'Believe all women' standard goes out the window with Joe Biden accuser
The believe all women standard is a double one when it comes to democrats. Believe if an accusation is made no matter how flimsy against a Republican but. Sweep it under the rug and punish the woman if it’s directed at a democrat no matter how strong her case might be. Then they will even weaponize other women to deal with her mans “bimbo eruptions”.
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'Believe all women' standard goes out the window with Joe Biden accuser
When Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, just before an expected confirmation vote, was accused of committing sexual assault, Joe Biden was advocating for a standard in which any woman willing to come forward should be presumed to be telling the truth.
“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time,” Biden said .
Now, Biden’s statement is being put to the test, given that a former female aide has come forward to claim that Biden sexually assaulted her in the early 1990s.
The accuser, Tara Reade, first came forward in April 2019, after Biden’s habit of awkwardly touching women and young girls on camera started to receive attention. At the time, Lucy Flores, a former Nevada state assemblywoman, had gone public with her claim that Biden had touched her inappropriately and kissed her on her head during a 2014 Democratic campaign rally. Biden responded to Flores with a general statement saying he never acted inappropriately .
Reade said that the account of Flores seemed accurate to her based on her own experiences. She told a local newspaper in Nevada that when she was a staffer for Biden in 1993, he had engaged in unwanted touching that made her feel uncomfortable. “Reade said her responsibilities in the senator’s office were reduced after she refused to serve drinks at an event — what she called a desire of Biden’s because he liked her legs,” according to the account.
After she went public and after Atlantic staff writer Edward-Isaac Dovere wrote a thread on Twitter citing past writings in which Reade praised Russian leader Vladimir Putin, she decided not to pursue the matter further.
Now, however, she has been willing to speak out in more detail. Reade described an incident to podcast host Katie Halper in which she said: “I remember I was wearing a blouse, and [Biden] just had me up against the wall. And the wall was cold. It happened all at once. … His hands were on me and underneath my clothes. Yeah, and he went down my skirt but then up inside it, and he penetrated me with his fingers, and he was kissing me at the same time, and he was saying something to me.”
Halper reported that she spoke to a close friend and to her brother at the time. Both recall Reade telling them about the incident contemporaneously. Reade told HillTV that she tried to seek help from Time’s Up, a group that is supposed to help women financially who come forward. But she claims the organization declined, saying that, since the accusation was against a presidential candidate, it was too political, and the group didn’t want to endanger its nonprofit status.
To be clear, we are not taking a position on the credibility of Reade’s accusation one way or another. The Intercept reported that Reade has been a supporter of Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, so there are certainly legitimate questions that could be asked about the timing.
We support due process. Female accusers deserve to be heard and to have their claims evaluated fairly based on the evidence. For too long, men in powerful positions have gotten away with inappropriate behavior because their victims feared speaking out, and it's imperative to create an environment in which women feel like they will be supported and listened to if they come forward. But, at the same time, those who are accused should not be automatically treated as if they were guilty.
But for Biden and other Democrats who pushed the “believe all women” standard during the Kavanaugh nomination fight, it’s deeply cynical to abandon it now in the face of an accusation against the party’s likely nominee.
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We support due process. Female accusers deserve to be heard and to have their claims evaluated fairly based on the evidence. For too long, men in powerful positions have gotten away with inappropriate behavior because their victims feared speaking out, and it's imperative to create an environment in which women feel like they will be supported and listened to if they come forward. But, at the same time, those who are accused should not be automatically treated as if they were guilty.
But for Biden and other Democrats who pushed the “believe all women” standard during the Kavanaugh nomination fight, it’s deeply cynical to abandon it now....
Allow me to say 'Whataboutthepussygrabber', just to get it out of the way of a serious question.
What's funny is when conservatives ask what happened to the Trump "accusers" that mysteriously disappeared November 7, 2016, the crickets' chirp become very loud.
True enough. BF had a similar seed up from the Daily Wire and I was going to defer to his even though mine is an editorial I saw on real clear politics from the Washington Examiner newspaper. But then both the article and the group it was seeded from disappeared so here it is.
Yes, Fish's stories disappear quicker than a Clinton foe.
