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Two more people who knew Tara Reade in the '90s reportedly came forward on Monday to back the former Senate staffer's claims of sexual misconduct against Joe Biden.
Lynda LaCasse, a former next-door neighbor of Reade's and a self-described supporter of Biden spoke on the record with Rich McHugh of Business Insider about past conversations they had with Reade about the allegations.
"This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," LaCasse told Business Insider, recalling a conversation with Reade that occurred in either 1995 or 1996.
Another past acquaintance, Lorraine Sanchez, a former colleague, also recalled past conversations with Reade, though she said did not recall Reade referring to Biden by name.
"[Reade said] she had been sexually harassed by her former boss while she was in DC," Sanchez told the publication, "and as a result of her voicing her concerns to her supervisors, she was let go, fired."
Biden himself has not addressed the claims from Reade -- but his campaign has vehemently denied the allegations.
Reade on Monday confirmed to Fox News the accuracy of how her conversations with LaCasse and Sanchez were described and expressed her deep gratitude towards them for coming forward.
"I am touched that they would step forward knowing the targeted harassment I have received since I made my history with Joe Biden public. I appreciate their candor and bravery," Reade said in a statement.
LaCasse and Sanchez could be cited as more evidence supporting Reade's allegation.
They join Reade's friend, who says they were told about the alleged assault at the time it happened but has chosen to remain anonymous, and her brother Collin Moulton, who recalled Reade describing an incident with Biden involving a "gym bag" as others who have backed her claims. The friend and Moulton both gave interviews to the Intercept.
LaCasse told Business Insider: "I remember her saying, here was this person that she was working for and she idolized him. And he kind of put her up against a wall. And he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her. She felt like she was assaulted, and she really didn't feel there was anything she could do."
LaCasse said that Reade was "upset" when she told her about the allegation and "the more she talked about it, the more she started crying." She said she remembered urging Reade to file a police report but did not recall specific details from the alleged incident, like the location or remarks Biden had allegedly made to Reade.
"I don't remember all the details," LaCasse told Business Insider. "I remember the skirt. I remember the fingers. I remember she was devastated."
LaCasse, a retired staffer of San Luis Obispo General Hospital, said she lived in the same apartment complex as Reade in Morro Bay, Calif. She recalled how the two of them had talked about "violent stories" they've experienced, which was when Reade told her "about the senator that she had worked for and he put his hand up her skirt."
"I personally am a Democrat, a very strong Democrat," LaCasse said. "And I'm for Biden, regardless. But still I have to come out and say this."
Reade's former neighbor insisted that she wasn't asked to come forward and that she "volunteered," saying "If this was me, I would want somebody to stand up for me. It takes a lot of guts to do what she's doing."
"I have to support her just because that's what happened," LaCasse said. "We need to stand up and tell the truth."
Sanchez, who was working as a staffer for California State Senator Jack O'Connell, said she mentored and worked with Reade between 1994 and 1996.
Sanchez said she did not recall Reade referring to Biden by name but remembered "reassuring her that nothing like that would ever happen to her here in our office, that she was in a safe place, free from any sexual harassment."
"It takes great courage and strength to come forward," Sanchez said in praising Reade. "It's much easier to keep silent. However, I also understand the duty we have as women to share our story regardless of who the perpetrator may be."
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On Friday, a 1993 clip from "Larry King Live" surfaced showing an anonymous woman from San Luis Obispo, Calif. phoning into the iconic CNN talk show where she described "problems" her daughter was having with a "prominent senator."
"San Luis Obispo, California, hello," King begins.
"Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington? My daughter has just left there, after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him," the caller says.
"In other words, she had a story to tell but, out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?" King inquires.
"That's true," the woman responds before King cuts away to a panel to discuss her claim.
That woman was Jeanette Altimus, Reade's mother, Reade told news outlets, including Fox News.
Late Friday, the Media Research Center found the clip in its archives after The Intercept first reported on the Aug. 11, 1993 transcript earlier in the day.
Reade took to Twitter to confirm that it was her mother who called in to "Larry King Live."
"This is my mom. I miss her so much and her brave support of me," Reade tweeted about her mother, who died in 2016.
Reade's story first resurfaced in an article in The Intercept on March 24. Podcast host Katie Halper then interviewed Reade, who said that in 1993, a more senior member of Biden's staff asked her to bring the then-senator his gym bag near the U.S. Capitol building, which led to the encounter in question.
"He greeted me, he remembered my name, and then we were alone. It was the strangest thing," Reade told Halper. "There was no like, exchange really. He just had me up against the wall."
Reade said that she was wearing "a business skirt," but "wasn't wearing stockings — it was a hot day."
She continued: "His hands were on me and underneath my clothes, and he went down my skirt and then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers and he was kissing me at the same time and he was saying some things to me."
Reade claimed Biden first asked if she wanted "to go somewhere else."
"I pulled away, he got finished doing what he was doing," Reade said. "He said: 'Come on, man. I heard you liked me.'"
Reade said she tried to share her story last year, but nobody listened to her. Earlier this month, she filed a criminal complaint against Biden with police in Washington, D.C.
Fox News reached out to the Biden campaign on Friday for comment. The campaign referred Fox News to a statement earlier this month from Biden Deputy Campaign Manager Kate Bedingfield that said: "What is clear about this claim: it is untrue. This absolutely did not happen.
"Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women," Bedingfield said. "He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard - and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press."
Speaking to Fox News on Friday, Reade recalled being "furious" at her mother for phoning in to CNN after having watched the clip on a recorded tape following the broadcast.
She told Fox News she "dreamt" about her mother on Thursday night. The following morning, The Intercept's Ryan Grim told her that he found the transcript.
Reade said she "cried" when she watched the clip on Friday evening, telling Fox News it had been years since she had heard her mother's voice. She had urged Reade to file a police report at the time of the alleged assault, Reade said.
