If your Seattle home uses heating oil, you’re going to be paying more

  
Via:  it-is-me  •  4 weeks ago  •  81 comments

If your Seattle home uses heating oil, you’re going to be paying more
“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,”

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


The tax of 24 cents per gallon will be collected starting Sept. 1, 2020, and the city expects it to raise $1.6 million in 2021.

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The mayor proposed the tax last month and the City Council voted unanimously to pass it last week, adding a provision that exempts non-petroleum based portions of biodiesel blends.

Durkan linked the measure to the recent Global Climate Strike demonstrations, saying the action will serve “our climate, our economy” and the next generation.

“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,” she said Monday. “We know our greenhouse gas emissions come mostly from transportation and buildings, so we’ve got to tackle those.”


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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

Again with this "Progressive" idea of Shafting the "Poor" while claiming they're for the "Little People".

Same as Obamacare was.

If You can't afford to "Change", YOU WILL COMPLY .....and ...... PAY THE PRICE !

Not everyone can afford to meet these ludacrous "Green Deals" Progressives luv to come up with !

I guess this "Progressive" EVERYONE SHOULD BE EQUAL mantra......has a COST to it. More than folks actually make too ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
2  MrFrost    4 weeks ago

States rights. 

Washington also has the second best economy in the country. 

I guess the stance from most the right wing is, "We want to destroy the environment, and we want to do it as cheaply as possible". If these turds want to shit where they eat, I am sure there is a lot of land downwind of coal power plants that is dirt cheap. Enjoy! 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 weeks ago
"We want to destroy the environment, and we want to do it as cheaply as possible".

"Cheap"....helps the "Poor people".

You don't want to help the "Poor" ?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 weeks ago
Washington also has the second best economy in the country. 

Why is that?

When I think of Washington, I think of Apples. (The fruit-- not the technology :-)

Buit also Boeing-- aren't most of their manufacturing plants in Washington?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.2    4 weeks ago
Bit also Boeing-- aren't most of their manufacturing plants in Washington?

Of course recently their stock has not being doing well. 

I wonder-- are they laying off workers in Washington?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3  KDMichigan    4 weeks ago

More idiocy from the left. There love of sticking it to the middle class has no bounds. 

What do the liberal sheep say....

256

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    4 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    4 weeks ago

What has that meme have to do with anything? Looking for attention again?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
What has that meme have to do with anything?

It DOESN'T ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

Doh, I guess this calls for his favorite meme.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    4 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
I guess this calls for his favorite meme.

1......2 ……. ?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    4 weeks ago
More idiocy from the left. There love of sticking it to the middle class has no bounds. 

SIgned, 

Every republican president Since Raygun that has given tax breaks to the wealthy and fucked over the middle class. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.1  MUVA  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    4 weeks ago

Letting someone keep the money they earn doesn’t effect anyone except the person that gets to keep the Money they make.How much money  I make and keep has no impact on my fellow citizens unless they think they have a right to the money I earn.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    4 weeks ago
Every republican president Since Raygun that has given tax breaks to the wealthy and fucked over the middle class.

Bernie is going to make up for that One sided deal. He's gonna be a "Fucker" of the middle class and "Raise" their taxes for "HIS" dream.

That should show the 1%'ers. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @3    4 weeks ago

What has that meme have to do with anything? Looking for attention again?

 
 
 
Ender
4  Ender    4 weeks ago

Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

Maybe there should be a tax break for people that still shovel coal into their basement. s/

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?

As many as 18,000 Seattle households still use oil heat ?

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.1  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    4 weeks ago

Not that many out of 725,000.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
Not that many out of 725,000.

NOW 18,000....is not that many ?

When it was all about ObamaScare....so-called 11.8 million people out of over 320 million people, was a BUNCH !

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.3  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

Sorry but on a national scale or a local scale, heating oil is a very low percent.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.3    4 weeks ago
Sorry but on a national scale or a local scale, heating oil is a very low percent.

So was ObamaScare !

But that was Uuuuuuuuuge in "Liberal Land" ! 

