Trump’s Fed Nominee Isn’t a ‘Big Believer in Democracy’ “Capitalism is a lot more important than democracy,” Stephen Moore said in a documentary

  
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Trump’s Fed Nominee Isn’t a ‘Big Believer in Democracy’ “Capitalism is a lot more important than democracy,” Stephen Moore said in a documentary
And so I would rather have a country that’s based on, you know, a free enterprise system of property rights

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Stephen Moore, President Donald Turmp’s nominee to head up the Federal Reserve, is coming under scrutiny for controversial comments he made about democracy and capitalism in a documentary.

Moore has previously said he would get rid of numerous government agencies, including: the Departments of Labor, Energy and Commerce, as well as the IRS and the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. He has also suggested that the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Department of Education are also unnecessary. And, he’s opposed to a federal minimum wage and federal income tax.

The recently-surfaced comments from Moore about democracy come from a 2009 documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story, by Michael Moore (no relation). At the time, Stephen Moore was a Wall Street Journal columnist and editorial board member.

“Capitalism is a lot more important than democracy,” Moore said in the documentary. “I’m not even a big believer in democracy. I always say that democracy can be two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. Look, I’m in favor of people having the right to vote and things like that. But there are a lot of countries that have the right to vote that are still poor. Democracy doesn’t always lead to a good economy or even a good political system.”

But, isn’t “two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner” essentially how our economy works now? The wolves are in the White House and they are deciding how much the American working class (aka the sheep) will get.

And, as CNN’s KFile points out, Moore espoused his anti-democratic views elsewhere, saying on the Thom Hartmann Show in 2010 that Hitler was elected in a democracy and that Saudi Arabia would not be successful with a democracy. And when he was asked whether capitalism or democracy was more important, Moore said, “I think capitalism, without free market capitalism, countries don’t get rich. And so I would rather have a country that’s based on, you know, a free enterprise system of property rights and free exchange of free trade of low tax rates.”

So as long as people are “free” to make as much money as they can, let’s throw away civil rights and democracy in favor of the almighty dollar. Sounds like a true, Trumpian nominee.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 days ago
“Capitalism is a lot more important than democracy,” Moore said

This lackey's nomination is another low point in the Trump presidency*.

 
 
 
Keep America Great!
1.1  Keep America Great!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 days ago

Considering that we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic means that he is right.  Capitalism is all important to economic freedom

 
 
 
Kavika
1.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Keep America Great! @1.1    3 days ago
Considering that we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic means that he is right.  Capitalism is all important to economic freedom

Good to know that Trump wants to put someone on the Fed Board that doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic. Gotta love that extreme vetting done by Trump...LOLOLOL

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @1.1.1    3 days ago
doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic

It is s-o-o-o tiresome...

And s-o-o-o depressing to think that there are some people who imagine that there's air in that balloon.

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.1.3  Don Overton  replied to  Keep America Great! @1.1    3 days ago

I believe you should quit trying to distract

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.1.4  Don Overton  replied to  Keep America Great! @1.1    3 days ago

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected official

 
 
 
Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη
1.1.5  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Don Overton @1.1.4    3 days ago

Did you take US history? 

It's a Constitutional Republic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @1.1.4    3 days ago
The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected official

That is false.

www.reference.com › Branches of Government

A: The government of the United States of America is a constitutional federal republic. It functions as a democracy and a republic because citizens elect individuals to …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Government_of_the_United_States

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Don Overton @1.1.4    3 days ago

Don't bother, Don. Bf is in one of his "build my cred among the wingnut idiots" periods.

He's blasting out every bumper-sticker in the Conservative Creed, on the assumption the NT's Team Red will believe he actually adheres to any of this nonsense. He doesn't, any more than he adheres to any principle of any kind... but he's correct about the gullibility of Team Red.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    3 days ago
It functions as a democracy
 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.9  Jack_TX  replied to  Keep America Great! @1.1    3 days ago
Considering that we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic

You noticed that, did you?  I thought it was just me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.8    3 days ago
It functions as a democracy

I was responding to this statement:

The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected official

My answer is still correct.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Don Overton @1.1.4    3 days ago

The truly interesting thing to consider, Don, is why the right continues to beat this dead horse.

