Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

  
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Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

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KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member   Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials .

Derkach   publicized documents   which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

"According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.

"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.

"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired'," Derkach said.

The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.

After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.

"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.

"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.

It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.

Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.

He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.

Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.

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†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 weeks ago

Looks like Joe got caught groping bags of cash.

384

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @1    2 weeks ago
Looks like Joe got caught groping bags of cash.

Wait.  Are you actually accusing Biden of violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution?  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    2 weeks ago
Wait.  Are you actually accusing Biden of violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution?

Where ? jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Where ?

Aren't you claiming he received $900,000 from Burisma while in office?  Otherwise, he is a private citizen and what would be the point of posting the story?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
Aren't you claiming he received $900,000 from Burisma while in office? 

"I" claimed NOTHING. The "Seeded" Article did it ! jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

"Dense" just became the norm !

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
"I" claimed NOTHING. The "Seeded" Article did it !

So what do you think the point was for posting the article?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
So what do you think the point was for posting the article?

ummmmm…. "Political" Dinosaurs are still capable of Breeding Corruption ?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
ummmmm…. "Political" Dinosaurs are still capable of Breeding Corruption ?

Again, what corruption?  Are you saying that, as a private citizen, he is not allowed to make money?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.6    2 weeks ago
Are you saying that, as a private citizen, he is not allowed to make money?

5th visit - December 7/8, 2015 ?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.7    2 weeks ago
5th visit - December 7/8, 2015 ?

So?  You wanted him locked in the White House?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.8    2 weeks ago
You wanted him locked in the White House?

A Private Citizen ?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @1    2 weeks ago

"Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials "

"Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden."

So they go from outright claiming "Joe Biden received $900,000" to "$900,000" "transferred to" "U.S. based company Rosemont Seneca Partners" "which" "is affiliated with Biden". So they are admitting they have exactly zero evidence that Joe Biden received $900,000 for anything, let alone something improper or illegal. I guess your "I know nothing!" meme truly does depict the loyal Trump army of ignoramuses that are trying their best to smear anyone who dare mock their naked Emperor.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2    2 weeks ago

Anything to change the subject of the one truly making money illegally off his position, as well as his sons and daughter.

 
 
 
Ender
1.2.2  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2    2 weeks ago

It's all they have.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2  It Is ME    2 weeks ago

"Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP"

Not "Prudent" at this time ! jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

The "Left" can only concentrate on one "issue" at a time. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Did you know the "Left" still hasn't figured out they actually have more fingers than the middle finger yet ? jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

And don't ask them about the "Thumb". It will really confuse the hell outa them. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bbl-1
3  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

Why wasn't Hunter Biden paid as much as Manafort?  Bargain basement lobbyist, Hunter Biden?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  bbl-1 @3    2 weeks ago

Hey look over there, a giraffe is humping a donkey!

384

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3.1    2 weeks ago

Answer the question.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.1.2  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Answer your deflection?

Pass.

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Deflection?  Answer the effen question.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
Deflection?  Answer the effen question.

jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

Manafort has more knowledge and experience in his big toe than Hunter Biden in his whole being?.And they paid him enough to keep him busy all the while his father (you know, the VPOTUS at the time) can look on and say "good job son".

 
 
 
loki12
3.1.6  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

And send them a billion in aid,  Great deal if you can get it, like Solyndra getting half a billion for a campaign donation to Obama. That's an awesome ROI.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.7  Ender  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

This whole piece is nothing but deflection.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
This whole piece is nothing but deflection.

From what ?

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

From their reality. They exist in their own world at this point. Trump is the center of their universe; and they want it to end.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.10  It Is ME  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.9    2 weeks ago
They exist in their own world at this point.

Socialist "Fire and Brimstone" !

"We're all gonna die unless you go "Green", impeach Trump and Relinquish ALL your earned "Profits" to the others" ! 

"YOU WILL COMPLY" !

