks for posting that. I did see where the guy asked that the victim explain what he was 'effing doing...and state, "You're not videoing me." The victim states they are in public and he's doing it for his own safety. The one who wants him to stop videoing then states he's encouraging violence. That's when things get violent. The victims voice was not raised, nor was he cussing, so why did the violence occur? Was it because he was taking video for his own safety? Why didn't those two just walk away?

I must say, if I were approached by people like that, I too would pull out my cell phone to take video of it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  cms5 @5.1    5 years ago

The first guy objected strongly to something on the table ( covered in red "cloth" with signs on the other side ) which  I cannot make out.

Why didn't those two just walk away?

Conversely, why do some people, not students, set up a table on a campus, knowing that they need to video their interactions because they know

there will be potential altercations?

Is it a missionary complex?

Unfortunately reminded of the Black Hebrews at the Lincoln Memorial being verbally very racist and ignorant, also filming themselves for hours, expecting the same kind of attack.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  cms5 @5.1    5 years ago
if I were approached by people like that, I too would pull out my cell phone to take video of it.

yet , you can't see why you are FAR MORE likely to get punched in the face...?

 
 
 
cms5
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5.1.3  cms5  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    5 years ago
Conversely, why do some people, not students, set up a table on a campus, knowing that they need to video their interactions because they know there will be potential altercations?

This wasn't a video camera, as was the case for the Black Hebrew Israelites...it was a smart phone. Something we all carry.

As for what the guy was ' objecting to'...

Williams told Fox News' Sean Hannity on Thursday that some students were upset by a sign he had displayed at his recruitment table that said, "Hate Crime Hoaxes Hurt Real Victims" -- apparently a reference to "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett, who has been accused of staging what he maintains was a hate crime against him.
"This person claimed we were promoting violence on campus and proceeded to take his aggression out on us," Williams told Hannity.
(Before anyone gets all riled up over seeing Fox News or Sean Hannity - the article linked is from CNN.) According to the article, a student took the video of the incident.
So, it would be interesting to see a photo of the table. Either one of these guys could have taped it themselves....
 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    5 years ago
Unfortunately reminded of the Black Hebrews at the Lincoln Memorial being verbally very racist and ignorant, also filming themselves for hours, expecting the same kind of attac

ditto

.

exploiting the division , only multiplies, as in order to divide, one multiplies

the factors           and that's a fact   tore right out of a good book, right

there on a shelf of good books

How many times can you divide 0   then times(x) that by 1

and you see where this Bullshit blame the Left

hook on a hooker without a pimp  pulling  the union apart, 

as 

peep holes divide dead,  are a doored   by conquerors 

 
 
 
cms5
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5.1.5  cms5  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.2    5 years ago
yet , you can't see why you are FAR MORE likely to get punched in the face...?

I have to ask...why would you assume that I would be far more likely to get punched in the face? Is it because I might hold different views than you? Should I not expect the same freedoms of speech that you feel you have a right to?

Aggressive behaviors are not an acceptable response to someone's right to freedom of speech.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  cms5 @5.1.5    5 years ago
Is it because I might hold different views than you? Should I not expect the same freedoms of speech that you feel you have a right to?

No

Yes

"Aggressive behaviors are not an acceptable response to someone's right to freedom of speech."

Agreed

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.6    5 years ago

I heard that too. 

More than likely the felony charge will be plead down to multiple misdemeanors.

More depends on the financial health of the County than anything else.

They will seek enough charges to make sure he pays for everything including the cost of his own probation.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  cms5 @5.1.3    5 years ago
as was the case for the Black Hebrew Israelites

Not trying to be disagreeable but the Black Hebrews were definitely filming with smart phones also.

At other events their "security team" always have a cell phone in one hand and a billy club in the other.

Apologies to the seeder for derailing.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.6    5 years ago

In fact he is now charged with 3 felonys  and one misdemeanor at a minimum.

