DOJ watchdog finds Russia investigation not improper, despite missteps

  
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DOJ watchdog finds Russia investigation not improper, despite missteps
DOJ watchdog finds Russia investigation not improper, despite missteps. The report contradicts claims by Trump that the investigation was unlawful.

A Lot of Crow Will Be Eaten by the damn gop tonight...


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DOJ watchdog finds Russia investigation not improper, despite missteps.

The report contradicts claims by Trump that the investigation was unlawful.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-watchdog-finds-russia-investigation-improper-missteps/story?id=67599147

Horowitz said the office "did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced [Priestap's] decision." 
However, Horowitz in his year-and-a-half long investigation uncovered "serious performance failures" on the part of agents involved in the FISA applications for surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page, according to the report. 
While Horowitz found no evidence of political bias or improper motivation for the FISA applications for Page, he documented what he described as serious errors and omissions that "made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case." 
Horowitz said the errors "raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command's management and supervision of the FISA process."

In a statement reacting to the report's release, Attorney General William Barr stated that he believed the evidence compiled by Horowitz showed that the FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken." 
"It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory," Barr said. "Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration." 
Prior to its public release, the report was transmitted to Congress where lawmakers and aides reviewed it with staff from Horowitz's office, sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News. Horowitz is set to testify on the report's findings on Wednesday in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. 
ABC's Katherine Faulders and Benjamin Siegel contributed reporting to this piece. 

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JBB
1  seeder  JBB    one month ago

The Trump/Russia Probe was JUSTIFIED... 

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  JBB @1    one month ago

Based on what valid evidence?

You always forgot the details

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.2  WallyW  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    one month ago

Attorney General William Barr stated that he believed the evidence compiled by Horowitz showed that the FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.
"It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory," Barr said. "Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into President Trump’s administration." 

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katrix
1.1.3  katrix  replied to  WallyW @1.1.2    one month ago

Barr would say anything to defend Trump. He's a toadie who puts his worship of Trump over his country, like most of the swamp creatures Trump brings into his administration.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  katrix @1.1.3    one month ago

Holder and Lynch were at Obama's every beck and call.

Unlike the majority of Democrats, Barr and Durham believe in the rule of law, presumption of innocence, and due process.

None of that happened during the Schiff and Nadler "investigations".

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @1    one month ago
The Trump/Russia Probe was JUSTIFIED...

"In a statement reacting to the report's release, Attorney General William Barr stated that he believed the evidence compiled by Horowitz showed that the FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken."  

Now that's odd ! jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.1  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @1.2    one month ago

It's not odd at all that Barr disagrees with the IG's findings - he's so far up Trump's ass that he can't even see daylight. And like Trump, he is no fan of actual facts.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @1.2.1    one month ago

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katrix
1.2.3  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.2    one month ago

As usual, your comments make no sense.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.4  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @1.2.3    one month ago

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Tessylo
1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @1.2.3    one month ago

I'll second that.  

 
 
 
Ender
1.2.6  Ender  replied to  katrix @1.2.1    one month ago

Barr is nothing but a clean up man.

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Ender @1.2.6    one month ago

Can The Bar Association bar Barr from the bar?

 
 
 
Ender
1.2.8  Ender  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    one month ago

Hell the senate repubs ignore the Bar association when they keep saying the people the repubs keep putting on lifetime benches are not qualified.

As usual they put ideology over country.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.9  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    one month ago
Can The Bar Association bar Barr from the bar?

If they're fed enough Dirty martini's.....probably !

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.4    one month ago
It's not odd at all that Barr disagrees with the IG's findings - he's so far up Trump's ass

Other's " Assumptions " are much, much, much better ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
1.2.11  seeder  JBB  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.10    one month ago

Are you talking to yourself now?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.12  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @1.2.11    one month ago
Are you talking to yourself now?