"Always listen to your mom, always listen to your mom," an emotional Reade told Fox News.
Still, the mother's interview doesn't specifically corroborate Reade's latest allegations of assault, and could be referring more to the bullying allegations she raised last year. In a 2020 interview, Reade laid more blame with Biden's staffers for "bullying her" than with Biden himself, The Washington Post reported.
Reade has come forward before: Last year, when multiple women emerged claiming inappropriate touching by Biden.
Reade, at the time, claimed Biden put his hands on her shoulders and rubbed his fingers up and down her neck, but was unable to gain traction on her story aside from an article in a local newspaper.
But in recent weeks, Reade told a far more graphic account, with different and more serious details, raising the allegation to the level of sexual assault.
"Now we'll see if a different set of rules still applies to Joe Biden," Erin Perrine, the principal deputy communications for President Trump's re-election campaign, said in a statement to Fox News. "Maybe now at least one reporter will ask him about it."
Fox News has also requested comment from U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who ran against Biden in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary and recently endorsed Biden's campaign after withdrawing from the race.
Joseph A. Wulfsohn is a media reporter for Fox News. Follow him on Twitter @JosephWulfsohn.
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What a shame that the best democrats could round up to take on President Trump is creepy uncle Joe who exhibits the onset of dementia.
Well I am sure the RNC felt the same way when Trump thinned the herd rather handily in 2016.
Shit happens, Joe is the last candidate standing from the 20 plus who started out.
You don't really care, so why bitch about it.
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I thought marrying porn stars, sexual assaults, and paying off porn stars were non-starters since trumpski was elected.
🇺🇸🗽🦅
more back filling by trumpsters, until somebody with access cashes in with a sample of his DNA
"This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," LaCasse told Business Insider
So it happened because she remembers talking about it?
"I don't remember all the details," LaCasse told Business Insider.
Clearly damning evidence these sad hypocrites have dug up in a last ditch attempt to get dirt on the Presidential candidate they know is about to wipe the floor with their chosen commander in-competent.
Remember when they all vehemently condemned the same kind of evidence that came out against their Supreme Court pick?
"In Detailed Letters, Friends Recall Years-Ago Conversations With Blasey Ford About Alleged Attack"
To be sitting there attacking Biden over this so far unfounded single accusation while defending a man who we know for a fact cheated on all three of his wives, has been accused of sexual assault by over two dozen credible women and was even caught on tape admitting he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just starts kissing women he finds attractive and grabs them by the pussy claiming "you can do anything" to women if you're "a star", is truly the height of hypocrisy.
Here are the names of Trumps accusers, none of whom have recanted or changed their stories to this day.
Jessica Leeds
Kristin Anderson
Jill Harth
Lisa Boyne
Temple Taggart McDowell
Cathy Heller
Karena Virginia
Mindy McGillivray
Natasha Stoynoff
Jennifer Murphy
Juliet Huddy
Rachel Crooks
Samantha Holvey
Ninni Laaksonnen
Jessica Drake
Summer Zervos
Cassandra Searles
Alva Johnson
Victoria Hughes (and 4 other Miss Teen USA girls, the youngest being 15 at the time)
Let's also not forget the woman who, in 2008, long before Trump became a candidate for President, accused Trump along with Jeff Epstein of raping her when she was 13. While the case was dismissed in NY for not having jurisdiction, and then later dismissed in California for lack of physical evidence since it had been 14 years, it's interesting to note Trump never counter-sued in that case as he almost always had done when someone accused him of wrongdoing. In 2019 the attorney representing "Jane Doe" reported that AMI (Trumps crony Enquirer buddies who were buying bad stories about him to kill them) tried to get her to drop Jane Doe as a client.
"I represented Ms. Doe for free and there was never any discussion of money or settlement as I strongly believed her allegations should be made public given that Donald Trump was running for president at that time."
"After we received numerous death threats and my law firm's website and emails were hacked, she did not want to go forward," Bloom added.
It's truly insane how so many people come to this obvious scumbags defense, no matter his open associations with Jeffrey Epstein, the dozens of sexual assault accusations, even his own words convict him, yet those with their heads firmly stuffed up his voluminous backside see nothing but a Saint.
"nothing but a Saint"
,
Bernard...Trump ?
What a LYING hippocritical clown
has admitted to, along with the grabbing of headlines and women, as he has and did, pro quid, as he couldn't,
pro bone oh,
is suddenly forgotten and overlooked,
buy his base that bought into
biden be an green one,
whence compared to the Pence sill
Point 'man' non al dente'
.
How the followers of the Clown
can attempt to look at what is thrown out to bring Biden
their time , to bring , biden down,
while ignoring the one way Street Car Named asz Trump's
Desires, too many charges to take,
to take, and trump, Trumps dirty desires,
disspicably displayed daily Bi sexually Deviant Donny,
the Russians Prostitute Portable Johnny/Donny on the Pot smokin
kettle one on the Spot light flow called Black in Back
underwhere there should be Spotted a White Stripe on
Trumps'
Brown Shirt underwear we swear,
how can damn Trump supporters dare
to compare the pussy
grabbin Russian prostitute porn star playmate Stabbing
Westward with the down to earth empathy only feeling
Average Joe...
cause only a wise old Owl
who
eats tootsie pops when on a roll
could ever prey tell
NO ?
The fact that you have to point out Trump just goes to prove the lefts hypocrisy in this matter. TDS is real.
apparently, BDS is real as well, as Trump, pussy grabber in chief, has lowered the office so as it is beneath
the
floor first,
based & ment not,
for he who has proven the WORST
cause so many here are the WHITE Pot.
n knot the porcelan
Throne out with the Yellow bath
for Orange water as Trump does grab him,
a young pussy so Fertile, whilst so many forget,
that is someones Mother, Sister, DAUGHTER !
.