They insist that the US is not a democracy, because killing democracy is one of their objectives.

They want a patriarchal plutocracy. Killing democracy is a necessary step. A Big Lie about the US never having been a democracy is a step in that direction.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.11    3 days ago
hey insist that the US is not a democracy, because killing democracy is one of their objectives.
They want a patriarchal plutocracy. Killing democracy is a necessary step.

Patently ridiculous and false.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.13  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.8    3 days ago
It functions as a democracy

Except it doesn't, as all the lovely Hillary supporters who want the Electoral College abolished keep reminding us.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.13    3 days ago

It's very generous of you to presume that all democratic activity is perfect... but sadly it is not...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.15  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.14    2 days ago
It's very generous of you to presume that all democratic activity is perfect... but sadly it is not...

It's very generous of you to presume you know what I'm thinking....but sadly you missed it entirely.

You will notice that Americans do not actually vote for the office of president.  We vote for representatives who will vote for the office of president. 

Our country is a republic, and there are subtle but very, very important differences between our republic and a pure democracy.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.16  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.15    2 days ago
a pure democracy

Could you name a "pure democracy"? Just one?

There has never been such a thing. Your (anti-democrats') use of the term demonstrates that your real purpose is to destroy the carefully crafted, limited democracy that we have had since the Revolution, and replace it with a White-supremacist, patriarchal plutocracy.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.16    2 days ago
Could you name a "pure democracy"? Just one?

They died out millennia ago, for obvious reasons.

There has never been such a thing.

The ancient Athenians might disagree.

Your (anti-democrats') use of the term demonstrates that your real purpose is to destroy the carefully crafted, limited democracy that we have had since the Revolution, and replace it with a White-supremacist, patriarchal plutocracy.

Riiiight.  Anyone who corrects your factual errors must be a white supremacist....   That's not utterly batshit, cat-lady crazy or anything.....

What must it be like in your private little universe?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.18  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.17    2 days ago
The ancient Athenians might disagree.

Women did not vote. Slaves did not vote. There were lots of other exclusions. I think I've seen that the electorate was about 10% of the population.

Let me repeat:

Could you name a "pure democracy"? Just one?

There has never been such a thing. Your (anti-democrats') use of the term demonstrates that your real purpose is to destroy the carefully crafted, limited democracy that we have had since the Revolution, and replace it with a White-supremacist, patriarchal plutocracy.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.18    16 hours ago
Women did not vote. Slaves did not vote. There were lots of other exclusions. I think I've seen that the electorate was about 10% of the population.

The citizens voted.  On everything.  Pure democracy.   They no longer exist, for some of the very obvious (well...obvious to most people) reasons you mention.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.19    16 hours ago

Do you favor restricting the vote? Who should be allowed to vote?

Age? Sex? Color of skin? Wealth?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.21  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.8    16 hours ago
It functions as a democracy

It actually doesn't, and does at the same time !

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.20    16 hours ago
Do you favor restricting the vote? Who should be allowed to vote? Age? Sex? Color of skin? Wealth?

US Citizens, over 18.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.20    16 hours ago
Do you favor restricting the vote? Who should be allowed to vote?

I think based on his comments, he wants all citizens to vote. Now who's allowed to be a citizen, that's up for debate apparently. He apparently thinks "pure democracy" is 10% of the countries populace, who are the only ones considered "citizens", controlling 100% of the decisions.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.24  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.23    16 hours ago
I think based on his comments, he wants all citizens to vote.

That was obvious to everyone except Bob, so well done.

Now who's allowed to be a citizen, that's up for debate apparently.

Do you have a problem with the Constitutional definition?  

He apparently thinks of "pure democracy" is 10% of the countries populace, who are the only ones considered "citizens", controlling 100% of the decisions.

*eyeroll*  Don't guess at what I think.  You're terrible at it.

In Athens, the citizens voted on every item.  There were no representatives.  Every single piece of legislation was voted upon by all the citizens.

In the US, the citizens don't even vote on the office of president.  

