Dear Citizen Collusion Truther—You Own This, Too

  
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Dear Citizen Collusion Truther—You Own This, Too
You did it, too, my fellow citizen. For two years, you helped do the dirty work of the vanquished Hillary Clinton campaign and the sore-loser Democratic Party. You reposted memes on your Facebook and Instagram pages that depicted Donald Trump as a Putin puppet, even suggesting tongue-in-cheek (in a way that you’d call homophobic if the other side did it) that Trump was Putin’s gay lover. You warned your neighbors that Trump’s son was a traitor. You insisted to your co-workers that, yes,...

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Hey, what’s up . . . wait, where are you going?

Why the dark glasses? Did you dye your hair? What’s with all the deleted tweets and Facebook posts lately?

Oh, I get it. Now that Special Counsel Robert Mueller didn’t find any evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Ruskies to throw the 2016 election, you want to move on. Act like it never happened. Or at least pretend that you weren’t part of the whole damn hoax from the start.

But . . . not so fast.

It wasn’t just the entire American media infrastructure—every broadcast network, cable news outlet, opinion page, political website, blue-checked social media account, washed-up D.C. pundit, unhinged MSNBC host, irrelevant Bush hanger-on, complicit Obama lackey, and Clinton bitter clinger who fell for the Trump-Russia collusion fairy tale. It wasn’t just every Democratic lawmaker and candidate—and a good chunk of the establishment Republican elite—who peddled a bogus story for two years. It wasn’t just every Hollywood actress, producer, legend, fluffer, has-been and late night host who caterwauled for months about Trump’s treachery.

You did it, too, my fellow citizen.

For two years, you helped do the dirty work of the vanquished Hillary Clinton campaign and the sore-loser Democratic Party. You reposted memes on your Facebook and Instagram pages that depicted Donald Trump as a Putin puppet, even suggesting tongue-in-cheek (in a way that you’d call homophobic if the other side did it) that Trump was Putin’s gay lover. You warned your neighbors that Trump’s son was a traitor. You insisted to your co-workers that, yes, Trump’s campaign team was populated by Russian agents and that the president’s attorney general, his secretary of state, his education secretary, his national security advisor, his son-in-law—among others—were Kremlin plants in the new administration.

You actually believed that Carter Page was a spy. You actually believed that the FBI opened up an investigation into the Trump campaign because a drunken George Papadopoulos said he had Hillary Clinton’s missing emails. You actually believed that Trump urinated on a Russian prostitute at a Moscow hotel. You actually believed that a teeny tiny batch of Facebook memes and Twitter posts allegedly controlled by Moscow masterminds somehow convinced voters in Michigan and Wisconsin to vote for Donald Trump.

You believed that Michael Cohen went to Prague. You believed that Russia hacked the DNC email system and fed those emails to Wikileaks. You believed that Roger Stone orchestrated the release of those emails. You believed that Sam Nunberg and Jerome Corsi and Konstantin Kilimnik had the goods on Trump.

You tuned into Joe Scarborough each morning and Rachel Maddow each night, desperate to gratify your collusion urges with their passionate rants about Trump and Putin. Ditto for Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper and Chris Cuomo. The pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post read like collusion porn every morning, teasing you and titillating you with erotic tales about secret phone calls and mysterious interpreters and raven-haired Russian lawyers.

You swooned over Adam Schiff. You suddenly believed every word of faux conservatives such as Bill Kristol and David Frum and Max Boot; people you had held in contempt prior to the 2016 election. You retweeted every post by the Krassenstein brothers, Kathy Griffin, and Alyssa Milano.

You bought prayer candles with Robert Mueller’s face etched across the glass and instead of sending Christmas cards last year, you sent everyone a weird videoof washed-up celebrities singing “We Wish You a Mueller Christmas.” You signed every petition to “Protect Robert Mueller!” and reposted every commercial that warned Congress to “Save the Special Counsel!” You worried that Russian bot accounts were trying to mess with Mueller.

You bought James Comey’s book. You bought Andrew McCabe’s book. You donated to Peter Strzok’s GoFundMe page. You urged Sally Yates to run for office. You believed that Christopher Steele was just a former British spy whose dossier was totally legit. You were bummed Rod Rosenstein didn’t wear a wire while talking to the sitting president of the United States. You were equally bummed that Paul Manafort isn’t going to die in prison.