N instead of average Joe being the one to prove his denial holds Water, Trump should prove he never broke his own daughters water, asz Jared looks like a Prison Bitch
and someones scratch to itch, Hopefully, the A whole LOT of them, is soon lead to line punch the joke they have become,
tellin them as out to pasture, they should be
run
hard and to the slaughter
just like Trump tried, with Everybody's DAUGHTER !
The left does love their creepy old hair sniffing, under age titty and butt grabbing hero shotgun Joe.
Yeah boy ..... he’s their man ...
Wood you prefer your daughters hair sniffed,
or pussy grabbed,
would be my question posed ?
I don’t lose sleep over locker room or squad bay talk like a lot of snowflakes do.
Active creepers are a different story though. Do you like creepy old men? Appears like you enjoy them.
only in the Biblical sense
Yep, they would clearly faint in the settings where that occurs regularly.
Funny thing is, the same things happens with women in similar settings but I guess that’s apparently okay ...
i agree, but really, if one had to choose,
if you picked Trump, u will lose
But Trump!🦠🤮🤥💩
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For a very obvious reason.
Trump is deranged.
Amazing how many folks said that in 2016!
You see you just aren’t thinking like a TDS ridden liberal. If you were you would understand that two wrongs against Trump actually do make a right.
Just ask one.
thawt it was three on the left, making three lefts
Two rutabagas and firecracker to the ragasaki narcosis
Trump has 25 accusers, Biden has one. Trump wins again!
Who and where are those accusers again? No one has seen or heard from any of them since November 7, 2016.
Wonder why?
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This is just what a TDS sufferer does, you post a article about Biden and the 1st thing out of their mouth is ,'But Trump'. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Not true. There is a running list with a woman who is currently saying he did.
And here is the thing that cracks me up. You admit they all went away in 2016. How convenient. Just at the time of the election.
Kind of what's happening here with Biden.
Can you say irony?
No one had seen them then either. Then you seem to have forgotten all the little girls Biden has assaulted.
Smoke and mirrors.
Let's make a article about Bidens accuser about me and Trump.
see 2.1.1.
Funny, I don't remember any assault charges being brought up by anyone for that child. Not even her parents... you know why? Nothing happened.
Claiming to be a Independent is easy. You can run hand in hand with the proglibs and when called out for it claim you are a Independent and have no skin in the game. We sure have enough of them here on good old NT.
E Carrol just sued for Mr Trumps DNA at the end of January 2020,
probably lost in all of the nine Trump rallies and 6 Florida golf trips around the same time the virus started.
Easy to overlook.
Some of the others were paid off
and wasn't there a court ruling that no one can depose him while he is POTUS?
Not sure on that one but there are still cases by Gloria Allred that are still in the discovery phase.
oh this ought to be revealing...
Gee - sounds like "Someone" has an axe to grind - "We sure have enough of them here on good old NT" - ya wanna do some "call-outs" KD?
Interesting - wonder what LAW you can show us that states that the "President" of the U.S., while in office, is required to give up his DNA as a defense/offense in a 30 year old "assault".
You been around long enough do I really need to call them out for you? Or you just being obtuse?
Well, it "appears" obvious that you have "some" in your mind - just curious as to whom, in your opinion, do you claim to be Independents who want the "claim but not the skin."? Your answer is gonna be interesting - if you give one.
Here let me explain to you what an independent is.
We don't vote party. But unfortunately, there are only two parties. So depending on who our choices are, that is how we make a decision. I know that is a radical concept for some, who are devoted to just one party, but that is not how it rolls.
So last time I didn't vote for either numbnuts. I know, Hillarious, right? Cause that doesn't get to be old almost 4 years after the fact. But ask me if I care?
So what makes you think that things improved with me and our NY numbnut? Let's see... ummm. no. in fact, they have gotten worse with all the spiteful garbage he has said and done to us.
So, there you have it. Now I could have decided to vote 3rd party like I did last time, but I want him out. And had I been a party member I would have voted for Biden against Hillary but I couldn't in NY, since I am an indie.
So I am doing it now.
You have no idea what my views are. And being an indie doesn't mean middle of the road. It means we go by the issues and who is the candidate. I have voted republican and dem. When was the last time you voted dem?
"Asking for a friend" Bugsy implied he hasn't heard of any complaints against Mr Trump since 2016.
"Answering for a friend", I reminded him of the most recent complaint/ suit/ request.
There is no LAW that I inferred anything about, if fact I believe I asked that question, did I not?
As for the 30 years, she alleges 25 or 24 years ago, oh, and in looking that up, I saw that she also filed suit for defamation against Trump last June or related material.
Perrie is not a leftie or a liberal, I guarantee you. She goes by the issues, issue by issue.
I am glad to see her speak out against Trump at this time, but I am sure it is because of love for country on her part, and not any love for the Democratic Party.
The defamation suit is tied to the DNA request - and, it really won't get answered while Trump is in office.
Not a court ruling - a DOJ decision from donno when.
Thank you 1st.
What are you talking about? You obviously know nothing about being an independent. I have voted for Republicans. I didn't know they were left?
I'm trying to remember. I think the last time I voted for a Republican was when Chuck Percy ran for the Senate in 1979.
Gee whiz, that was 41 years ago.
What's funny is you have video proof of creepy Joe groping on children but that doesn't seem to bother Democrats, I guess must be that birds of a feather saying eh?
And Biden has one? Wow talk about uninformed. But hey what ever delusions you want to live under is your choice as long as your happy.
But..But... Trump...
Hey Frostie - how ya doin' big fella?
OK, you'll notice that on 11/7/16, 25 "accusers" disappeared due to "false claims" (so the media sez), so I fully expect this 1 "accuser" to disappear after the upcoming presidential election.
JMHO ya know.
Found a replacement kitty yet?
All good here. Spent a month in Italy last year and yes, I adopted two kittens. A real handful.
Way to go my man.
Bless you. And they sound like they fit in your family purrfectly.
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Not entirely true. Found this source on a quick Google search. Fairly well cited.