Do you see the difference?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.25  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.22    16 hours ago

That's far more democratic than Athens...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.26  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.24    16 hours ago
Do you see the difference?

Yes. Athens was a "direct" democracy, the US is an "indirect" democracy.

Neither case is "pure". There has never been a "pure" democracy.

Anti-democrats - those who wish to replace the current system with a far narrower electorate - use this non-existent, never-existed  "pure democracy" strawman, since they can say whatever they wish about it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.27  Jack_TX  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.26    13 hours ago
There has never been a "pure" democracy.

I'm sure you don't believe there has never been a "true Scotsman", either.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.28  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.27    9 hours ago
There has never been a "pure" democracy.
I'm sure you don't believe there has never been a "true Scotsman", either.

The fact that you cannot cite a single "pure democracy" in all of history kinda sorta proves my point.

No true Scotsman would make such an error.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2  Bob Nelson    4 days ago

Moore is a hack. No serious economist gives him any credit at all.

Therefore he is ideally qualified to be a Trump nominee to the Fed.....

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    4 days ago
Moore is a hack. No serious economist gives him any credit at all.

So, like Krugman, eh?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    3 days ago

Obviously not.

All serious economists recognize Krugman as one of the best. Some folks, who know nothing about economics or economists, think they make themselves cool by attacking Krugman. That says far more about them than about Krugman.

Moore, OTOH, is recognized by... no one.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.1    3 days ago

Hmm.

Me, I would rather go with someone who didn't wrongly predict the fall of the economy under Trump.

To each their own.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    3 days ago

Do you really believe that, or are you repeating crap you know to be false?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    3 days ago
Do you really believe that, or are you repeating crap you know to be false?

False? LOL!

https://dailycaller.com/2016/11/09/paul-krugman-says-markets-will...

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/krugman-trump-global.

https://www.nytimes.com/.../paul-krugman-the-economic-fallout

Now, you are perfectly free to disbelieve what Krugman actually predicted, but it is out there for anyone with even a modicum of curiosity to look up and verify--for themselves-- instead of merely shouting FALSE!!!!!!!!!

I have cheerfully provided some sources for you!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.4    3 days ago

... and you have ignored everything he has said since...

Anyone can be wrong, particularly when brutally disappointed. Krugman has since repeatedly said he lost it that night. If you wish, you can continue to live one one night in 2016.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.5    3 days ago
If you wish, you can continue to live one one night in 2016.

It seems that the left has never been able to forget and let go of that night in 2016

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.5    3 days ago
Anyone can be wrong, particularly when brutally disappointed.

Grown-ass adults usually can control their emotions better than that. Besides, don't economists deal in numbers?  Nothing emotional about mere numbers.

Krugman has since repeatedly said he lost it that night.

What the hell else could he say after being proven so, so wrong?

If you wish, you can continue to live one one night in 2016.

Seems more like those on the left keep reliving that fateful night when their dreams were shattered.

Krugman has a long and fantastic record of being wildly wrong in his "predictions".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 days ago
Krugman has a long and fantastic record of being wildly wrong in his "predictions".

I realize that this is part of the Conservative Creed, but it is not true. The only case you cite is one that he walked back immediately, and repeatedly since.

I know of several others - that's the advantage of actually reading what he writes rather than what small minds write about him. In every case, he has recognized his mistake and presented an explanation. If you read economics, you know how rare that is.

Do you read any economics? Who are your favorite economists?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.8    3 days ago
I realize that this is part of the Conservative Creed, but it is not true. The only case you cite is one that he walked back immediately, and repeatedly since.
I know of several others - that's the advantage of actually reading what he writes rather than what small minds write about him. In every case, he has recognized his mistake and presented an explanation. If you read economics, you know how rare that is.

There's plenty more. Of course, one has to actually choose to look at them.

https://mises.org/library/fact-checking-paul-krugmans-claim-be..

