Hold Your Donkeys, Trump Hasn’t Actually Been Impeached

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  it-is-me  •  8 months ago  •  243 comments

By:    https://defconnews.com/

Hold Your Donkeys, Trump Hasn’t Actually Been Impeached
Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

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I wanted to title this one: “Calm Yer Tits, Trump Hasn’t Actually Been Impeached” and if I drink a couple more beers I might change it. Yesterday the House democrats voted to impeach President Trump, but today House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she won’t submit the articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trial. A liberal Harvard law professor says that if Pelosi won’t submit the articles, the impeachment technically never happened. Apparently impeachment is a process that includes actually passing the articles along to the Senate and without that, the impeachment is just democrats throwing the world’s biggest temper tantrum.

Check this thing out that Harvard Law professor Noah Feldman wrote for Bloomberg today:

Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
Now that the House of Representatives has voted to impeach President Donald Trump, what is the constitutional status of the two articles of impeachment? Must they be transmitted to the Senate to trigger a trial, or could they be held back by the House until the Senate decides what the trial will look like, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi has hinted ?

…an indefinite delay would pose a serious problem. Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.

Now get ready for the punchline:

If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.

House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer announced on Thursday that the House was taking a break and there would be no votes until at least January 7, 2020. That means no “Impeachmass” for liberals to celebrate and, that for at least now, Trump hasn’t been impeached.

This gets even funnier because Constitutionnaly-speaking, the House is obligated to submit articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trail. If Pelosi refuses to send the articles over, Senate Majority leader could charge her with obstruction of Congress, which is one of the bullshit things democrats impeached Trump on in the first place.

One last observation:

Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are saying the articles of impeachment won’t be submitted until Senate Republicans make certain concessions. Doesn’t that qualify as quid pro quo/extortion/bribery? You know, the same thing that democrats accused President Trump of doing and for which they launched their impeachment/coup campaign against him?


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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    8 months ago

The Lefts Miracle that Never happened on Capital Hill !

Trump may NEVER be "Impeached". jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @1    8 months ago

Great thoughts this morning. Let's hide and watch our liberal friends go further into the batshit crazy world of "Yuh huh".

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    8 months ago

The "Siths" Revenge is incomplete. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1    8 months ago

Well done! Some haven't got the message yet, but you can be sure they'll be sitting around the dinner table trying to claim "oh ya he was impeached."  Nancy was in a little box and had to find an opening. It was fun to watch.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    8 months ago
It was fun to watch.

For sure !

I can hear the debate amongst the Democrats now:

"Do we really want Whistleblower Adam, Joe, and Hunter to have to testify this time" ? jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.1    8 months ago

Ya, for sure. It took one of their own - good old law professor Noah Feldman to point out the ugly truth. He's fun to watch too. Think of all those Dickens characters he resembles.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    8 months ago
Think of all those Dickens characters he resembles.

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1stwarrior
1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  It Is ME @1    8 months ago

256

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3    8 months ago

PERFECT ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    8 months ago

Is Moscow Mitch going to have to hold a real trial?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @2    8 months ago
Is Moscow Mitch going to have to hold a real trial?

No papers submitted ….so No....he won't.

A "real Trail" will not be good for Democrats in the house.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    8 months ago
A "real Trail " will not be good for Democrats in the house.

WOW !

What the hell does TRAIL have to do with this discussion anyway ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

"Spill-Chick" and "What-I-Meant Chick"...….really sucks. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Make that Trial ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.3  KDMichigan  replied to  JBB @2    8 months ago

Like the one demented Nancy held in the house? The left thinking they can make demands on the Senate is Hillaryious.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.4  MAGA  replied to  JBB @2    8 months ago

To Nancy Pelosi and the pro impeachment house democrats:  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.5  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @2    8 months ago
Is Moscow Mitch going to have to hold a real trial?

Only if Geriatric Pelosi submits the Articles of Impeachment.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.5.1  Transyferous Rex  replied to  XDm9mm @2.5    8 months ago

They will be transmitted. But they aren't waiting on the Senate to set the rules. They are waiting on something else...maybe Durham's pending report.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.5.2  Ronin2  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.5.1    8 months ago

You might be right. A distraction for the fallout of the report. Something to divert media.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.5.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Ronin2 @2.5.2    8 months ago

May not be Durham's report, but it is something other than the BS they are blaming the delay on. Everyone already knows what the result in the Senate is going to be, regardless of what the rules played by are.

So there is no point in delaying, other than taking the opportunity to cry foul, and hide behind their facade of fairness and integrity. Play the victim card now (which is par), and hold impeachment for a time when it will either compete with negative press, or add fuel to something else. By itself, it is a jon boat without the plug, paddles, or outboard. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
3  Sunshine    8 months ago

Democrats, for three years, have been demonstrating to the entire world their complete ignorance and incompetence, but I am sure their base will follow along like good little comrades.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @3    8 months ago

The projection is strong in the republicons  

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago

When will you learn?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.1    8 months ago

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XDm9mm
3.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    8 months ago

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Sunshine
3.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.3    8 months ago

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XDm9mm
3.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.4    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
3.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    8 months ago

It's not projection if it really happens.  You've all been good little lemmings for 3 years.  Why stop now.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Sunshine @3    8 months ago
their complete ignorance and incompetence,

They have been doing it a lot longer than that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  Tessylo    8 months ago

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It Is ME
4.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

The "Anger" is strong in you !

 I can feel your anger.  Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!

256

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    8 months ago

LOL.. I was thinking the same thing. Time to chill and enjoy the holidays..

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Kathleen @4.1.1    8 months ago
LOL.. I was thinking the same thing. Time to chill and enjoy the holidays..

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Tessylo
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.2    8 months ago

jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif I was thinking the same thing.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.4  MAGA  replied to  It Is ME @4.1    8 months ago

I was thinking that very line from Star Wars episode VI!

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

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Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.1  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2    8 months ago

[Deleted]

[Your comment to tessy was personal]

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.1    8 months ago

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Sunshine
4.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.2    8 months ago

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It Is ME
4.2.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Sunshine @4.2.3    8 months ago

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It Is ME
4.2.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @4.2.4    8 months ago

Longest line dance on NT !

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.6  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.1    8 months ago
[Your comment to tessy was personal]

Uh, I won't deny that since it is obvious by her post that she was talking about herself...and I agreed with her post, so Hell Yeah it was personal--just the way she made it ! Kind of like if I said  "I'm ugly", and you agreed with me, does that mean you're a bad person for agreeing with me that I'm ugly? Did YOU do anything wrong by agreeing with me???