You tell me ! jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
charger 383
1.2.13  charger 383  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    one month ago

that is funny and if we were at a bar I would buy you drink for that post

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.14  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JBB @1.2.11    one month ago

No that message was for me

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.15  Freedom Warrior  replied to  katrix @1.2.1    one month ago

They were scandal on American political history in the last century maybe last two and you think it’s made up, well I got news for you the indictments are coming and they’re going to fry their fucking asses.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.13    one month ago

We’ll you’d have to by me the whole damn bar if you find that amusing.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.17  Krishna  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    one month ago
Can The Bar Association bar Barr from the bar?

I think there are definite grounds to impeach BARR!

 
 
 
bugsy
1.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Krishna @1.2.17    one month ago
I think there are definite grounds to impeach BARR!

For what?

BTW..."I don't like him" doesn't count.

Liberals are trying, and failing, to use that strategy against Trump.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2.19  Greg Jones  replied to  Krishna @1.2.17    one month ago
I think there are definite grounds to impeach BARR!

Like what? Can you list them and give your "reasoning".

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JBB @1    one month ago

Did you know the report proved everything that was claimed about investigation by the GOP and the President to be true.  but we all knew it was a hoax it was proven to be a hoax by the Mueller probe investigation is proving to be a disaster for the Dems,  they may even have to exhume that freaking bitch Hillary off the ash heap of history stroke her ego and give the delusional Dan’s some new fantasy to cling to.

 
 
 
JBB
1.3.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.3    one month ago

 That is not true...

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.3.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JBB @1.3.1    one month ago

If I say it's true then it is true.  In this case it's more than true.  There was more that was believed to have occurred and was confirmed but beyond that tit was even worse than some speculated.

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.3  lib50  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.3    one month ago

What?  Read the damn thing before you start lying about something you don't know about.  Trump and the gop are LYING about what is in the Mueller report and most have admitted they haven't read it.  So they can lie and use stupid as an excuse when they get called out.

Trump is getting RUSSIAN help to manufacture help to blame Ukraine for what Putin did, and gop are also spewing the propaganda.  Trump/Putin 2020 indeed.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.4  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @1.3.3    one month ago
What?  Read the damn thing before you start lying about something you don't know about.

Actually, I did read it.  And there is simply no there there.

You might have read the Schiff Parody version to be so mistaken.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.3.5  bugsy  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.4    one month ago
You might have read the Schiff Parody version

Shifty Schiff version

"Orange man bad"

The end

 
 
 
MUVA
1.3.6  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @1.3.3    one month ago

Why isn't he being impeached for the russia hoax ?

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.7  lib50  replied to  MUVA @1.3.6    one month ago

Because there is no such thing.   And it's bootstraps time.  When you figure it out come back and say something relevant.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.3.8  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @1.3.7    one month ago

He isn't being impeached for the Russia hoax because it was a hoax.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.3.9  Freedom Warrior  replied to  lib50 @1.3.3    one month ago

We are going to put those motherfucking pieces of shit from the obummer administration that meddled in the election in the hot seat and there is going to be hell to pay. We have the goods on all of those assholes that you think are saints  and guess what, you’re fucked in the 2020 election, you can forget about it and we’re taking house back too.  The squad may have to come up with a new nickname like oh I don’t know maybe the suicide squad

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    one month ago

Barr is a Trump bootlicker, because Trump has appointed many far right judges to lifetime positions on the federal bench. 

As we now know from his speeches, etc, Barr is an extremist in terms of how he regards progressives and others on the "left". 

He has contaminated the Attorney General's position with right wing political ideology and whatever he says with political overtones has to be taken as questionable on its face. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

You going to apologize to Nunes? Or just pretend your attacks on his report on the FISA warrants never happened?  

 If anything, Nunes didn't go far enough.  The IG report is much more damning than the Nunes report was.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    one month ago

I havent read the report yet, but if you can, please point out where it exposes a deep state conspiracy against Trump, and where in the report it exposes the Obama administration spying on Trump. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.2  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one month ago

Since the report doesn't say what some in here repeatedly claimed it would say, all they have is "Barr doesn't agree with it" - which is just what I knew the Trump toadies would say.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one month ago

Remember when Adam Schiff wrote a memo and lied when he said the Steele dossier played a limited role in obtaining the FISA warrant?  Then you and all the other progressives parroted Schiff and falsely claimed Nunes was lying?