The internet would peak and by 2005 would be a distant memory like Fax Machines. (You see how that turned out)
President Obama’s stimulus would create 4% growth (1.7% in fact).
The economy would crash when Trump took office (looks like the first year will be 3% compared to less than 2% average under Obama)
Austerity measures taken up under President Clinton and the Republican Congress would cause a recession (In fact they had more than 4% growth every year after austerity measures started, something that hasn’t been matched since)
Austerity measures in Germany would cause a recession (In fact Germany’s economic growth increased and their unemployment rate went down.
0% rate policy would bring nations a good economy. Europe, the US and Japan ran 0% or close to it for some time yes still stagnated.

Please do share when Krugman admits he blew it in those election-day predictions.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    3 days ago

Your link doesn't work.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.10    3 days ago
Your link doesn't work.

Simply Google it yourself if the link doesn't work.

And when, again, did Krugman admit his predictions made at election time were wrong?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.10    3 days ago
Your link doesn't work.

I clicked on the link. Then in the upper right hand corner of the page it took me to, I typed "Krugman Predictions".

Voila!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    3 days ago

I take it that you haven't actually read your own "evidence"...  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

And of course, you have no sources for the laundry list that makes up the second half of your post. (The single-spacing makes me think you copy/pasted it in from... somewhere... jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif )

OK, I get it... Attacking Krugman is an item in the Conservative Creed. So you must do it. But frankly... it's embarrassing...

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.13    3 days ago

Take what you want. You said my link didn't work, so I checked it myself, then told you how to access it.

Not my fault you didn't do it or didn't know what you were reading.

And where again is even an attempt to provide ONE link about what you claimed--that Krugman immediately admitted his mistakes on election night?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    3 days ago

The link you should have presented is: https://mises.org/library/fact-checking-paul-krugmans-claim-be-right-about-everything

It's a poorly executed hatchet job.

As for Krugman recognizing that he lost it on election night, there have been lots. You'll notice that no serious economist, regardless of how conservative they may be, ever mentions election night.

oh, wait... that would mean that you actually follow economics... my bad...

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.15    2 days ago
The link you should have presented is: https://mises.org/library/fact-checking-paul-krugmans-claim-be-right-about-everything

Duly noted.

It's a poorly executed hatchet job.

Are you simply denying that Krugman has made many wrong predictions?

As for Krugman recognizing that he lost it on election night, there have been lots. You'll notice that no serious economist, regardless of how conservative they may be, ever mentions election night.

Man, all that time haranguing me for my link, and you still refuse to back your claim u p with anything at all.

Hypocrisy much?

oh, wait... that would mean that you actually follow economics... my bad...

I know a special place to put that.

jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.16    2 days ago
Man, all that time haranguing me for my link, and you still refuse to back your claim u p with anything at all. Hypocrisy much?

There's a big difference. I know what I'm talking about. I wanted to see if you do. And the answer is, "No you don't".

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.17    2 days ago

Gotta love that link, Bob!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.18    2 days ago

I'm not trying to educate you. I don't care if you remain ignorant.

I'm interested in learning, from anyone who can give me newer, better information. That does not seem to be the case, here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.19    2 days ago
I'm not trying to educate you.

Good. No one asked you to.

I'm interested in learning, from anyone who can give me newer, better information. That does not seem to be the case, here.

Then perhaps you can start by learning that someone asking for a link from you to support something you claim is what typically goes on here.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.20    2 days ago
... what typically goes on here.

... to no useful purpose, 99% of the time.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.21    2 days ago
to no useful purpose, 99% of the time.

Awful hard to judge that when no link is provided, as in your case.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    2 days ago

Pity 'bout that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.23    2 days ago
Pity 'bout that.

Not really, I have become accustomed to it by now.

It isn't like it is a surprise or anything any more when folks don't back their wild claims up.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.25  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.24    2 days ago

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Tessylo
2.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.3    2 days ago
'Do you really believe that, or are you repeating crap you know to be false?'
The latter

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.17    2 days ago
'There's a big difference. I know what I'm talking about. I wanted to see if you do. And the answer is, "No you don't".'jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

That's no surprise!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    4 days ago

Isn't capitalism without democracy fascism? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    3 days ago

That's seems like a pretty good definition.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.1    3 days ago

For the illiterate. Sure

 
 
 
Keep America Great!
2.2.3  Keep America Great!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    3 days ago