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Ooohhh Deep State !!
NewsTalkers has a deep state too?
Of course and they're coming for ya !
Of that I have no doubt...
why not actually read the seeded article for context and figure it out for yourself?
You know this will be a nothing burger to the hypocritical TDS sufferer's. The stupider ones are still trying to claim President Trump was close with Epstein, All while ignoring Epstiens ties to the Democrat party..
I’m sure that they will deny and minimize it all while talking endlessly about what Trump said or may have done. But Trump!!! Pure TDS.
Remember Trump's Miss Teen USA Pageants?
But Trump!!! What does that have to do with the content of the seeded article topic and what Biden is accused of doing?
Rapists gonna rape, Trump and the Clintons. Fuck all of them. They are the same to me. In fact they were pretty good friends at one point. Actually.... deep state connections... clinton and trump being friends, trump the deepest member of the dep state?!!! Holy Fuck, I'm off to retardChan!
Theres no evidence that Trump raped anyone. As to Clinton, it seems that Biden is a copycat.
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Other than a lawsuit by a 13 year old? Who later dropped the lawsuit after being threatened, according to court documents.
You never quit with that lie do you? The case was dropped because SHE NEVER SHOWED UP
As of now, all of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by “Katie Johnson,” and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her. She was scheduled to appear at a press conference on 2 November 2016 but didn’t show up, claiming that threats to her life kept her away. She reportedly dropped the lawsuit again on 4 November 2016 for the same reason.
At least you are now admitting that Trump was sued for raping a 13 year old.
And ?
Anyone can file a lawsuit--no matter how frivolous.
Big deal.
You are referring to the case that was thrown out of California and then refiled in New York and subsequently DROPPED, aren't you?
Surely you have more proof that Trump raped someone than THAT bit of clattletrap shit?
That isn't evidence. That is stupid to suggest that is evidence.
Thought you knew what evidence at least IS.
I do, apparently you don't.
But I am not the one who thinks someone filing a lawsuit is evidence of anything. That would be you.
You show me ONE single court case where a filing of a lawsuit has been considered evidence.
I challenge you to do that--IF YOU CAN.
BTFW--here is a definition of evidence., Go ahead and point out where "lawsuits" are included.
What is the legal definition of evidence?
Definition of Evidence. In legal terms, evidence covers the burden of proof, admissibility, relevance, weight and sufficiency of what should be admitted into the record of a legal proceeding. Evidence -- crucial in both civil and criminal proceedings -- may include blood or hair samples, video surveillance recordings, or witness testimony.
Wow, you are pushing it. It seems that you are trying to claim it as "smoking gun" evidence, I have never claimed that. I have merely claimed it as evidence for corroboration, to show the suspect has a habit of certain actions. His actions during his various beauty competitions also qualify as "evidence".
Or are you saying that all claims against Trump should be ignored???
On the heels of the damaging videotape on which Trump and former Access Hollywood host Billy Bush salivated over Days of Our Live actress Arianne Zucker, and joked about sexually assaulting women, came allegations that Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.
The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained
Trump’s multiple sex scandals endanger U.S. national security
Or in Trump's own words...
Fail.
How so? Never claimed he was guilty, just stated that where there is this much smoke there may be fire. 1 claim, 2 claims, maybe as many as 5 claims (pure opinion), might be explained away. Trump is at over 20 now, and still more periodically show up.
I have to hand it to you.
I didn't believe it possible to pack that much bullshit into a paragraph or two.
TFW--still waiting--and waiting--and WAITING--for EVIDENCE that Trump raped anyone.
YAWN--might as well take a long nap because I can see no EVIDENCE will be forthcoming DESPITE idiotic claims to the contrary.
Yet, you are totally unable to dispute it.
Moving the goalposts to cover for your failing argument? Read my 2nd sentence in 22.2.13.
Because you are waiting for evidence of something I never claimed. DUH!!!
Sleep 💤 well! 😂
I'm real sorry you can't remember what you wrote.
Here. I'll remind you:
Post 2.2.3
Theres no evidence that Trump raped anyone.
Other than a lawsuit by a 13 year old? Who later dropped the lawsuit after being threatened, according to court documents.