You were the baritone in the Trump-Russia collusion quartet, harmonizing along with the news media, the Democrats and the NeverTrump Republicans: “The walls are closing in!”“Trump’s days are numbered!” “It’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when!” “His cabinet is turning on him, ready to invoke the 25th Amendment!” “He’s brooding and angry and lashing out at staff as Mueller gets closer to finding out the truth!” “Trump won’t survive the week/month/year/term!”

Details and evidence were of no concern to you. You believed all of the following things for no reason other than that youwanted to. Trump told the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails before the election. (He didn’t.) Donald Trump Jr. colluded with Russia when he met in June 2016 for 20 minutes with a Russian lawyer in Trump Tower. (The meeting was a setup between Russian lobbyists working with Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS which produced the dossier, and Trump’s campaign team. No “dirt” on Hillary Clinton was passed along.)

Mike Flynn promised the Russian ambassador that Trump would drop sanctions against Russia. (No such promise was made.) President Trump told James Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn. (The only evidence that Trump suggested such a thing is Comey’s own memo; Trump was unaware of the investigation into his campaign at the time.)

And so on.

But the most compelling evidence that you refused to accept was right before your very eyes the entire time. In nearly two years, Mueller did not charge one person with so-called “collusion.” Not one associate tied to the Trump campaign was indicted or convicted of any crime related to the election.

I know you still have hope that the full Mueller report will contain some far-fetched nugget of collusion evidence to vindicate your gullibility/ignorance/foolishness. You’ve already moved the goalposts to an imaginary crime of obstruction of justice even though there was no underlying crime to obstruct.

History will not be kind to the Trump-Russia collusion truthers in Congress, the expert class, Hollywood, and the media. But history also shouldn’t forget the role that you, Citizen Collusion Truther, played in this. No matter how many tweets and Facebook posts you delete, it cannot erase your complicit stupidity in this scandal.

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XXJefferson#51
1  seeder  XXJefferson#51    2 months ago

“You actually believed that Carter Page was a spy. You actually believed that the FBI opened up an investigation into the Trump campaign because a drunken George Papadopoulos said he had Hillary Clinton’s missing emails. You actually believed that Trump urinated on a Russian prostitute at a Moscow hotel. You actually believed that a teeny tiny batch of Facebook memes and Twitter posts allegedly controlled by Moscow masterminds somehow convinced voters in Michigan and Wisconsin to vote for Donald Trump.

You believed that Michael Cohen went to Prague. You believed that Russia hacked the DNC email system and fed those emails to Wikileaks. You believed that Roger Stone orchestrated the release of those emails. You believed that Sam Nunberg and Jerome Corsi and Konstantin Kilimnik had the goods on Trump.

You tuned into Joe Scarborough each morning and Rachel Maddow each night, desperate to gratify your collusion urges with their passionate rants about Trump and Putin. Ditto for Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper and Chris Cuomo. The pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post read like collusion porn every morning, teasing you and titillating you with erotic tales about secret phone calls and mysterious interpreters and raven-haired Russian lawyers.

You swooned over Adam Schiff. You suddenly believed every word of faux conservatives such as Bill Kristol and David Frum and Max Boot; people you had held in contempt prior to the 2016 election. You retweeted every post by the Krassenstein brothers, Kathy Griffin, and Alyssa Milano.

You bought prayer candles with Robert Mueller’s face etched across the glass and instead of sending Christmas cards last year, you sent everyone a weird videoof washed-up celebrities singing “We Wish You a Mueller Christmas.” You signed every petition to “Protect Robert Mueller!” and reposted every commercial that warned Congress to “Save the Special Counsel!” You worried that Russian bot accounts were trying to mess with Mueller.

You bought James Comey’s book. You bought Andrew McCabe’s book. You donated to Peter Strzok’s GoFundMe page. You urged Sally Yates to run for office. You believed that Christopher Steele was just a former British spy whose dossier was totally legit. You were bummed Rod Rosenstein didn’t wear a wire while talking to the sitting president of the United States. You were equally bummed that Paul Manafort isn’t going to die in prison.