Ok, 25 to 9 now...
Which is the most important to you ?
#believe
They all complain about him being creepy. Do you know how many men in my life have made me feel creepy? On the other hand, do you know how many women have complained about Trump?
So tell me. How many women does he have to assault before you consider it significant?
I have always considered Trump's 25 to be significant. Especially the one's paid off.
You?
“ Ok, 25 to 9 now...”
Sure. But I should hope that on this subject in particular, a score of 1 or more should be cause for concern, and closer consideration.
“ On the other hand, do you know how many women have complained about Trump? ”
Of course I do Perrie, that is one of the reasons I left the Republican party when he was nominated. I don’t much care for any man who assaults or belittles women, even if it were just one woman. My feeling is that where there is one there are likely many more who never speak up. The counts for these two guys are probably much higher than SP’s 25 to 9.
Both of them creep me out and I’m not a woman. But I agree, being creepy and actually being abusive are two different things, neither of which are very presidential.
"My 25 to 9", lol?
Oh how I long for daze of olde,
when no candidates were sullied.
But the sitting POTUS was elected in spite of 16 or 17 allegations both similar to and worse than Reades allegations.
The former VP was elected twice as VP and 7 times as a Senator
in spite of his huggy sniffy reputation plus Reades' allegation.
LOL! A blast from our NV past?
Certainly we were all made fully aware of Trumps accusers and many allegations in the year leading up to the 2016 election. A constant din throughout all of main stream and social media. An eye-opener for me for certain. Like I said, one of the primary reasons I left the Republican party when he won the nomination.
Vox has a pretty fair assessment of the situation surrounding Biden HERE . Note that even they indicate that Ms. Reade's story got much less scrutiny by the main stream media. And I find it interesting that The Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund, which is administered by the National Women’s Law Center, would not offer legal assistance in Reade's case against Biden citing the potential loss of their 501(c)(3) non-profit status were they to pursue a case against a candidate running for federal office. More on that HERE .
Seems to me that organizations like Time's Up's greatest value would be in assisting those who have been abused, harassed or assaulted by elected officials or candidates like Trump or Biden, so that people can make more informed decisions about such people before they are elected to office.
Biden accuser Tara Reade 'not sure' what complaint she claims was filed with Senate says
Matthew 7:1-3
I dont know if Biden grabbed her ***** or not. We as voters really have no way of knowing, although there have been some holes poked in her story.
But it doesnt matter. We elected a president in 2016 that had multiple such accusations hanging over his head at the time.
The country is not going to go back now and throw out a candidate with such accusations directed at him. Its over. Try and beat Biden another way.
We as voters really have no way of knowing...
Like that stopped any progressive from declaring Kavanaugh unfit for office.
Remember, this is just a "job interview" so it doesn't matter if he's guilty.
I knew my seed would be nothing but 'But Trump' from the TDS sufferers. It's awful funny how now accusers need to be scrutinized.
A lot of republican senators believed the woman until Kavanaugh started crying (and ranting)and trump gave them their marching orders.
Biden is not going to leave the ticket because of this, nor will anyone vote against Biden and for Trump because of it.
If you want to keep banging your head against that wall, so be it.
NOW you are being too funny.
And yet you went ahead deliberately, good to know.
Quit your BS John -
In the end, only one Republican senator voted differently from the party line : Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who had previously voted against ending the debate. Yet her vote today didn’t get recorded as a “no.” She instead voted “present,” pairing her vote with senator Steve Daines of Montana, who was attending his daughter’s wedding. Though an old and rare practice, senators are allowed to pair their votes when they go in opposite directions (in this case, Murkowski’s “Nay” and Daines’s “Yea”) if one is not able to attend the vote, as the two votes strike each other out.
Murkowski said she agreed to vote present as a courtesy to her colleague who was otherwise ready to leave his daughter’s wedding to cast his vote.
There was only ONE Republican, Lisa Murkowski, and she voted "Present".
Where is the LOT OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS John?
I didnt comment who voted how.
After the morning session a number of republicans said she was believable.
Then Kavanaugh started crying and they changed their minds.
If you want to comment on that, fine, but dont mischaracterize what I say.
Don'tcha know, this is a mischaracterization seed JR, complete with the same juvenile memes and gifs we all know and love.
/s
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No one is forcing you to read it let alone comment on it.
You can move on if it upsets you so much.
Well thank you so much for your permission, but let me also say, right back at you.
(Actually is IS my job to review all articles & seeds, but you know that.)
Rarely am I upset with anything other than meaningless personal attacks by members on each other...
No problem.
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally,you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.”
Joe Biden attacking Kavanaugh
So let's judge Joe Biden by the standards he uses to judge others
You are proving my point about political expedience. Thank you.
You seem to forget I didn't agree with that.
proving my point about political expedience. Thank you
Yes, Biden and the people who judged Kavanaugh guilty are hypocrites. I
I don't recall you ever defending Kavanaugh. Biden every chance you get. But never Kavanaugh, as least to my recollection.
Says you. No one has ever come close until this last woman to calling him anything but touchy. Trump was pretty touchy too, but this is an individual's call, and I was never part of the #metoo movement.
I didn't like Kavanaugh personally since I thought he behaved like a privileged brat, but I never said anything about him being a sexual predator.
Did you read what Biden said? He said "if a women comes forward nationally, you have to presume the essence of her complaint is real." Is he, or any progressive who supported the Kavanaugh witchhunt, applying that standard to Biden? Of course not.
Biden refuses to apply the same standards to himself that he applies to others (when it's to his advantage to do so). He's a massive hypocrite.
He has publicly apologized for that publicly. No one other than this one woman who conveniently came out now has accused him of anything more than being inappropriate. And please explain to me how he is refusing to hold himself to the same standard when he publicly apologized to the other women.
When did Biden publicly apologize for that? When did he apologize to Kavanaugh?
