How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by the Atlanta Police - The New York Times

  

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How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by the Atlanta Police - The New York Times
One officer has been fired and another placed on administrative duty. A Times video analysis shows the sequence of events leading to the fatal shooting.

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One officer has been fired and another placed on administrative duty. A Times video analysis shows the sequence of events leading to the fatal shooting.

14-brooks-cover2-articleLarge.png?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale Police officers in Atlanta performed a sobriety test on Rayshard Brooks late Friday. Mr. Brooks was fatally shot while fleeing the scene after a tussle with the officers.Credit...Kiara Owens, via Facebook

By Malachy Browne and Christina Kelso

  • June 14, 2020Updated 10:09 a.m. ET

The Atlanta Police Department said early Sunday that an officer had been fired over the fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks, 27, at a Wendy's restaurant. The officer, Garrett Rolfe, who had worked with the department since 2013, fired his handgun three times while he was chasing Mr. Brooks, who the authorities said had seized a Taser from an officer and fired it as he ran. Another officer on the scene, Devin Brosnan, who has been with the department for less than two years, was placed on administrative duty.

The Times analyzed eyewitness videos and security camera footage of the events to determine what happened in the minutes preceding Mr. Brooks's death. We synchronized the footage to determine precisely when Officer Rolfe fired his gun, and we reviewed other details of the shooting released by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Here's a detailed breakdown of how events unfolded:

At 10:33 p.m. Friday , police officers were called to Wendy's restaurant at 125 University Ave. in South Atlanta. Mr. Brooks had fallen asleep in his vehicle, which was parked in the drive-through, causing other customers to drive around him, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said in a statement.

The chronology below uses the time-stamp displayed on security camera footage recorded at Wendy's, which was released by the bureau. We have been unable to confirm whether the security camera's time-stamp is correct.

10:54 p.m. Officer Brosnan is already at the scene when Officer Rolfe pulls up in an S.U.V. Officer Rolfe exits the driver's side of the vehicle and joins Officer Brosnan.

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Officer Brosnan and Officer Rolfe are at the scene for at least 25 minutes before the shooting happens. They perform a sobriety test on Mr. Brooks, as we can see in this video filmed by a witness, who was in line at the drive-through.

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11:22 p.m. According to the G.B.I., Mr. Brooks failed the sobriety test, and the officers attempted to take him into custody. Less than a minute later, Mr. Brooks was shot.

Video filmed by another witness shows Mr. Brooks grappling with the officers on the ground. He seizes a Taser from Officer Brosnan, stands up and punches Officer Rolfe. Officer Rolfe fires his Taser gun three times. The darts hit Mr. Brooks, and Officer Rolfe continues trying to stun him.
Mr. Brooks runs away, holding Officer Brosnan's Taser gun. Officer Rolfe gives chase, and continues to try to stun Mr. Brooks.

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The security camera footage filmed at Wendy's shows Officer Rolfe chasing Mr. Brooks. In seconds, Officer Rolfe passes his Taser from his right hand to his left hand, and reaches for his handgun.

While being chased, and in full stride, Mr. Brooks looks behind him, points the Taser he is holding in Officer Rolfe's direction and fires it. The flash of the Taser suggests that Mr. Brooks did not fire it with any real accuracy.

Officer Rolfe discards the Taser he is carrying, draws his handgun and fires it three times at Mr. Brooks as he is running away. Mr. Brooks falls to the ground. Warning: this footage is disturbing.

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11:23 p.m. For the next minute, Officer Rolfe and Officer Brosnan stand over Mr. Brooks, who is injured but moving on the ground, and occasionally reach down to him. Officer Brosnan appears to use his radio. Neither officer appears to provide medical assistance to Mr. Brooks. Another police car arrives at the scene.

11:24 p.m. Another video shows Officer Rolfe running back to his S.U.V. and calling for help over his radio. Bystanders denounce the shooting to a third police officer who is at the scene.

11:25 p.m Officer Rolfe and Officer Brosnan begin to provide medical treatment. Officer Rolfe appears to unroll a bandage and place it on Mr. Brooks's torso.