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.1.11  bbl-1  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Oh but of course.  And that is why he is serving seven years in federal prison and awaiting state charges of tax evasion, bank fraud, insurance fraud, money laundering and illegal foreign money transfers among a couple of other things.  Yeah, for sure---he's as sharp as a marble.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    2 weeks ago

So where is the illegal part? Hunter worked for a private company, they could have paid him trillions of dollars and there is still nothing wrong with it. If making money in other countries was a crime, all of trumps kids would be in prison right now. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @4    2 weeks ago
So where is the illegal part?

Still waiting for someone to actually do an honest report on it.

All we have so far from the media is ….."Pishposh, But Trump" ! jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    2 weeks ago

So you don't know where the illegal part is either. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
So you don't know where the illegal part is either. 

Are you just "Essencing like Schifty" too....or just letting us know you've been given NO Info on this, yet you'll defend anyway ?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.2  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  MrFrost @4    2 weeks ago

If Joe Biden never talked business with the son whom he got the job for with no experience for $50,000 a month then why is Joe Biden being paid by the company as a consultant?

Riddle us that MrFrost?

 
 
 
loki12
5  loki12    2 weeks ago

Politics is a great Gig, legalized prostitution. If the BMW that Kamala got from Willie Brown wasn't worth 900,000 she sold herself short. 

256

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

How about our President having a conflict of interest with Turkey? Hey, go in an invade Syria and thanks for that Trump Hotel! Ching Ching.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 weeks ago
Hey, go in an invade Syria

I swear there is more than "One" country on this planet ! 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.1.1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    2 weeks ago

Hey look, but he did that over there......

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Hey look, double standard.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    2 weeks ago
Hey look, double standard.

Hey look....two different subjects !

One "IS" the "Topic" of the "Seed"....one "ISN'T" !

Can you guess which is which ?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.1.4  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

What is that? An article is seeded about Joe and We are calling out deflections?

Syria? Turkey? What does that have to do with the article?

Squirrel hunting.....

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    2 weeks ago
'Hey look, double standard.'

Surely you fucking jest.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.1.4    2 weeks ago

I am talking about our President having a hotel in Turkey. You don't think that he might have made some decisions over his own self interests?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.1.7  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

No where in the article is that mention. Let's stick to the actual topic please.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.6    2 weeks ago
I am talking about our President having a hotel in Turkey. You don't think that he might have made some decisions over his own self interests?

Off Topic ?

CoC #4. Stay on topic per the article

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.8    2 weeks ago

Look who's talking about off topic.

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It Is ME
6.1.10  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
Look who's talking about off topic.

I have just read that Joe got bucks from Ukraine Lobbying.

your thoughts ?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.1.11  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.10    2 weeks ago

Hey look a Giraffe over there!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.1.7    2 weeks ago

But the topic is about what may or may not be questionable ethics.. and I am just showing a comparison. That is very much on topic. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.1.11    2 weeks ago
Hey look a Giraffe over there!

256

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.12    2 weeks ago
But the topic is about what may or may not be questionable ethics.. and I am just showing a comparison. That is very much on topic.

I've noted the same thing.....but get things like this:

Deleted Off Topic (per author/seeder) [Perrie Halpern R.A.] 

Goose Gander thing I'd say !

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.15  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.5    2 weeks ago
Surely you fucking jest. 

Sex has nothing to do with this seeded article.

maybe jest didn't want their name put out there. did you think of that ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.14    2 weeks ago

I'm not going to meta on BF's article.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.17  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.16    2 weeks ago
I'm not going to meta on BF's article.

Okay.

I'm just doing a comparing thing to the comment I was responding to....which was the Topic at that time line.

 
 
 
loki12
6.2  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    2 weeks ago

Because raising the chances of a terrorist attack against your property is so good for business. (s) 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @6.2    2 weeks ago

Loki what are you talking about?

