Hold Your Donkeys, Trump Hasn’t Actually Been Impeached
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I wanted to title this one: “Calm Yer Tits, Trump Hasn’t Actually Been Impeached” and if I drink a couple more beers I might change it. Yesterday the House democrats voted to impeach President Trump, but today House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she won’t submit the articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trial. A liberal Harvard law professor says that if Pelosi won’t submit the articles, the impeachment technically never happened. Apparently impeachment is a process that includes actually passing the articles along to the Senate and without that, the impeachment is just democrats throwing the world’s biggest temper tantrum.
Check this thing out that Harvard Law professor Noah Feldman wrote for Bloomberg today:
Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
Now that the House of Representatives has voted to impeach President Donald Trump, what is the constitutional status of the two articles of impeachment? Must they be transmitted to the Senate to trigger a trial, or could they be held back by the House until the Senate decides what the trial will look like, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi has hinted ?
…an indefinite delay would pose a serious problem. Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.
Now get ready for the punchline:
If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.
House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer announced on Thursday that the House was taking a break and there would be no votes until at least January 7, 2020. That means no “Impeachmass” for liberals to celebrate and, that for at least now, Trump hasn’t been impeached.
This gets even funnier because Constitutionnaly-speaking, the House is obligated to submit articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trail. If Pelosi refuses to send the articles over, Senate Majority leader could charge her with obstruction of Congress, which is one of the bullshit things democrats impeached Trump on in the first place.
One last observation:
Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are saying the articles of impeachment won’t be submitted until Senate Republicans make certain concessions. Doesn’t that qualify as quid pro quo/extortion/bribery? You know, the same thing that democrats accused President Trump of doing and for which they launched their impeachment/coup campaign against him?
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The Lefts Miracle that Never happened on Capital Hill !
Trump may NEVER be "Impeached".
Great thoughts this morning. Let's hide and watch our liberal friends go further into the batshit crazy world of "Yuh huh".
The "Siths" Revenge is incomplete.
Well done! Some haven't got the message yet, but you can be sure they'll be sitting around the dinner table trying to claim "oh ya he was impeached." Nancy was in a little box and had to find an opening. It was fun to watch.
For sure !
I can hear the debate amongst the Democrats now:
"Do we really want Whistleblower Adam, Joe, and Hunter to have to testify this time" ?
Ya, for sure. It took one of their own - good old law professor Noah Feldman to point out the ugly truth. He's fun to watch too. Think of all those Dickens characters he resembles.
PERFECT !
Is Moscow Mitch going to have to hold a real trial?
No papers submitted ….so No....he won't.
A "real Trail" will not be good for Democrats in the house.
WOW !
What the hell does TRAIL have to do with this discussion anyway ?
"Spill-Chick" and "What-I-Meant Chick"...….really sucks.
Make that Trial !
Like the one demented Nancy held in the house? The left thinking they can make demands on the Senate is Hillaryious.
To Nancy Pelosi and the pro impeachment house democrats:
Democrats, for three years, have been demonstrating to the entire world their complete ignorance and incompetence, but I am sure their base will follow along like good little comrades.
The projection is strong in the republicons
When will you learn?
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It's not projection if it really happens. You've all been good little lemmings for 3 years. Why stop now.
They have been doing it a lot longer than that.
The "Anger" is strong in you !
I can feel your anger. Take your weapon! Strike me down with all your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
I was thinking that very line from Star Wars episode VI!
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[Your comment to tessy was personal]
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Longest line dance on NT !
Uh, I won't deny that since it is obvious by her post that she was talking about herself...and I agreed with her post, so Hell Yeah it was personal--just the way she made it ! Kind of like if I said "I'm ugly", and you agreed with me, does that mean you're a bad person for agreeing with me that I'm ugly? Did YOU do anything wrong by agreeing with me???
I once got a skirting for agreeing with a poster in like manner.
Yup, that I believe.