Good times!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.3    one month ago
Then you and all the other progressives parroted Schiff and falsely claimed Nunes was lying?

He was lying.  The fact that you point this out means you have not read the IG's report, you're just parroting some spam you got from a right wing conspiracy source.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.3    one month ago

So in other words, there is no conclusion in the IG report stating a 'deep state' conspiracy or spying on Trump. OK. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.4    one month ago

C'mon. Let's hear some more about how the Steele dossier was verified and Cohen really  was in Prague, despite what Mueller wrote.  

Prove the IG wrong. 

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.6    one month ago

No, but this does explain why Andrew McCabe has never been and will not ever be indicted...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.6    one month ago
Let's hear some more about how the Steele dossier

You'd almost think that talking about the Steele Dossier" gives you guys a woody.  You like repeating it over and over even when it is not the subject at hand.

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Sean Treacy
2.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    one month ago

You'd almost think that talking about the Steele Dossier" gives you guys a woody.

So you gaslight the form for years peddling lies about the Steele dossier being verified despite overwhelming proof to the contrary and now suddenly don't want to talk about it when it's debunked yet again?   

Sad. 

when it is not the subject at hand

Do you understand what's happening?  The Steele dossier is the subject at hand. Have you even looked at the IG's report?  FFS  what a crazy thing to claim, with the IG's report right there for everyone to see. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.9    one month ago
So you gaslight the form for years peddling lies about the Steele dossier being verified despite overwhelming proof to the contrary and now suddenly don't want to talk about it when it's debunked yet again? 

Please provide that proof.  Several items is the dossier have been verified, how many have been disproven?

P.S. Don't bother replying unless you can give us links to substantiate your claims.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    one month ago

My link is the report.

You should read it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.11    one month ago
You should read it.

I did, perhaps you should.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.13  WallyW  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    one month ago
Several items is the dossier have been verified

But you can't even show which ones.  jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  WallyW @2.1.13    one month ago
But you can't even show which ones.

I have shown you before wally, if you'd take your fingers out of your ears you wouldn't have to ask over and over and over.

Revisiting the Trump-Russia dossier: What's right, wrong and still unclear?

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.15  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.14    one month ago

Your source is CNN

Not exactly the bastion of truth.

Horowitz clearly stated the dossier was a figment of imagination by a few dudes sitting in a bar over beers.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @2.1.15    one month ago

Imagine citing a story about the dossier from January and ignoring the IG report that came out this week.

Textbook example of intellectual dishonesty. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

Right wing political ideology like constitutional honor and integrity yeah that’s going to fry some fucking left wingers ass.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
right wing political ideology and whatever he says with political overtones has to be taken as questionable on its face. 

You mean for following the intent of the Founders and the laws listed in the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

You must realize that this whole impeachment circus is sore loser politics and has no chance in hell of getting rid of Trump.

Can't wait for the impeachment inquiry into Barr to begin

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JBB
3  seeder  JBB    one month ago

Facts Still Matter In America...

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JBB @3    one month ago

Where it Shirley ain’t here.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @3    one month ago

What facts?

 
 
 
JBB
3.2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2    one month ago

The facts that the Trump Russia Probe was properly predicted, totally justified and not politically motivated...

 
 
 
WallyW
3.2.2  WallyW  replied to  JBB @3.2.1    one month ago

Wrong on all counts.

 
 
 
JBB
3.2.3  seeder  JBB  replied to  WallyW @3.2.2    one month ago

I'll take the Inspector General's well reasoned opinion based on the evidence over your uninformed one any day...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Absolutely damning indictment of the FBI.  

How can anyone trust the FBI when it  lied, repeatedly, to the FISA Court? 

If you go beyond the MSM headlines and read the actual report, even the executive summary, and still have confidence in the FBI as an honest agency of law enforcement agency, you are an idiot.  No matter what your political persuasion, you should be outraged at what the FBI did. It's conduct was reprehensible. 