You were the baritone in the Trump-Russia collusion quartet, harmonizing along with the news media, the Democrats and the NeverTrump Republicans: “The walls are closing in!”“Trump’s days are numbered!” “It’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when!” “His cabinet is turning on him, ready to invoke the 25th Amendment!” “He’s brooding and angry and lashing out at staff as Mueller gets closer to finding out the truth!” “Trump won’t survive the week/month/year/term!”

Details and evidence were of no concern to you.”

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    2 months ago

The sad thing is, a goodly number of these easily led left wing sheep still believe all the lies and faux fabrications. But they've got bigger things to worry about soon, as the few adults left in government will start to root out and destroy these Democrat sons of bitches, and follow the breadcrumbs all the way back to the source.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.1  CB   replied to  WallyW @1.1    2 months ago

Wait, you have lost it! First this article goes too far in its assumptions and 'grinding in it' and secondly, you have no reason to think democrats are any more "sons of bitches" than republicans who are steam-rolling through Washington, D.C. flattening everything they can imagine is not responding to their demands.

Moreover, I have a problem with Donald Trump, this man is too damn big for his 'breeches.' I, for one, am outraged at this "punching fool' who is big on do as I say and not as I do, hypocrisy.

How long America?! How long are you going to let Donald Trump play this, do as I say and not as I do, game with you? Truth is, Donald Trump puts his pants on the same as everybody else does in the morning and remove them the same too!

Stop kissing up to, "Mr. President" formalities and tell Trump this:

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.2  WallyW  replied to  CB @1.1.1    one month ago

Thank you for sharing, but your logic and reasoning appear to be flawed.

To save my sanity, I'll have to put you on ignore!

 
 
 
CB
1.1.3  CB   replied to  WallyW @1.1.2    one month ago

Whatever WallyW! What a Rush! You support a president whose connection to reality is questionable and only 'grounded' by supporters who keep him from falling below the bar, because he has to manage upwards of 9xxx lies and you have to put me on ignore? I would be concerned, except we're already mad as Heaven and we're not going to take this anymore! In 2020, yo boy Donald has gots to go!

We can't handle four more years of compulsive lies—even if the Trump 'public' is fine with all that!

Somebody can not befriend a lying president, who won't or can't stop lying and at the same time be a friend of truth.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1    2 months ago
You actually believed that Trump urinated on a Russian prostitute at a Moscow hotel.

No, it was the russian prostitutes that peed on the donald, your pres. He asked for that. Be proud and wear that as a badge of honor.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    2 months ago
No, it was the russian prostitutes that peed on the donald, your pres. He asked for that.

That's nice . Can you prove it?

 
 
 
bugsy
1.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    2 months ago
Can you prove it?

I can't believe you asked that question and actually think you are going to get a cognizant answer..

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @1.2.2    2 months ago
I can't believe you asked that question and actually think you are going to get a cognizant answer..

Oh, I didn't expect an answer, really.

I just felt compelled to call out bullshit.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.4  Jasper2529  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    one month ago
No, it was the russian prostitutes that peed on the donald, your pres. He asked for that. Be proud and wear that as a badge of honor.

You and those who voted up your comment need to read the following:

On 13 January 2017, theWorld News Daily Report (WNDR) web site built upon salaciousrumorsswirling about Donald Trump in an article claiming a Russian sex worker had revealed the President-elect has a small penis:

A 22-year sex worker named Ivana Kamensky, claims she was one of the prostitutes who had sexual intercourse with Donald Trump in Moscow in 2011, adding that the American President had the smallest penis she had ever seen.

In an interview with the Moscow Daily Herald, the young woman described in great details the night that she allegedly spent in Mr Trump’s hotel room five years ago[, claiming] she was hired by Donald Trump along with two of her friends to perform several degrading sex acts, like urinating on him and on each other.

She said that she had been shocked by the incredibly small size of his penis, and remembers laughing about it with the other two girls … She described Mr.Trump’s genitals as being the size of a grape, barely one inch (2.5cm) long when fully erect.

