Senior Palestinian claims Jesus was an Islamic martyr

  

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Via:  buzz-of-the-orient  •  2 years ago  •  32 comments

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Senior Palestinian claims Jesus was an Islamic martyr

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Senior Palestinian claims Jesus was an Islamic martyr

A number of Palestinian leaders have this week claimed Jesus as one of their own, but one went further, naming him as the first Islamic Shahid.


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Broken statues of the crucified Jesus Christ hang on the wall in the workshop of sculptor Nikolaus Duerlich of the ethnic minority of Sorbs, in Raeckelwitz, Germany, April 5, 2019.  (photo credit: REUTERS/MATTHIAS RIETSCHEL)



Jesus was not only a   Palestinian , but was the first Islamic martyr, a senior Palestinian leader said this week.

Writing on his Facebook account on December 24, Tawfiq Tirawi, a senior Palestinian leader and Fatah Central Committee member posted: “This is blessed Christmas, The birthday of our lord Jesus the Messiah, the first Palestinian and the first Shahid [Islamic Martyr],” Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) has reported.

PMW has noted that Tirawi's reference to "our lord Jesus" is not an acceptance of Christianity; rather, Islamic tradition teaches that Jesus was a Muslim who preached Islam.

PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein, the top religious figure within the PA, has made this point before, saying: "We’re talking about an ongoing chain [of prophets of the Islam], from Adam to Muhammad. It’s an ongoing chain, representing the call for monotheism, and the mission of Islam…

"The prophets were all of the same religion [Islam]… Jesus was born in this land. He lived in this land. It is known that he was born in Bethlehem… He also lived in Nazareth, moved to Jerusalem. So he was a Palestinian par excellence… We respect Jesus, we believe in him [as a Muslim prophet], just as we believe in the prophet Muhammad."

Claims that   Jesus was a Palestinian   have been made multiple times this week. On December 26, Fatah Revolutionary Council member Muwaffaq Matar wrote in the Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida "If someone could win the Nobel Peace Prize every year forever, it is Palestinian Jesus son of Mary who was born in Bethlehem…"

He added: "Palestinian Jesus son of Mary was a victim…"



Similarly, PMW have translated Laila Ghannam, District Governor of Ramallah as writing in the same publication two days earlier: "The entire Palestinian people celebrates Christmas because we are proud of Jesus being Palestinian."

According to the non-profit research institute, PA leader Mahmoud Abbas also made the claim. In an appearance on official PA TV News on December 28, he claimed Christmas for the Palestinians.

"Christmas is a national-religious holiday and not just a religious one. For all of us Palestinians, this holiday is ours. Therefore we all celebrate it. The Palestinian leadership is going to church to be present for [Christmas] Mass," he said, adding: "It is our obligation to do this, because it – as I told you – is a religious holiday for our [Christian] people, and you are our people, and it is [also] a national holiday for us all." 

According to PMW, Abbas' Fatah party likewise declared on Facebook on December 20: "Christmas is a Palestinian holiday… There is a special significance to the Christmas celebrations in Palestine, since it has clearly become a national holiday in which all of our people participate, starting from [PA] President of Palestine [Mahmoud Abbas] and down to the last of the children." 

According to Islamic tradition, the reward for an Islamic martyr in heaven is 72 dark-eyed virgins, a claim that many Christians would find defamatory.


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Buzz of the Orient
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1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient    2 years ago

I'm curious to see the comments from some of the devout Christian members of NT about this.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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2  Kathleen    2 years ago

I would think that Jesus would be a martyr to a lot of people in general anyway.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kathleen @2    2 years ago

But do you agree that he wasn't a Jew, but was a Muslim 600 years before Islam was founded?

 
 
 
Kathleen
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2.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    2 years ago

No, because people have claimed him to be of their race and culture in the past. So it’s hard to know for sure. To me it does not matter, a good man is a good man.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    2 years ago

My understanding is that the preponderance of both historical and religious evidence and writings over the last two millennia or so overwhelmingly states that Christ was in fact of Jewish heritage. Although groups from time to time have attempted to co-opt him as one of their own for their benefit.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.3  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.1    2 years ago

No matter how various artists depicted him, Christ would have been an ethnic Canaanite.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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2.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    2 years ago

Another claim, through history people have wondered what Jesus really looked like. Does it matter?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.4    2 years ago

Some have tried to use the image from the Shroud of Turin to recreate what he may have looked like, but there in no guarantee that shroud actually covered Jesus and may in fact be centuries older than the time of Jesus.

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.6  katrix  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.5    2 years ago

The Shroud has been exposed as a hoax.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  katrix @2.1.6    2 years ago

That too.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.8  Krishna  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    2 years ago
Christ would have been an ethnic Canaanite.

So, just like the Jews and other Semitics peoples, ...he was a "person of colour"...???

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.9  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    2 years ago

But do you agree that he wasn't a Jew, but was a Muslim 600 years before Islam was founded?

Did you know that Muslims actually discovered America?

Muslims discovered America, says Turkish president

Recep Tayyip Erdogan claims Muslim sailors reached the American continent in 1178 – exactly 314 years before Columbus!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.2    2 years ago
My understanding is that the preponderance of both historical and religious evidence and writings over the last two millennia or so overwhelmingly states that Christ was in fact of Jewish heritage.