I'm glad the IS is ordering an audit of all FISA applications and recommending new procedures be put in place to prevent such a travesty from occurring again. Good first steps.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1  MUVA  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    one month ago

Durham disagrees with the finding of the IG.

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  MUVA @4.1    one month ago

Well to be honest Durham doesn't disagree with all of the IG report.  He stated he disagrees with some of the conclusions. His report will be interesting as his scope was much larger.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    one month ago

They killed my faith in this government and by the way if you haven’t heard about this you should know that the same government has been lying to the American public about Afghanistan for nearly 2 decades.

 
 
 
MUVA
5  MUVA    one month ago

Oops the investigation is still ongoing.

 
 
 
JBB
5.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  MUVA @5    one month ago

Why? Because Trump's own Department of Justice came up with findings which prove that Trump & Co have been lying all along? Not good enough...

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.1  MUVA  replied to  JBB @5.1    one month ago

No because the IG referred some FBI employees for further investigation and the investigation is still going on.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.1.1    one month ago

Ridiculous.  How long are they going to investigate the investigators?

Why am I asking you?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.2    one month ago

I pretty sure till it is over.I don't know why you are asking me and stop following me a aroundjrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.1.3    one month ago

You got that backwards as usual.  

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.5  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.2    one month ago
How long are they going to investigate the investigators?
For as long as it takes.
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katrix
6  katrix    one month ago
In a statement reacting to the report's release, Attorney General William Barr stated that he believed the evidence compiled by Horowitz showed that the FBI "launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken." 

Sorry, Barr, the IG disagrees with you, despite all the Trump toadies in here claiming that they somehow had insider knowledge that this report would end up with tons of Democrats thrown in jail.

Of course Barr wouldn't ever accept anything that doesn't favor Trump; he thinks he works for Trump rather than for us. Same way he tried to twist the Mueller report - he's a disgrace.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
7  Sean Treacy    one month ago

This report is a treasure trove.

Remember the allegation in the Steele dossier that Carter Page received a massive bribe offer  from Rosneft  to lift sanctions?

Christopher Steele made it up. Steele's  "source" for that allegation flatly denied making that claim, and provided the IG with the documentation disproving it. 

I almost feel bad for the people who spent the last three years embarrassing themselves by claiming, in the face of all evidence, that the Steele dossier was verified. The IG just comprehensively destroyed the dossier. Hopefully, this will be the end of the dossier truthers. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1  Ronin2  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    one month ago

They are ignoring that now. The Steele Dossier is so yesterday.

Now they are focusing on the fact that the IG found no FBI wrong doing; just some clerical errors trying to make the information they had seem far more damning that it really was. I mean so what if they used the completely bogus Steele Dossier. It still wasn't wrong to do so damn it. 

Of course also from the IG, "According to the report, Horowitz found that DOJ had an authorized purpose in investigating whether there was a crime, and noted the "low threshold" for opening such an investigation. He also noted that while former FBI lawyer Peter Strzok was involved in the decision to open the investigation, the actual authorization came from his supervisor Bill Priestap, the former assistant director of the FBI's counterintelligence division.

Seems that doctoring information on FISA reports to reach the low threshold to open an investigation, and maintain it is not a big deal to the IG.

I know, I know, but Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!! That is the only thing the left has to go on. They don't give a shit how they do it, so long as they do it. They would have screamed forever to the heavens if this was ever pulled on Clinton or Obama. Then it would have all been a "vast right wing conspiracy within the bowels of the government to remove a duly elected Democratic President."

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.1  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    one month ago
Republicans have complained that the FBI, in its applications to seek and renew surveillance on Page, concealed its reliance on Steele's findings. But copies of those applications released after USA TODAY and others sued showed FBI investigators did disclose to judges that Steele was seeking information to "discredit" Trump, and investigators had broader suspicions about Page's ties to the Russian government. 

Page, who had longstanding connections in Russia, admitted meeting with Kremlin officials in July 2016, when he was the Trump campaign's foreign policy adviser. Later that year, the FBI obtained a surveillance warrant on Page as part of its counterintelligence investigation into Russia and possible ties to the Trump campaign.