There was no truth to this story, which originated with theWorld News Daily Report fake news site.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-russian-poorly-endowed/

Re: World News Daily Report:

SATIRE

These sources exclusively use humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Primarily these sources are clear that they are satire and do not attempt to deceive. 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-news-daily/

It looks like you and others have two options ... truth or fiction. Your choice!

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.4    one month ago

They will believe the fiction because it feeds into their "Hate Trump" agenda.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    one month ago

I know. TDS is worse than it was in 2017.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.6    one month ago
TDS is worse than it was in 2017.

I think that the Mueller investigation is largely responsible for that.

And now that it is over, it continues to feed the hysteria that is TDS.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.4    one month ago
It looks like you and others have two options ... truth or fiction. Your choice!

For those that suffer TDS, they only choose from the following two options.   

Lies or fiction.   

There is no truth option available.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.9  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.8    one month ago
For those that suffer TDS, they only choose from the following two options.   

Lies or fiction.   

There is no truth option available.

I'm enjoying my popcorn as I sit back and watch them implode after Mueller didn't give them what they wanted.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.2.9    one month ago
I'm enjoying my popcorn as I sit back and watch them implode after Mueller didn't give them what they wanted

Enjoy the show.   This is just the preshow cartoons.  Wait until the feature movie starts.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2.11  WallyW  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    one month ago

Didn't happen. Another lie.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2.12  squiggy  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    one month ago

"No, it was the russian prostitutes that peed on the donald ..."

Aw jeez.

 
 
 
bbl-1
2  bbl-1    2 months ago

Collusion is a poor word choice for the Trump's actions with Russia, The House of Saud and Erdogan's Turkey.   Collaboration is more apt.  The Trump has sold out America to save himself. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  bbl-1 @2    2 months ago

I remember when Obama referred to people as bitter clingers.  Well Trump came through for them. No one is going to save the collusion Truther bitter clingers....

 
 
 
lib50
3  lib50    2 months ago

Lets be clear.  Until someone besides Barr or another Trump protector sees that full report, nobody knows jack about what Trump did with Russia.  A legal bar is higher to reach, and they probably found Trump so stupid they couldn't prove he realized he was being used by the Russians.  There is still a weird thing with Putin going on with Trump that needs some light.  We know he obstructed, saw that happening in front of our eyes, but Barr went to protection again.  Every day the calls to release the Mueller report get louder.  Certain congressional committees need the full report, and the everybody should get Mueller's summaries for public consumption.  Barr is not coming out of this well.  And neither is Trump.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2019/04/04/attorney-general-bill-barr-has-made-a-huge-miscalculation/?fbclid=IwAR3-5tk9Hh2LhaswSAkMA78XnL7R1Du4iIjNP4sbXC2mhks1TrncIqzybNg#6ad5ce322e78

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3    2 months ago

Been hearing how "this will get Trump" for well over 2 years now.

DO you think it will happen in our lifetimes?

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.1  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    2 months ago

Release the report, then we will know.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3.1.1    2 months ago

Yes, yes. 

All in good time.

Why so impatient NOW?

It has been two years, what's a few more weeks?

If the report doesn't crucify Trump, all of the Trump Haters will simply state that the report was flawed somehow and will find something else to whine and bitch about.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @3.1.1    2 months ago
Release the report, then we will know.

Better hold onto your panties.   There will be nothing in the report when it's released.

Once Mueller and Barr determine what must be redacted, it will be made available to Congress.  Not before.   Neither man wants to face prison time for violating federal law by divulging secret grand jury testimony.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    2 months ago
something else to whine and bitch about.

True.   Probably that they don't have enough to whine and bitch about.

Have they declared TDS a true mental health condition yet?  If not, I surely hope they would hurry.  There are multitudes that need serious mental health counseling as they simply can't cope with the knowledge that it will be President Trump until January 2025.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 months ago

Well, they can't bitch about unemployment or the economy (unless you want to listen to the endless chant of making the rich "pay their fair share" bs.

So they will invent some other crisis du jour to whine about.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.6  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    one month ago

Texan, my friend, feast now for AI and automation is coming, and will we reap a famine later? What presidents are supposed to do is set-up this nation to tackle future problems, issues, and financial opportunities. If Trump is focused on financial short-term gains (which some say is slowing down already) and he is running into some court losses to boot, then it will be a 'flash in the pan' and China will be the real AI and automation world heavyweight champs helping U.S. children pick up their 'loads.'