And please explain to me how he is refusing to hold himself to the same stand
when did he say reades allegation was true? Do you understand what he said?
He said if a woman comes forward with an accusation, we should believe the basis of the accusation is true.
And not surprising the #metoo movement is silent. In fact one of the loudest of that group is actually supporting the POS Biden.
Jeremy,
And the same people who had no problem with a man who talked about grabbing people by the pussy are now feigning outrage with Biden, where no one has said anything about him for over 40 years of service. I guess we all pick our poison, right?
some, quite selectively.
On one hand you have a person who’s had a well documented, organized, vicious character assassination program held against him for over three years that has proven nothing but words and on the hand you have a person with a well documented creeper mentality.
The poison I see?
Actions always speak louder than words.
Well, I will grant you that Mr. Trumps history has been well documented, in many case through the courts
and through out of court settlements, a favorite of his.
Only in the eyes of the beholder. I remember rolling my eyes when I first saw the pictures Marla and Ivana
at the same ski resort, but as a long term resident of the area, we expected that sort of behavior from the self
promoting real estate gambler and casino wrecker.
Trump created his own image over the decades which was fine until he stepped on to a national stage.
He was always jealous of the Bushes and Obama, now, maybe not so much.
Yes, yes they do.
Sparty,
You have got to be kidding? This is a man, who long before he was president, had women complaining about his behavior and grabbiness when he owned the Miss America Contest. And he actually said he grabs pussy.
And then you have another guy, that at best people can call creepy. 40 years and no record of complaints other than that.
Loki,
Your first article you posted is the same one that Freewill posted and none of those women said he did anything but seem creepy. Your other article is about Congress in general.
How do you explain this:
This was well known long before he ran for president.
I just don't see how anyone can dismiss one and get indignant about the other.
It doesn't matter. I have come to the conclusion that some actually could care less about the woman. She is just being used as a gotcha for them.
I also see the severe double standard. The same people that bent over backwards for Kavanaugh are now doing backflips in defence of this woman.
I use the news app on my phone and fox has right now about five different stories about this.
I, myself find it extremely odd and timely, that the woman didn't want to tell anyone, herself making it clear she didn't want to make accusations against a 'senator'.
Now all the sudden she was running around telling her neighbor, co-workers etc.
25 Women accuse trump of sexual misconduct.
I have to agree with you, Ender. The whole thing just stinks. Meanwhile, her story has changed radically. I'm just rolling my eyes at this fake indignation.
You are too funny Loki. Trump has actual sexual allegations and you make it sound like he is just a horny man. But Biden is accused of smelling and hugging to long, and this is the big deal. And the fact that this has all happened in public kind of shows he didn't mean it sexually. Did his actions make those women feel uncomfortable? Sure. But Trump actually has major allegations and you are OK with that. Says he grabs pussy and you are OK with that.
SMH.
Your relentless defense of Biden when accused of a sexual assault is very telling.
No one has defended Trumps actions that I see here. Only stating the obvious double standard when a Republican is accused to when a Democrat is accused.
Trump had an affair with a porn star. Which is wrong to me, but like the Democrats said about Hound Dog Billy what happens in a marriage stays in the marriage.
He said he liked to grab pussy, discussing comment, but why did NBC hold on to it so long?
Honestly, I don't think Franken should have reigned. All over a picture he posed for.
Was it stupid? Probably. Yet no where near the accusations we hear (about others) today.
I just can't get over the fact that some people think Biden should step aside meanwhile let trump slide for the same, if not worse.
Just shows me it is only being used for political points.
And the relentless dismissal of what donald has been accused of.
donald has been accused of the same as Biden, if not worse, and by more people.
If Biden is to be perceived as guilty, why not donald?
I think that is the point Perrie is trying to make.
Saying Dems should automatically defend this woman and jump on Biden or else they are being hypocritical. Meanwhile completely ignoring the accusations against donald and saying they have no merit or are not worth discussing.
Why is one side held to a different standard than the other?
I don't see anyone here dismissing Trumps actions.
Can we focus on Biden?
if Only there wasn’t an actual allegation that Biden raped a woman, you might have a point.
I think it is very relevant.
So you believe the accusations against Biden yet not believe the accusations against donald or Kavanaugh?
Let each accusation stand on it's own merit.
Trump has nothing to do with this accusation of rape against Biden.
He never did... so twist and turn but these accusations are partisan hackery.
So you are going to avoid the question.
Funny, I don't recall any trial that has said that Biden was a rapist.
You do know that making unsustained claims can result in libel, right?
Lets focus on both. They are both running for president.
I make no decision about either candidate....it is all old and I could speculate on either one.
You don't know the truth either, you just have an opinion.
You can believe who ever you wish, I really don't care who you believe.
The double standard on the political reaction to sexual allegations is very real though.
Again, those who wish to only deflect to Trump is very telling of themselves.
Whaaaat? You haven't seeded enough TDS articles about Trump?
How is it deflection? You either believe one and not the other, believe both, or none.
The deflection is side stepping what was asked. Which you still refuse to do.
So I will take the non answer as an answer.
Thus one of my points. It is all just political football.
Discussing Trump on a seed about Biden is deflection....does it really need an explanation?
The answer you didn't want doesn't make it a non-answer.
I am not the one that brought up donald. That discussion had been ongoing.
If one wants to dare call off topic, do so for every other comment as well.
A non answer is still a non answer.
When no answer was given, one cannot claim an answer was dismissed.
yes it is
Let me explain something to you Loki I wasn't making libel threats. I stated a fact. Where did I say that I was going to report you?
You on the other hand just outright threatened me.
Now let me explain the law. The comments of this site do not represent my opinion, and they are not presented as the truth by me. That is not the case with the blogger.
And now that I have explained that, you are going to get a two week suspension for that threat.
Yeah, it’s kinda like deja vu all over again, and again and again ..... I’ve said This more than once and it applies here as well.