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.2  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.1    2 weeks ago

Really? So you don't think the kurds, who are a terrorist organization in turkeys eyes will feel betrayed? and exact revenge on both Turkey and any trump property in turkey they can get to?  Who is going to stay there knowing its a target?   But Cha-Ching right? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  loki12 @6.2    2 weeks ago

What amazes me is the fact that some people think that a 5% loss in worldwide Trump properties is the real reason he is doing this. 1 hotel. I don't think so.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @6.2.2    2 weeks ago

Again, what are you talking about? The Kurds are not attacking Trump Towers in Turkey. They are our allies in Syria watching our ISIS prisoners and dying for our interests. The PKK has nothing to do with this. Turkey is stealing land from Syria for their own wants and murdering the Kurds who helped us. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.3    2 weeks ago

Then why do this? Why not pull out of the quagmire that is Afghanistan where we have thousands of troops and not where we have ISIS prisoners being watched by the Kurds who did all the work of putting them in there for us?

It amazes me how people who support this president will make up almost any excuse for him. And for the record, since I know this is coming, no I didn't agree with Obama's policies in Syria or Iran either.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @6.2.2    2 weeks ago
who are a terrorist organization in turkeys eyes will feel betrayed? and exact revenge on both Turkey and any trump property in turkey they can get to?

Apparently our Kurdish partners in fighting ISIS and terrorism in that region are a terrorist organization in your eyes, not just Turkeys, since you're assuming they will immediately use terrorist means to launch attacks on a civilian hotel.

This is a very sad day for America, we turned our backs on an ally that was fighting and dying to defeat terror all with the expectation that they were making their homeland safer for themselves and their children, only to be abandoned, stuck between two forces, both of which reject their very right to exist.

 
 
 
Sunshine
6.2.7  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.5    2 weeks ago
Why not pull out of the quagmire that is Afghanistan where we have thousands of troops

Trump announced he wanted to pull those troops out also...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/trump-wants-pull-all-troops-out-afghanistan-2020-election-n1038651

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.8  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.4    2 weeks ago
They are our allies in Syria watching our ISIS prisoners and dying for our interests.

Just like Al Queda in Afghanistan did? How did that work out for you guys in New York?  I can't make you understand it. I'm sorry some just want to be blissfully anti-trump. Lets hope you all don't pay the price again.

And you do know the PKK are Kurds right?  Let me guess, the Kurds in Syria are good kurds, like Osama Bin Laden was a good Muslim, Just ask Jimmy and Ronny. 

And they are not our ISIS prisoners. Unless they are all Americans? Pretty sure that's not true. 

When did the independents become Neocon war hawks?

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.9  Ender  replied to  loki12 @6.2.8    2 weeks ago

When having to clean up after the true warhawks started all these wars.

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.10  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.2.6    2 weeks ago
Apparently our Kurdish partners in fighting ISIS and terrorism in that region are a terrorist organization in your eyes, not just Turkeys, since you're assuming they will immediately use terrorist means to launch attacks on a civilian hotel.

Apparently our Al Queda partners in fighting Russia and terrorism in that region are a terrorist organization in your eyes, Ask New York, not just Turkeys, since you're assuming they will immediately use terrorist means to launch attacks on a civilian hotel.

Boy Scouts who only pick Military Targets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_conflict_(1978%E2%80%93present)

But hey, we can slam trump.  Isn't Turkey a NATO ally that we are bound by treaty to prevent and protect from attacks? Like from the Kurds?

But Trump.

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.11  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.3    2 weeks ago

It is absolutely amazing, Trumps net worth had decreased since becoming President, Can Clinton or Obama make that claim? or Biden?

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.12  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.5    2 weeks ago
It amazes me how people who support this president will make up almost any excuse for him.

It's amazing how people will flush critical thinking to attack literally everything this president does.

I heard endless bleating on your site about how trump said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and he would still have supporters, as a slam to trump supporters, when Obama literal murdered Americans, 1 15 years old with no court, no trial, no due process and his supporters are the ones that bleat the loudest. So you can kindly take your criticism of trumps supporters and shove it into a 2 day suspension, or even an account deletion either is fine with me.

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.13  Ender  replied to  loki12 @6.2.11    2 weeks ago
Trumps net worth had decreased since becoming President

How would you know? Has he disclosed any financial information?

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.14  loki12  replied to  Ender @6.2.9    2 weeks ago

Bush gets Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Syria, Libya, Yemen all belong to "O"dickhead the daft.