BTW, I can still produce video and articles of former President Obama warning this nation to look forward to the future of AI, and to get busy with new innovative industries - instead of waxing "poetic" over lost, aging, and dead (but not fallen down) modes of making a living and careers that have taken a 'bullet to the head.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.1.6    one month ago

True enough--the world is constantly changing, as it will be ever thus.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    one month ago

I need to hear Trump talk more and take action to prepare this nation to move ahead, and by extension lead the world, forward with advancements and concepts keen on future 2050 and beyond!

Is there any video or soundbites where President Trump positively mentions the AI and automation challenges ahead for a kinds of laborers and white collar (even) jobs and careers? I need to lay eyes on and read that 'memo'!  Because as we know from experience, there are serendipitous "leaps and bounds" and product spin-offs which come with new technologies and China is placing itself on the cutting-edge for a big role, major international recognition and positioning, and a big future 'pay-off' when its new tech comes of age.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  CB @3.1.8    one month ago

Trump has been pushing tech advances, 5G, AI, the space program, hardening infrastructure vs EMP from nuke or solar flare,  space force to protect or tech in space.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.3    one month ago
Once Mueller and Barr determine what must be redacted, it will be made available to Congress.  Not before.   Neither man wants to face prison time for violating federal law by divulging secret grand jury testimony.

Jerry Nadler would have agreed with you at one time. Today, his TDS won't allow him to honor and respect federal law and secret grand jury testimony. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.11  CB   replied to  XXJefferson#51 @3.1.9    one month ago

Well, in that case, that's good. Though, I have only heard about it on the periphery of all the other 'noises' coming from him. Perhaps, you can point out a few substantial treatments of these items and their value to careers for the masses and not just "pigeon-holed" industries. For example, after I commented this A.M. I heard VP Pence mentioning returning to the moon and placing a permanent space station there. I am not sure how that will benefit the masses or generate innovation 'at-large.' I remember hearing about the 5G, but it was a high-minded wish-list mention and I heard no more. Space Force may generate future planetary support careers for the masses, but we'll have to wait and see how it is rolled out, how large it is developed to be, and its hiring projections.

So if you have some substantive information on these new enterprises, share a little bit please.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1.10    one month ago
Jerry Nadler would have agreed with you at one time

They should show him his speech(es) during the Clinton impeachment era.   What he want's now is literally diametrically opposed to what he wanted then.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1.13  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.12    one month ago
They should show him his speech(es) during the Clinton impeachment era.   What he want's now is literally diametrically opposed to what he wanted then.

Oh, do you mean THIS Jerry Nadler who in 1998 believed in federal law?

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.14  WallyW  replied to  lib50 @3.1.1    one month ago
Release the report, then we will know.

When it comes up with nothing either, you still won't believe it!

Then the griping will be all about the legal and necessary redactions.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.1.15  squiggy  replied to  CB @3.1.8    one month ago

Trump move forward? I'm sure he could pick up the pace but for the hundred chihuahuas on each ankle.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
3.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson#51  replied to  CB @3.1.11    one month ago

Do you remember all the tech spin offs from the race to the moon in the 1960’s and early 70’s? It benefitted the country and the people at large a lot.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @3    one month ago
Until someone besides Barr or another Trump protector sees that full report, nobody knows jack about what Trump did with Russia.

Robert Mueller knows.  So, subpoena Mueller.  

 
 
 
WallyW
3.3  WallyW  replied to  lib50 @3    one month ago
Barr is not coming out of this well.  And neither is Trump.
They'll do just fine going forward. The public is getting totally bored with this whole Democrat clown show feeding frenzy, and will punish them at the next election.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    one month ago

People who vote for Donald Trump in 2020 need to be embarrassed of themselves for the rest of their lives. 

 
 
 
BeastOfTheEast
4.4  BeastOfTheEast  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago

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squiggy
4.5  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago

You could start the 'basket of embarrassment" campaign right now. That should help Trump win the popular vote, too.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  squiggy @4.5    one month ago

Trump cannot be rehabilitated. 

