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Russia’s State TV Calls Trump Their ‘Agent’

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  john-russell  •  5 years ago  •  161 comments

Russia’s State TV Calls Trump Their ‘Agent’
Vesti Nedeli, a Sunday news show on the same network, pointed out that it was Trump, personally, who asked Lavrov to pose standing near as Trump sat at his desk. It’s almost the literal image of a power behind the throne.

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Sometimes a picture doesn’t have to be worth a thousand words. Just a few will do. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media was gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment   entitled   “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’—How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.”

Vesti Nedeli , a Sunday news show on the same network,   pointed out   that it was Trump, personally, who asked Lavrov to pose standing near as Trump sat at his desk. It’s almost the literal image of a power behind the throne.

And in the meantime, much to Russia’s satisfaction, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is   still waiting for that critical White House meeting   with the American president: the famous “quid pro quo” for Zelensky announcing an investigation that would smear Democratic challenger Joe Biden. As yet, Zelensky hasn’t done that, and as yet, no meeting has been set.

Russian state television still views the impending impeachment as a bump in the road that won’t lead to Trump’s removal from office. But President Vladimir Putin’s propaganda brigades   enjoy   watching the heightened divisions in the United States, and how it hurts relations between the U.S. and Ukraine.

They’ve also added a cynical new a narrative filled with half-joking ironies as they look at the American president’s bleak prospects when he does leave office. 

Appearing on   Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev , Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director general of ITAR-TASS, Russia’s oldest and largest news agency,   predicted : “Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power. The next term or the term after that, it doesn’t matter... I have an even more unpleasant forecast for Trump. After the White House, he will face a very unhappy period.” 




“Russia's state television uses every opportunity to demoralize the Ukrainians with talking points based on Trump’s distaste for their beleaguered country.”



The host, Vladimir Soloviev, smugly asked: “Should we get another apartment in Rostov ready?” Soloviev’s allusion was to the situation of Viktor Yanukovych, former president of Ukraine, who was forced to flee to Russia in 2014 and settled in the city of Rostov-on-Don.

Such parallels between Yanukovych and Trump are being drawn not only because of their common association with Paul Manafort, adviser to the first, campaign chairman for the second, but also because Russian experts and politicians consider both of them to be openly pro-Kremlin. 

Tightly controlled Russian state-television programs constantly reiterate that Trump doesn’t care about Ukraine and gave Putin no reasons to even contemplate concessions in the run-up to the recent   Normandy Four summit   in Paris. 

State-television news shows use every opportunity to demoralize the Ukrainians with a set of talking points based on the U.S. president’s distaste for their beleaguered country. The host of   Who’s Against   on Rossiya-1, Dmitry Kulikov, along with pro-Kremlin guests, took repeated jabs at the Ukrainian panelist, boasting about the meeting between Trump and Lavrov. 

“There are no disagreements or contradictions between Trump and Russia,”   argued   Valery Korovin, director of the Center for Geopolitical Expertise, appearing on the state-television channel Rossiya-24. Korovin insisted that the Democrats in Congress are the main antagonists in the relationship between Russia and the United States.

Dmitry Kiselyov, the host of the Sunday news show   Vesti Nedeli ,   accused the Democrats   of joining forces with Hollywood, carrying out various conspiracies in order to undermine Trump’s popularity. Reporting for   Vesti Nedeli  from Washington, Mikhail Antonov   used the term   “the Cold War,” a fraught rhetorical twist to describe the clash between Trump and the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 years ago
“There are no disagreements or contradictions between Trump and Russia,”    argued   Valery Korovin, director of the Center for Geopolitical Expertise, appearing on the state-television channel Rossiya-24. Korovin insisted that the Democrats in Congress are the main antagonists in the relationship between Russia and the United States.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago

Yeah...it's called co-existing and living in peace. It seems the left in the US wants to start another cold war with Russia.

Have yet to see how Russia has helped Trump, since interfering in the 2016 election and changing votes charges have been debunked.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.1.1  katrix  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    5 years ago
interfering in the 2016 election and changing votes charges have been debunked.

