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If your Seattle home uses heating oil, you’re going to be paying more

  

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Via:  it-is-me  •  5 years ago  •  81 comments

If your Seattle home uses heating oil, you’re going to be paying more
“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,”

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



The tax of 24 cents per gallon will be collected starting Sept. 1, 2020, and the city expects it to raise $1.6 million in 2021.

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The mayor proposed the tax last month and the City Council voted unanimously to pass it last week, adding a provision that exempts non-petroleum based portions of biodiesel blends.

Durkan linked the measure to the recent Global Climate Strike demonstrations, saying the action will serve “our climate, our economy” and the next generation.

“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,” she said Monday. “We know our greenhouse gas emissions come mostly from transportation and buildings, so we’ve got to tackle those.”


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It Is ME
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1  seeder  It Is ME    5 years ago

Again with this "Progressive" idea of Shafting the "Poor" while claiming they're for the "Little People".

Same as Obamacare was.

If You can't afford to "Change", YOU WILL COMPLY .....and ...... PAY THE PRICE !

Not everyone can afford to meet these ludacrous "Green Deals" Progressives luv to come up with !

I guess this "Progressive" EVERYONE SHOULD BE EQUAL mantra......has a COST to it. More than folks actually make too ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2  MrFrost    5 years ago

States rights. 

Washington also has the second best economy in the country. 

I guess the stance from most the right wing is, "We want to destroy the environment, and we want to do it as cheaply as possible". If these turds want to shit where they eat, I am sure there is a lot of land downwind of coal power plants that is dirt cheap. Enjoy! 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2    5 years ago
"We want to destroy the environment, and we want to do it as cheaply as possible".

"Cheap"....helps the "Poor people".

You don't want to help the "Poor" ?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @2    5 years ago
Washington also has the second best economy in the country. 

Why is that?

When I think of Washington, I think of Apples. (The fruit-- not the technology :-)

Buit also Boeing-- aren't most of their manufacturing plants in Washington?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2    5 years ago
Bit also Boeing-- aren't most of their manufacturing plants in Washington?

Of course recently their stock has not being doing well. 

I wonder-- are they laying off workers in Washington?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3  KDMichigan    5 years ago

More idiocy from the left. There love of sticking it to the middle class has no bounds. 

What do the liberal sheep say....

256

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    5 years ago

512

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    5 years ago

What has that meme have to do with anything? Looking for attention again?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.1    5 years ago
What has that meme have to do with anything?

It DOESN'T ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    5 years ago

Doh, I guess this calls for his favorite meme.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    5 years ago

256

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.1.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.3    5 years ago
I guess this calls for his favorite meme.

1......2 ……. ?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    5 years ago
More idiocy from the left. There love of sticking it to the middle class has no bounds. 

SIgned, 

Every republican president Since Raygun that has given tax breaks to the wealthy and fucked over the middle class. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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3.2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    5 years ago
Every republican president Since Raygun that has given tax breaks to the wealthy and fucked over the middle class.

Bernie is going to make up for that One sided deal. He's gonna be a "Fucker" of the middle class and "Raise" their taxes for "HIS" dream.

That should show the 1%'ers. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.3  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    5 years ago

What has that meme have to do with anything? Looking for attention again?

 
 
 
Ender
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4  Ender    5 years ago

Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

Maybe there should be a tax break for people that still shovel coal into their basement. s/

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?

As many as 18,000 Seattle households still use oil heat ?

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.1  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    5 years ago

Not that many out of 725,000.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.1    5 years ago
Not that many out of 725,000.

NOW 18,000....is not that many ?

When it was all about ObamaScare....so-called 11.8 million people out of over 320 million people, was a BUNCH !

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.3  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.2    5 years ago

Sorry but on a national scale or a local scale, heating oil is a very low percent.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.3    5 years ago
Sorry but on a national scale or a local scale, heating oil is a very low percent.

So was ObamaScare !

But that was Uuuuuuuuuge in "Liberal Land" ! 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.4    5 years ago

Don't want to get into that as I was never a fan of Obamacare. Although I did like putting insurance companies on notice.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    5 years ago
Although I did like putting insurance companies on notice

A "Service" is a "Service" !

Only "YOU"..... can make the "Choice" to go elsewhere ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to    5 years ago
85% of homes in the Northeast use heating oil.

My mother-in-laws home in New York still has the oil Truck come by to fill her tank !

 
 
 
zuksam
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4.1.9  zuksam  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.8    5 years ago

I use oil to heat (steam) and for hot water, it was that way when I bought the house and it works well. If I had a free choice I might choose differently but the choice to change over is far from Free.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4.1.10  charger 383  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.8    5 years ago

they are coming to fill my oil tank tomorrow 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  zuksam @4.1.9    5 years ago

It's a tad expensive. Sometimes....Crippling Expensive. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

Same here. I have been in ONE house that used heating oil and I was probably 12 years old... 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

More than you might think:

 
 
 
Ender
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4.3.1  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3    5 years ago

Eh. 5.7 mil out of 350 mil. What is that, I am not great with numbers, less than 2%?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4.3.1    5 years ago

The only purpose of my comment 4.3 was to give you recent statistics. [ deleted ]

 
 
 
Ender
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4.3.3  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3.2    5 years ago

Yet the time to reply with stats.