11:30 p.m. An ambulance arrives. Eight minutes later, Mr. Brooks is taken to a hospital, where he dies after surgery.

Muyi Xiao contributed research.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

I have been listening to this case discussed for about a half an hour. 

Georgia law does not consider a taser to be a deadly weapon, so what justifies shooting to kill someone running away with a taser in their hand?  Shooting should not have been necessary, but even if the cop thought he had to stop this drunk man at all costs, why didnt he shoot him in the leg? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
so what justifies shooting to kill someone running away with a taser in their hand?

While he stole and ran with the taser, when he turned and pointed 'something' at the officer, what was the LEO to do, ask politely if he might examine what the man was pointing to determine if it was a a gun justifying lethal force?

In that type of situation, and you point ANYTHING at me, I will consider my life in immediate danger and act accordingly.  

why didnt he shoot him in the leg? 

ALL people that are taught to shoot, whether it is a LEO or a civilian taking defensive shooting courses are taught to shoot for the LARGEST TARGET.  That target is known as "Center Mass".  The part of the body from the neck down to the hip area, it's called the torso.  It ensures the greatest chance of hitting the target and STOPPING THE THREAT.

Plus, unlike Hollywood where a person can shoot someone between the eyes while falling down the stair well using the body of another as a cushion for the ten stories fall, get up and walk away, this is the real world.

If a LEO tries to shoot someone in the leg (as Biden suggests) and misses, who behind that individual is going to be the lucky winner and allowed to stop the bullet?   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    one month ago
While he stole and ran with the taser, when he turned and pointed 'something' at the officer,

So if he was pointing his finger at the cop it would have justified shoot to kill? The cop has been fired, so I guess his superiors didnt think it was justified. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
The cop has been fired, so I guess his superiors didnt think it was justified.

The last I heard he was on administrative leave pending an INVESTIGATION.   

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.3  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    one month ago

To show why the police are frustrated with the spinless politicians, Just a few days ago the POS pandering fucktard of a mayor claimed 6 officers used deadly force on 2 college students, (tasers) and wanted them charged.  now she says deadly force wasn't necessary because a taser isn't deadly force, If i was an officer in Atlanta i would tell her she was on her own and post that in social media.  The Atlanta police will no longer providing security for the mayor is support of our brothers and sisters protesting....

 
 
 
zuksam
1.1.4  zuksam  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

Under the circumstances he created yes it was justified. He decided to resist arrest and fight the cops. He decided to steal the cops weapon. He decided to fire that weapon over his shoulder at the cop. The videos show that the police were polite and did their jobs as they are supposed to and it was the suspect who became violent. The suspect essentially committed suicide by cop, he did everything he possibly could to produce that result and he got what he asked for. As much as I hope the Cops who murdered George Floyd go to prison this case is totally justified. As far as the Cop being fired I'm sure he will sue and win.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Brooks was asleep, drunk, in the drive through line at a Wendy's in Atlanta. The Wendy's employees called 911, the cops came, got Brooks out of his car and gave him a sobriety test. Brooks failed and so the cops arrested him. Brooks resisted arrest, got hold of one of the cops taser, and ran away. As he was running away he was shot in the back by one of the cops. 

One of the questions being asked is why did Wendy's not call a tow truck and have the man, asleep, towed out of the drive through lane? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
As he was running away he was shot in the back by one of the cops. 

BULLSHIT.  Period end of story.

Brooks started fighting with the LEO's when they tried to put the cuffs on him.  Brooks stole the taser (weapon) of one officer and ran with it.  (Those actions made the likely DUI charge escalate to felony charges of assault and evading arrest plus theft.) Brooks TURNED to face the officers, Taser in hand and apparently fired at the officer.  The LEO returned fire at Brooks, but is was NOT//NOT in his back.

Don't dare to attempt that "Hands up don't shoot" bullshit line from Ferguson.

Simple answer.  That's what 911 is for.  Let the law enforcement handle the unknown situation rather than have a civilian walk into a potnetially life threatening situation.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    one month ago

The video shows him being shot in the back. 