Decades old accusations that magically to come light suddenly when one party or another has a partisan axe to grind hold less water for me. In that regard I view this accusation the same as ones against Kavanaugh, Trump, Judge Thomas, etc, etc. Not saying they are all BS but they certainly are more questionable considering the circumstances they are made under.
The only reason I bring the Biden one up is the clear hypocrisy on display attempting to make bad behavior somehow worse when it’s perceived Trump doing it.
unlike others here I’m not defending anyone but like I said actions do speak louder than words in that actions really happened and words are spoken. Not necessarily proof of anything but the spoken words.
So completely correct. If someone was demanding the right of due process for Kavanaugh then they must demand the same rights now for Biden.
At the same time, if someone was screaming for Kavanaugh to be taken out and hung from the nearest tree (and there were a few like that) then they must stand up and demand the same treatment now for Biden.
These political party games are not going away and I'm afraid they are just going to get worse. The sad part I see is that so many people allow themselves to be so manipulated by party politics that they lose sight that to the power elite this is just a game and we are merely tokens on the playing board.
It does get repeated again and again. Someone runs for office or gets nominated for a post and all the sudden, guess what happened thirty years ago.
I actually thought the whole Kavanaugh thing was more or less an embarrassment.
The truth is I don't know what happened in any of the high profile cases and probably never will.
I would never want to dismiss claims yet there has at times, although be it very few, some that had been fabricated.
My main contention is that politicians have been hound dogs, if not predators for years. Yet politicizing it and making it one side versus the other does an injustice to not only victims but to all of us.
I don't want to come off as callous or indifferent yet I believe cases like this make the public more so.
Agreed
I'm in total agreement with all of you.
"Somebody's out of their fucking mind"
besides me...?
Why hasn't any of this come up the other times Joe Biden ran for president or when he was chosen to be VP ?
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I have been 'asking for a friend', that very question, over & over.
As a matter of fact I believe she joined the #metoo movement last August as a victim of the Biden hair touching and sniffing support group.
As I said else where, since it has escalated to "penetration" in recent days,
when does she reveal their 27 year old love child to the world.
Now, THAT, might change a few opinions...
I haven't heard this one. At first she said there was none.
Fingers
Ah, thanks.
What really sucks about making things like this political is it muddies the water.
Why does it matter?
Why did the lying pos Christine Ford wait years?
Ford gave her reason, Kavanaugh was now nominated to the Supreme Court.
I guess when Biden ran for vice-president, the so called heartbeat away from the presidency, it wasnt serious enough yet for Reade.
And Kavanaugh was just a US Circuit Court Judge appointed prior and she never said a word.
Vice President/Circuit Court Judge
Presidential candidate/Supreme Court Appointee
See any correlation there?
I see a comedic correlation there.
The lid of this Pandora’s box has been broken off and thrown away.
BFD. Trump has not only done worse, but brags about it.
Even if true so what?
Does that somehow justify Biden’s creepy actions?
Nope.
BFD. Trump has not only done worse, but brags about it.
So raping one woman is fine with you. Just as long as a candidate doesn't say "grab'em by the pussy"
I don't know what country you live in, but in the USA, you are innocent until proven guilty. That has not happened yet.
u are innocent until proven guilty.
Funny, but the people claiming that didn't extend that principle to Kavanaugh. Or Trump. Now suddenly, it's outrageous to evne question a politician about a 30 year old incident, let alone assume guilt.
The post I responded to assumes the complaint is correct. And justifies ignoring it becuase Trump has done worse (and he's never been convicted of anyting either).
Sexual assault, misconduct, etc. is not a joke. That said, I'm not quick to get on board with a 20-30 year old claim. I was once (used loosely) accused by a girl, who told some mutual friends that I had been a bad actor. Thankfully, one of the friends confronted me, and after talking about it, went back to the accuser, who then told a story consistent with my recollection of the evening. The short version is that she drove to my house, after midnight and uninvited. My roommate let her in, and she disrobed and jumped into my bed, where I was sleeping. Turns out, she used me to get back at her boyfriend and developed a guilty conscience. When her friends asked her where she disappeared to, instead of coming clean, she weaved a yarn.
What if she tells the guilty conscience story to friends that I don't know? Friends that don't come to me? Scary to think about. I could be facing the same situation as Biden. 20-30 year old allegation that friends recall hearing of at the time. Yeah, I'm not on board with the me too garbage, or the roasting of someone in the press. Investigate? Sure. Put it to rest though.
For the record, I took no issue with being used...only the accusation.
Honestly, I have been saying since the #metoo movement, that this could be a possibility. I think that girls/women who really have been sexually abused should come forward and find their justice, but I also said that it could lead to men being unjustifiably accused for various reasons. It's a tough situation. Neither should happen, but it does since we are dealing with people and people are flawed.
There is too much power in the accusation. 20-30 years gone by? Hell, how do you defend that?
That said, there is a ton of hypocrisy going on here.
Spot on Perrie.
Let's just park this here for minute...........................
I’m aware of the new developments in Tara Reade’s accusation against Joe Biden. I want Tara, like every other survivor, to have the space to be heard and seen without being used as fodder. I hear and see you, Tara. # MeToo
Well color me confused..also from yesterday
I thought no one, especially conservatives, cared what liberal Hollywood types thought about anything, especially politics?
Just curious though, Is Fox right and the Daily Caller (
) wrong?
or the other way round?
I'm sure your confused but maybe this will help.
See most people understand the difference between Earlier this month and Monday one comment was made a few weeks ago and the other a couple days ago. Do you understand now?
Not confused at all, but thanks for trying to help a brother out.
You would think that a large organization like Fox would update the story in the course of chasing down the truth instead of publishing that story at the same time the Caller published theirs.
Maybe it just proof of the "entertainment " part of the corporate Fox name.
Doubtful, as I did not write any article or seed anything about Kavenaugh.
But, hey you be you.
Your words not mine. I might suggest you actually read the article you are posting next time instead of the headline, that may help.
