We Shouldn’t Disgrace Ourselves

this is not about supporting Joe Biden. But the claims that Giuliani and Trump are making aren’t just driven by blackmail or abuses of government power. They’re ridiculous on their face. This has all been scrutinized. Not only is there no evidence. The timeline doesn’t even add up.

TPM is a far left progressive website, so this article is just more left wing lies and propaganda.

The Bidens' actions in Ukraine need to be thoroughly investigated

The Bidens' actions in Ukraine need to be thoroughly investigated

=================================================================================== This really is no different from claims that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster or Barack Obama was born in Kenya, though obviously there’s a racist component to the latter canard. In terms of being in touch with reality or not, it’s no different. 

TPM is a far left progressive website, so this article is just more left wing lies and propaganda.

I doubt if you even know what the controversy is about. 

You are a comedian, lol. 

The quote is from the seeded article, so obviously there is a source attached and available. 

I give my own opinion about many things, including this. Trump should be impeached for it, and all the other crap he pulls on a daily basis. 

We do know that Vince Foster did not commit suicide.

We do know that Obama himself, not his publicist, claimed to have been born in Kenya.

We do know that Biden and son meddled in the affairs of Ukraine.

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We do know that Vince Foster did not commit suicide. We do know that Obama himself, not his publicist, claimed to have been born in Kenya.

I doubt if you even know what the controversy is about. 

I seem to know more about than you do. Try harder to keep up and quit quoting snark.

Well, some opinions are based on truth and some are based on bamboozling. I think we all know which one Trumps opinions are based on. 

Aren't you trying to bamboozle we Trumpers?

Multiple times a day?

WTF?  Vince Foster DID commit suicide, perhaps you should post your 'proof'. 

Obama NEVER claimed to be born in Kenya, wtf was that snopes link about. 

“You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.” 

Now I'd love a reaction to Trump trying to strong arm the new leader of Ukraine into investigating Biden.  Can dems ask our allies to get dirt on Trump?   Can we dig deeper into the Trump spawn's shady dealings along with this?  Do you care about Trump's misdeeds and lies?   If so, why do you continue to defend and pretend he doesn't?

Greg, you are a birther. That in itself will cause reasonable people to question what you "know". 

I have never claimed to be a birther, I just question Obama's nativity story and who his real father was.

The publicist originally wrote it as he submitted the copy to her. Of course it was cleaned up later for public consumption.

Obama's history is very murky and dirty, and it had nothing to do with his race, but the people he associated with.

Trump has already done that.

Now I'd love a reaction to Trump trying to strong arm the new leader of Ukraine into investigating Biden.

Same reaction to Biden strong arming Ukraine. Oh wait, that doesn't count does it. He has the all important D behind his name.

Can dems ask our allies to get dirt on Trump?

The Obama administration already did that with Ukraine, or has the left already forgotten?

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Can we dig deeper into the Trump spawn's shady dealings along with this?

Remember the Mueller investigation into all things Trump including his family, businesses, and everyone even remotely associated with him? Enough said.

Do you care about Trump's misdeeds and lies? 

Obviously no more than the left does about anyone on the lefts' misdeeds and lies.

Ukraine has been a pawn for both parties; with the tax payers footing the bill on the payoffs.

Joe Biden withheld, or threatened to withhold aid to Ukraine over corruption among holdovers from the previous Russia backed regime and their AG's "reluctance" to investigate the oligarchs and their cronies even in the AG's own office.

President Trump, just admitted at the UN, this morning, that he too withheld $400 million in military aid to Ukraine because of corruption.

Trump, in remarks to reporters at the United Nations on Tuesday, confirmed that he held up the aid but said he did so to fight corruption

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LOL -

The democrat party has been a disgrace toAmerica since around 1968.  

The R party has been also but have taken it to a new height over the past few years.

Is the Possibility that Ol' Joe extorted a government for his son's benefit, not more worrisome to you ?

What does Hunter Biden know about exploration, production, processing, transportation, and final sale of hydrocarbons’ anyway ?

Hunter Biden probably used his name to get a position on the board of a Ukranian company, and was very well paid.  This appears to represent a conflict of interest for his father, who was vice president of the United States at the time. 

Joe Biden sought to have a corrupt prosecutor in Ukraine removed , AS PART OF HIS DUTIES AS VICE PRESIDENT. 

Viktor Shokin had much bigger issues than the corruption case against Mykola Zlochevsky. Almost immediately after he was appointed, he started to cause almost irreparable harm to Ukraine’s legal system.

For starters, he failed to prosecute any prominent members of the Yanukovych regime or anybody in the current government. He constantly blocked reform to Ukraine’s broken legal system. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution which the European Union had asked Ukraine to do for years.

The law aimed to reduce to role of prosecutors who “were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine” according to Atlantic Council . It also called for a reevaluation of all prosecutors in order to weed out the more corrupt and incompetent ones. Shokin manipulated the process so that the old system mostly remained the same and minimal, ineffective changes were implemented.

He was the largest obstacle to judicial reform in Ukraine. It wasn’t just Joe Biden calling for his ouster, it was the United States government and the European Union.

Steven Pifer, a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton, told Politifact that “”virtually everyone” he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine “felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office.””

The European Union also called for him to be fired and celebrated his removal. “This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine, in a statement at the time.

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When Joe Biden called for the firing of the prosecutor it wasnt because of his son , it was because it was the stated position of the US government and the European Union. The prosecutor was corrupt related to other cases and the US did not want to give more money to a country with a corrupt judiciary. 

One can say that Biden was the wrong person to bring that message, as he had a son involved in Ukranian business at the time. 

But this is hardly a scandal that a jackass like Trump should be trying to make into a mountain. And even if it were to be a "mountain" , Trump asked a foreign government to meddle in our election, and used his personal attorney Giuliani as part of the scheme. Giuliani is not a US government official, he is a private Trump lackey.  What the hell is he doing trying to get Ukraine to effect our election?

Joe Biden sought to have a corrupt prosecutor in Ukraine removed , AS PART OF HIS DUTIES AS VICE PRESIDENT. 

Meddling and interfering in the internal affairs of another country is certainly not one of his duties as VP.

And once again....Trump did not ask Russia to meddle in our election, and any meddling Russia did on her own had no impact on the results.

Meddling and interfering in the internal affairs of another country is certainly not one of his duties as VP. And once again....Trump did not ask Russia to meddle in our election, and any meddling Russia did on her own had no impact on the results.

[Deleted]   TRUMP ABSOLUTELY DID ASK RUSSIA TO HELP HIM IN THE ELECTION.  And enough of this fake concern about Biden.   Trump is currently doing worse and you pretend he isn't and defend when you can't deny.   But stop the LIE that Trump isn't working with Russia, we can still see and hear it with our own fucking eyes and ears.

You're making stuff up as usual. You can't cite one credible instance of Trump asking Russia for help.

That remark about the 30.000 emails was a joke intended to mock Hillary.

However, the Russians did indeed hack the emails that were on that server, which she thought she had deleted.

 Why, do you think, the American government was urging the Ukranians to investigate Paul Manafort in 2016?  Might it possibly have something to do with the 2016 election?

But that’s different.  It’s ok when Obama and Democrats do it. 

It is not okay for either side to do it.  It is also not okay to let it go on simply because the other guy did it first.