The BOLD words are your own.
Someone claimed there is no evidence Trump raped anyone.
You replied that "OTHER than a lawsuit by a 13 year old" (Which is nothing but a lie, as no 13 year old to my knowledge has ever filed a lawsuit against Trump.)
OTHER connotes that you consider a lawsuit filed as evidence, now spin all the bullshit you want but those re your words.
Unless you are going to provide evidence that there was now such lawsuit, you are trying to deflect this to a completely different subject matter. So you tell me, are you claiming there was no such lawsuit?
Are you failing to understand, or are you purposely being obtuse about this?
Do you understand how a criminal profile is built? A person's past actions are taken into account, in an attempt to determine if they may be involved in a current crime. Those past actions may OR MAY NOT be criminal in nature, but they may lend to the likelihood of that person's involvement. We are not talking direct evidence, we are talking circumstantial evidence that may do nothing other than designate that person, as a "person of interest". Not a suspect. Do you understand the difference between the 2?
As I\ve always said, nothing shows that you have lost an argument more than arguing semantics. You obviously know, as well as I do that the mother files the case for the daughter.
Ahh, so now you are trying to "interpret", and tell me what I said?? That is truly sad and pitiful that you are having to go so far to try and prop up your argument.
You mean senile perv sleepy Joe hasn’t dropped out yet?
Once again, all you can do is call people 3rd grade insults? That IS Trump's campaign strategy however, so congrats on following him.
I guess some woman like it when a complete stranger sniffs their hair .....
C’est la vie .....
Or grabs their pussy.
Link please showing a Trump grabbing a complete strangers pussy.
He said he did. He bragged about it.
Still waiting for a link showing where he actually did it.
If people did everything they just bragged about doing, we’d all be in much deeper shit.
Biden doesn’t just brag about hair sniffing. He just does it and it’s damn creepy wouldn’t you agree?
I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms in my day and the BS that typically flies in there is copious.
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Just locker room talk right? But no....
He never said he did it. He said that n that environment one could do that.
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But Trump!!!!
More TDS! Is blaming Trump your defense of Pervert Biden?
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About the only clever comment you have ever made. Lol, that was good.
Lol ..... in truth women’s locker rooms probably aren’t much better. They just want us to think they are.
I’m down on that scam .....
So he sniffs hair. Are you guys kidding? And it stops being locker talk when you are known cheater.
Some women are worse.
Won't disagree with you on Trump and the locker room talk, but see the video I posted in comment 8 below. Here is another . Poor little girl is petrified. He later pulls her hair back, grabs both sides of her face and kisses her on the head as she grimaces. The one at comment 8 though is the worst.
Our choices for president have become a freaking horror show.
No he didn't
"it stops being locker talk when you are known cheater. "
Unless you are democrat, then it is still just locker room talk or something made up by trailer trash bimbos.
Trump is not the topic here. Biden is.
What about ism?
So? Rapists and accused are legitimate candidates, isn't that what has been established?
So you don't care that the "women" that Biden fondles in public and on video are actually underaged and preteens?
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I care as much about those women as you do about those that Trump raped.
Donald J. Trump issued an unusual videotaped apology early Saturday after a 2005 recording surfaced that showed him speaking in extraordinarily vulgar terms about women, setting off an uproar in the Republican Party.
“Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am,” he said. “I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize.”
The apology came as the presidential nominee faced extraordinary censure from Republican leaders after the tape was made public. The recording captures Mr. Trump speaking about pushing himself on women and boasting that he could get away with “anything” because of his celebrity.
In the three-minute recording, which was obtained by The Washington Post , Mr. Trump recounts to the television personality Billy Bush of “Access Hollywood” how he once pursued a married woman and “moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there,” expressing regret that they did not have sex. But he brags of a special status with women: Because he was “a star,” he says, he could “grab them by the pussy” whenever he wanted.
No tired of the double standards.
I would care if it was true. But it isn't.
If you are going to talk about the sexual conduct of a candidate, both should be looked at instead of one. They have equal footing.