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.7  MAGA  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.6    8 months ago

I once got a skirting for agreeing with a poster in like manner.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

Yup, that I believe.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3    8 months ago

Or whenever the shitstain 'president's ugly fucking turd face shows up on the news.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    8 months ago

I see the maturity of the losing class is coming out in full force.  Guess the Dems/Libs will never really learn.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.3.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    8 months ago
Or whenever the shitstain 'president's ugly fucking turd face shows up on the news. 

Butt, Butt………….. Feldman ?

 
 
 
MAGA
4.3.4  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    8 months ago

Check out my avatar and let go!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

Temper, temper Tessy.  you'll have a stroke if you're not careful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @4.4    8 months ago

Your concern is most appreciated [Deleted]  

 
 
 
Sunshine
4.6  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

320

lol

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @4.6    8 months ago

512

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

So mature....

 
 
 
MAGA
4.9  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

How adult like and mature.  I’m so unimpressed .  

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.10  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @4    8 months ago

How very adult of you

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  Tessylo    8 months ago

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Tessylo
6  Tessylo    8 months ago

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It Is ME
6.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6    8 months ago

Kids do the darndest thing. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

The first time was funny jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif ....now it's just Trolling. sheeeesh. jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    8 months ago
'now it's just Trolling'

You would know

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    8 months ago
You would know

Much better ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    8 months ago

No Value [sandy-2021492

The comment was about the Picture/GIF provided.

Was it not a "Kid" shooting the bird out of the car window ?

Sheeeeesh ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.3    8 months ago

THANK YOU ! jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpgjrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.4    8 months ago

You're welcome.  In future, please explain yourself via chat or private notes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @6.1    8 months ago

You and your buddies can dish it out but can't take it.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.6    8 months ago

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It Is ME
6.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.7    8 months ago
You and your buddies can dish it out but can't take it.  

Now your just trying to hurt my feelings. jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.8    8 months ago
Maybe moderators should ask Via Chat or Private notes, before deleting ?

That is a GREAT idea................I've had a few times where it was misjudged (and probably flagged by a malcontent). 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.10    8 months ago
I've had a few times where it was misjudged 

I had a "Huuuuuge" one the other day.

I'm "Anti"worst case...…. like EVER.....apparently !

 
 
 
loki12
6.1.12  loki12  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.11    8 months ago

I had one deleted 3 times by the same moderator.......

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  loki12 @6.1.12    8 months ago
I had one deleted 3 times by the same moderator.......

Deletes are subjective based on Iffy personal comments against one another on blogs, which I understand , but when it's a total Misinterpretation of ones post , that's another matter....and can be "Serious" ! jrSmiley_104_smiley_image.jpg  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.13    8 months ago

OK guys, this is all meta and belongs in Metafied. I will answer all questions there. Please, no more on this thread. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.14    8 months ago

No more meta. Final warning. Points next time. 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
6.1.18  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.14    8 months ago

The door has opened...

Just posted an article to Metafied so we can hash it out there.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.19  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @6.1.18    8 months ago
Just posted an article to Metafied so we can hash it out there

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Ed-NavDoc
6.1.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.11    8 months ago

Same here. I had one flagged and deleted by a moderator after the seed had been locked! 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.9    8 months ago

Sticks and stones.. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
6.1.23  Jasper2529  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1.20    8 months ago

Ditto. I also had one of my locked seeds deleted by a moderator this past summer during the time I was offline for 8 weeks.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7  1stwarrior    8 months ago

Technically, he is not impeached until the Senate holds their hearing/trial and vote to approve the "recommendation/order" of impeachment.  Right now, all they have is the "recommendation/order" from the House that he be impeached.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
7.1  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @7    8 months ago
Technically, he is not impeached until the Senate holds their hearing/trial and vote to approve the "recommendation/order" of impeachment.

Not sure what country you're from, but not true in this one.  House impeaches, Senate removes.

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @7.1    8 months ago

For Trump to be impeached in the House the House must present articles of impeachment to the Senate. As per the article Trump isn't impeached in the House so long as Nancy doesn't forward them on.

 
 
 
loki12
8  loki12    8 months ago

If Mitch wants to call her bluff he just needs to change the Senate rules, he has the power to do that, all he has to say is the Senate will start the impeachment trial X number of days after the vote in the house,  then the trial will be based on the evidence presented. if no evidence is presented the charges are dismissed......Check Mate.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1  Tacos!  replied to  loki12 @8    8 months ago
all he has to say is the Senate will start the impeachment trial X number of days after the vote in the house

From what I can see, he could already get things started. I see no reason that he has to wait for anything else from the House. The House has voted to approve articles of impeachment. The Speaker has said from her podium in the House that the articles are approved. I am not aware of anything in the Constitution that requires more for the Senate to proceed. 

The House rules talk about appointing managers and informing the Senate via a resolution.

Following the adoption of a resolution to impeach, the House appoints managers to conduct the impeachment trial in the Senate. The Senate is then informed of these facts by resolution. Manual §607; Deschler Ch 14 §9. When this resolution reaches the Senate, the Senate advises the House as to when the Senate will receive the managers appointed by the House. The managers then present themselves and the impeachment articles to the Senate, the House reserving the right to file additional articles later. Manual §608a; Deschler Ch 14 §§ 10, 11.

However, all of this is just House procedure. Constitutionally, is the Senate required to wait for all of this? I have no idea. I suppose if they wanted to fight about it, we could end up in the Supreme Court.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2  Ozzwald  replied to  loki12 @8    8 months ago

If Mitch wants to call her bluff he just needs to change the Senate rules, he has the power to do that, all he has to say is the Senate will start the impeachment trial X number of days after the vote in the house,  then the trial will be based on the evidence presented. if no evidence is presented the charges are dismissed......Check Mate.

What you are claiming would change House rules for impeachment submission by the House, he cannot do that.  Senate does not come into effect until the House submits the impeachment to them, until that point it is business as usual (technically).

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2    8 months ago
Senate does not come into effect until the House submits the impeachment to them

Maybe let Nancy and Chuck know that. They're trying to set other "Rules" they want the Senate to follow (That should go well).

 
 
 
loki12
8.2.2  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2    8 months ago
Senate does not come into effect until the House submits the impeachment to them,

That is only because that's how the rules in the Senate are now, Mitch can change them to....The Senate will start the trial X number of days after the vote. that in no way changes the house rules and he will then abort the baby, if you will, if Nancy hasn't provided the bill.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  It Is ME @8.2.1    8 months ago
Maybe let Nancy and Chuck know that. They're trying to set other "Rules" they want the Senate to follow

They are trying to get McConnell to hold a proper trial over the charges, they are not directly trying to change Senate rules and policies.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  loki12 @8.2.2    8 months ago
That is only because that's how the rules in the Senate are now

Correct, Senate cannot act until the House completes their part of the process.

Mitch can change them to

No he cannot, he can change Senate procedures, not House procedures, and he cannot over ride the Constitution on how it is handled.  When the House is done, it is in his and the Senate's hands, not before.