The cop that shot him has already been fired by the Atlanta Police department. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    one month ago
Let the law enforcement handle the unknown situation rather than have a civilian walk into a potnetially life threatening situation.

The man was sleeping. 

 
 
 
loki12
2.1.3  loki12  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    one month ago
The man was sleeping.

Hindsight is always 20/20, unless you are looking at things out your ass John, What if he had a medical emergency john? what if he had OD John, you have no idea why he was passed out, FFS it could have been Covid related, we only know now he was drunk because he was interviewed by first responders....the police, and than he acted like a thug POS, but yeah, lets just call a tow truck and let him die in his car somewhere else.   That may be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, Not surprised it came from the "protestors" in Atlanta. pretty sure there are no MENSA's that support something that fucking stupid.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  loki12 @2.1.3    one month ago

Yiu are right, they just can’t leave someone passed out or even maybe sleeping in a car and not see what is going on. The person could of had a heart attack..  that is just common sense.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    one month ago
The video shows him being shot in the back. 

So what?

The cop that shot him has already been fired by the Atlanta Police department. 

Yeah, the pussies in charge fired him.

Wrongfully, I believe.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    one month ago
The man was sleeping. 

He damn sure wasn't sleeping when he resisted arrest, tussled with the officers, stole a taser, ran away, and turned and fired AT THE OFFICER.

If you want to feel bad for the "victim", feel bad that he was such a moronic imbecile.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    4 weeks ago
The LEO returned fire at Brooks, but is was NOT//NOT in his back.

Officer fired three times at a distance of 12 to 15 feet, missing once, striking Brooks IN THE BACK TWICE.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rayshard-brooks-atlanta-homicide-gunshot-wounds-back-autopsy

 

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.1.8  dennis smith  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

One of the local politicians said they could have just called a UBER ride for the man. 

No one in their right mind would accept take a passenger like that

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.1.9  Kathleen  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

The problem is he was over the alcohol limit and behind the wheel of a car. So that means he was probably driving drunk and that is a crime. The local politician is an idiot for saying that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

Not sure who said it, but I heard someone on tv say "Why didn't they just let him walk home?"

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

I don't know about there, but here by law, a tow truck can't hook a car if it is occupied.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago

It’s Wendy’s fault now?

its their responsibility to handle drunk drivers? Who needs police when the cashier at Wendy’s can handle felonies, and serve fries too!

at want point do you think the person who stole a taser from police and then fired it at them could have acted a little differently?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3    one month ago

Brooks could have acted differently.  Still, people resisting arrest and then running away should not be shot in the back. 

 
 
 
MUVA
2.3.2  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    one month ago

He shouldn't have fought the police and have taken a weapon then turn and pointed that weapon at a police officer justified shooting.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.3  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @2.3.2    4 weeks ago
He shouldn't have fought the police

Correct...

and have taken a weapon then turn and

Tasers are not considered deadly weapons in Georgia.

Shooting the Taser over the officers head, or in his general direction

eliminated the ability of the Taser to seriously injure the officers, but would have added another charge against him

including DUI, PI, resisting, assualting and fleeing police.

pointed that weapon at a police officer justified shooting .

That's not your call.

None of that warrants shooting him twice in the back.

Autopsy shows 2 in the back.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rayshard-brooks-atlanta-homicide-gunshot-wounds-back-autopsy

Video shows they "policed the three brass cartridges before" checking

the victims medical condition.

They rolled him over with a foot.

They checked for a pulse almost two minutes after he was shot.

They did not care if he died or not.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
Brooks was asleep, drunk, in the drive through line at a Wendy's in Atlanta. The Wendy's employees called 911, the cops came, got Brooks out of his car and gave him a sobriety test. Brooks failed and so the cops arrested him. Brooks resisted arrest, got hold of one of the cops taser, and ran away. As he was running away he was shot in the back by one of the cops.

Re-read the emphasized part.  THIS is why it went down the way it did.  Had Brooks cooperated this wouldn't have escalated to the level it had.

One of the questions being asked is why did Wendy's not call a tow truck and have the man, asleep, towed out of the drive through lane? 