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The FBI's counterintelligence investigation was launched in summer 2016, after the FBI learned another campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, boasted to an Australian diplomat that Russia had offered the Trump campaign damaging information about Clinton. 

Investigators determined that Russian intelligence had stolen troves of emails from the Democratic National Committee. Papadopoulos' boast came before the Russian intrusions were publicly known. 

Special Counsel Robert Mueller took over the FBI's investigation in May 2017 and indicted three dozen individuals and entities, including six former Trump associates and campaign aides – all of whom have either pleaded guilty or have been convicted by a jury. Page was never indicted as part of the Russia probe. 

Mueller's two-year investigation found a “sweeping and systematic" effort by the Russian government to intercede in the election to help Trump win, but concluded neither the president nor his campaign conspired with Russians, according to the special counsel’s report released in April. The report, however, portrayed the campaign as an eager beneficiary of Russian efforts. 

Link
 
 
 
Sunshine
7.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @7.1.1    one month ago

What a bunch of hyperbole.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.3  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @7.1.2    one month ago

Don't like facts do ya...

 
 
 
Sunshine
7.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @7.1.3    one month ago

You should be concerned about how this article is written, but I guess those who suffer TDS are the most gullible to puffery.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.5  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @7.1.4    one month ago

The only true TDS around here are the supporters that cheer on trump and his lies/crooked behavior. 

All the while turning a blind eye to facts.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @7.1.5    one month ago

You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.

Wishes, hopes, and opinions are not facts.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1.6    one month ago
You wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.

Well, I suppose for many on the right, a large dark empty void seems preferable to facts. Ender, however, seems to have quite an affinity for facts and uses them all the time in his comments.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
8  The People's Fish    one month ago

IG Report = peer review

Durham Report and Barr = US justice system

Durham's statement says someone going to pokey...lol love the spinning!

What we do know, Obama admin and FBI spied on Trump, turns out Trump wasn't lying like the NYT says.

It also turns out they didn't have sufficient evidence for Fisa warrant or enough to open Crossfire Hurricane ultimately costing us 40 Million.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @8    one month ago
Durham Report and Barr = US justice system

That's scary, since Barr is a demented political ideologue.  The whole Barr/Durham investigation is questionable due to blatant bias on the part of the Attorney General.  We are seeing our democratic form of government subverted by crazed fundies. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish
8.1.1  The People's Fish  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    one month ago

Obama admin spied on trump with an outlandish Russian collusion story. That's f'd up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @8.1.1    one month ago

Please QUOTE word for word, the sections of the IG report that arrive at that conclusion. 

 
 
 
katrix
8.1.3  katrix  replied to  The People's Fish @8.1.1    one month ago
Obama admin spied on trump with an outlandish Russian collusion story. That's f'd up.

Please provide a quote where the report says that - because from what I've heard so far, it says that the investigation was justified.

Facts do matter, despite what Trump tries to make his fans believe.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    one month ago

We are seeing our democratic form of government subverted by crazed fundies. 

Yep...their names are Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi, Schumer...just to get the list started.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.2  JohnRussell  replied to  The People's Fish @8    one month ago
What we do know, Obama admin and FBI spied on Trump, turns out Trump wasn't lying like the NYT says. It also turns out they didn't have sufficient evidence for Fisa warrant or enough to open Crossfire Hurricane ultimately costing us 40 Million.

Where does it say that?  Since the report is now finished and released, you can quote the passages that support your theory .  Anything less than a quote from the IG report supporting your conspiracy theories is insufficient. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  The People's Fish @8    one month ago
IG Report = peer review

Durham Report and Barr = US justice system

Durham's statement says someone going to pokey...lol love the spinning!

What we do know, Obama admin and FBI spied on Trump, turns out Trump wasn't lying like the NYT says.

yepp those are facts they will spin like a top. but no matter. time is their worst enemy.

Durham, who continues to investigate the origins of the Russia investigation, said that his investigation would be more robust, including details of actions of people outside the Justice Department.

that statement will make a few people nervous.