His voters can rehabilitate themselves in November of 2020. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.5.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @4.5.1    one month ago

And I suppose that "rehabilitation" would mean voting for a Democrat.  

Sorry, not getting that from me.

 
 
 
CB
5  CB     one month ago

Well, speaking of "'truthers' and things of that sort'" some billionaire somewhere should offer President Trump a 'sizeable' charitable donation to reveal those pesky tax returns. Of course, it would be a stunt meant to expose a hypocrite, because President "Mr Do As I Say, Not As I Do, Trump" will not volunteer himself to reveal anything.

It is so sad and a big disappointment when honest 'salt of the earth' good people on all sides relinquish standing up for what is wholesome—even when there were times good people got it wrong. In the Trump era, it is true that many 'good' people have decided to just swallow in in the mud and be piggish.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
5.1  tomwcraig  replied to  CB @5    one month ago

Why should he release his tax returns?  They are not required by law to be released.  If they are going to pass a law requiring him to release his tax returns, I want a law requiring all politicians to release their tax returns from before they first ran for public office to now.  How many of these politicians were poor or middle class when they first ran and then became millionaires while in office?  Those are the ones we need to see the tax returns of, not the guy that was rich before he ran.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.1  CB   replied to  tomwcraig @5.1    one month ago
11.3.4.3 (05-20-2005)

Disclosure to Committees of Congress

  1. IRC §6103(f)(1) permits disclosure of specified returns and return information to the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the Joint Committee on Taxation upon written request of the chairperson of such committee. Tax records that identify, directly or indirectly, any taxpayers may be furnished to the requesting committee only in closed executive session unless the taxpayers otherwise consent in writing to such disclosures.

  2. IRC §6103(f)(2) permits disclosure of specified returns and return information upon written request from the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation.

  3. IRC §6103(f)(3) applies to committees other than those named in §6103(f)(1). When specifically authorized by a Senate, House, or concurrent (in the case of a joint committee) resolution, the committee’s chairperson may make written request for disclosure to any authorized committee, joint committee or subcommittee thereof. Tax records may be furnished only when such committee, joint committee, or subcommittee is sitting in closed executive session unless the taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosures.

  4. IRC §6103(f)(4)(A) authorizes any of the committees described in (1) above or the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation to designate, by such Chairman or Chief of Staff, agents to whom disclosures of returns and return information may be made. The authority of IRC §6103(f)(4)(A) is exercised in conjunction with that in IRC §6103(f)(1) or IRC §6103(f)(2), as appropriate.

  5. IRC §6103(f)(5) specifically authorizes disclosures to Committees of Congress under the "whistle blower" provision. This provision allows persons having (or having had) access to taxpayer information to expressly disclose tax information to the Chairperson (or full committee sitting in closed executive session) of one of the tax writing committees listed in IRC §6103(f)(1) or their IRC §6103(f)(4) designated agent if such person believes the disclosure may relate to possible misconduct, maladministration, or taxpayer abuse.

11.3.4.3.1 (05-20-2005)

Disclosure to Committees Named in IRC §6103(f)(1)

  1. Written requests for tax information from the House Committee on Ways and Means, the Senate Committee on Finance, or the Joint Committee on Taxation under the authority of IRC §6103(f)(1) should be signed by the chairperson of the requesting committee. Requests that the tax information be furnished to designated agents, under the authority of IRC §6103(f)(4)(A), should also be signed by the chairperson of the requesting committee. A committee chairperson may also request that the IRS furnish returns and return information to a subcommittee and that subcommittee may subsequently request the designated information in connection with specifically described types of inquiries. Such requests by a subcommittee should be signed by the subcommittee chairperson. A request for tax information under IRC §6103(f)(1) or IRC §6103(f)(4)(A) must be sufficiently specific.

  2. Identifying information such as name, address, taxpayer identification number (SSN or EIN), taxable periods, kind of tax or description of documents helps the IRS promptly locate requested records. In situations where a committee is interested in a particular line of inquiry and the parameters of the inquiry are clearly set forth in the request, this information may not be needed.