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.15  loki12  replied to  Ender @6.2.13    2 weeks ago

Ask forbes, and yes he has, Just like every President is obligated to do.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/read-president-donald-trumps-financial-disclosure-report.html

Only a complete moron thinks his taxes would show net worth.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @6.2.8    2 weeks ago
Just like Al Queda in Afghanistan did

Is this some sort of alternative history? We were never in bed with Al Queda. Ronald Reagan helped train and arm the Mujahadeen to fight Russia, in the hopes of bringing down Russia (it didn't work. Chernobyl brought down Russia). But after we left the Mujahadeen became Al Queda under Bin Laden. But even then, this is not the same thing. We were interfering in a war between two countries for our benefit and the Mujahadeen were not fighting for us. We were aiding them for our dirty work. 

The Kurds on the other hand, have had our back twice now, once under Bush 1 and now, and they have been an aid to us for our problem... ISIS. 

And you do know the PKK are Kurds right? 

Of course, I do. You need to do some research on them. They are not involved in what was going on in Syria. They are in Turkey proper and a small militant group.

And they are not our ISIS prisoners. Unless they are all Americans? Pretty sure that's not true. 

No, they are not all American. We are presently moving the ones that our's to Cuba, but the men on the ground say that we will not get them all. And do you think that the ones from Europe and Canada wouldn't come to the US, because as I remember it, it was Saudi's who flew the planes into the WTC? It would be nieve to think otherwise.

When did the independents become Neocon war hawks?

Independents vary from issue to issue. They are not fixed one way or another and they re-evaluate as situations do. I want out of Afghanistan, where we are wasting time and lives, but the Kurds have been a great help to us and our national security. So apparently I think about each issue and then decide where I stand.

 
 
 
 
Ender
6.2.18  Ender  replied to  loki12 @6.2.15    2 weeks ago

So taxes don't show a net income? Good to know.

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.19  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.17    2 weeks ago

Looked at one and they were talking about property value.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @6.2.12    2 weeks ago
It's amazing how people will flush critical thinking to attack literally everything this president does.

You've got the wrong person here. I might be critical of the president on specific issues, but I am not out there crying for impeachment or saying " Not my President", but nice try.

I heard endless bleating on your site

I only run the day to day here. It is the group's site.

about how trump said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and he would still have supporters, as a slam to trump supporters, when Obama literal murdered Americans, 1 15 years old with no court, no trial, no due process and his supporters are the ones that bleat the loudest

And this is on me? Here is a reality check for you. I didn't like Obama, but just a bit less than I don't like Trump.

So you can kindly take your criticism of trumps supporters and shove it into a 2 day suspension, or even an account deletion either is fine with me.

Listen up Mr. Tough guy. I have every right to complain about the administration of this country. I have done it with every president. And I have NEVER been rude to Trump supporters. It's you who has the chip on your shoulder and not me and you who has attacked people personally, just like you just did. I never made this discussion about you, but you sure the heck made it about me.

I am ignoring the rest, but you might want to think about an apology for something I have never done.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.21  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.2.18    2 weeks ago
So taxes don't show a net income? Good to know.

The topic wasn't net income it was net worth. Read your own comment.

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.22  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.21    2 weeks ago

We still don't know his personal net worth, only that of his company.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.2.19    2 weeks ago
Looked at one and they were talking about property value.

Which directly correlates to  Net Worth. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
6.2.24  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.23    2 weeks ago

Of the company. Not what he personally has in his own bank account.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.2.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.2.22    2 weeks ago
We still don't know his personal net worth, only that of his company.

Which has a direct correlation in the mathematics involved in figuring his net worth. Econ 101

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Ender
6.2.26  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.25    2 weeks ago

Not really. If his company is worth 3.6 bil, then drops to 3.2 bil, do you think that he is going to take a pay cut?

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.27  loki12  replied to  Ender @6.2.18    2 weeks ago

That's not what i was talking about and you know it....or not.