The Senate will start the trial X number of days after the vote.

No he cannot.  Without the articles of impeachment, the Senate has nothing to have a trial over. 

It is like trying to put a bank robber on trial, before he is charged with anything.  It just doesn't work that way.

that in no way changes the house rules and he will then abort the baby, if you will, if Nancy hasn't provided the bill.

What bill?  What are you talking about?

The articles of impeachment are equivalent to criminal charges (except political not criminal), you cannot have a trial until there are charges, and you don't have charges until the House submits them.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.2.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2.3    8 months ago
They are trying to get McConnell to hold a proper trial over the charges

That they agree with. Period. It doesn't work that way.

 
 
 
loki12
8.2.6  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2.4    8 months ago

He absolutely can set a time table. And if period. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.2.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2.3    8 months ago
They are trying to get McConnell to hold a proper trial over the charges

Dems ran the show in the House...Repubs run the show in the Senate. And that's just the way it is. Nancy has as much say over the Senate procedures, as Mitch did over the house procedures.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
8.2.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2.3    8 months ago
They are trying to get McConnell to hold a proper trial over the charges,

It's not within Pelosi's or Schumer's purview to dictate to McConnell what is "proper" or how he should run his Senate procedures.

they are not directly trying to change Senate rules and policies.

Yes, they are. Pelosi and her House were in such a rush to impeach because they felt Trump was such a "threat to national security" are now sitting on their articles of impeachment and won't present them to the US Senate.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9  1stwarrior    8 months ago

So many folks have really forgotten their Civics 101 class that explains the powers of the House and the Senate.

The Constitution did not vest the House of Representatives with the power to complete any legislative actionapart from its powers provided elsewhere within Article I—to issue rules for its internal governance, to judge its members’ elections and returns and qualifications, and to expel members for disorderly conduct, as provided elsewhere. Even with its “sole” power to impeach, the House may only initiate a legislative action but it must depend on the Senate to complete the job, whether it entails enacting a law or convicting and removing a high-ranking official, such as the President, for serious misconduct in office.

So, please Nancy and children - go back to high school, your freshman year, and revisit your Civics 101 class.  In Impeachment, you guys only RECOMMEND - you do not complete the action - that is the Senate's job.

 
 
 
Sunshine
9.1  Sunshine  replied to  1stwarrior @9    8 months ago

You would think the Congressional Dems who invoke the Constitution in every statement would be more educated on it.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
10  Mark in Wyoming    8 months ago

mitch doesn't have to do a thing, until the articles are transmitted to the senate , it is an incomplete process, read that it is unfinished and attempted even if they have voted for the articles .

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

I think Pelosi is starting to realize how stupid this ploy was. The idea that she had any leverage here is preposterous.   All she has done is undercut the very rationale for the hurried  impeachment process.  

She'll think of some reason that justifies her submitting the documents as soon as Congress comes back after the new year without any action by McConnell in the interim. . 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
11.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    8 months ago
All she has done is undercut the very rationale for the hurried impeachment process.  

I simply have to make one minor correction to the above as I note below.

'All she has done is undercut the very rationale for the ENTIRE impeachment process.'

 
 
 
Jasper2529
11.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    8 months ago
I think Pelosi is starting to realize how stupid this ploy was. The idea that she had any leverage here is preposterous.   

She was pressured by radical, socialist The Squad and others like them. I remember when Pelosi said that Trump's impeachment "must" be bipartisan ... what happened to that? I also remember Nadler's and Pelosi's words in 1998 -- bipartisan impeachment then, too (videos on the Internet).

 
 
 
lib50
12  lib50    8 months ago

Lol.  Looks like some panties in a wad over Pelosi holding back the articles of impeachment.  He has to go through the rest of the year impeached and no acquittal.  More time for his misdeeds to come out too.  And they are.

The gop better prepare for the next shoe to drop.  Trump believe Putin over America.  In his private Putin meetings, Putin manipulated Trump as the fine KGB agent he was and is, and Trump bought the lie about Ukraine interfering in 2016 and not Russia. 

And the evangelical christian magazine came and said dump Trump.  The reckoning is coming.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
12.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @12    8 months ago
He has to go through the rest of the year impeached and no acquittal.  

Didn't read the posted article? Here. Let me help you not look uninformed.

From the article posted....................

"Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

Now that the House of Representatives has voted to impeach President Donald Trump, what is the constitutional status of the two articles of impeachment? Must they be transmitted to the Senate to trigger a trial, or could they be held back by the House until the Senate decides what the trial will look like, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi has hinted ?

…an indefinite delay would pose a serious problem. Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.

Now get ready for the punchline:
If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all. 

Sorry. Hope I didn't ruin your Holiday........................

 
 
 
Jasper2529
12.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1    8 months ago
Now get ready for the punchline:If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all. 

A further punchline is that the House's articles of impeachment (bogus as they are) can be expunged from federal/constitutional/Trump records if Nancy doesn't move her ass on this. Pelosi lobbed the ball into Mitch's court and doesn't understand that he plays 3-D chess while she, the self-anointed "master legislator", is still trying to figure out how to play "Go Fish".

 
 
 
loki12
12.1.2  loki12  replied to  Jasper2529 @12.1.1    8 months ago

Exactly, Mitch can set a timeline and tell the dumb bitch to put up or shut up. the level three democrats will cheer her ignorance.

 
 
 
lib50
12.1.3  lib50  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1    8 months ago

Oh, hell no, because those little details don't really matter at this particular moment, we are still in the middle of the process.  Its all over the headlines and news, and it won't go away.  He is impeached by the house.  It may not be completed yet, but he is still impeached until the election until the senate goes through the trial.  Trump is impeached, he knows it and so do the rest of us.  So you stay with the punchline and we will stay in the moment, which is after Trump was impeached by the house and awaits trial.  Trump will always be an impeached president, no matter what happens in the future, in the minds of the world.

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @12.1.3    8 months ago

Some of us recognize the futility of the Democrats impeaching Trump.

 We know it goes nowhere.

We wonder why Democrats haven't learned anything.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
12.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  lib50 @12.1.3    8 months ago
He is impeached by the house. 

That is incorrect. Per the US Consitution ...

Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats

In case you question Feldman's article, do note that he was selected by Jerry Nadler (D-NY) to testify to the House Judiciary Committee.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
12.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @12.1.3    8 months ago
Oh, hell no, because those little details don't really matter at this particular moment, we are still in the middle of the process.

Exactly. You just shit in your own mess kit. Key word, MIDDLE

we will stay in the moment

Of course you  will. THAT is absolutely no surprise.......

Trump will always be an impeached president, no matter what happens in the future, in the minds of the world.