  3. In order to be fully responsive, the IRS must know when and in what manner the committee wishes to receive the tax information.

  4. Under the authority of IRC §6103(f)(4)(A), any of the tax-writing committees, through their chairperson or Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, may designate its committee members or staff persons, a subcommittee or subcommittee members or staff persons, or other persons to act as its agents. For example, the tax writing committees often designate certain Government Accountability Office persons to act as agents of these committees for the purpose of conducting particular studies of IRS activities. (See IRM 11.3.23, Disclosure to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), for further information.) Telephone numbers, as well as the names of the designees, are helpful when responding to the committee’s request.

  5. If the IRS’s ability to fully and/or expeditiously respond to a request is hampered by the absence of information described in (2), (3), and (4) above, the IRS will contact the committee to ask if this information is available.

https://www.irs.gov/irm/part11/irm_11-003-004

 
 
 
tomwcraig
5.1.2  tomwcraig  replied to  CB @5.1.1    one month ago

The irony here is you are taking what is supposed to be a secret and confidential release for oversight of the IRS as if it equates to a public release of a tax return.  There is no law that Trump has to publicly release his tax return.  And, Trump has not said that the Committee on Ways and Means or Senate Finance Committee or Joint Committee on Taxation cannot see his tax returns.  He has only said that he won't release his tax returns publicly.  So, please state the law where he has to release them publicly.

And, please read the law, notice that it repeatedly states CLOSED EXECUTIVE session, which is a NON-PUBLIC session that is supposed to be kept secret from the public.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.3  CB   replied to  tomwcraig @5.1.2    one month ago

Tomcraig, the "irony" is you missed the discussion where Mr. Mulvaney ACTING WH Chief of Staff has stated on the Sunday new shows that Mr. Trump's past tax returns being requested will not go to appropriate House committee - private or public. I do not care HOW Trump 'exposes' them to the proper oversight authorities - only that he does not treat himself and allow his staff to 'carry him around' as if he is above the law! 

Trump ain't nobody when it comes to what is right under law, he should do what is expected of a leader of millions of law-abiding citizens and shut his big mouth besides. We do not want to dance with Trump and his "hatchet men and women" over every thing government needs from him. Down with "Do as I say, but not as I do," Trump!

 
 
 
tomwcraig
5.1.4  tomwcraig  replied to  CB @5.1.3    one month ago

You haven't read the law you posted still.  The Chairman of an authorized Committee has to make a request for specific tax returns in writing to the IRS and HAS TO BE in EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION to be permitted to look at the requested tax returns.  Where is this supposed statement by Mulvaney that you reference?  It is not on the comments or seeded story as of the time of this comment.  There is only your statement that such has happened.  Also, the law states that the IRS is permitted to show such tax returns to such committees but is NOT REQUIRED to do so.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.5  CB   replied to  tomwcraig @5.1.4    one month ago

f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any re-turn or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclo-sure.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleF-chap61-subchapB-sec6103.pdf


Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, signaled on Thursday that he would likely block a congressional request to obtain President Trump’s tax returns on privacy grounds, setting up a potential legal battle if Democrats follow through with plans to request those documents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/us/politics/mnuchin-donald-trump-taxes.html


President Trump’s chief of staff Mick Mulvaney declared Sunday that congressional Democrats would “never” see the president’s tax returns, a seeming rejection of House oversight authority that paralleled the growing confrontation over the contents of the Mueller report and other fights over investigations of the president’s conduct.

Leading Democrats responded to the question of whether the Internal Revenue Service should provide six years of Trump tax returns with essentially the same argument that they put forth in seeking full access to the results of the 22-month-long Russia investigation by Robert S. Mueller III: It’s not the administration’s call.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-taxes-mulvaney-says-never-20190407-story.html

 
 
 
CB
5.1.6  CB   replied to  CB @5.1.5    one month ago
The Chairman of an authorized Committee has to make a request for specific tax returns in writing to the IRS and HAS TO BE in EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION to be permitted to look at the requested tax returns. 

The request for six years of returns was formally made ICO Donald J. Trump last week. Did you miss the announcement and the 'firestorm' that has erupted in relation to it?

 
 
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