Because it's illegal to to a vehicle with an occupant.  The Wendy's employees did the right thing.  People really need to do some research before asking stupid questions like that.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.5  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
One of the questions being asked is why did Wendy's not call a tow truck and have the man, asleep, towed out of the drive through lane? 

First, not their damn job; and why the hell should they pay for it?

Second, any damage done to the man's car by the tow and he would have sued both Wendy's and towing company.

Third, where the hell do they tow him to? A spot in their parking lot where he will hopefully sleep it off? If he wakes up and decides to drive somewhere and injures/kills anyone- guess who the plaintiffs will come asking for.

Fourth other posters are correct- it is illegal to tow a vehicle with a passenger in it.

Wendy's did the right thing calling the police to get someone driving under the influence off the streets. Not their fault the drunk turning out to be a raging imbecile that opted for death by cop.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3  Kathleen    one month ago

From what I read on CNN, he failed a sobriety test. Then he resisted arrest, then struggled with the offers and took the taser gun. Then he ran away and pointed the taster, or any kind of gun at the officer. Keep in mind that that could have been any kind of gun other then that taser.  So when you point something at the officer then they have to defend themselves. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3    one month ago

The cop was no more than 10 ft behind Brooks when he shot him three times. He saw what was in Brooks hand. The area was hardly pitch black.  

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Kathleen
3.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    one month ago

Then he turns around and points the taser, or something at the officer. You left that part out. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.1.1    one month ago
You left that part out. 

The cop was no more than 10 ft behind Brooks when he shot him three times. He saw what was in Brooks hand.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    one month ago
He saw what was in Brooks hand.

You're assuming he could tell what it was. Tasers look just like a gun

BLUE LIVES MATTER!

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

The police could have called a protester to take over instead of even responding.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2  loki12  replied to  Kathleen @3    one month ago

Come on Kathleen, he was passed out in a car, we should have just towed him away and let him die without even investigating what was wrong with him,  (s)   

On a side note, people keep asking why this keeps happening, In about 99% of the cases the stupid jackass fights with the police and tries to grab their weapon or has a weapon themselves.  So yeah, a good question is why does this keep happening? how stupid do you have to be to figure out not to fight with the police?  

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  loki12 @3.2    one month ago

Why did he fight.... Why didn’t he just go in with the officer... all this could have been avoided.... smh.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.1    one month ago

In terms of wrongful act by the police, it is only a question of whether or not the cop was justified in shooting him in the back. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
3.2.3  Gazoo  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.1    one month ago

I agree, Kathleen. If brooks had done what police told him to do he’d be alive today. We never hear liberals condemn the acts of minorities, only police.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.4  Kathleen  replied to  loki12 @3.2    one month ago

I just read his response about towing the car. Lol 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.1    one month ago

This is a screen shot taken from the video a few seconds before Brooks was shot and killed by the police. 

800

It seems to be quite clear what Brooks has in his hand. He is holding it out in front of him, a few feet from the cop. 

Start video at 3:40 mark or so. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.4    one month ago

Kathleen , watch the video and then try to tell me with a straight face that the cop didnt shoot him in the back,  or that the cop didnt know what was in the man's hand.  By Georgia law a taser is not a deadly weapon.  That is why the cop was fired. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    one month ago

What did the autopsy say?  Hard to tell by the angle and it was a split second. I am not going to argue about this anymore with you. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.7    one month ago

who are you going to believe , conservative media or your (or mine)  lyin eyes?  The video clearly shows him being shot in the back.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.9  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    one month ago

Can only shake my head that people believe any of this deserves a death sentence.

People saying resisting arrest deserves a death sentence.

People saying running from the cops deserves a death sentence.

Sickening.

 
 
 
Pedro
3.2.10  Pedro  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

This.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

Its always tragicomical when cops run up to someone who has just been shot multiple times and tell the person to "put your hands behind your back". 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.12  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

Where did I say that anyone deserves a death penalty? Prove I said those exact words.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.13  Ender  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.12    one month ago

You don't have to use exact words when you have been continually trying to justify the actions.