Although he threatened to shoot Mr Williams, he is still covered by  a restraining order from a previous roommate which forced him to surrender his firearms.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.2    5 years ago

No because such an attack is a major escalation and not warranted.  The group at the tables had every right to video for evidence in case their political opposition loses all sense of comity and civility.  A college is a place for free expression of ideas and violence like what happened only doubles down our intent to be seen and heard in such a place.  The school will protect all free speech or lose certain federal funding.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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5.1.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.11    5 years ago

Did you even read my elaboration of why i did state what i did state ?

I don't agree with the idiot throwing down, it is what it is in the United Divided States today, and if the conservative clown had faced his phone towards the ground, i don't think we would be talking about this at all, as it wouldn't of happened. PERIOD

Do people on the 'Right" live in the same America i do...?

Sorry that so many don't, or can't see, how they are further being used to Divide US, as in the real world, the one i lived and live in, you needed to know when to engage people, and with what tone and temperament, and be ready to back up your beliefs, or learn Diplomacy tactics, cause todays America is divided.

I've worked in many Nasty Downtrodden Hoods, and rarely have i had to resort to violence, but, it can never be ruled out.

Ones survival may depend on it. Mine does and did, yet i'm able to hang with very varying scopes and types of people. Some, that would not hesitate to punch about any one in the face, over less than what i observed in these video clips.

Others, that wouldn't even raise their voices.

I haven't been in any scuffles of the physical nature in a while, besides being called upon to break up others.

Hey, Pacifism works for some, and i appreciate and salute them, i was just brought up in a world where it wouldn't cut it.

I used to be ready to throw down, verbally or physically, with about N E body, now a daze, i prefer verbal jujitsu, over gettin bloody, but we all do what we have to.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.12    5 years ago

No, we on the right do not live in the same ideal for America as you do.  John Edwards was right about there being two America’s but wrong about what it is that separates us.  Everyone has the freedom to believe and express as they see fit to and without worry about experiencing physical harm in doing so. There is no legitimate version of America that accepts or tolerates the resort to physical violence over differences of opinion on political issues.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.12    5 years ago

No, we on the right do not live in the same ideal for America as you do.  John Edwards was right about there being two America’s but wrong about what it is that separates us.  Everyone has the freedom to believe and express as they see fit to and without worry about experiencing physical harm in doing so. There is no legitimate version of America that accepts or tolerates the resort to physical violence over differences of opinion on political issues.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.2    5 years ago

People are more likely to engage in physical violence while being recorded for evidence in case the violence occurs.  Common criminals run away from the area  if they could be exposed for what they did.  That these people engaged in the assault despite the likelihood of exposure demonstrated their hate of diversity to be so strong that they are willing to go to jail if that’s what it takes to silence, censor, and content control their opposition.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
5.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Split Personality @5    5 years ago
At least 2 people strongly objected to being filmed

Well if that's the case why didn't they accost the guy video taping them accosting the guy video taping them? jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

Obviously the guy doing the sucker punching was a triggered snowflake. He told the guy he accosted that he was inciting hate.

I don't see the other side of the story...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
5.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  KDMichigan @5.2    5 years ago
He told the guy he accosted that he was inciting hate.

Like I stated, something on that table, or the signs on it, were what the guy in the grey hoodie said were inciting hate. They are not visible, but they will be taken into consideration when Greenberg pleads this down to disturbing the peace.  It remains to be seen if Williams takes it any further with a civil suit.

Obviously none of them were aware that someone else was filming the dispute and altercation as well.  That was very good for Williams.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  KDMichigan @5.2    5 years ago
I don't see the other side of the story...

flip the coin

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.2.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.1    5 years ago
That was very good for Williams.

sure was, cause when this original seeded article was first read,mit didn't add up

Context is again

key

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
5.2.4  cms5  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.1    5 years ago

While you may not care for the source of this article ...it does show the table, and more video from the incident.

I don't see where Greenfield could possibly plead this down to disturbing the peace given the video of him cold cocking Williams, and his declaring 'I'll shoot your ass'. There are too many videos showing a violent assault.