No, fascism hated capitalism as much as their communist cousins do.  Fascism is another form of socialism.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    3 days ago

I think it's corporatism

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.2.5  Don Overton  replied to  Keep America Great! @2.2.3    3 days ago
Fascism is another form of socialism

another fable

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @2.2.5    3 days ago
another fable

Is Fascism a form of socialism?
Fascism is a form of socialism. The best example of Fascism was Nazi Germany. Fascism is the public ownership of all property except in name. It allows citizens to pretend that they own property, but they must use it in accordance with the wishes of the state.
Reference: www.reddit.com/r/badpolitics/comments/4nv4wh/fascism_is_a_form_of_socialism_oh_how_did_i/

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    3 days ago
Fascism is the public ownership of all property except in name.

Make a list of German corporations, before the dot-com period. Look at their activity during the Nazi era. Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen, BASF, Bayer, Krups, Messerschmitt,  ...

Capitalism gets along very well with fascism. There's no need for even a pretence of human rights.

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.8  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    2 days ago

Hitler used socialism to facilitate fascism.   History helps context.    It would also help those conservatives who want to equate nationalism with patriotism. 

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.9  Ender  replied to  lib50 @2.2.8    2 days ago
equate nationalism with patriotism

Some will never understand the difference.

 
 
 
Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη
2.2.11  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.7    16 hours ago
Capitalism gets along very well with fascism.

Actually history proves fascism is what occurs ever time a Marxist takes power. That's why it's so entertaining to see a band of unicorn Marxists marching around waiving an Antifa flag. Every single attempt to achieve Marx's goals resulted in Fascism.

Talk about a failed Ideology, it takes the cake.

Marxism=Fascism and history agrees with my statement.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη @2.2.11    16 hours ago

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Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη
2.2.13  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.12    16 hours ago

I accept your unconditional debate surrender as usual. It's impossible to debate the merits of Marxism. There are none.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.2.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη @2.2.13    15 hours ago

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MrFrost
2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    3 days ago

He will either get fired or quit before trumps term is up anyway. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
3  bbl-1    3 days ago

Look here.  Moore being placed into The Fed?  Really? 

For conservatism he is perfect.  Except neither he nor they will honestly admit that capitalism is the new 'cino'.   Seeing as how capitalism is dead--murdered by Supply Side Economics. 

 
 
 
JBB
4  JBB    3 days ago

Moore is not a serious pick. Aren't there any Big R Republicans left in America?

Steven Moore is a joke and not to be taken seriously. Moore is unacceptable...

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.1  bbl-1  replied to  JBB @4    3 days ago

A joke?  Really? 

"I'm like a really smart guy," DJT.  There it is.  There you have it.

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     3 days ago

Could you imagine nominating someone like Herman Cain to go along with Moore on the Fed...Wait, what Trump did.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @5    3 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

Is your problem with Cain his color?

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.1  Kavika   replied to  MUVA @5.1    3 days ago
Is your problem with Cain his color?

Are you kidding MUVA...Why would it be his color? That was one stupid fucking comment...

You do realize that Trump wants to nominate him to the Fed, but enough republicans have come out against his appointment to kill it. You might want to ask them if it's because of his color. 

 
 
 
CometRider
5.1.2  CometRider  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    3 days ago
That was one stupid fucking comment...

It was a legitimate question seeing every one opposed to Obama was so only because of his color, Right? 

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.3  Kavika   replied to  CometRider @5.1.2    3 days ago
It was a legitimate question seeing every one opposed to Obama was so only because of his color, Right? 

I have no idea why everyone was opposed to Obama, he isn't the subject of this article nor has he been nominated to the Fed. 

BTW, since MUVA knows that I'm not a white man the question is even more ridicules. Since I would enjoying seeing a person of color on the Fed it get's even more ridicules. 

There you go CometRider...BTW the squirrel went that a way  -----> 

 
 
 
CometRider
5.1.4  CometRider  replied to  Kavika @5.1.3    3 days ago

<.............

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @5.1.1    2 days ago
'That was one stupid fucking comment...'

One of multitudes - like the turd in chief.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.1    2 days ago

My problem with Cain is he's a moron.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    2 days ago
My problem with Cain is he's a moron.  