So you don't care about the process then. Not surprised. You have had him convicted in the court of liberal delusion for over two years. Good to know. As long as it helps you sleep at night, who am I to take that away. And I doubt the world gives much of a damn at this point...........or any other for that matter. He is still POTUS and will be for more than a year.........and perhaps and hopefully, beyond.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
12.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.4    8 months ago

It's that horse and water thing again!

 
 
 
It Is ME
12.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @12    8 months ago
Looks like some panties in a wad over Pelosi holding back the articles of impeachment.

Hell no !

She can hold them as long as she wants for all I care.

All that means is "Trump isn't Impeached". jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Jokes on YOU ! No "Impeachmas" this year.  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif  

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.3  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @12    8 months ago
Lol.  Looks like some panties in a wad over Pelosi holding back the articles of impeachment.  He has to go through the rest of the year impeached and no acquittal.  More time for his misdeeds to come out too.  And they are.

Democrats have been working for 2 1/2 years on impeachment, and now Nancy has cold feet? LMMFAO!

 
 
 
lib50
12.3.1  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @12.3    8 months ago

Cold feet?  Lol, no, and if you had better sources you would know what is going on. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @12.3.1    8 months ago

Yes, very good, you got the part about cold feet--almost!

If it is so cut and dried as Democrats would have us all believe, what is the freaking hold up? Isn't 2 1/2 years long enough to work on it?

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.3.3  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @12.3    8 months ago

Pelosi is just playing games right now. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @12.3.3    8 months ago

I think Pelosi recognizes she made a fatal error in judgment, succumbing to the radicals in her party.

Now the genie is out of the bottle and she will have trouble putting it back.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
12.3.5  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @12.3.1    8 months ago
Lol, no, and if you had better sources you would know what is going on. 

Well plz inform us of your talking points, so far you have failed miserably of discrediting the seeded article.

 
 
 
lib50
12.3.6  lib50  replied to  KDMichigan @12.3.5    8 months ago

Damn internet, raining here for days and keep losing internet connection.  Have to answer later

 
 
 
KDMichigan
12.3.7  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @12.3.6    8 months ago

Maybe take notes from CNN?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
12.3.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @12.3.3    8 months ago

She has no choice now. She can't go back and she can't really go forward!

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.4  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @12    8 months ago

The house has presented its case and is asking for impeachment. Nothing is final until it goes to the senate. So it’s an incomplete transaction. 

 
 
 
lib50
12.4.1  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @12.4    8 months ago

That is correct, it is still in the middle of the process.  But until its over, he is impeached by the house.  Not sure how well that timetable minutia will impact that fact.  So we are still in the middle of the impeachment process, and when its competed he will still be impeached by the house.  Just like Clinton was.  We are just in the middle of a protracted process where Trump has been impeached by the house. 

As for games, well, can we speak to the games of Trump and the witnesses and information he refuses to make public?  Seems weird to ignore all the games gop plays and hone in on Pelosi holding on the the papers longer than Trump wants.

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.4.2  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @12.4.1    8 months ago

He is only impeached by the Democrats, not the other half. Plus, it’s also important what the voters think come election time. It could go either way.

 
 
 
lib50
12.4.3  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @12.4.2    8 months ago

He is impeached by the HOUSE.  And I think the veil is finally starting to lift, the evangelicals are cracking.  And a whole lot of Russia influence over Trump information is starting to come out.  I know the republicans are also taking up the Putin propaganda lines of defense, but its not being accepted anymore.  Trump is such a tool he is easily manipulated, and KGB would know just how to maximize their assets. WaPo has been right about the Ukraine extortion from the beginning and now they are on top of the Trump/Putin relationship.  Read their article about Putin's influence.    I doubt Trump will be getting more support from anybody, he only seems to care about his base, and hes not adding to it, he's getting defections now.  The more information that comes out, the worse it is for Trump.  Which is why he tries so hard to keep everything secret.  Another reason I question conservatives and why they don't care.

 
 
 
Kathleen
12.4.4  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @12.4.3    8 months ago

The House is all Democrats though.

I think they hated Trump from the very beginning. Nothing would ever change, even if he cured cancer they would find fault with that. Understand what I mean?

I don’t hate him, I just disagree with some things about him. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
12.4.5  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @12.4.3    8 months ago

Still haven't read the article. Until the House formally turns over the two articles to the Senate Trump is not impeached in the House. The House needs to complete the process. Too bad they shot their damn wad w/o getting key evidence to prove their point. They couldn't get one of their damn witnesses to even admit Trump committed a crime.

Trump, Trump. Trump, Trump. Russians, Russians, Russians, Russians. Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Bullshit for over two years by the Democrats and counting. Can't prove shit, Trump Derangement Dementia Deaf & Dumb Syndrome is getting so bad on the left it is time to come up with another D.

The only politician guilty of extorting Ukraine is Biden. He even admitted it in public; but the Democrats aren't concerned about him.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
12.4.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @12.4.4    8 months ago

Kathleen, you are 110% right on the money! Thank you for being one of the few voices of reason on this thread.

 
 
 
pat wilson
14  pat wilson    8 months ago

Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

We now have an IMPOTUS.

Thank you George Conway, .lol.

 
 
 
loki12
14.1  loki12  replied to  pat wilson @14    8 months ago
George Conway,

It's sad that Mr. Kelly Ann Conway try's so desperately to remain relevant. I just heard the hostess here call "Petty Bitch party of one" Maybe Mr. Kelly Ann Conway is having lunch here?

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  pat wilson @14    8 months ago
We now have an IMPOTUS.

Not yet !

 
 
 
pat wilson
14.2.1  pat wilson  replied to  It Is ME @14.2    8 months ago

Sorry, trump has been impeached. He has not been tried on the articles but he has in fact been impeached.

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.2.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.1    8 months ago
Sorry, trump has been impeached.

No he hasn't !

Nancy's holding up the REQUIRED" paperwork !

Like in "Real Life", unless the "important Paper Work" has been filed for the records....it doesn't exist.

 
 
 
Ender
14.2.3  Ender  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.1    8 months ago

Hilarious that this is what they are going to hang their hat on.

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.2.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @14.2.3    8 months ago
Hilarious that this is what they are going to hang their hat on.

The Democrats "Used" him as a "Main Witness" in "Their Impeachment Trial".

Are you saying what he now says, should be ignored ?

 
 
 
Ender
14.2.5  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @14.2.4    8 months ago

What are you talking about.

I was referring to the fact that some seem to be in denial. Like the papers Pelosi needs to bring to the senate will magically disappear.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
14.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.1    8 months ago
Sorry, trump has been impeached. He has not been tried on the articles but he has in fact been impeached.

Impeachment is only a formal way of making an allegation. 