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

Don't want to get into that as I was never a fan of Obamacare. Although I did like putting insurance companies on notice.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    4 weeks ago
Although I did like putting insurance companies on notice

A "Service" is a "Service" !

Only "YOU"..... can make the "Choice" to go elsewhere ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Goodtime Charlie
4.1.7  Goodtime Charlie  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?
85% of homes in the Northeast use heating oil.
 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Goodtime Charlie @4.1.7    4 weeks ago
85% of homes in the Northeast use heating oil.

My mother-in-laws home in New York still has the oil Truck come by to fill her tank !

 
 
 
zuksam
4.1.9  zuksam  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.8    4 weeks ago

I use oil to heat (steam) and for hot water, it was that way when I bought the house and it works well. If I had a free choice I might choose differently but the choice to change over is far from Free.

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.10  charger 383  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.8    4 weeks ago

they are coming to fill my oil tank tomorrow 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  zuksam @4.1.9    4 weeks ago

It's a tad expensive. Sometimes....Crippling Expensive. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

Same here. I have been in ONE house that used heating oil and I was probably 12 years old... 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house? I am in my 50's and have never been in a house that was heated using oil.

More than you might think:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/heating-oil/use-of-heating-oil.php

 
 
 
Ender
4.3.1  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3    4 weeks ago

Eh. 5.7 mil out of 350 mil. What is that, I am not great with numbers, less than 2%?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4.3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4.3.1    4 weeks ago

The only purpose of my comment 4.3 was to give you recent statistics. [ deleted ]

 
 
 
Ender
4.3.3  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.3.2    4 weeks ago

Yet the time to reply with stats.

Odd that we were all getting along and someone has to say something snarky.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4.3.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @4.3.3    4 weeks ago
Yet the time to reply with stats.
Odd that we were all getting along and someone has to say something snarky.

No snark until comment 4.3.3 .

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.3.5  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @4.3.1    4 weeks ago

Your numbers are wrong.  It's more like 128 million households in the US,  the 350mill you posted is an estimated number of people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/183635/number-of-households-in-the-us/

So using 5.7 million out of the 128 million households, it is closer to 4.5%.

Now some may thing that's just a small percentage of households to worry about but in 4.1.2 it was pointed out that out of the 320 million people living in the US, Obamacare was implemented to cover the 11.8 million uninsured. That percentage was only about 3.7%.

 
 
 
lady in black
4.4  lady in black  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago

My mom's house had heating oil at one time....not sure when it was changed to natural gas.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @4.4    4 weeks ago
My mom's house had heating oil at one time....not sure when it was changed to natural gas.

TAXABLE ....according to Seattle !

 
 
 
lady in black
4.4.2  lady in black  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.1    4 weeks ago

Don't live in Seattle

 
 
 
Ender
4.4.3  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.1    4 weeks ago

Have to kind of agree with you there. Blocking natural gas is dumb.

My furnace, water heater, cook top and oven is gas. Can't stand all electric.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  lady in black @4.4.2    4 weeks ago
Don't live in Seattle

So it just was a "Moot" point ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.4.3    4 weeks ago
My furnace, water heater, cook top and oven is gas. Can't stand all electric.

My wife luvs cooking on a gas stove. Wouldn't want to upset the wife. It ain't pretty when that happens !

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.4.6  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.5    4 weeks ago
My wife luvs cooking on a gas stove.

All people do if they know how to cook.  It's constant and more easily controlled.  Turn it up or turn it down, it stays at that level until you change it.  Electric, (modern ones anyway) ranges and ovens turn themselves up or down and the temperature doesn't stay constant.   

Professional chefs will always use gas, natural or propane and never electric unless absolutely forced into it.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @4.4.6    4 weeks ago
Electric, (modern ones anyway) ranges and ovens turn themselves up or down and the temperature doesn't stay constant.   

They have more tendency to breakdown way more than "Gas" ranges too !

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.4.8  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @4.4.7    4 weeks ago
They have more tendency to breakdown way more than "Gas" ranges too !

Another great point is that even in a 'power outage', you can still use them.  Just light it with a match since the electric igniter won't work.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.4.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @4.4.8    4 weeks ago
Just light it with a match since the electric igniter won't work.