Your problem with Cain is he's a Republican. 

He could adopt Barack Obama's beliefs word for word and you'd still bitch because you never look past red vs. blue.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.7    2 days ago

So you're a mind reader then?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.9  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    2 days ago

Herman Cain is a man that has had  full black experience in this country something you know nothing about he is really down with struggle  not pretending like some with liberals.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
5.1.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    2 days ago
So you're a mind reader then?

Trend reader.  I can draw conclusions from mountains of consistent evidence.  

In this case it's not difficult.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
5.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  MUVA @5.1.9    2 days ago
Herman Cain is a man that has had full black experience in this country something you know nothing about he is really down with struggle not pretending like some with liberals.

That may be. But nothing in his background qualifies him for the Fed.

 
 
 
bbl-1
5.1.12  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    yesterday

"A moron?"  You are too kind.  Quit soft footing.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6  The Magic Eight Ball    3 days ago

capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system out there.

although not an economic system, democracy still cant make that claim either.

  • democracy combined with socialism destroys countries like venezuela.  just a recent example. it always ends the same.
  • democracy combined with capitalism has produced the most powerful country on the planet.

it is capitalism which is the defining + factor above, democracy is just the common factor. that gives people the power to make good choices like capitalism, or bad choices, like socialism

 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
6.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6    3 days ago

[delete]

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1    3 days ago

deleted for context, by charger383

 
 
 
Don Overton
6.2  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6    3 days ago

Again please try to provide some factual linkls

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Don Overton @6.2    3 days ago
Again please try to provide some factual linkls

I am the source. 

https://thenewstalkers.com/surfs-up

and all of history backs me up on this one.

so, it is you who will need links to back your arguments against.

or just call me stupid and move along...

matters not which you choose.

cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.2.1    2 days ago

Stupid.  

History doesn't back you up on anything 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
7  Trout Giggles    3 days ago

Ok, so the guy that gets picked for The Fed doesn't like democracy. Got it.

But his compadres better watch their backs (Dr Carson, Betsy DeVos)

And if he hates democracy so much, why not dissolve The Fed, too? I thought conservatives didn't like the Federal Reserve?

 
 
 
Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη
8  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη    3 days ago

Capitalism is more important!

It is the foundation that free people stand on. BTW we aren't a democracy and we never have been. It's a Republic if we can keep it! 

Looks like we need to start teaching US history again.....

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Badfish Hαηd ⊕Ƒ †Hε Ωuεεη @8    3 days ago
It's a Republic if we can keep it! 

as long as the bill of rights remains intact, we have all the tools required to push off any bullshit from our federal govt.

the left thinks they can just do this by mere legislation alone. which is actually true enough at the state level. but at the federal level, trying to demand all states go socialist will go thru the courts and then if all else fails, states will break away and governors will call up the militias. every state will not change their economic system just because the left gets a new president... LOL  its just a leftwing pipe dream. 

the individual states are democracies.  the USA aka "federal govt" is the republic. and cannot tell states what economic system to use... the feds simply lack the power to do that.

but again, state govt's can give their citizens checks every month no problem as long as they do not come looking for federal money to bail them out. all they will get from the feds is austerity and receivership.

doesn't alaska give a yearly check to its citizens? do they still do that?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1    3 days ago

part of the above got chopped off by an edit. but... nuff said :)

 
 
 
Don Overton
8.1.2  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1    3 days ago

link the source

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @8.1.2    3 days ago

look it up yourself.

People aren't obligated to do your research for you.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Don Overton @8.1.2    3 days ago

link the source

I aced civics back when one had to actually learn the constitution and what the bill of rights is for.
which is just one reason why I am immune to today's liberal bs. 
predicting conservative judges and justices decisions before they hear a case is easy for me.
still batting 1000 here.  
civil wars DO NOT start by the likes of antifa or some rightwing militia.
read a history book: you will find all actual civil wars start in the courts.
if no relief is found? all hell breaks loose.
so when the left is ready to die for socialism?  let us know.
 
cheers :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.4    2 days ago

Linking back to your own page doesn't mean a fucking thing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.4    2 days ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.5    yesterday

I am the source of those words and my words stand on their own.

the fact you can not reply to the message and can only attack the messenger means, as always,  you have absolutely nothing except hate.

and I thank you. your hate means a lot to me... LOL

cheers :)

 
 
 
Ender
9  Ender    3 days ago

trump continually puts people in positions that have been on record as wanting these agencies terminated.