Formal written allegations of the causes that warrant the criminal trial of a public official before a quasi-political court. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/articles+of+impeachment
 
 
 
lib50
14.2.7  lib50  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.2.6    8 months ago

Odd how often I've heard republicans call out Clinton as impeached.  As does history.  As it will for Trump.  You can twist and turn trying to find this good for Trump all you want.  It will be what it is.  He will go down in history books and the third president in history who was impeached, when this process has been completed. 

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.8  loki12  replied to  lib50 @14.2.7    8 months ago

That's because the articles of impeachment were delivered to the house, Again, not sure where you are getting your info but they are liars!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
14.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @14.2.7    8 months ago
when this process has been completed.

And there you, and we, have it. WHEN COMPLETED being the operative words.

You pooped on your own comment..............again.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
14.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @14.2.7    8 months ago

NO-JOB-IS-FINISHED-UNTIL-THE-PAPERWORK-IS-DONEqVc0o.jpg

 
 
 
pat wilson
14.2.11  pat wilson  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.2.6    8 months ago
Impeachment is only a formal way of making an allegation. 

Then you agree he's been impeached.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
14.2.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.11    8 months ago
Then you agree he's been impeached.

not until the process is complete.

investigators have to send their evidence to court or nothing happens

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
14.2.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  lib50 @14.2.7    8 months ago

He will also most likely be the third to be impeached, remain in office, and finish his term just the previous two. Like it or not, impeachment never guarantees the removal from office the left so desperately craves!

 
 
 
pat wilson
14.2.14  pat wilson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @14.2.13    8 months ago
be the third to be impeached, remain in office, and finish his term

That's been a foregone conclusion for the past 3 months, at least.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
14.2.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.14    8 months ago

Obviously not to many of the hard core progressive leftist liberals posting on NT.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.2.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.11    8 months ago
Then you agree he's been impeached.

It will forever be known as an impeachment in name only, an entirely partisan effort motivated by hate and btw when the Republicans win back the House they could expunge it. The House once expunged Andrew Jackson's censure. It could be done with an impeachment like this one. Dosen't that just gall ya?

If I was the Senate leader I would schedule the Senate trial for the week of the Iowa Caucus.

 
 
 
pat wilson
14.2.17  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.2.16    8 months ago
Dosen't that just gall ya?

Lol, are you a docent at a gallery ?

No, it doesn't gall me, it will live forever in history. You can't un-ring that bell.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.2.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.17    8 months ago
Lol, are you a docent at a gallery ?

Aw shucks....I just believe in common decency.


You can't un-ring that bell.

So said Louis Bloom.

 
 
 
pat wilson
14.2.19  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.2.18    8 months ago
Louis Bloom.

Doesn't ring a bell...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14.2.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @14.2.19    8 months ago

"Nightcrawlers".  If you haven't seen it you should.

 
 
 
lib50
14.2.21  lib50  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.2.9    8 months ago

Do you not read?  I've said from the beginning we are in the middle of a process.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
14.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  pat wilson @14    8 months ago
Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official.

no charges are leveled until the paperwork is done.

 when will pelosi finish filing the statement of charges against the official?

 
 
 
charger 383
15  charger 383    8 months ago

If she can hold the paperwork, so can McConnell

 
 
 
lib50
15.1  lib50  replied to  charger 383 @15    8 months ago

We all know Moscow Mitch has no problem holding up bills, paperwork, legislation, hearings.......so that was a given going in. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @15.1    8 months ago

Did you have a point to make about impeachment in there anywhere?

 
 
 
lib50
15.1.2  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @15.1.1    8 months ago

I believe I did, but if you want me to say more about it, ok.  I was specifically answering charger.

Trump has been IMPEACHED by the house, we are still in the middle of the IMPEACHMENT PROCESS, and when the senate does whatever it does, Trump will forever be the 3rd IMPEACHED PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
15.1.3  Sunshine  replied to  lib50 @15.1.2    8 months ago
Trump has been IMPEACHED by the house,

I read that 10,393 Constitutional Scholars signed a letter stating that Trump is not impeached yet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @15.1.2    8 months ago

So the fuck what?

So Democrats threw a hissy fit.

BFD.

 
 
 
Kathleen
15.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @15.1.2    8 months ago

If he gets acquitted by the senate, is he still impeached?

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.7  Ender  replied to    8 months ago

Oh good. That means Clinton was never impeached.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
15.1.8  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.5    8 months ago
If he gets acquitted by the senate, is he still impeached?

YES!

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.7    8 months ago
That means Clinton was never impeached.

What does the "Records" show ?

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.10  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.9    8 months ago

The records will show what happened. Not act like it never existed.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.10    8 months ago
The records will show what happened. Not act like it never existed.

For Clinton ?

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.12  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.11    8 months ago

I don't see people denying Clinton was impeached.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.12    8 months ago
I don't see people denying Clinton was impeached.

Maybe do your own article about "That Subject" ?

Right now...one of the Democrats "Star Witness's" is saying "Trump isn't Impeached" !

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.14  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.13    8 months ago

Do you actually think Pelosi would let that happen? It is a done deal as far as the house is concerned.

Both the house and senate are now in recess.

Hanging on a technicality, saying not a done deal yet, only sounds like wishful thinking.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.15  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.14    8 months ago
It is a done deal as far as the house is concerned.

Submitting the final orders to the Senate..... would make it final for the house. Until then, it's just sitting in Limbo !

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.16  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.15    8 months ago

And yet it isn't going to go away.

 
 
 
lib50
15.1.17  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.5    8 months ago

Well, do they call Clinton the second impeached president?  Yes.  So yes, Trump will be too.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.18  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.16    8 months ago
And yet it isn't going to go away.

*Trump Impeached by Vote in Democrat led House - Democrat House Leader never finalizes action. Trump Re-Elected in 2020.

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.19  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.18    8 months ago

Do you actually think they will never send it to the senate?

Like I said, just sounds like wishful thinking.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.20  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.19    8 months ago
Do you actually think they will never send it to the senate?

Not Sure....they're now "Thinking" about it. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

It was an "Emergency" after all. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Could open up a Huge can of worms they don't want if they do.

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.21  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.20    8 months ago

It is held up because the senate leader won't show what he is going to do.

I think it would open a can of worms they don't want if they don't do it.

I really don't think they would go through all of this just to let it die.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.22  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.21    8 months ago
It is held up because the senate leader won't show what he is going to do.

It has nothing to do with the Senate Leader. It's up to the "House" to elect their own Impeachment mangers to sit down with the Senate and work all that detailing out. Nancy won't do that until she gets an answer to the Senates Procedures ! It doesn't work that way, and the Senate Leader knows that. So he isn't required to do anything.

 
 
 
Kathleen
15.1.23  Kathleen  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @15.1.8    8 months ago

LOL, I got a yes and no...

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.24  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.22    8 months ago

He knows exactly what he is doing. With of course coordination with the Whitehouse.