Yippers ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?

Umm people that can't afford a new furnace?

 
 
 
Ender
4.5.1  Ender  replied to  KDMichigan @4.5    4 weeks ago

I had to buy a new system for my house. Not cheap and I couldn't afford it. Had to take out a loan. Either that or do without.

I don't see how the poor could afford it anyway. Say at 2.55 a gallon, 50 gallons is about 127$. If the temp is 35, 25 gallons would last about 5 or so days. So every 10 days the cost is 127$

I kind of find it hard to believe that poor people could spend 381$ a month. It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.5.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @4.5.1    4 weeks ago
It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

Do I really have to tell you that that isn't the reality?

I know people here that have to use propane and spend over 400$ a month. Fuel oil is cheaper. and produces more BTU per gallon than propane,

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.5.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.1    4 weeks ago
It would be cheaper in the long run to change.

If they can actually get a loan in the first place. And then....can they afford the payments. It's probably cheaper to pay the "New and Improved Seattle Green Tax". jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Maybe Seattle just wants the "Poor" to move out and go to California ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.5.4  XDm9mm  replied to  KDMichigan @4.5.2    4 weeks ago
I know people here that have to use propane and spend over 400$ a month.

Hell, it's not just Michigan where propane is in great use.  Northern Virginia has for the most part propane or electric....  and both are SUPER expensive.

My son has a place in Loudoun County and his monthly bill AVERAGES just over $800 a month.  Propane gets him in the cold months and electric gets him in the warm months.

I love Texas....   my gas and electric bill averages $105 a month.     

 
 
 
Ender
4.5.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.5.3    4 weeks ago

I hate to say it yet it is probably cheaper to pay the tax.

To be honest, I don't know how people afford to live in some places. My house if in Cali would be close to 500k where as in Texas I could get a bigger house. NYC is unreal.

The way I look at it is people are going to have to pay one way or the other. Almost 400 a month for oil isn't cheap yet with all electric, probably pay about the same amount.

I have never had a heat pump though, so not sure of the cost.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.5.6  MUVA  replied to  Ender @4.5.1    4 weeks ago

When ever I post a comment like yours I get attacked  you are calling for personal responsibility.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.5.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.5    4 weeks ago
Almost 400 a month for oil isn't cheap yet with all electric, probably pay about the same amount.

Probably pay MORE !

They're lamps don't run off the Oil Tanks they have for sure.

But, Upgrading isn't Cheap at all. Probably the biggest expense in "Home Ownership" you'll ever see !

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.5.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @4.5.5    4 weeks ago
I have never had a heat pump though, so not sure of the cost.

Heat pumps are great....

While not the greatest at heating in really cold places like the upper midwest, they're more efficient at cooling even in the hotter regions.   They transfer heat out of the space rather than try to cool the space.

The ultimate set-up would be geo-thermal radiant floor heating and heat pump for cooling.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.5.9  KDMichigan  replied to  XDm9mm @4.5.4    4 weeks ago
My son has a place in Loudoun County and his monthly bill AVERAGES just over $800 a month

well 400$ a month is cheap, Obviously some pay a lot more.

I'm natural gas also, I have yet to run it to my grill.

256

 
 
 
Jasper2529
4.5.10  Jasper2529  replied to  XDm9mm @4.5.4    4 weeks ago

Hello, XD  - Good to see you again.

Re: propane - Two of our kids went to college in NY, and we saw that a great number of homes were heated with propane. We saw the same on our vacations in other northeast states.

 
 
 
Ender
4.5.11  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.5.7    4 weeks ago

I don't know. Probably looking at a new roof in a few years. The crappy shingles I have are already 15 years.

 
 
 
Ender
4.5.12  Ender  replied to  MUVA @4.5.6    4 weeks ago

Believe it or not I am for personal responsibility. I just don't throw healthcare into that category. Things can happen beyond control.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.5.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.5.11    4 weeks ago
Probably looking at a new roof in a few years. The crappy shingles I have are already 15 years.

15 years is actually a short time.

I had to do that 3 years ago, but mine were at 30 years .

Over 8 grand in cost.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Who in the hell still uses oil to heat their house?