You are 100% correct. thanks again.
True. Probably many times.
False. Who could I convict?
Glory Allred is too busy right now, eating ice cream, twitting and talking with her daughter and 2 exes, lounging in the back yard, maybe having a beer or two....etc.
She doesn't have the time to put as much "Effort" into Reade's accusation, as she did for others right now.
I guess she's not "That Much" into Women's rights as she tried to come across...….BEFORE Reade !
Gloria Allred = "American women's rights attorney known for taking high-profile and often controversial cases".
I'd say this Biden accusation by a woman, is a bit "Controversial"....wouldn't you ?
Maybe she's already said she'd represent Joe.
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Reade is calling for Biden to release her personell records...
Let's see which Democrats support that.
What public tribunal will Reade testify before? Who will interrogate her the way Ford was interrogated by the Senate? In what public forum will she be forced to reconcile the inconsistencies in her story?
Or do you think this will all be done on Fox News panels?
I'd say the House could call her as a witness, but the House will only meet if it's a emergency, and per Nancy Pelosi, there is no emergency occurring right now.
But my point was that elected Democrats could exert their power as Democrats about to nominate a Presidential candidate. If Democrats actually cared about rape allegations as anything other than a stunt to attack Republicans, they could pressure Biden to comply and make their support contingent on the records being produced. But we know they don't care if Biden raped this girl or not and they sure don't want to make any evidence public that would hurt Joe Biden.
Sound like echoes of the past...
Mr. Obama release those transcripts and other documents rumored to be "sealed".
This seems to fit here. If you feel it is inaccurate, I would not be opposed to discussion.
Interesting.
Freewill,
I am always skeptical of memes, and so I did a simple google search, "Tara Reade accusation articles by CNN". I found way more than 2, which always leads me to other questions about the meme. And while I was looking, I found a Fox article that stated:
Which is a whole different thing than staying that CNN only did 2 article on Tara Reade. And it should also be noted that the source of that analysis was "The Daily Wire", which leans very to the right, so it would have a similar agenda as who they are accusing (CNN) which as it turns out, is not true either.
Same here Perrie. I saw this one attached to a tweet, and while I don't expect it is 100% accurate (especially on the CNN article count aspect), it is an interesting summary that is for the most part fair in the comparison of the facts/evidence in the two quite similar cases and how they were handled by the media. Even if it wasn't 700 to 2 CNN articles, certainly there is a vast difference in the coverage and types of coverage each case received.
Of the CNN articles you found in your Google search, how many were in defense of Biden (or casting doubt on his accuser), vs. how many were quick to pillory Kavanaugh (and/or suggest that his accuser be believed without question)? And perhaps we could go ahead and include other mainstream media outlets in that same analysis. Can the difference really, truthfully, be denied?
Clearly there are agendas at work surrounding stories like this and both sides will exaggerate their positions (via memes or otherwise), but when one boils it down to the facts/evidence in each case, I think it is very clear that they were not handled by the mainstream media with an objective, consistent lens. There are at least as many, even more, reasons to believe Ms. Reade as pointed out in this meme, yet the mainstream media coverage does not bear that out.
The third item down in the meme I think is particularly relevant. Ms. Reade's account is corroborated by several who recall her telling them about it shortly after it allegedly happened. Ms. Blasey Ford had no such witnesses who recalled anything other than some bits and pieces she told them more recently, not at the time of the alleged incident. Certainly that alone deserves more media attention and presents more of a reason to investigate further. But all that stopped when Biden simply denied that it ever happened. Did the same denial by Kavanaugh stop the media speculation and frenzy in that case? I think we both know the answer to that question. And that is the only point I wish to make and the meme, regardless of the source or precise numbers, helps to illustrate that point.
Other than the CNN article count, are the other checked items in the meme fairly accurate in your mind? I believe those are pretty accurate based on the facts I have seen, but if you have evidence to the contrary I am always willing to learn.
Ms Reade supposedly told 7 people. 5 don't remember her ever being there, 2 say that they remember her telling them about it, but 1 won't talk and the other is her mother. It's all hearsay anyway. btw.. her story also changed over the years.
Ms. Ford was attacked at a party in college by 2 boys of which she says Kavanaugh was one of them. It is not unusual for college girls not to report these things and even when they do, they are often told not to do anything about it by the administration, even now. Why? because it is hearsay.
It's not that I believe or disbelieve either woman. What I find their timing is a bit questionable.
The press is a whole different issue. But I have grown to realize that people pick the poison they want to drink from and there is plenty out there on both sides of the political spectrum.
Both remember the time and place of the event. I have found no evidence that either can produce an exact day. So that is the first and second check.
Number 3 has been discussed above.
The scrubbing of social accounts has only been found on conservative sites. On the liberal side, there is this:
So once again, we are stuck believing who?
As for the alleged perp being of age, rape is rape, even for minors. But the event was purported to happen when Kavanaugh was 17 and she was15. He would have been charged as an adult in all 50 states, so again that is misleading.
Hence why I don't trust memes of this sort.
You are correct. It should be 700 to zero. Since CNN didn't cover the story at all in the amount of time it ran 700 stories on Forde's accusations. CNN ignored the story and didn't even mention her until after a month had passed.
Not entirely true, there are at least 3 witnesses, her brother, a neighbor/friend, and a collegue she worked with after leaving Biden's office who recall her talking about the harassment and assault very shortly after it happened. Ms. Lacasse's story being particularly compelling as indicated here .
But you are correct, all hearsay, yet certainly more compelling hearsay than in the Kavanugh matter.
Can't argue with that my friend.
Precisely and that is the main point I am trying to make. The approach to and attitude toward these cases were completely different despite the differences in the witness accounts and corroborating details.
Well not exactly, and Ms. Fords recollection conflicted with other testimony:
Time Magazine and a few other sources actually reported that two other men had come forward claiming to have been the ones who assaulted Ford, not Kavanaugh.