“When we see the process that is set forth in the Senate, then we’ll know the number of managers that we may have to go forward and who we will choose,” Mrs. Pelosi said Link
 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.25  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.24    8 months ago
With of course coordination with the Whitehouse.

Back in the 90's...Schumer was all for working with the Whitehouse during Clintons Impeachment.

"Any fair process would be consulting the White House, because it’s the president who’s the defendant, and due process would guarantee him fairness,” Schumer said in 1999."

 
 
 
Ender
15.1.26  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.25    8 months ago

Ain't it funny how they all switched roles.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.27  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @15.1.26    8 months ago
Ain't it funny how they all switched roles.

Yep !

It's politics. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

No matter what Nancy tries to do, this one will end up no different than Bill Clintons Impeachment ended up (Senate Votes for Not removing from office). What's going to be the most funny is, Trump Impeached by the house in 2019, Elected back as President in 2020. 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
15.1.28  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.23    8 months ago

The Senate acquitted Bill, and if the trial goes through in the Senate and Trump is acquitted, he too will have been impeached. Until there is a hearing in the Senate though, the impeachment process hasn't been completed so technically he hasn't been impeached

. Articles have been drawn up, it is in process, but legally, he still hasn't been impeached

 
 
 
Kathleen
15.1.29  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @15.1.17    8 months ago

Okay.. how is your Christmas going? First one in different house. Feels strange.

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.1.30  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.5    8 months ago
If he gets acquitted by the senate, is he still impeached?

Yes.  Impeachment is the formal bringing of charges to initiate a trial.

Once the House delivers articles of impeachment to the Senate, Trump is officially impeached.   When he is acquitted he will remain in office, but remains impeached.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
15.1.31  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.30    8 months ago
 When he is acquitted he will remain in office, but remains impeached.

so what? it accomplishes nothing of value.

we will still re-elect him.

standing up to the lefts BS will only make him stronger.

"I will gladly take all those slings and arrows for you." - donald trump

just another promise kept :)

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.1.32  TᵢG  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15.1.31    8 months ago
so what? it accomplishes nothing of value.

Correct.   It will be go on record as a strictly partisan impeachment and the grounds will be forever questioned by historians.

Did you miss the point of my comment?   I was answering a question on the meaning of impeachment.

 
 
 
Kathleen
15.1.33  Kathleen  replied to  TᵢG @15.1.32    8 months ago

As far as history, the Democrats will talk about it one way and the Republicans will talk about it in another way. So it does not really matter. It only divides the country more. That’s all it will do.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
15.1.34  Jasper2529  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.5    8 months ago
If he gets acquitted by the senate, is he still impeached?

There are several "ifs" ...

If Pelosi doesn't file the House's two (unconstitutional) Articles of Impeachment with the US Senate, Trump is still not impeached. She's put the brakes on the legal process, because she and Schumer are trying to control McConnell's Senate procedures. By law, they're not allowed to do this.

If Pelosi doesn't file the Articles with the Senate soon, Trump's Articles of Impeachment can be legally expunged from federal documents and records.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
15.1.35  1stwarrior  replied to  Jasper2529 @15.1.34    8 months ago

Not to mention that she has already "officially" asked him to give his State of the Union address.

Talk about putting the brakes on.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
15.1.36  Jasper2529  replied to  1stwarrior @15.1.35    8 months ago
Not to mention that she has already "officially" asked him to give his State of the Union address.

I wonder if she knows that FDR was the first president to give a SOTU address in the House chamber - it's 20th century thing. The Constitution doesn't specify where or when the POTUS gives his speech.

If he really wanted to stick it to Pelosi, he could give it from the Oval Office and have it broadcast nationally and worldwide. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.33    8 months ago

Yup

 
 
 
lib50
15.1.38  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.29    8 months ago
how is your Christmas going? First one in different house. Feels strange.

It is definitely strange!  Got rid of a lot of old decorations when we moved and didn't get a tree this year (we did light up the big one in the front though).  We had over 2 days straight of rain until yesterday!  It was a record for here too, and we did have intermittent internet problems during that time.  I just see the sun behind the fog now, its the first time in days! 

How are you doing in your new place?  I mostly miss my friends, I lived in California most of my life and left it all there, so taking baby steps to settle in here, its more rural so not meeting people as easily.

 
 
 
Kathleen
15.1.39  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @15.1.38    8 months ago

Doing good, we live 5 miles from the ocean so it’s a little warmer and very little snow. I can’t find all my Christmas stuff, we downsized and we got rid of so many things. 

I know it must be hard leaving your friends. 

I hope you have a nice Christmas. 

 
 
 
lib50
15.1.40  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @15.1.39    8 months ago

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.

 
 
 
Kathleen
16  Kathleen    8 months ago

Trump is only impeached by the Democrats. 

I often wonder how the Democrats would feel if Trump was a Democratic President. Would they still want to impeach him? Would they still hate him as much as they do?

He was not my choice, but I was willing to give him a try. Some didn’t want to do that. 

Let me put it to you this way, if the Democrats hate you, look out!

 
 
 
lib50
16.1  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @16    8 months ago

We all had to 'give him a try'.  He has been the same from the beginning.  Incompetent, narcissistic, liar and very very fond of Putin. 

I would feel the same about any president of any party that acted like Trump.  Clinton had the balls to go through the process over a blow job.  Clinton took the process seriously even when he didn't like it.  He freaking gave them his DNA!!  We can't even get Trump's tax returns!  And Trump believes Putin over the USA.  I find that most concerning, to be honest. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
16.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
Clinton had the balls to go through the process over a blow job. 

He didn't have a choice.  When Pelosi has some balls to send it over to the Senate the fun begins!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
16.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
We can't even get Trump's tax returns!

That shit again?

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Just what would you or anyone else glean from his tax returns?...............except for those who will TELL you what to think, and at that you would search for the source of an "opinion" that aligns with yours??

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.3  loki12  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
Clinton had the balls to go through the process over a blow job.  Clinton took the process seriously even when he didn't like it.  He freaking gave them his DNA!!  We can't even get Trump's tax returns!  And Trump believes Putin over the USA. 

There is so much wrong with this statement i don't know where to begin. You are awesome at fiction!

over a blow job.  Anybody who knows anything about this knows it was Perjury, a felon! The douche bag lied under oath and they still can't tell the truth. 

He freaking gave them his DNA!!  Another lie, Clinton DID NOT give his DNA to the Senate, he was compelled to do so in a civil suite.  and to the special prosecutor, Another Fail!!

We can't even get Trump's tax returns! Holy deflection batman, Your not entitled to them!  I'm always up for a good laugh, please tell us in detail what you think they will show?