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.28  loki12  replied to  Ender @6.2.22    2 weeks ago
We still don't know his personal net worth, only that of his company.

Holy Crap......did you just right this. Please tell me who owns trumps company besides him?

 
 
 
loki12
6.2.29  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.20    2 weeks ago

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igknorantzrulz
6.2.30  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @6.2.29    2 weeks ago

You are free to delete this account at anytime, there is absolutely nothing unique about it that will be missed. 

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Trumps crumbling world, doesn't seem to bother or concern you...

because, you are more concerned about a pseudo equivalent that Trump created to consume his supporters with that which equals

SQUIRREL

but,

with more nutz

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.2.31  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.4    2 weeks ago

Yeesshhhh,

The Kurds are not attacking Trump Towers in Turkey.

Not yet, but they will retaliate. The PKK and YPG are connected- despite the US media ignoring it.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/the-ypg-pkk-connection/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/world/middleeast/turkey-kurds-syria.html

The group has deep ties to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, also known as the P.K.K. Both Turkey and the United States consider the P.K.K. to be a terrorist organization for its violent separatist movement inside Turkey.

While Y.P.G. leaders play down their P.K.K. ties, areas they control are festooned with photos of the imprisoned P.K.K. leader, Abdullah Ocalan, viewed by Turks the same way Americans viewed Osama bin Laden.

One thing is clear: The United States, which has relied heavily on Kurdish fighters to push the Islamic State out of northeastern Syria, has consistently understated the complexities of its alliance with the Kurds, a policy some analysts call willful ignorance.

“Obviously the U.S. chose to look the other way, out of what it deemed to be the necessity of building an alliance to quickly capture territory from Daesh,” said Noah Bonsey, a Syria analyst with the International Crisis Group, using the Arabic acronym of the Islamic State.

“The U.S. has sound reasons to continue to support the Y.P.G.,” he said, “but doing so while the P.K.K. maintains an active insurgency against its NATO ally is an unsustainable situation.”

The United States military’s official partner in Syria is a militia known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, which includes Arab and Assyrian fighters but is dominated by the Y.P.G. The Americans de-emphasize such details.

No, they are not the fairy tail the Bush Jr and Obama administrations and media have made them out to be.

They are our allies in Syria watching our ISIS prisoners and dying for our interests.

What do you mean ours? Are you saying the US took them all prisoner with a few thousand troops? What about all of the BS about the Kurds doing the majority of the fighting? Those are their prisoners. Prisoners that we have moved supposedly to a more secure location away from the new front.

The PKK has nothing to do with this.

Sure they do. Read the two links I posted above. Reality is definitely not the romantic fiction the American media and previous US administrations have created.

Turkey is stealing land from Syria for their own wants and murdering the Kurds who helped us. 

Turkey stealing Syrian land is a Syrian problem. By extension also a Russian, Chinese, and Iranian problem. It has nothing to do with the US.  Syria has ordered the US, French, and Turkish forces out of their country. The only countries there legally were invited by Syria. That would be Russia, China, and Iran.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/2166331/syria-demands-all-foreign-occupying-forces-withdraw

Syria’s foreign minister on Saturday denounced US, French and Turkish forces operating in his country as “occupying forces” and demanded that they leave immediately.

Addressing the UN General Assembly, Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem also called on Syrian refugees to come home, even though the country’s war is now in its eighth year.

Moualem said the foreign forces were on Syrian soil illegally, under the pretext of fighting terrorism, and “will be dealt with accordingly”.

“They must withdraw immediately and without any conditions,” he told the assembly.

Moualem insisted that the “war on terror is almost over” in Syria, where more than 360,000 people have died since 2011, with millions more uprooted from their homes.

He said Damascus would continue “fighting this sacred battle until we purge all Syrian territories” of both terror groups and “any illegal foreign presence”.

So we are in Syria illegally. Period. No amount of buts, ifs, ands, or elses, will change that fact.

and murdering the Kurds who helped us. 

The rest of the world doesn't seem to care. Turkey would have been reined in by now if they did.