I'm sorry freewill, but I don't see what you are seeing. My daughter Maddy would have reacted the exact same way ( and did) when my parents and inlaws friends touched her. Some kids are just that way. He's in public for goodness sake. Real sickos hide.
Yes we know he's touchy, but he's not a prev.
If Trump did anything like that it would be an impeachable offense.
I'm afraid it is Perrie, See HERE and HERE .
Sad how some here won't acknowledge it or pay it any mind.
Perrie, he pinched that first girl and she actually jumped, and her eyes went wide! I'm sorry but I don't understand how folks can downplay this. .
As am I.
Kinda the point of this article, yes?
Maybe because I got pinched as a kid all the time. IDK? If he was trying to be a perv he wouldn't do it in front of a camera.
Is it?
No Sparty, if someone showed me a similar thing with Trump I would not agree, either.
You mean like you are showing us all you have right now?
In that area Perrie? Really?
But he did do it, which makes it even scarier. What is really scary is thinking about what he would do with nobody else around.
Honestly, and I don't mean you, but if it were Trump in this video rather than Biden, how many here would be offering the same excuses for him on this?
First of all I watched that video several times and it looked like to me that his hands moved position, not pinching her. And I didn't see the kid look horrified. And furthermore, her own parents never came out and said anything did they? They had to have seen the video. Neither did the kid later on, did she?
We can all see what we want to see in these things.
There are a slew of father daughter pictures Trump took with Ivanka. A lot of people on the left said they were gross. I didn't take them that way.
Well of course it is Perrie. Where is the "Believe all Women" standard when it comes to Biden's accuser? It's the very point outlined in the title. If you don't think the article is about a double standard, then please explain why not.
I’ll remember that when a liberal posts a seed about a Republican and say that negative talk about their democrat opposition has equal footing.
First of all, I don't believe anyone, be it woman or man when it comes to accusations. I believe in seeking out the truth. It's only a double standard when there is an equal standard. So I gave you my equal standard. I don't believe that either Biden or Trump molest little girls, even if photos/videos suggest otherwise. In the world that we live in, I actually don't trust much of what we see until there is actual verification.
Biden’s a Democrat so it’s different. Biden should hold himself to his own standard he set for Kavanaugh.
And that makes no sense especially since I don't care if Biden is a dem or not.
Fair enough. I don't doubt that you personally make every effort to maintain an equal standard. But certainly you can see that many others do not, especially those who dabble in political or ideological extremism one way or the other. That really is what this article is about.
It makes no sense to hold Biden to the same standard that Biden set for Kavanaugh?
Look up the definition of "locker room talk" and then get back to us.
Well said.
Please offer proof for your rape allegations.
I'm sure you didn't just make it up, and can offer SOMETHING up as proof.
BTW, filing of lawsuits isn't proof.
It’s not a surprise that you get no reply when you seek proof to back up wild allegations.
That is simply because there is nothing to their specious allegations.
If there WAS anything to it, SOME yahoo would have actually posted SOME type of proof by now!
So he is basically Donald Trump when it comes to women, conservatives should love this. Not sure what this bullshit is all about?.
And even if true, you are giving me a choice between an accused rapist who I can't stand as a human being (the sound of his voice makes me want to punch him) or an accused rapist that it at least tolerable in public. Great choices all around, but I think you know where I am leaning.
And yet Bill Clinton is probably one of your hero’s right?
Fuck Clinton and his BFF Trump. Yeah, they were good friends back in the Epstein days when raping little girls was cool. Trump is the biggest deep state agent of all and [Deleted]
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Like I gave a shit about any of this then.
That explains a lot.
Sure does.
I watched 9/11 on TV. I volunteered to go to war for our country as soon as I graduated, and fought that war until 2008. [Deleted]
My country called for a sacrifice and I answered.
Sounds like somebody has some serious anger issues here.
Yep
And your point is?
If you're ok with Joe (or old Bill, for that matter), delete "the way he treats women" from the list of things about Trump you find objectionable enough to decide your vote.
One rapist or another rapist, that is the choice lol. Fuckin America.
These people tend to feel like the standards for the rest of society just don't apply to them.
Hence why I almost don't give a shit about who is elected. Just look at their stock portfolios and business relationships, that tells you all you need to know about a candidate.