And Trump believes Putin over the USA. You mean the same intelligence agencies that said there were WMD's in Iraq? the same intelligence agencies that said benghazi was about a video? the same intelligence agencies that have been lying about the war in Afghanistan for 15 years? the same intelligence agencies that lied about everyone agreeing Russia interfered in our election? you do know the only ones who claimed that were controlled directly by Clapper and Brennan right? Why would any one with 3 digits in there IQ believe them anymore?  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
16.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
We all had to 'give him a try'.

No they didn't. The crying triggered democrats were calling for Trumps impeachment before he was even inaugurated. 

He has been the same from the beginning. 

Yup, making democrats scream at the sky crying as President Trump erases the failure obama's legacy.

 Clinton had the balls to go through the process over a blow job.

You mean lying under oath?

 He freaking gave them his DNA!!

He had no choice, he denied everything until the infamous blue dress was pulled out of the closet. It never ceases to amaze me how the left tries to rewrite history.

 We can't even get Trump's tax returns!

So? You are not entitled to his tax returns no matter how much you want to cry about it.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
16.1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  loki12 @16.1.3    8 months ago

It's insane isn't it, and then they want to double up on their bullshit.

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lib50
16.1.6  lib50  replied to  loki12 @16.1.3    8 months ago
And Trump believes Putin over the USA. You mean the same intelligence agencies that said there were WMD's in Iraq? the same intelligence agencies that said benghazi was about a video? the same intelligence agencies that have been lying about the war in Afghanistan for 15 years? the same intelligence agencies that lied about everyone agreeing Russia interfered in our election? you do know the only ones who claimed that were controlled directly by Clapper and Brennan right? Why would any one with 3 digits in there IQ believe them anymore?  

So you, Trump and most of the gop believe Putin, a KGB agent, over our own country and their intelligence.  Keep talking.  Trump/Putin 2020!

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.7  loki12  replied to  lib50 @16.1.6    8 months ago

I never said i believe either, but you obviously get your information from known liars....Nothing you wrote was true.................. Trot On......until you find some facts.

 
 
 
lib50
16.1.8  lib50  replied to  loki12 @16.1.7    8 months ago
Why would any one with 3 digits in there IQ believe them anymore?  

Who wrote that?

 
 
 
Ronin2
16.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
Clinton had the balls to go through the process over a blow job. 

Look it up; you can't be wrong all the time. Clinton was impeached for perjury and obstruction. He lost his license to practice law over the perjury. Perjury, witness tampering, and obstruction of a court of law are real damn crimes.

The fact that the Democrats were too party oriented to impeach him in the Senate seems to be missed by those on the left. It was an open and shut case; but the Dems refused to follow through.

Can't say the same about the Dems pathetic evidence the House gathered; or the corrupt one sided process they used.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
16.1.11  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lib50 @16.1    8 months ago
and very very fond of Putin.

meanwhile in the real world...


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935

President Donald Trump has signed a law that will impose sanctions on any firm that helps Russia's state-owned gas company, Gazprom, finish a pipeline into the European Union.


with friends like that who needs enemies? 

another way to say that would be, get a fukin clue.

 
 
 
lib50
16.1.12  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @16.1.10    8 months ago

Hey, keeping up with all the new information coming out?   Looks like that Ukraine aid was stopped within 90 minutes of Trumps 'perfect' call. 

Keep trying to spin his crimes.  IMPOTUS is IMPEACHED and will always be #3

 
 
 
Tessylo
17  Tessylo    8 months ago

Russian money laundering for one.

All paths lead to Putin.

If the scumbag 'president' had nothing to hide, he'd show them.

 
 
 
It Is ME
17.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @17    8 months ago
If the scumbag 'president' had nothing to hide, he'd show them.

"INNOCENT".....until …… " PROVEN GUILTY" !

It's Not "GUILTY" until "PROVEN INNOCENT" !. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
17.2  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @17    8 months ago
Russian money laundering for one.

They have been released to the proper agency.  Do you think you know more than the IRS?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
17.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Sunshine @17.2    8 months ago
Do you think you know more than the IRS?

No but crying about President Trumps tax was a old talking point, Now that everything else has failed they have moved back to sniveling about that.

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Sunshine
17.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  KDMichigan @17.2.1    8 months ago
moved back to sniveling about that.

and Russia, Russia, Russia

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lib50
17.2.3  lib50  replied to  Sunshine @17.2.2    8 months ago

You really ought to catch up on the news the gop doesn't want you to hear.  Start with Trump's private Putin meetings, only Russians, no Americans at all.  Then go find out what he said after those meetings.  Sit down and look at who the beneficiary is to these lies and misinformation Trump was fed. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
17.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  lib50 @17.2.3    8 months ago

384

 
 
 
lib50
17.2.5  lib50  replied to  Sunshine @17.2.4    8 months ago

Just trying to save you from hyperventilating when the gop can't deny they have all been active puppets of Putin.  Trump/Putin 2020!   Makes a hell of a bumper sticker.

 
 
 
Sunshine
17.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  lib50 @17.2.5    8 months ago
Just trying to save you from hyperventilating when the gop can't deny they have all been active puppets of Putin. 

When will this be?  What is taking so long?  Investigations, Congressional hearings, yet nothing.  What's the deal?

 
 
 
Texan1211
17.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @17.2.6    8 months ago

Isn't it hilarious how they cling to Russia, Russia, Russia, and yet the Great Mueller Report showed no collusion with the Russians from Trump?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
17.2.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lib50 @17.2.3    8 months ago
You really ought to catch up on the news

UPDATE: Bill Barr Indicts 8 Including Mueller Top Witness for Funneling Millions in Foreign Donations to Adam Schiff, Hillary Clinton and Top Senate Democrats

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/update-bill-barr-indicts-8-including-mueller-top-witness-for-funneling-millions-in-foreign-donations-to-adam-schiff-hillary-clinton-and-top-senate-democrats/

 
 
 
lib50
17.2.9  lib50  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @17.2.8    8 months ago

Don't hold your breath.  Barr is carrying Trump lies like the sycophant he is.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
17.2.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lib50 @17.2.9    8 months ago
Barr is carrying Trump lies 

so is horowitz, durham, and admiral rogers. its all a big plot to take the left and maybe even a few neo-cons down then trump will become dictator... LOL

 

 cheers :)

 
 
 
Texan1211
17.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @17    8 months ago
Russian money laundering for one.

Are you able to provide any proof for that, or just the usual wild accusation based on nothing?

 
 
 
Tacos!
18  Tacos!    8 months ago
If Pelosi refuses to send the articles over, Senate Majority leader could charge her with obstruction of Congress

Now THAT would be hilariously awesome! That would be the best Christmas gift ever. I might have to settle for a new iPhone, but a boy can dream.

 
 
 
lib50
18.1  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @18    8 months ago

Lol, I'd love to see a Pelosi/McConnell match.  Bring.  It.  On.