Or whenever the shitstain 'president's ugly fucking turd face shows up on the news.
I see the maturity of the losing class is coming out in full force. Guess the Dems/Libs will never really learn.
Butt, Butt………….. Feldman ?
Check out my avatar and let go!
lol
So mature....
How adult like and mature. I’m so unimpressed .
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Kids do the darndest thing.
The first time was funny
....now it's just Trolling. sheeeesh. 
You would know
Much better !
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The comment was about the Picture/GIF provided.
Was it not a "Kid" shooting the bird out of the car window ?
Sheeeeesh !
THANK YOU !
You're welcome. In future, please explain yourself via chat or private notes.
You and your buddies can dish it out but can't take it.
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Now your just trying to hurt my feelings.
That is a GREAT idea................I've had a few times where it was misjudged (and probably flagged by a malcontent).
I had a "Huuuuuge" one the other day.
I'm "Anti"worst case...…. like EVER.....apparently !
Deletes are subjective based on Iffy personal comments against one another on blogs, which I understand , but when it's a total Misinterpretation of ones post , that's another matter....and can be "Serious" !
OK guys, this is all meta and belongs in Metafied. I will answer all questions there. Please, no more on this thread.
No more meta. Final warning. Points next time.
The door has opened...
Just posted an article to Metafied so we can hash it out there.
Same here. I had one flagged and deleted by a moderator after the seed had been locked!
Sticks and stones..
Ditto. I also had one of my locked seeds deleted by a moderator this past summer during the time I was offline for 8 weeks.
Technically, he is not impeached until the Senate holds their hearing/trial and vote to approve the "recommendation/order" of impeachment. Right now, all they have is the "recommendation/order" from the House that he be impeached.
Not sure what country you're from, but not true in this one. House impeaches, Senate removes.
For Trump to be impeached in the House the House must present articles of impeachment to the Senate. As per the article Trump isn't impeached in the House so long as Nancy doesn't forward them on.
So many folks have really forgotten their Civics 101 class that explains the powers of the House and the Senate.
The Constitution did not vest the House of Representatives with the power to complete any legislative action—apart from its powers provided elsewhere within Article I—to issue rules for its internal governance, to judge its members’ elections and returns and qualifications, and to expel members for disorderly conduct, as provided elsewhere. Even with its “sole” power to impeach, the House may only initiate a legislative action but it must depend on the Senate to complete the job, whether it entails enacting a law or convicting and removing a high-ranking official, such as the President, for serious misconduct in office.
So, please Nancy and children - go back to high school, your freshman year, and revisit your Civics 101 class. In Impeachment, you guys only RECOMMEND - you do not complete the action - that is the Senate's job.
You would think the Congressional Dems who invoke the Constitution in every statement would be more educated on it.
mitch doesn't have to do a thing, until the articles are transmitted to the senate , it is an incomplete process, read that it is unfinished and attempted even if they have voted for the articles .
I think Pelosi is starting to realize how stupid this ploy was. The idea that she had any leverage here is preposterous. All she has done is undercut the very rationale for the hurried impeachment process.
She'll think of some reason that justifies her submitting the documents as soon as Congress comes back after the new year without any action by McConnell in the interim. .
She was pressured by radical, socialist The Squad and others like them. I remember when Pelosi said that Trump's impeachment "must" be bipartisan ... what happened to that? I also remember Nadler's and Pelosi's words in 1998 -- bipartisan impeachment then, too (videos on the Internet).
Lol. Looks like some panties in a wad over Pelosi holding back the articles of impeachment. He has to go through the rest of the year impeached and no acquittal. More time for his misdeeds to come out too. And they are.
The gop better prepare for the next shoe to drop. Trump believe Putin over America. In his private Putin meetings, Putin manipulated Trump as the fine KGB agent he was and is, and Trump bought the lie about Ukraine interfering in 2016 and not Russia.
And the evangelical christian magazine came and said dump Trump. The reckoning is coming.