 
 
 
 
Ronin2
6.2.32  Ronin2  replied to  Sunshine @6.2.7    2 weeks ago

Not only did Trump announce it; he also was trying to enter into talks with the Taliban; and was blasted by the normal establishment hawks on the right; and the majority of the newly formed chicken hawks on the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-envoy-selling-out-afghanistan-taliban-peace-talks-senior-afghan-n983326

Thanks to Obama tying us indefinitely to the corrupt weak Afghan government with his shitty SOFA agreement; who else is Trump supposed to negotiate with? 

The Afghan government hates Trump, the hawks and chicken hawks hate him, and the Democrats that want the war to end hate him for calling off the talks! That is a lot of hatred for someone trying to extricate the US from the never ending quagmire that is Afghanistan.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/08/klobuchar-trump-afghanistan-taliban-1485254

But, but, Trruuummmmppppp! Trump must be the anti-Christ. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 weeks ago

BF, I love you more than my enormous collection of body-enhancing Spanx, so please tell me you have seeded this just to get a bite...or two. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7.1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7    2 weeks ago

Confession time dear Sister, 

I have no venue for my incredible art work and memes. When I seed an article like this one, the article image then becomes part of google images forever. This particular one is trending as we speak. It now lives in infamy on Reddit the meme capital of the internet as it was quickly downloaded and put on various comments and articles by others.

Then one day someone says look at this meme, and I can answer, look at it, i made it.

 
 
 
JBB
8  JBB    2 weeks ago

I see that we are now getting our anti-American foreign propaganda straight from the source. That is pretty brazen. In other news two of Rudy Giuliani's close Ukrainian associates were arrested today on campaign finance charges. These guys appear to also be tied up in these smears on Biden. It is no wonder Putin and his pawns are so desperately trying to divert everyone's attention. I tell you, this kind of stuff would make Tokyo Rose and Axis Annie blush. Plainly some people really must hate America. They are playing for the other team. THE RUSSIAN TEAM...

 
 
 
loki12
9  loki12    2 weeks ago
THE RUSSIAN TEAM...

And yet the progressive democrats still jerk them off every chance they get,

Putin thanks the democrats for Crimea

Putin thanks the democrats for doing shit about his attacking our election

Putin thanks Obama for allowing him to bomb US troops in Syria

Putin thanks Obama for promoting the fucking lie that all the chemical weapons were gone in Syria, Obama couldn't take putins dick out of his ass long enough to check for himself.

But some low functioning idiots still think trump is in Putins pocket. How fucking stupid can they be?

 
 
 
JBB
9.1  JBB  replied to  loki12 @9    2 weeks ago

[Deleted] Just FYI, Barack Obama retired 3 years ago. Trump has been President ever since and he is the one who is selling us, The USA, out to Putin and his patsies in Ukraine...

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.1  loki12  replied to  JBB @9.1    2 weeks ago
selling us, The USA, out to Putin

I listed documented list of Obama selling America out, now other than the delusional ramblings of the low functioning, exactly what has trump done for Putin/russia other than bombing the shit out of them and killing 100 russian soldiers? Please be specific and your feelings don't count.

And exactly who are you comparing trump too if not his predecessors like "O"dickead the daft? 

 
 
 
Sunshine
9.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  loki12 @9.1.1    2 weeks ago
exactly what has trump done for Putin/russia

You won't get an answer to that.  

Sometimes they like to act as if Obama never existed.  Can't blame em.

 
 
 
Sunshine
9.2  Sunshine  replied to  loki12 @9    2 weeks ago

spot on loki

 
 
 
loki12
9.2.1  loki12  replied to  Sunshine @9.2    2 weeks ago

You can pretty much gareentee that whatever the liberal dickheads are accusing you of doing......it's because they are doing it.

Racist?  The only people I know who think African Americans are too stupid to get into college without their help is liberal democrats.

The only people i know who thinks that minorities are too stupid to get ID's are liberal democrats. 

The only people I've seen giving Putin Countries is liberal democrats.    

BUT TRUMP!!!!!  FFS they can't be this gullible? Can they?

 
 
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