Actually Russian interference has been proven. But right wing propaganda keeps lying so its low information audience believes whatever Trump wants them to think.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    5 years ago
Yeah...it's called co-existing and living in peace.

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KDMichigan
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1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago

LEFT BIAS
These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.  They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. 

Wow NT lets this be used as a news source? 

Shouldn't this be put under Satire?

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XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2    5 years ago

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Ed-NavDoc
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1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 years ago

It's called PROPAGANDA!

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    5 years ago

We hear for three years from the Democrats what unrivaled liars and manipulators the Russians are. But they put out an article saying something the Democrats want to hear and suddenly it's "Listen to these guys! They are speaking important truths!"

You're kidding, right?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4  bbl-1    5 years ago

I wonder what was discussed and agreed to ( if anything ) at Helsinki?  The body language and mannerisms of Putin and Trump as they exited the room revealed something not normal.

The wisest political move for Zelensky would be to interact with Trump as a 'fair weather friend' at best.

As far as Lavrov, he is a professional political manipulator and Trump is a manipulated non-professional. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  bbl-1 @4    5 years ago

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4    5 years ago

Still pushing your Helsinki conspiracy theory?

LMMFAO!

Can you get back to us when you have some FACTS--not "feelings" about what you GUESS went on? Give us a little something more than "body language" interpretations!

Say, are you a body language expert? What are your qualifications?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    5 years ago
Say, are you a body language expert? What are your qualifications?

Somebody flipped him of once and he got the message.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2    5 years ago

That is the problem.  There aren't any facts.  It is a secret known to only Trump and Putin.  The US translator was ordered to surrender her notes and not speak of anything said in the meeting by the US president.  And you do not find that...…...odd?

Perhaps you don't.  And that would certainly explain that, wouldn't it?

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.5  CB  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.1    5 years ago

And here you were talking about being more responsible. I guess you could'nt help yourself. Discussions with Russia are always complicated and tedious. Here is your Obama-Medvedev 'moment.'

Obama tells Medvedev he will have "more flexibility" after election

  1. There is a room full of people spread out.
  2. There are cameras everywhere attending the meeting.
  3. These world leaders "get it" by critics no matter what they say in the moment. Including Trump. Including when it is an innocuous exchange.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.4    5 years ago
That is the problem.  There aren't any facts. 

I agree, which is why I wonder why you are so full of speculation and guesses, and woefully short on ANY facts to back your absurd claims up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.4    5 years ago

You are always good for a laugh. After all, I love a good unfounded, blathering conspiracy theory!

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2.5    5 years ago
Including when it is an innocuous exchange.

You mean it's possible to have an "innocuous exchange" with a Russian? Or is that only for Democrats?

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.11  CB  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2.8    5 years ago

You're welcome! For the truth-for a good work, I do not condemn President Donald Trump. He is HIRED to serve all the citizens. It is when he is being a selfish, bombastic, lying, dishonest leader that violates truth, life, and the 'American Way' that I stick it to his rank ASS.

I hope we have an understanding about what 'trips' me with President Trump now. Nobody in their right mind should condemn another person for doing a good and righteous deed for all the people.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.12  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.10    5 years ago

What do you think, Taco? Form an opinion, not a jeer, and come back.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.2.13  Tacos!  replied to  CB @4.2.12    5 years ago

I felt it would be more polite and respectful to ask a question (like I did) and let you answer it rather than form an opinion for someone else.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.2.14  CB  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.13    5 years ago
You mean it's possible to have an "innocuous exchange" with a Russian? Or is that only for Democrats?

You would not be forming any opinion for me to answer your questions. Nothing in life is simply for one side or the other.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Didn't the Steele dossier teach you guys not to believe propaganda?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    5 years ago

Some of them still think it's true.

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.2  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    5 years ago
Some of them still think it's true.

Why don't you specifically point out all of the parts that have been proven untrue. 

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.4  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    5 years ago

Heck, since you all lost your bootstraps, here is something to read.   Its not all cut and dried, and there is plenty of meat.   Not all corroborated, but not disproven either.  Over time it will come out, when Trump can't stop the flow of information.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.5    5 years ago
Come back if ANYTHING is actually corroborated.  Ever.

"The dossier said the "Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to the WikiLeaks platform."