Well, a whole lot actually.

Who uses heating oil?

About 5.7 million households in the United States use heating oil as their main space heating fuel. 1 Some households also use heating oil to heat water but in much smaller amounts than what they use for space heating. Some commercial and institutional buildings also use heating oil for space and water heating.

Source:  https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/heating-oil/use-of-heating-oil.php

Now the vast majority are in the Northeast, but they are out there.

Oh, we never shoveled coal into the basement.  We had a truck that delivered and used a chute down to the basement through a portal in the basement wall made specifically for that.  When we converted to natural gas, the old coal bin was torn down and the 'portal' was made into a window.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.7  MUVA  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago

People that live in rural areas or people that live in older homes my friend has oil fire boiler that uses radiators.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago

In NYS, 49.3% of households, including mine, use oil. We are an old state, and there are many places that there are no gas lines. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.8.1  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.8    4 weeks ago

Do you have a boiler ?

 
 
 
Ender
4.8.2  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.8    4 weeks ago

I am sure NYC has a lot of old buildings that use radiant heat.

Call me spoiled. I want my own thermostat and control.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.8.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.8    4 weeks ago
49.3% of households,

Wow that seems like a lot

 
 
 
squiggy
4.9  squiggy  replied to  Ender @4    4 weeks ago
Maybe there should be a tax break for people that still shovel coal into their basement.

Those homes still exist in eastern Pennsylvania and while many have changed to oil, there are entire towns devoid of gas infrastructure. It's an ironic fate, given the environmental damage from fracking.

 
 
 
Ender
4.9.1  Ender  replied to  squiggy @4.9    4 weeks ago

My Sister's house doesn't have gas. They built in an area that doesn't have it run. In order to get it they were told they would have to pay to run the lines all the way down the street. It wouldn't be so bad if all the homeowners did it. Like the first house have it run then the next extend it.

I think they were told it would cost them thousands to have it run. Then after they paid for, others could just tap in.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

“We’re in a fight for our climate and we’ve got to be tackling every source,”

Ahhhhh the old adage is coming to fruition. Just like the carbon tax BS. Just throw money at it and everything will be just fine....../s

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago
“We know our greenhouse gas emissions come mostly from transportation and buildings, so we’ve got to tackle those.”

Well then, tear down the buildings, crush the buses, cars truck, trains and planes and get out the tents and horses and mules.  Problem solved.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @6    4 weeks ago

Butt Plugs for Cows too.

When they "Explode", we can eat them then.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    4 weeks ago
we can eat them then.

But you better get those solar ovens to do it.  Putting a side of beef over a pit for bar-b-que would create all that wood smoke.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.1    4 weeks ago
But you better get those solar ovens to do it. 

Ed Begley Jr. Syndrome ? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MUVA
6.1.3  MUVA  replied to  XDm9mm @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

My neighbor complains about my smoker all the time I give her some sausage and she is ok till next time.

 
 
 
MUVA
7  MUVA    4 weeks ago

Making things more expensive is what some liberals do best.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @7    4 weeks ago
Making things more expensive is what some liberals do best.

I'm sorry, I simply had to make the below minor correction:

Making things more expensive is what ALL liberals do best.  And then deny they did it.
 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.1  MUVA  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    4 weeks ago

True 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    4 weeks ago

It's ALL for their good cause. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.3  MUVA  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.2    4 weeks ago

A  200 horse power outboard motor cost over 15,000 dollars with some models going for has high as 30,000 because of regulation they are pricing most people out of boating there are no entry level boats or motors for sale unless it is dingy size.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  MUVA @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

Used to be, you could buy an 18' boat with 85 horse motor (and trailer), for 1800 bucks, and cars didn't cost as much as a "Home" used to.

Those stupid "Car Auction" shows, priced old USED cars out of regular folks grasp too.

People seem to "Conveniently" forget (for some reasonjrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif ).... It's the "Cost of Living" (thank you government ideas jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif ) that's ALWAYS the problem. Not how much one makes.

320

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
8  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 weeks ago

My gas bill runs $28 a month during the winter. 

 
 
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