Didn't read the posted article? Here. Let me help you not look uninformed.
From the article posted....................
Sorry. Hope I didn't ruin your Holiday........................
A further punchline is that the House's articles of impeachment (bogus as they are) can be expunged from federal/constitutional/Trump records if Nancy doesn't move her ass on this. Pelosi lobbed the ball into Mitch's court and doesn't understand that he plays 3-D chess while she, the self-anointed "master legislator", is still trying to figure out how to play "Go Fish".
Oh, hell no, because those little details don't really matter at this particular moment, we are still in the middle of the process. Its all over the headlines and news, and it won't go away. He is impeached by the house. It may not be completed yet, but he is still impeached until the election until the senate goes through the trial. Trump is impeached, he knows it and so do the rest of us. So you stay with the punchline and we will stay in the moment, which is after Trump was impeached by the house and awaits trial. Trump will always be an impeached president, no matter what happens in the future, in the minds of the world.
Some of us recognize the futility of the Democrats impeaching Trump.
We know it goes nowhere.
We wonder why Democrats haven't learned anything.
That is incorrect. Per the US Consitution ...
In case you question Feldman's article, do note that he was selected by Jerry Nadler (D-NY) to testify to the House Judiciary Committee.
Exactly. You just shit in your own mess kit. Key word, MIDDLE
Of course you will. THAT is absolutely no surprise.......
So you don't care about the process then. Not surprised. You have had him convicted in the court of liberal delusion for over two years. Good to know. As long as it helps you sleep at night, who am I to take that away. And I doubt the world gives much of a damn at this point...........or any other for that matter. He is still POTUS and will be for more than a year.........and perhaps and hopefully, beyond.
It's that horse and water thing again!
Hell no !
She can hold them as long as she wants for all I care.
All that means is "Trump isn't Impeached".
Jokes on YOU ! No "Impeachmas" this year.
Democrats have been working for 2 1/2 years on impeachment, and now Nancy has cold feet? LMMFAO!
Cold feet? Lol, no, and if you had better sources you would know what is going on.
Yes, very good, you got the part about cold feet--almost!
If it is so cut and dried as Democrats would have us all believe, what is the freaking hold up? Isn't 2 1/2 years long enough to work on it?
I think Pelosi recognizes she made a fatal error in judgment, succumbing to the radicals in her party.
Now the genie is out of the bottle and she will have trouble putting it back.
Well plz inform us of your talking points, so far you have failed miserably of discrediting the seeded article.
Damn internet, raining here for days and keep losing internet connection. Have to answer later
Maybe take notes from CNN?
She has no choice now. She can't go back and she can't really go forward!
Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official.
We now have an IMPOTUS.
Thank you George Conway, .lol.
Not yet !
Sorry, trump has been impeached. He has not been tried on the articles but he has in fact been impeached.
No he hasn't !
Nancy's holding up the REQUIRED" paperwork !
Like in "Real Life", unless the "important Paper Work" has been filed for the records....it doesn't exist.
Hilarious that this is what they are going to hang their hat on.
The Democrats "Used" him as a "Main Witness" in "Their Impeachment Trial".
Are you saying what he now says, should be ignored ?
What are you talking about.
I was referring to the fact that some seem to be in denial. Like the papers Pelosi needs to bring to the senate will magically disappear.
Impeachment is only a formal way of making an allegation.
Odd how often I've heard republicans call out Clinton as impeached. As does history. As it will for Trump. You can twist and turn trying to find this good for Trump all you want. It will be what it is. He will go down in history books and the third president in history who was impeached, when this process has been completed.
And there you, and we, have it. WHEN COMPLETED being the operative words.
You pooped on your own comment..............again.
Then you agree he's been impeached.
not until the process is complete.
investigators have to send their evidence to court or nothing happens
He will also most likely be the third to be impeached, remain in office, and finish his term just the previous two. Like it or not, impeachment never guarantees the removal from office the left so desperately craves!