Proven.

"The dossier said that in return for Russia's help in dumping hacked emails damaging to the Clinton campaign, the "TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterize the subject."

The "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership was managed on the Trump side by the Republican candidate's campaign manager, Paul Manafort," the dossier added. In July 2016, while Manafort was still leading the campaign, a change was made to the Republican Party's platform on Ukraine."

Proven.

The dossier claimed that Russian agents were attempting to cultivate high level sources including Michael Flynn. Flynn of course plead guilty to lying to investigators about his call with Kislyak where he was telling the Russian ambassador not to worry about the new sanctions the Obama administration had just put in place in response to Russia's election meddling and that the new administration would discard them asap so there was no reason for Russia to retaliate.

Proven.

Much of the dossier was about Paul Manafort and virtually every claim the dossier made about him was proven accurate. He was taking money from pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs, he was deep in debt to Russian entities at the time he offered to work for free as Trumps campaign manager. He is now serving time for a litany of financial crimes including providing confidential polling data to pro-Russian oligarch Kilimnik as the dossier had alleged.

Proven.

Okay, so the pee tape wasn't ever proved and Cohens trip to Prague may not have happened (though Cohen admitted it was planned and he was working on the Trump Tower Moscow project as the dossier rightly claimed). Other than that, as lawfareblog claims, "The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven. The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence. He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments. The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product."

All the right wing noise about it being "fake" is just that, ignorant plug their ears and hum a song white noise so they can't hear the truth they desperately don't want to accept. What a sad may to live. I almost feel sorry for them, but then I see another mullet cow with a shirt that reads "Trump can Grab me by the pussy!" in scrawled sharpie and I realize they simply aren't worth any empathy.

 
 
 
katrix
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5.1.7  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.6    5 years ago
All the right wing noise about it being "fake" is just that, ignorant plug their ears and hum a song white noise so they can't hear the truth they desperately don't want to accept

That's why they watch Hannity and the other Fox entertainers and take them seriously. Why would anyone choose to listen to a liar rather than looking for facts? As you said, they desperately don't want to accept the truth.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.6    5 years ago

Wow!  Steele included some publicly available information in his reports!  

But one must ask, why have you  cited only  outdated click bait and partisan summaries and ignored the recent, comprehensive authority on the subject, the IG report? 

An honest person looking to assess the credibility of the dossier would simply cite the IG report.  But this is one of those tells that reveal alot about a person's intellecual honesty. Those who still defend the Steele dossier or claim Trump colluded with Russia are simply wignut conspiracy theorists, like 9/11 truthers. 

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.11  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.10    5 years ago

Still waiting for your proof.  What specifically is disproven?  DP cited a lot of facts from the dossier. 

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.12  lib50  replied to    5 years ago

Lol, you giving 'bootstraps' definition?  

Why don't you start by looking up how the right uses it? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.13    5 years ago

It is obvious that some people just cannot bring themselves to admit that the Horowitz report totally shreds the alleged veracity of the Steele Document. Even if they have actually read it, they are terrified that they might have to change their viewpoints and opinions. Many would rather chew on a mouthful of maggots than admit that thatvthe right was correct and that they were lied to by their liberal media and political masters. 

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.15  lib50  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.14    5 years ago

The Horowitz report doesn't shred anything.  It identified areas of concern in the fisa process and mistakes made.  It didn't disprove the Steele information.  The dossier is a collection of information, and plenty has been corroborated, not all but much of it, and it didn't impact the opening of the case.  Which was rightly opened. The problems were in the application process and that is legitimately a problem.  But nothing that vindicates Trump.  Barr's fake investigations show that he knows it doesn't.  The right keeps repeating Trump lies and trying to deflect from Trump's crimes. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  lib50 @5.1.15    5 years ago
It didn't disprove the Steele informatio

You don't think the IG detailing how Steele's sources told the FBI that  Steele misrepresented/made up  the information  Steele claims they told him disproves Steele's information?  Have some pride.