I am waiting to see how far outside the justice dept this goes.

the show goes on :)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    one month ago

Based on Durham's inappropriate statements today (which would poison any criminal case that might result from his investigation)  I think we may see the House Judiciary committee open a hearing into the conduct of Barr and Durham . Barr is impeachable and maybe we can get a double impeachment on the same day. Trump and Barr going down in disgrace together !

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10  Nerm_L    one month ago

Isn't Michael Horowitz really stating a variation of the Clinton defense; actions were inappropriate and reckless but not criminal?  The findings of IG Horowitz's investigation institutionalizes 'the ends justify the means'.

The political implications are worrying.  The only necessity is for investigative (and intelligence) agencies to presume guilt and take whatever steps (legal and illegal) to prove guilt.  The ends justify the means.  Putting the worms back in the can is becoming increasingly difficult.

 
 
 
Ender
10.1  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @10    one month ago

So do you think that if you or I were talking to Russian agents, that were trying to recruit people, the FBI would not look into it?

Why some want to give others special privilege that they themselves could not posses...

 
 
 
Ronin2
10.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ender @10.1    one month ago

You think they would bother investigating anyone not associated with Trump using the flimsiest information they could find; and omitting anything that contradicts their narrative on FISA warrants?

They doctored the information to start the investigation; and they continued to doctor it to keep it going.

 
 
 
Ender
10.1.2  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @10.1.1    one month ago

So you are actually going to say it was flimsy information when they knew for a fact that the people had Russian contacts...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @10.1    one month ago
So do you think that if you or I were talking to Russian agents, that were trying to recruit people, the FBI would not look into it? Why some want to give others special privilege that they themselves could not posses...

No.  If the Russian agents were part of a diplomatic mission or were registered lobbyists then the discussions would be legal.  And the FBI certainly would not initiate a counterintelligence operation involving intensive surveillance for legal contacts.  And any discussion with Russian agents or representatives outside the United States is not within the FBI's jurisdiction.

So, it requires considerably more than simply talking to Russians to justify a counterintelligence effort.  If simply talking to Russians was the necessary requirement then there is little doubt that several members of Congress should be under FBI surveillance, too.  I wouldn't be surprised if Russian money made its way into several Congressional political campaigns.

 
 
 
Ender
10.1.4  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.3    one month ago

They had recordings of the Russian agents. They were even basically calling Page an idiot. They were trying to recruit people.

We both know it is more than someone talking to a Russian citizen.

 
 
 
Sunshine
10.2  Sunshine  replied to  Nerm_L @10    one month ago

They say history will repeat itself.  

It certainly did with Obama's dirty cops.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Here's what one  of Steele's  main sources told the IG his "evidence" consisted of:

1, the Primary Sub-source said he/ she made it clear to Steele that h’e/she had no proof to support the statements from his/her sub-sources and that “it was just talk.” WFO Agent 1 said that the Primary Sub-source explained that his/ her information came from “word of mouth and hearsay;” “conversation that [he/she] had with friends over beers;” and that some of the information, such as allegations about Trump’s sexual activities, were statements he/she heard made in “jest.”

Actual jokes were the basis of this investigation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    one month ago

Oh, the "pee" thing was a joke. Thats reassuring. Now we know Trump is an honest, upright, good guy who is being persecuted. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    one month ago

John, does it bother you at all that FBI is predicating investigations on jokes?  Do civil liberties still matter to liberals these days?  

Put aside your Trump derangement and think about what you are defending. 

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.2  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.1    one month ago

Put aside your Trump denial and think about what you are defending.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.1    one month ago

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loki12
11.1.4  loki12  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.1    one month ago

Durham has said the IG is wrong in his conclusion, the main difference is Durham can put people in jail, and Horowitz is trying to protect the institution.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  katrix @11.1.2    one month ago
Trump denial and think about what you are defending

I'm defending the idea that the FBI should present accurate, verified information and not lie to the Court when obtaining warrants to spy on American citizens. 

Sad that's controversial these days. 

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.6  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.3    one month ago

Their endless lies and spin and misdirection is unreal.