That's been a foregone conclusion for the past 3 months, at least.
Obviously not to many of the hard core progressive leftist liberals posting on NT.
It will forever be known as an impeachment in name only, an entirely partisan effort motivated by hate and btw when the Republicans win back the House they could expunge it. The House once expunged Andrew Jackson's censure. It could be done with an impeachment like this one. Dosen't that just gall ya?
If I was the Senate leader I would schedule the Senate trial for the week of the Iowa Caucus.
Lol, are you a docent at a gallery ?
No, it doesn't gall me, it will live forever in history. You can't un-ring that bell.
Aw shucks....I just believe in common decency.
You can't un-ring that bell.
So said Louis Bloom.
Doesn't ring a bell...
"Nightcrawlers". If you haven't seen it you should.
Do you not read? I've said from the beginning we are in the middle of a process.
no charges are leveled until the paperwork is done.
when will pelosi finish filing the statement of charges against the official?
If she can hold the paperwork, so can McConnell
We all know Moscow Mitch has no problem holding up bills, paperwork, legislation, hearings.......so that was a given going in.
Did you have a point to make about impeachment in there anywhere?
I believe I did, but if you want me to say more about it, ok. I was specifically answering charger.
Trump has been IMPEACHED by the house, we are still in the middle of the IMPEACHMENT PROCESS, and when the senate does whatever it does, Trump will forever be the 3rd IMPEACHED PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY.
I read that 10,393 Constitutional Scholars signed a letter stating that Trump is not impeached yet.
So the fuck what?
So Democrats threw a hissy fit.
BFD.
Oh good. That means Clinton was never impeached.
YES!
What does the "Records" show ?
The records will show what happened. Not act like it never existed.
For Clinton ?
I don't see people denying Clinton was impeached.
Maybe do your own article about "That Subject" ?
Right now...one of the Democrats "Star Witness's" is saying "Trump isn't Impeached" !
Do you actually think Pelosi would let that happen? It is a done deal as far as the house is concerned.
Both the house and senate are now in recess.
Hanging on a technicality, saying not a done deal yet, only sounds like wishful thinking.
Submitting the final orders to the Senate..... would make it final for the house. Until then, it's just sitting in Limbo !
And yet it isn't going to go away.
Well, do they call Clinton the second impeached president? Yes. So yes, Trump will be too.
*Trump Impeached by Vote in Democrat led House - Democrat House Leader never finalizes action. Trump Re-Elected in 2020.
Do you actually think they will never send it to the senate?
Like I said, just sounds like wishful thinking.
Not Sure....they're now "Thinking" about it.
It was an "Emergency" after all.
Could open up a Huge can of worms they don't want if they do.
It is held up because the senate leader won't show what he is going to do.
I think it would open a can of worms they don't want if they don't do it.
I really don't think they would go through all of this just to let it die.
It has nothing to do with the Senate Leader. It's up to the "House" to elect their own Impeachment mangers to sit down with the Senate and work all that detailing out. Nancy won't do that until she gets an answer to the Senates Procedures ! It doesn't work that way, and the Senate Leader knows that. So he isn't required to do anything.
He knows exactly what he is doing. With of course coordination with the Whitehouse.
Back in the 90's...Schumer was all for working with the Whitehouse during Clintons Impeachment.
"Any fair process would be consulting the White House, because it’s the president who’s the defendant, and due process would guarantee him fairness,” Schumer said in 1999."
Ain't it funny how they all switched roles.
Yep !
It's politics.
No matter what Nancy tries to do, this one will end up no different than Bill Clintons Impeachment ended up (Senate Votes for Not removing from office). What's going to be the most funny is, Trump Impeached by the house in 2019, Elected back as President in 2020.
The Senate acquitted Bill, and if the trial goes through in the Senate and Trump is acquitted, he too will have been impeached. Until there is a hearing in the Senate though, the impeachment process hasn't been completed so technically he hasn't been impeached
. Articles have been drawn up, it is in process, but legally, he still hasn't been impeached
Yes. Impeachment is the formal bringing of charges to initiate a trial.