Now, let's look at what was on the table. A sign "This is MAGA Country", and a sign "Hate Crime Hoaxes Hurt Real Victims". I can understand those who are disturbed by anything MAGA...even the Hate Crime Hoaxes might rile someone...but none of that gives anyone a right to behave aggressively, or assault anyone. Exchange words...express your disdain...yell and scream if it makes you feel better...but NEVER resort to violence. Period.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cms5 @5.2.4    5 years ago

The bottom line.....

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.4  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @5    5 years ago

the video seems to be missing the initial provocation, which isn't surprising given the source and subject matter. not having the opportunity to see what they were displaying on the table is also a bit troubling. another major NT video disappointment for me. I was expecting... more, a lot more. Like 7 unedited minutes and an ambulance in the final shot more. The puncher seemed more upset just about having his picture taken.

If this is some kind of new tactic for random trumpsters put themselves in situations where they get their asses kicked on video to prove they're being persecuted, I fully encourage it. 

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
5.4.1  cms5  replied to  devangelical @5.4    5 years ago

Might I suggest reading the comments...there are links provided throughout that offer more video and table contents.

It is unfortunate and disturbing that you would encourage any type of violence for any reason.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.4.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  devangelical @5.4    5 years ago
If this is some kind of new tactic for random trumpsters put themselves in situations where they get their asses kicked on video to prove they're being persecuted, I fully encourage it. 

That's what it appears to be to me, from the evidence so far provided, just more of Trumps one sided accusatory themed BullShit, constantly pushed by the oh so innocent so wrongly called "right", looking for, finding, and then losing the  Fight, where , actually they have again won, as so often proven by their base, for the sheep are always smarter than the amount of flocking  ignorance to the "right" mentality , too ignorant to see through

what is truly true

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.4.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cms5 @5.4.1    5 years ago

Well said.  I completely agree.  It is pathetic and ridiculous that anyone would promote any form of violence to promote or suppress the promotion of a domestic political or religious point of view.  There is no place for violence there or on a college campus.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.4.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @5.4    5 years ago

I have plenty of video where antifa picked fights with their counter protestors on the right and got there butts kicked well and good.  Want to see some of them.  Can I fully encourage that?  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.4.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.4.4    5 years ago

i hang out with groups arrested for kicking the asses of ALL types.

What exactly does the fact that most of them have similar views as to that of Trump n Cump mean ?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.4.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.4.5    5 years ago

...We will keep up the effort to preserve free speech and punish those who interfere in said free speech.                                           ....

.....Trump made the announcement after recognizing a Berkeley student, Hayden Williams, who was punched in the face (pictured above) by a left-wing activist Feb. 19.

“If they want our dollars, and we give it to them by the billions, they’ve got to allow people like Hayden and many other great young people and old people, to speak, free speech,” Trump told the crowd. “If they don’t, it will be very costly.

Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel tells OneNewsNow the executive order will address the growing number of complaints about the suppression of conservative speech on college campuses.

The biggest violators, he says, are those benefitting the most from federal funds.

"These college campuses receive millions and millions of dollars of federal funds,” he complains. “In fact, most college campuses exist because of federal loans."

Regardless of how the regulation is drafted, Staver says it “shines a light” on an ongoing problem that has been documented and that dates back many years..... https://onenewsnow.com/education/2019/03/13/trump-calls-out-left-wing-campuses-over-free-speech-rights

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.4.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.4.6    5 years ago

Liberty Council is right about this issue.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.4.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.4.5    5 years ago

What does it mean?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @5    5 years ago

The threatened conservatives began recording when the crowd seemed to be getting angry at their presence at the table doing the recruiting they were doing on the assumption that people don’t do stupid and illegal things when they are being watched.  So from now on filming of these events will happen as the video revealed the image of the attacker. People have to realize that they will be civil around those they disagree with or they will be filmed , caught,and go to jail. 

 
 

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