One admitted rapist and one accused rapist.
So, when did Biden admit to rape?
Got any links for that--I'd love to see it!
Biden might be a serial groper and pervert but I doubt that he literally raped anyone.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe about Biden, but, hey, the dude stated that he admitted to it, so unless he was just flat-out lying, he might actually be right. Sure would like to hear some details, though!
After she saw an episode of the ABC show “The View,” in which most of the panelists stood up for Biden and attacked Flores as politically motivated, Reade decided that she had no choice but to come forward and support Flores. She gave an interview to a local reporter, describing several instances in which Biden had behaved similarly toward her, inappropriately touching her during her early-’90s tenure in his Senate office. In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores — plus, she had filed a contemporaneous complaint, and there were witnesses, so she considered the allegation bulletproof. The short article brought a wave of attention on her,along with accusations that she was doing the bidding of Russian President Vladimir Putin. So Reade went quiet.
I’m not going to opine on the worth or lack there of of Anita Hills testimony to the Senate but this and it’s time frame might explain Biden’s attitude toward her for which he recently apologized.
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You do realize that the timing of the allegations against Biden here are in close proximity time wise in the early 1990’s with the Hill testimony? Why would Biden be sympathetic with Hill if he’s abusing another woman in a worse manner even than Hill was accusing Thomas of? Seems relevant to me.
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This one is hard to watch. Poor little girl. Someone does this to my daughter and they'd be collecting their teeth with broom and a dust pan! There are several others similar to this caught on C-Span as well. If he does this kind of thing out in the open, can't imagine what he'd do with no one else around. The average Joe would go to prison for doing something like this. Are we really considering sending him to the White House without so much as an inquiry?
Some on the left want it that way. It won’t happen though.
He should be like Trump, and just talk about sexual assault openly. If Trump weren't such a bitch he would have recorded himself in the dressing rooms withr underage girls.
Let me make sure I'm following you here. So you're cool with Biden actually pinching a little girl's chest like that as long as he doesn't talk about it like Trump?
And that makes Biden better even if he is guilty of what she accused him of?
WTF does that have to do with Trump, or are you just desperate enough to try anything for a deflection?
Let them deflect this:
No, I am saying he should be even bolder than Trump. Trump just suggests that he casually sexually assaults women, Biden should just flat out state it and peel away Trump supporters like yourself.
Man, with brilliant ideas like that, I sure hope you offer your services to Mr. Biden's campaign. They would be invaluable, I'm sure.
“Biden should just flat out state it and peel away Trump supporters like yourself.”
Thats cute Thrawn. You trying to taunt me? Last vacation not long enough?
I don’t expect you to believe me but I’m not a Trump supporter. In fact, I left the party because of him. But neither do I suffer from TDS. I look at the issues fairly and objectively and without emotional partisan spin. My comments and links were about Biden and the reasons why I distrust him as much as I do Trump, particularly on the subject of this article. Do you think it is possible for folks to dislike both men for much the same or similar reasons? Seems to me to be the more objective stance given the facts and evidence. Are you familiar with these terms?
Premium advice. Maybe she could just get Biden to confess his sins and withdraw from the campaign.
That depicts Biden perfectly.
Shows again, the left doesn't care about what Trump actually did, only that it was Trump that did it. They are perfectly happy to justify any behavior of Trump's, so long as the person doing the behavior has a D after their name.
Tara Reade's Interview here . Innocent until proven guilty of course, but hard not to believe her at this point. She is not the first accuser either, which I did not know. I listened to another where he told her after the assault, when she refused to let it go further, that, " You are nothing to me!" She says those words have haunted her every day since.
Biden is one awful man. Seven women now have come forward? I had no idea. I had heard of the “you’re nothing to me” comment but thought that was the same as this accuser. Schocking....
I honestly think that if this woman produced pictures and video of Biden sexually assaulting this woman along with a certified letter from Biden himself saying he did it, most liberals on here would still say the woman is lying.
Hillary would be punishing the female accusers and repressing them as her mans bimbo eruptions. No wait! She already did that and others will follow her playbook.