Once the House delivers articles of impeachment to the Senate, Trump is officially impeached. When he is acquitted he will remain in office, but remains impeached.
so what? it accomplishes nothing of value.
we will still re-elect him.
standing up to the lefts BS will only make him stronger.
just another promise kept
Correct. It will be go on record as a strictly partisan impeachment and the grounds will be forever questioned by historians.
Did you miss the point of my comment? I was answering a question on the meaning of impeachment.
There are several "ifs" ...
If Pelosi doesn't file the House's two (unconstitutional) Articles of Impeachment with the US Senate, Trump is still not impeached. She's put the brakes on the legal process, because she and Schumer are trying to control McConnell's Senate procedures. By law, they're not allowed to do this.
If Pelosi doesn't file the Articles with the Senate soon, Trump's Articles of Impeachment can be legally expunged from federal documents and records.
Not to mention that she has already "officially" asked him to give his State of the Union address.
Talk about putting the brakes on.
I wonder if she knows that FDR was the first president to give a SOTU address in the House chamber - it's 20th century thing. The Constitution doesn't specify where or when the POTUS gives his speech.
If he really wanted to stick it to Pelosi, he could give it from the Oval Office and have it broadcast nationally and worldwide.
Yup
It is definitely strange! Got rid of a lot of old decorations when we moved and didn't get a tree this year (we did light up the big one in the front though). We had over 2 days straight of rain until yesterday! It was a record for here too, and we did have intermittent internet problems during that time. I just see the sun behind the fog now, its the first time in days!
How are you doing in your new place? I mostly miss my friends, I lived in California most of my life and left it all there, so taking baby steps to settle in here, its more rural so not meeting people as easily.
Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
Russian money laundering for one.
All paths lead to Putin.
If the scumbag 'president' had nothing to hide, he'd show them.
"INNOCENT".....until …… " PROVEN GUILTY" !
It's Not "GUILTY" until "PROVEN INNOCENT" !.
They have been released to the proper agency. Do you think you know more than the IRS?
No but crying about President Trumps tax was a old talking point, Now that everything else has failed they have moved back to sniveling about that.
and Russia, Russia, Russia
You really ought to catch up on the news the gop doesn't want you to hear. Start with Trump's private Putin meetings, only Russians, no Americans at all. Then go find out what he said after those meetings. Sit down and look at who the beneficiary is to these lies and misinformation Trump was fed.
Just trying to save you from hyperventilating when the gop can't deny they have all been active puppets of Putin. Trump/Putin 2020! Makes a hell of a bumper sticker.
When will this be? What is taking so long? Investigations, Congressional hearings, yet nothing. What's the deal?
Isn't it hilarious how they cling to Russia, Russia, Russia, and yet the Great Mueller Report showed no collusion with the Russians from Trump?
UPDATE: Bill Barr Indicts 8 Including Mueller Top Witness for Funneling Millions in Foreign Donations to Adam Schiff, Hillary Clinton and Top Senate Democrats
Don't hold your breath. Barr is carrying Trump lies like the sycophant he is.
so is horowitz, durham, and admiral rogers. its all a big plot to take the left and maybe even a few neo-cons down then trump will become dictator... LOL
cheers
Are you able to provide any proof for that, or just the usual wild accusation based on nothing?
Now THAT would be hilariously awesome! That would be the best Christmas gift ever. I might have to settle for a new iPhone, but a boy can dream.
Lol, I'd love to see a Pelosi/McConnell match. Bring. It. On.
What match? McConnell doesn't have to do shit until Pelosi submits the articles to the Senate.
Pelosi has no control over the Senate. McConnell doesn't have to give her a damn thing.