Understood, don't blame you. But sometimes such memes can be the basis for more focused discussion.The whole point of this meme is to illustrate that despite the level of corroboration and clearer details about Ms. Reade's story, the mainstream media focus was much different for her story than it was for Ford's. The media focus in the Kavanaugh case was on believing her story even where it was less believable and the details more murky, and to paint Kavanaugh as devilishly guilty without due process so as to keep him from being confirmed. The stories in Ms. Reade's case have been much different, more focused on questioning the veracity of her account, and less focused on holding Biden accountable like the stories written about Kavanaugh. Most of the mainstream media stories have been more focused on how Biden and the Democrats are going to deal with this, and on the testimony of those who still work for Biden claiming they recall nothing despite at least 7 other women making claims of past harassment and inappropriate touching. I am seeking only to hold the main stream media accountable for their unbalanced approach on such serious matters (for both the accuser and the accused).
Despite what others think, I could care less whether Trump or Biden wins the upcoming election, to me we are looking at a lose-lose situation there anyway. Thanks for the discussion. I think we have both made our case and might need to agree to disagree on the details.
Sean,
I searched back and that isn't true. And even if it was, all the other outlets did. I checked that, too.
What's not true? How many stories on Reade did CNN run in the 19 days after March 24th? What network do you believe has devoted an equal amount of coverage of Forde and Reade?
You are moving the goalposts. The point is the vast disparity in coverage, which you've not addressed. As soon as the Forde story was published, it became the number one story in America for weeks.
t is not unusual for college girls not to report these things and even when they do, they are often told not to do anything about it by the administration, even now. Why? because it is hearsay.
That's not true at all. First, she was in high school when this supposedly happened, at least in the version she told the Senate. She was older in other versions. .
Describing a rape that happened to you is not "hearsay." A victim of a crime is always allowed to tell what happened to them in Court and, by itself, their story is enough enough to find a defendant guilty.
Third, accusers in college have been allowed to have their supposed accuser thrown out of school without even having to be questioned about it. I don't think you are aware of what's going on at universities.
Wow, revival of a patient gone for almost three weeks, here and nationally.
The Daily Wire, heir apparent to the National Enquirer.
It.... is..... aaaaaliiiiiiiiivvvve! (-:
Are you saying it is no longer relevant simply because Biden denied the allegations 2.5 weeks ago? Careful now, you could be making my point for me here. (-:
Tara Reade has aired her grievance.
What do you want now?
Let her submit herself to a hostile inquiry, like Ford did at the Senate hearings. Short of that , what is the point of publicizing this story every day, or every other day? Everyone has heard her accusation, now people should either produce proof that it is true, or let it go.
Joe Biden is not going to drop out of the race over this, as the facts stand now.
Continuing with it in the news every day can only help Trump. Do you want to help Trump?
Tara Reade associated herself with anti Biden people in the media, to tell her story. That was a very questionable move. Why did she go to the Intercept and Rolling Stone? Why didnt she go to ABC or CBS?
She is trying to get Sanders inserted into Bidens presumed spot as the Democratic presidential candidate, and I think that makes her position suspicious.
But even if Biden did it, it is politically immaterial, ever since Trump stayed on the GOP ticket in 2016 after 15 or so women accused him of sexual related harrassment/assault.
The horse is out of the barn.
I'd like the mainstream media and news sources to treat such stories equally and honestly going forward. Is that acceptable to you? I think it would be best for all involved, especially those who may actually be victims of such assault. You can see my reasoning and where my focus has been here by reading the comments above, no need to question my motives or read something into them that isn't there.
Certainly that is one aspect of these two cases that differs. Good point. Because of the process in confirming a justice of the court, Ms. Ford did need to testify and weather the additional scrutiny. But Ms. Reade is not faced with such an inquiry in front of the Senate or legal body. The problem with bringing her case to court is the time that has passed and the primarily hearsay evidence on which a case might be heard, as Perrie pointed out above. Her only recourse would be to appeal her case to the court of public opinion and she has already seen what that entails in the MSM.
Perhaps you are right. Now how would you have reacted to that suggestion during the Kavanaugh case? How about the Trump cases? You want to let those go too? How many here based on what you have read in the article above, or in general across the political blogosphere, are willing to let those go?
You know very well that I have no desire to help Trump. But do you really feel that Reade's complaint should be dropped just because it might help re-elect Trump? What sort of example or message does that send to those who might be victims of sexual assault, especially at the hands of those in political power? That is the very sort of thinking that skews the coverage of these types of cases, and allows some of these guys to get away with it.
That is a good point. To be fair, she did go to the NYT in April and the AP did a story on it in May, but I think you saw how she was treated by the NYT. Perhaps she will open herself up more to interviews with other media outlets. If they would unseal the records at the Secretary of the Senate's office and at the U of D, perhaps there might be more to talk about, yes?
No argument from me on that point. That marked the end of my voter registration with the Republican Party. Now registered Independent.
Maybe so, but do you really think we have to keep letting more of those sorts of horses out of the barn due simply to a rival party precedent?
What else is she going to do? I guess she could find a lawyer that will sue him on some basis.
If not, yes, she should drop it. What is the alternative to dropping it, going over the whole thing a thousand times between now and November?
If she has any other "evidence" then bring it forward. If not, then let it fade away. Most of the women that accused Trump did not get this sort of coverage across months. Some of them were only in the news for a couple days.
Ford got a lot of press during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing, and not any before or after.
She can keep telling her story to everyone that will listen, but unless they are going to have congressional hearings about it then yes, it should end as a major story.
Understood. And that may very well be what it comes to. However, one potentially key piece of evidence might be locked away in his Senate Secretaries Records until after Biden leaves public office. Rather convenient for him, but it is what it is. There also might be further evidence of a complaint in Biden's Senate archives kept at the University of Delaware, that so far Biden has refused to request.