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.17  lib50  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.16    5 years ago

Steele collected information, he didn't make up anything.  He got information from various sources and it was handed over to Fusion GPS who commissioned it.  It was raw data, information. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  lib50 @5.1.17    5 years ago

Please read the report. His own sources deny providing him with the information that Steele claimed they did. This is all documented in the report. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lib50 @5.1.15    5 years ago

Thank you for proving my point.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @5.1.17    5 years ago
Steele collected information, he didn't make up anything.  He got information from various sources and it was handed over to Fusion GPS who commissioned it.  It was raw data, information.

Seems like much of it was unsubstantiated bullshit. Which the FBI failed to inform the FISA court of.  Anything and everything in that Steele dossier is suspect.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1.24  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.23    5 years ago

Yep.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    5 years ago

Well, of course Russian media wants to spin the picture.  The reality is that Sergey Lavrov is standing in the position of faithful manservant.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @6    5 years ago

That is the way I took it as well. Surprised some White House staffer didn't hand him a clean white towel and gloves to cap it off.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6.2  Tacos!  replied to  Nerm_L @6    5 years ago

Like maybe 30 seconds after this shot, the guy served Trump tea.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    5 years ago

It's a weird photo just because of the composition. It looks more like a snapshot taken before or after the real photo they were planning on using.

As for what it means, if you're so inclined, you make up any shit you want. Which of course is exactly what people did. Big surprise!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tacos! @7    5 years ago

Actually, that is a cardboard cutout of Lavrov strategically placed at just that spot by White House staff for effect....

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1    5 years ago

Ha! It does look like that. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8  It Is ME    5 years ago

"Russia’s State TV Calls Trump Their ‘Agent’"

Why does the "Left" keep believing what Russia says ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

And Trump is the "Agent" ? jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

Gosh… I read the following in the article:

"Appearing on   Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev , Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director general of ITAR-TASS, Russia’s oldest and largest news agency,   predicted : “Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power."

Russia "NEEDS" the Democrats back in power ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB  replied to  It Is ME @8    5 years ago

Frankly, democrats don't care what Russia needs. However, you are spinning a delusion anyway.  Trump still attempting to get Putin over for a visit to the White House?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  CB @8.1    5 years ago
Frankly, democrats don't care what Russia needs.

Sure they do !

Democrats "USE" whatever the Russians say against Trump....whenever they can !

Again I'll put this up:

"Appearing on   Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev , Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director general of ITAR-TASS, Russia’s oldest and largest news agency,   predicted : “Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power."

Do you deny what the "Russians" Said ?

Besides....Democrats have "Donuted" with Putin.....quite a few times !

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.2  CB  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.1    5 years ago

You're spinning. And more to the point - YOU SHOULD KNOW YOU ARE SPINNING.

And, of course, democrats will use whatever they can get THAT IS USEFUL and proves itself out against Trump and anybody else accordingly. So cut the crap that somehow and in some meaningful way, truth usage is "problematic."

Why the heaven would I deny that 'sooner or later the Democrats will come back into power'? Democrats will. And similarly the way the perpetual pendulum works so will Republicans. —Those are facts, It Is Me, not incriminations!

You have got to stop whatever it is you are doing, because context is your friend.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  CB @8.1.2    5 years ago
And, of course, democrats will use whatever they can get THAT IS USEFUL, and proves itself out against Trump and anybody else accordingly....

….to "Further" their next election bid.

Funny how "Whatever Is Useful"....is only a good thing for the "Left".

"Why the heaven would I deny that 'sooner or later the Democrats will come back into power'?"

Because "Russians" said so ! 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.4  CB  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.3    5 years ago

That word, "useful" usually means "based on truth" to people of good will. I won't tell you what that says about where your mind is. But all that said: This is getting tedious. Ta-ta for now.

"Clown" and 'blow smoke' with you later,

CB

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  CB @8.1.4    5 years ago
That word, "useful" usually means "based on truth"

No....it doesn't "Usually"... Mean that .....when it comes to politics. (I won't tell you what that says about where your mind is.) if that's what you think !jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
freepress
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10  freepress    5 years ago

Of course, because he is their agent, whether knowingly or not. A shady businessman, New York tycoon, Hollywood celebrity reality show host was never going to have a clue about serving the American people. He serves himself only and often other foreign adversaries reap the benefits of his self serving agenda.

 
 

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