Odd that we were all getting along and someone has to say something snarky.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.3.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4.3.3    5 years ago
Yet the time to reply with stats.
Odd that we were all getting along and someone has to say something snarky.

No snark until comment 4.3.3 .

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.3.5  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @4.3.1    5 years ago

Your numbers are wrong.  It's more like 128 million households in the US,  the 350mill you posted is an estimated number of people.

So using 5.7 million out of the 128 million households, it is closer to 4.5%.

Now some may thing that's just a small percentage of households to worry about but in 4.1.2 it was pointed out that out of the 320 million people living in the US, Obamacare was implemented to cover the 11.8 million uninsured. That percentage was only about 3.7%.

 
 
 
lady in black
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4.4  lady in black  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago

My mom's house had heating oil at one time....not sure when it was changed to natural gas.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.4.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @4.4    5 years ago
My mom's house had heating oil at one time....not sure when it was changed to natural gas.

TAXABLE ....according to Seattle !

 
 
 
lady in black
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4.4.2  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.1    5 years ago

Don't live in Seattle

 
 
 
Ender
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4.4.3  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.1    5 years ago

Have to kind of agree with you there. Blocking natural gas is dumb.

My furnace, water heater, cook top and oven is gas. Can't stand all electric.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.4.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @4.4.2    5 years ago
Don't live in Seattle

So it just was a "Moot" point ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.4.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.4.3    5 years ago
My furnace, water heater, cook top and oven is gas. Can't stand all electric.

My wife luvs cooking on a gas stove. Wouldn't want to upset the wife. It ain't pretty when that happens !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.4.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @4.4.6    5 years ago
Electric, (modern ones anyway) ranges and ovens turn themselves up or down and the temperature doesn't stay constant.   

They have more tendency to breakdown way more than "Gas" ranges too !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.4.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @4.4.8    5 years ago
Just light it with a match since the electric igniter won't work.

Yippers ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?

Umm people that can't afford a new furnace?

 
 
 
Ender
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4.5.1  Ender  replied to  KDMichigan @4.5    5 years ago

I had to buy a new system for my house. Not cheap and I couldn't afford it. Had to take out a loan. Either that or do without.

I don't see how the poor could afford it anyway. Say at 2.55 a gallon, 50 gallons is about 127$. If the temp is 35, 25 gallons would last about 5 or so days. So every 10 days the cost is 127$

I kind of find it hard to believe that poor people could spend 381$ a month. It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.5.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @4.5.1    5 years ago
It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

Do I really have to tell you that that isn't the reality?

I know people here that have to use propane and spend over 400$ a month. Fuel oil is cheaper. and produces more BTU per gallon than propane,

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.5.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.1    5 years ago
It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

If they can actually get a loan in the first place. And then....can they afford the payments. It's probably cheaper to pay the "New and Improved Seattle Green Tax". jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Maybe Seattle just wants the "Poor" to move out and go to California ?

 
 
 
Ender
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4.5.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.5.3    5 years ago

I hate to say it yet it is probably cheaper to pay the tax.

To be honest, I don't know how people afford to live in some places. My house if in Cali would be close to 500k where as in Texas I could get a bigger house. NYC is unreal.

The way I look at it is people are going to have to pay one way or the other. Almost 400 a month for oil isn't cheap yet with all electric, probably pay about the same amount.

I have never had a heat pump though, so not sure of the cost.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.5.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.5    5 years ago
Almost 400 a month for oil isn't cheap yet with all electric, probably pay about the same amount.

Probably pay MORE !

They're lamps don't run off the Oil Tanks they have for sure.

But, Upgrading isn't Cheap at all. Probably the biggest expense in "Home Ownership" you'll ever see !

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.5.9  KDMichigan  replied to  XDm9mm @4.5.4    5 years ago
My son has a place in Loudoun County and his monthly bill AVERAGES just over $800 a month

well 400$ a month is cheap, Obviously some pay a lot more.

I'm natural gas also, I have yet to run it to my grill.

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Jasper2529
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4.5.10  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @4.5.4    5 years ago

Hello, XD  - Good to see you again.

Re: propane - Two of our kids went to college in NY, and we saw that a great number of homes were heated with propane. We saw the same on our vacations in other northeast states.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.5.11  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.5.7    5 years ago

I don't know. Probably looking at a new roof in a few years. The crappy shingles I have are already 15 years.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.5.12  Ender  replied to    5 years ago

Believe it or not I am for personal responsibility. I just don't throw healthcare into that category. Things can happen beyond control.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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4.5.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.11    5 years ago
Probably looking at a new roof in a few years. The crappy shingles I have are already 15 years.

15 years is actually a short time.

I had to do that 3 years ago, but mine were at 30 years .

Over 8 grand in cost.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @4    5 years ago

In NYS, 49.3% of households, including mine, use oil. We are an old state, and there are many places that there are no gas lines. 

 
 
 
Ender
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4.8.2  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.8    5 years ago

I am sure NYC has a lot of old buildings that use radiant heat.

Call me spoiled. I want my own thermostat and control.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.8.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.8    5 years ago
49.3% of households,

Wow that seems like a lot

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,”

Ahhhhh the old adage is coming to fruition. Just like the carbon tax BS. Just throw money at it and everything will be just fine....../s

 
 

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