 
 
 
Pedro
3.2.14  Pedro  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.7    one month ago
What did the autopsy say?

What would you like it to say? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.15  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @3.2.13    one month ago

There is no shortage of people putting words in everyone’s mouth on here. I am not going to waste anymore of my time on this. I don’t agree with hurting and killing anyone .  Done.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.16  Kathleen  replied to  Pedro @3.2.14    one month ago

What really happened.

 
 
 
Pedro
3.2.17  Pedro  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.16    one month ago

I'd call that a 50/50 proposition. Maybe that will be the case. That said, there is no disputing what a person can literally witness directly. It's recorded and indisputable.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.18  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    one month ago
The unedited video shows Brooks turned enough to point directly behind him.  BLUE LIVES MATTER!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.19  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

No, it doesn't deserve a death sentence, but turning around and pointing an object that looks very much like a gun at a cop,

will more often than not will get the pugnacious punk shot. Happens all the time. Brooks did not have to fight the cops.

Looks like suicide by cop, and a good shoot

BLUE LIVES MATTER!

 

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.20  loki12  replied to  Ender @3.2.13    one month ago

The stupid motherfucker is the one that decided his life was worthless when he resisted arrest and grabbed the officers stun gun. The intelligent people knew his life was worthless when he drunk drove to wendy's putting everyone at risk. Amazing how many people hate the police that they will defend this worthless bag of shit.   I say if it saved one life getting this drunk driving douchebag off the street, good riddance.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.21  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.19    one month ago

Still trying to justify what happened.

The cop knew what he had and knew it wasn't a gun.

He was shot in the back when trying to run.

Cops are not executioners.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.22  loki12  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.19    one month ago
Looks like suicide by cop

I don't think he had the capacity to think that, I think it was just another moron who made a fatally stupid mistake with a blood alcohol over the legal limit by 25% at the minimum, I'm just glad the stupid douchebag only managed to kill himself and nobody else.    

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.23  Ender  replied to  loki12 @3.2.20    one month ago

So you are all for trial by execution.

No due process just kill them.

Somehow I am not surprised.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.24  loki12  replied to  Ender @3.2.21    one month ago
Cops are not executioners

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loki12
3.2.25  loki12  replied to  Ender @3.2.23    one month ago
So you are all for trial by execution.

[deleted]

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.26  Ender  replied to  loki12 @3.2.25    one month ago

Fall down your own rabbit hole.

The cop executed the man. If you cannot see that is wrong, there is no help.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.27  loki12  replied to  Ender @3.2.26    one month ago
The cop executed the man.

Bullshit, he made a split second decision in the heat of battle, [deleted] not surprising that you would defend that. Why is that ender? Why is that worthless bastard Obama special?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
3.2.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.5    one month ago
It seems to be quite clear what Brooks has in his hand. He is holding it out in front of him, a few feet from the cop.

It's easy to play armchair quarterback. Put yourself in their position. Where you (sitting in the comfort of your armchair) can see what's going on after the fact via video. That officer actually in confrontation with a belligerent drunkard on the street doesn't have that advantage.  

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.29  Ender  replied to  loki12 @3.2.27    one month ago

In the heat of battle? 

Justify it all you want, it is on video.

The man was fired and now can be prosecuted.

And again, fall down your own rabbit hole, I ain't biting.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.30  loki12  replied to  Ender @3.2.29    one month ago
And again, fall down your own rabbit hole, I ain't biting.

[deleted.] Just like ferguson this officer will walk and the low function douchebags will burn their city because they can't act like grown ups. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.31  MUVA  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    one month ago

He didn't get a death sentence he got killed in the commission of a felony it is plain and simple. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.32  Ender  replied to  MUVA @3.2.31    one month ago

You are right. He didn't get a chance to be sentenced to anything. He was executed beforehand.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.33  MUVA  replied to  Ender @3.2.32    one month ago

No he died because of his own actions first he resisted arrest then he fought the police a  felony  the he took the  policemen weapon a second felony then pointed the weapon and discharged the weapon at the police and was shot in the commission of a felony a justified shooting.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.34  Ender  replied to  MUVA @3.2.33    one month ago

Bullshit. Even his actions did not warrant a death penalty.