The impeachment dies in the House at the end of 2020 if she doesn't. If he Dems suffer the same election fallout that the Republicans did over the impeach of Bill, who was guilty as sin, then they might not have the votes needed to reauthorize the articles of impeachment. That would make this the most worthless abuse of power exercise ever.
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impeachment is a process, not a vote.
unless pelosi finishes the process and files the paperwork trump is not impeached.
Please do tell what you think the chances of Nancy not sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate really are. In my opinion, the chances that she won't send them, regardless of what Senate Republicans do, is less than zero. Will she try to get something in place before sending them? Of course, but there is simply no way she would just drop the articles of impeachment in the round file as it seems so many of ye gleeful Trump supporters seem to be claiming here.
So, if the odds she won't submit them is less than zero, Trump has been effectively impeached. The votes are in, the trigger has been pulled and there's no stuffing that bullet back in the barrel. To argue about the fact that the bullet hasn't hit it's target yet because the process is slow moving, therefore it might not hit the target, is ignorant at best, and that's being charitable.
if she had a case she would present it to the senate.
she is in a real pickle... LOL
Only in conservative fever dreams. Trump is done and the only thing his sycophant followers can do is run around screaming how up is down, black is white, in is out, democrats are screwed and the Republican party isn't falling apart at the seams. It's pretty funny to watch, but don't worry, you'll have another decade or two to whine and cry about Republicans losing all their power before another Republican wins the white house, and decades to come of Democrats throwing the dumb ass impeached Donald in your faces like you did impeached Clinton to them over the last 20 years. Enjoy!
Thank you. It's been kind of a blah day and the laugh was much appreciated.😁
If she was really smart, she'd dely.
Why?
Because if she sends them to the Senate now, what will McConnell & the Republican controlled Senate do? There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that they will find Trump innocent of any wrongdoing.
So once the Senate gets them, they will obviously find Trump innocent-- and do it before the election. Then they Republicans can say that Trump was accused of charges in The House, then there was the trial in the Senate and he was found innocent of all charges. (And that would be true-- and done according to The Constitution).
In fact that work to Trump's advantage as Democrats has been making accusations all along, but they never went to trial. After the Senate trial Trump can say he finally "got his dayi n court" and was found innocent..
But OTOH, if Pelosi can delay the Senate trial so that its just started during the Election-- then the Democrats could say that its impossible to know how it will turn out (because the trials not over).
So delaying handing it over to the Senate is a smart strategic move.
This column got somebody’s knickers in a twist over at the Washington Post.
Yes, President Trump has been impeached
Referencing Article I of the Constitution, the writer notes:
OK, but if that’s the case, then Pelosi’s refusal to appoint managers or send anything at all to the Senate is irrelevant and McConnell can proceed with a trial. If she wants her evidence considered, she’d better get on it.
If.
But what if that's not the case? If that's true then McConnell can't start until Pelosi sends it over.
(I am not familiar with the law-- so I do not know if the trial in the Senate can't start until its sent over-- of if it can start anyway because the Houise vote has been taken).
if pelosi does not transmit the articles to the senate she effectively acquits trump of the charges.
But, while the House has the Articles of Impeachment, they CAN add to them, provided more findings are proven.
And, as noted on a previous thread, the Articles don't go away with a change of Congress. The incoming House simply names new leads/managers for the case.
I doubt pelosi will ever submit them.
because of one word "bidens"
Sounds like little old Nancy really regrets letting the party's radicals talk her into this fiasco. All she can do now is try to save face--thus the attack on the Senate.
That's what Pelosi and Shitty are hoping for. The longer they can drag this out, the better they THINK the democrats will look.
Poor Democrats running for President
. Pelosi and Schiffty want to take the real "Wind" outa your sails, 'cause they know your sails have SUCKED SOUR WINDS since day one, so "Impeachment" MUST go on ! 
she is in a pickle, a tight spot, and up a creek with no paddle.
her only threat is...
if you don't do what I want - I won't do anything.. LOL
straight out of the comic books