This guy sounds like a Libertarian wet dream.

Of course he want the consumer protection bureau dissolved. As long as the wealthy can keep amassing money and screw over the little guy.

No federal income tax? One good thing from that is we wouldn't have to pay our fat cat officials.

What is ironic is that the right continually says the left wants to transform the US yet they continually back people that have been on record wanting to do just that.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @9    3 days ago

I bet that makes you angry.

 
 
 
Don Overton
9.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    3 days ago

I bet you drink it all

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.2  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    3 days ago

Angry?  No. Then again, I am not from the party that lives in fear of the evil socialist boogie man that seems to lurk around every corner.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
10  Colour Me Free    2 days ago

I see that there is a disagreement on Republic v Democracy .. this is the differences as describe by a professor I had 30ish years ago ..

The United States is a Constitutional Republic and functions as a republic, by recognizing individuals rights (each individual has a voice) .. however, there are those that desire to replace the rights of the individual with the 'rule of the majority' .. these are the ones calling the United States a Democracy, desiring to ensure the individuals in the minority have neither the voice, nor the rights to refuse the majority ruling …

Doing away with the electoral college is an example of eliminating the minority voice, thus allowing the 'majority' to make the decisions .. eventually leading to dictatorial rule (?) .. 

In a Republic the individual has god given rights of freedom, life and liberty, as written in the Preamble to the Constitution … a democracy has only government granted 'civil rights' .. so yes, the United States has both, the Republic through common law and the Democracy through statutory law.. but the individual is represented by a Republic .. not a Democracy.

...

Here's to hoping that the United States remains a Republic so the minority's voices will still be heard in this great Nation... not drummed out by majority rule...

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

Thomas Jefferson, 1816.
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Colour Me Free @10    2 days ago

Oh, crap. I referenced your comment in another seed.

I really need a vacation

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
10.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1    yesterday

Time for a road trip? : )

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Colour Me Free @10    2 days ago
this is the differences as describe by a professor I had 30ish years ago ..

What school?

It needs to lose its accreditation.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
10.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2    2 days ago

that was uncalled for, Bob

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.1    2 days ago
that was uncalled for, Bob

boy, we really want to milktoast all the comments here don't we? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2.2    2 days ago

I think she was joking, John.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
10.2.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  Bob Nelson @10.2    yesterday

HA! ..  such wisdom coming from the individual that says the United States functions as a Democracy ….

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
10.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Colour Me Free @10.2.4    yesterday

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JohnRussell
10.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Colour Me Free @10    2 days ago

You, and a lot of these other comments are going much too far into the weeds to try and pull Moore out of the fire. 

Moore's point is not that the US is a republic, it is that capitalism is more important than what the "people" may want. In other words if in a democratic vote the public decided that it wanted to change, remodel , or end capitalism, to Moore that would be the horror of horrors. To him capitalism is more important than the right of the public to choose their political and economic systems. 

If we had a king (say, Trump) to Moore that would be fine as long as capitalism is not touched. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
10.3.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  JohnRussell @10.3    yesterday

I am not making any attempt to 'pull Moore out of the weeds' …… I simply stated that the US is not a democracy .. and does not function as one because the majority does not rule.  But you and those others that comment claiming the US is a Democracy need some help with understanding definitions - just cause one repeats Democracy enough times .. does not make it true..

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @10.3    yesterday
Moore's point is not that the US is a republic, it is that capitalism is more important than what the "people" may want. In other words if in a democratic vote the public decided that it wanted to change, remodel , or end capitalism, to Moore that would be the horror of horrors. To him capitalism is more important than the right of the public to choose their political and economic systems.
If we had a king (say, Trump) to Moore that would be fine as long as capitalism is not touched.

There are societies with monarchs who are capitalists.

 
 
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