"On the day Isaac was weaned, Abraham held a big feast. Sarah saw that Abraham’s son by Hagar the Egyptian was laughing at Isaac. 10 She said to Abraham, “Get rid of this slave and her son, because this slave’s son must never share the inheritance with my son Isaac.” 11 Abraham was upset by this because of his son Ishmael. 12 But God said to Abraham, “Don’t be upset about the boy and your slave. Listen to what Sarah says because through Isaac your descendants will carry on your name. 13 Besides, I will make the slave’s son into a nation also, because he is your child.”

14 Early the next morning Abraham took bread and a container of water and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder. He also gave her the boy and sent her on her way. So she left and wandered around in the desert near Beersheba. 15 When the water in the container was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes. 16 Then she went about as far away as an arrow can be shot and sat down. She said to herself, “I don’t want to watch the boy die.” So she sat down and sobbed loudly.

17 God heard the boy crying, and the Messenger of God called to Hagar from heaven. “What’s the matter, Hagar?” he asked her. “Don’t be afraid! God has heard the boy crying from the bushes. 18 Come on, help the boy up! Take him by the hand, because I’m going to make him into a great nation.” - Genesis 21:8-18

Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael to be the ancestor of Arab people and the Quran recognizes Ishmael as an important prophet and father of Islam. Most Muslims believe that Ishmael was the firstborn of Abraham, born to him from his second wife Hagar. Ishmael is recognized by Muslims as the ancestor of several prominent Arab tribes and the forefather of Muhammad. Muslims also believe that Muhammad was the descendant of Ishmael who would establish their Caliphate or "great nation" as promised by God in the Old Testament.

So technically, the Jews are cousins of the Muslim Arabs, and one of their primary founders, Ishmael, would be considered the half-brother of Isaac and half-uncle of Jacob aka "Israel". So Jesus would be genetically related to both Jews and Muslim Arabs, and Muslims worship the same God as both Jews and Christians. And if you believe in the trinity, then it was apparently Jesus himself who made that promise to Hagar, to make Abrahams firstborn son into a "great nation". I find it fascinating that so many, especially Christians, are so clueless about these facts.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.11  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.1.9    2 years ago

Krishna, I thought you were an American.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.12  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.11    2 years ago
Krishna, I thought you were an American.

I'm actually half Scotch-- and half water!

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.13  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.10    2 years ago
I find it fascinating that so many, especially Christians, are so clueless about these facts.

Facts?

ACTUAL FACTS?

Lol-- do you really expect to see people posting actual FACTS on a social media site?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.14  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.1.12    2 years ago

Do you know how I could tell you were not an American?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    2 years ago
But do you agree that he wasn't a Jew, but was a Muslim 600 years before Islam was founded?

We don't have record of his circumcision, but he certainly acted as a Jew and scripture traces his lineage to King David. So was Jesus a Jew? I would say yes.

Was he a Muslim? It depends on what you mean by that. The word "Islam" simply means submission, specifically to God. So in that respect, Jesus could be said to be Islamic. However, the religion "Islam" says that it is based on the will of God as revealed through his prophet Muhammad. Since Jesus lived in the first century and Muhammed in the seventh, that would obviously be impossible.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @2.1.9    2 years ago

Nope, that was the Chinese.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    2 years ago

I fail to see the point other than to inflame those ignorant of the fact Jesus is a prophet of Islam.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4  charger 383    2 years ago

" he claimed Christmas for the Palestinians."

but will they get mad if you say Happy Holidays to them?  

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  charger 383 @4    2 years ago
he claimed Christmas for the Palestinians." but will they get mad if you say Happy Holidays to them?  

LOL!

Good point-- we must be careful what we say! After all, there's an actual "War" on Jesus! As well as a "War on":  Buddha, The Dalai Lama, and Mother Theresa (all of whom were great Palestinian heroes! )

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1    2 years ago

P.S-- did you know that Moses was actually a Muslim?

/sarc

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  seeder  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @4.1.1    2 years ago

Yes, I did.  So was George Washington and Chairman Mao.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.2    2 years ago
So was George Washington and Chairman Mao.

Yes-- but one was a Sunni Muslim and the other was a Shia Muslim!

(Which is why they didn't get along very well :-(

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.3    2 years ago
So was George Washington and Chairman Mao.
Yes-- but one was a Sunni Muslim and the other was a Shia Muslim! (Which is why they didn't get along very well

And then there was Malcolm X, who was actually an " Unbleached Muslin"!

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JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Jesus was not a Muslim, since Islam did not exist during Jesus lifetime.  Nor was Jesus a "Christian"  for the same reason although that is a different circumstance since eventually Christianity was formed around Jesus teachings. 

Having noted those things, I don't think the seeded news is a big deal either way. 

If someone claims Jesus was a flat earther , what difference does it make? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 years ago

John,

Actions like this are not done for no reason. I am guessing it is for European sympathies. It is news worthy.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
6  Krishna    2 years ago

Uh-Oh-- here we go again!

Geert Wilders Revives Contest For Cartoons That Mock Muhammad

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Expert
7  Tacos!    2 years ago

I'm no Muslim, but what I read here essentially reflects what I have always heard about the Muslim conception of Jesus. i.e. he was another in a line of prophets, albeit a particularly important one. I have no problem with anyone calling him a Palestinian because it's true. Anyone who lives in Palestine is a Palestinian. You can't use our post 1947 concepts of Israeli vs. Palestinian and apply them to Jesus. It wouldn't make any sense.

 
 
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