 
 
 
Ronin2
18.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @18.1    8 months ago

What match? McConnell doesn't have to do shit until Pelosi submits the articles to the Senate.

Pelosi has no control over the Senate. McConnell doesn't have to give her a damn thing.

The impeachment dies in the House at the end of 2020 if she doesn't. If he Dems suffer the same election fallout that the Republicans did over the impeach of Bill, who was guilty as sin, then they might not have the votes needed to reauthorize the articles of impeachment.  That would make this the most worthless abuse of power exercise ever.

 
 
 
Tessylo
19  Tessylo    8 months ago

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The Magic Eight Ball
20  The Magic Eight Ball    8 months ago

impeachment is a process, not a vote.

unless pelosi finishes the process and files the paperwork trump is not impeached.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
20.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @20    8 months ago

Please do tell what you think the chances of Nancy not sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate really are. In my opinion, the chances that she won't send them, regardless of what Senate Republicans do, is less than zero. Will she try to get something in place before sending them? Of course, but there is simply no way she would just drop the articles of impeachment in the round file as it seems so many of ye gleeful Trump supporters seem to be claiming here.

So, if the odds she won't submit them is less than zero, Trump has been effectively impeached. The votes are in, the trigger has been pulled and there's no stuffing that bullet back in the barrel. To argue about the fact that the bullet hasn't hit it's target yet because the process is slow moving, therefore it might not hit the target, is ignorant at best, and that's being charitable.

 
 
 
loki12
20.1.1  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.1    8 months ago

When they impeached Clinton, they immediately walked it over to the Senate, The cunt failed and is now looking for an escape, there isn't any...She and her fellow democrats are fucked,  The longer Nancy waits the better it could be, make evey Senator running for President spend weeks off the campaign trail sitting in the senate hour, after hour, after hour......week after week.   Brilliant Nancy, Brilliant! 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
20.1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.1    8 months ago
Of course, but there is simply no way she would just drop the articles of impeachment in the round file

if she had a case she would present it to the senate.

she is in a real pickle... LOL

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
20.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @20.1.1    8 months ago
She and her fellow democrats are fucked,  The longer Nancy waits the better it could be

Only in conservative fever dreams. Trump is done and the only thing his sycophant followers can do is run around screaming how up is down, black is white, in is out, democrats are screwed and the Republican party isn't falling apart at the seams. It's pretty funny to watch, but don't worry, you'll have another decade or two to whine and cry about Republicans losing all their power before another Republican wins the white house, and decades to come of Democrats throwing the dumb ass impeached Donald in your faces like you did impeached Clinton to them over the last 20 years. Enjoy!

 
 
 
GregTx
20.1.4  GregTx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.1.3    8 months ago

Thank you. It's been kind of a blah day and the laugh was much appreciated.😁 

 
 
 
Krishna
20.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.1    8 months ago
Please do tell what you think the chances of Nancy not sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate really are. In my opinion, the chances that she won't send them, regardless of what Senate Republicans do, is less than zero. Will she try to get something in place before sending them? Of course, but there is simply no way she would just drop the articles of impeachment in the round file as it seems so many of ye gleeful Trump supporters seem to be claiming here.

If she was really smart, she'd dely. 

Why?

Because if she sends them to the Senate now, what will  McConnell & the Republican controlled Senate do? There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that they will find Trump innocent of any wrongdoing.

So once the Senate gets them, they will obviously find Trump innocent-- and do it before the election. Then they Republicans can say that Trump was accused of charges in The House, then there was the  trial in the Senate and he was found innocent of all charges.  (And that would be true-- and done according to The Constitution).

In fact that work to Trump's advantage as Democrats has been making accusations all along, but they never went to trial. After the Senate trial Trump can say he finally "got his dayi n court" and was found innocent..

But OTOH, if Pelosi can delay the Senate trial so that its just started during the Election-- then the Democrats could say that its impossible to know how it will turn out (because the trials not over).

So delaying handing it over to the Senate is a smart strategic move.

 
 
 
loki12
20.1.6  loki12  replied to  Krishna @20.1.5    8 months ago

And the republicans can vote to dismiss upon receipt because the democrats failed miserably at proving their case.

 
 
 
loki12
20.1.7  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @20.1.3    8 months ago
Trump is done

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA................Hillary in a landslide!

 
 
 
loki12
21  loki12    8 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....................................................

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Tacos!
22  Tacos!    8 months ago

This column got somebody’s knickers in a twist over at the Washington Post.

Yes, President Trump has been impeached

Referencing Article I of the Constitution, the writer notes:

Not a word about how the House must transmit anything to the Senate. Indeed, you could argue — and some have — that the articles don’t need to be sent over and that the Senate could begin a trial without receiving them.

OK, but if that’s the case, then Pelosi’s refusal to appoint managers or send anything at all to the Senate is irrelevant and McConnell can proceed with a trial. If she wants her evidence considered, she’d better get on it.

 
 
 
Krishna
22.1  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @22    8 months ago
OK, but if that’s the case,

If.

But what if that's not the case? If that's true then McConnell can't start until Pelosi sends it over.

(I am not familiar with the law-- so I do not know if the trial in the Senate can't start until its sent over-- of if it can start anyway because the Houise vote has been taken).

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
24  The Magic Eight Ball    8 months ago

if pelosi does not transmit the articles to the senate she effectively acquits trump of the charges.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
24.1  1stwarrior  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @24    8 months ago

But, while the House has the Articles of Impeachment, they CAN add to them, provided more findings are proven.

And, as noted on a previous thread, the Articles don't go away with a change of Congress.  The incoming House simply names new leads/managers for the case.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
24.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  1stwarrior @24.1    8 months ago

I doubt pelosi will ever submit them.

because of one word   "bidens"

 
 
 
Texan1211
24.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @24.1.1    8 months ago

Sounds like little old Nancy really regrets letting the party's radicals talk her into this fiasco. All she can do now is try to save face--thus the attack on the Senate.

 
 
 
It Is ME
24.1.3  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  1stwarrior @24.1    8 months ago
But, while the House has the Articles of Impeachment, they CAN add to them

That's what Pelosi and Shitty are hoping for. The longer they can drag this out, the better they THINK the democrats will look.

Poor Democrats running for President jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif . Pelosi and Schiffty want to take the real "Wind" outa your sails, 'cause they know your sails have SUCKED SOUR WINDS since day one, so "Impeachment" MUST go on ! jrSmiley_11_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
24.1.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @24.1.2    8 months ago
Sounds like little old Nancy really regrets letting the party's radicals talk her into this fiasco.

she is in a pickle, a tight spot, and up a creek with no paddle.

her only threat is...

if you don't do what I want - I won't do anything.. LOL

straight out of the comic books :)

 
 
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