They can't even keep the same story. It changes constantly. From no quid pro quo, to it doesn't matter, to they all do it, now back to the beginning.

Round and round.

 
 
 
JBB
11.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  loki12 @11.1.4    one month ago

Are you advocating abuse of power?

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.1.8  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    one month ago
Oh, the "pee" thing was a joke.

lol....the TDS folks really believed it.  They believe anything the Russians say, apparently so did Obama's FBI.  Now that is scary.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.3    one month ago
  Your endless defenses of Trump have thrown all that in the wastebasket. 

Being angry that the FBI would mislead a Court of law is not a "defense of Trump." 

Sad your worldview has descended to the point where you judge everything on whether you think it helps or hurt Trump.    You have become the mirror image of what you claim Trump to be. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1.5    one month ago

Is Donald Trump fit to serve as president of the United States for five more years? 

 
 
 
loki12
11.1.11  loki12  replied to  JBB @11.1.7    one month ago

[DELETED  (Do not call NV members names) ,] Durham is looking into criminal wrong doing, the IG’s job is to protect the agency. Which part of this don’t you understand?

 
 
 
loki12
11.1.12  loki12  replied to  loki12 @11.1.11    one month ago

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charger 383
11.1.13  charger 383  replied to  loki12 @11.1.12    one month ago

I apologize for the typo. I wanted to type NT members, my bad.  I have been around from those days.  And YES I sometimes think I wondered into a daycare center and sometimes I think I have been condemned to herd cats.    

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.14  Ender  replied to  charger 383 @11.1.13    one month ago

Ha.  I didn't notice until you said that. I think I have done it before too.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
12  JohnRussell    one month ago
You have become the mirror image of what you claim Trump to be. 

That'll be the day . I've probably lied a few times in my life, and probably cheated a tiny bit on something over decades of life, but nothing like Trump,  -   but I am not a bigot , and would be embarrassed to death to say some of the moronic things that man has said. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
13  Sunshine    one month ago
However, Horowitz in his year-and-a-half long investigation uncovered "serious performance failures" on the part of agents involved in the FISA applications for surveillance of former Trump campaign aide Carter Page, according to the report. 

Obama's FBI where dirty and incompetent. 

What a shocker!

 
 
 
MUVA
13.1  MUVA  replied to  Sunshine @13    one month ago

The fish rots from the head down.

 
 
 
JBB
13.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  MUVA @13.1    one month ago

If you are speaking of the Trump administration, then yes. Yes it does...rot from the head down!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
14  The Magic Eight Ball    one month ago
A Lot of Crow Will Be Eaten by the damn gop tonight...

try again... LOL

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/09/brennan-lied-about-not-including-steele-dossier-in-intelligence-community-assessment-on-2016-russian-election-interference/

Y'all seem to think it is over when this is actually just the start.

keep your popcorn handy :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
15  Tessylo    one month ago

Ya got nothin', as usual

 
 
 
freepress
17  freepress    one month ago

Just like all the "tea party" nonsense where they stood with Bush and his cronies over the war, they all still speak as one mind, without any facts that get through. GOP voters are completely and totally brainwashed to accept all corruption, all cronyism, all acts no matter how despicable as long as it is someone they voted for. It's a complete denial of all wrong. A total unwillingness to accept that someone who has the magic "R" cannot be wrong and therefore makes the voter who supports the magical "R" candidate never wrong. Where is the magical "Tea Party"? They are nowhere, because as I said all along, once they could no longer be exploited by Republicans and the party, they squelched it; they are no longer useful. Republicans knew all along they could do what they wanted and every "R" voter would buy it lock, stock and barrel. Regardless of how Republicans repeatedly year after year lie to their own base. The "R" voters buy it and lap it up anyway, accepting ANY talking point pushed at them. These "R" voters are a completely lost cause. They won't ever, ever, ever give in to truth when it is so much easier to believe the fantasy and check the "R" believing every time they do it all the magical lies are true. Their party belief system is like a belief in Santa or the all consuming "daddy" figure who can do no wrong.

 
 
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