Those arguing otherwise make me wonder if they actually care about law and order and/or even life of others.

The penalty did not fit the crime, no matter how much you try to blame the victim.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.35  MUVA  replied to  Ender @3.2.34    one month ago

My brother spent 22 years as a FBI agent serving fugitive warrants drug interdiction  and was a supervising special agent for 6 years and ran the violent crimes unit for the west coast had shoot outs with criminals.He  was suspend for shooting a criminal in the back that had pull a weapon and tried to shoot him over his shoulder. I have seen what can happen when leftist anti police law enforcement types get involved and don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.36  Ender  replied to  MUVA @3.2.35    one month ago

I don't give a shit what your brother did. We can all see what happens when power corrupts.

Sick and sad that you will continue to justify shooting someone dead then have the nerve to blame leftist people.

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.2.39  dennis smith  replied to  Ender @3.2.32    4 weeks ago

Defund the police is the battle cry. I would rather see additional training, rubber bullets, having other resources respond to a 911 call based on the nature of the call, etc.

The mayors and governors of the most affected large cities and states need to be replaced, they are unable to govern and are having knee jerk reactions to a centuries old problem.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.40  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.2.21    4 weeks ago
The cop knew what he had and knew it wasn't a gun.

You don't know that for sure.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.41  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.40    4 weeks ago

Uh, the man grabbed his tazer and set it off rendering it useless, then started running.

He didn't know if it was a gun my ass.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.42  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.41    4 weeks ago
Uh, the man grabbed his tazer and set it off rendering it useless, then started running.

Uhhh, you'd better watch again. He did NOT set off the taser when he grabbed it. Here is a link to the story, actually the link above, that shows the sequence and the man firing the taser when he turned around..............so bullshit. Look at the video with captioning just above the 11:23 time stamp in the story. And then get back to us. I'll even give you the link to you don't have to go up top to get it...........................

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.html

Still not a death sentence action.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.43  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.42    4 weeks ago

So yes, the tazer he grabbed he set off. You still can't tell me the same tazer he grabbed and then set off all the sudden turns into a gun.

Still not a death sentence action.

Thank you. At least we can agree on that.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.43    4 weeks ago

Didn't say that it turned into a gun. And if that's an excuse for the officer, perhaps he should have already retired. And he didn't set it off WHEN he grabbed it or it wouldn't have fired again. This was a taser with the electric leads that fire out of it. Just like the one the officer "shot" at him during the chase. You can see the leads and I believe they noted as such during the video when the officer fired the one he had........................

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.45  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.44    4 weeks ago

That seems to be the excuse from some people, that he could have had a gun.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.46  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.45    4 weeks ago

Agreed and it's BS unless his own or his partner's gun was not holstered or in his hand. I understand heat of the moment but that was nuts. Gun indeed. Some people just look for an excuse to excuse bad behavior. Sad.

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.47  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.46    4 weeks ago

One thing I don't think ever gets addressed in all of this is mental health. Not trying to excuse any bad behavior but I think it is something that needs to be looked at.

We all know officers usually deal with the seedier side of life and over time I think it can make some become jaded and cynical, if not form hatred inside of them.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.2.48  Kathleen  replied to  Ender @3.2.47    4 weeks ago

I would imagine the day in and day out of dealing with violent people could take a toll on a person. Also the fact that you just don't know what some of these people can do at the last minute. Cops literally are at risk all the time. I not believe he should have died though.

It's a damn if you do and damn if you don't kind of job. I wouldn't want it and I am sure many on the site would not want it either.

 
 
 
loki12
5  loki12    one month ago

When i read this headline here i thought it was overly cynical,

It Is Time To Face The Facts. We Cannot Be United.

Now i realize it may be more accurate then I thought,  The cop in Minnesota executed Floyd, Period! no excuse no defense, it was 100% wrong and the full force and weight of the justice system need to fall on him. Full Stop.  This action was condemned by everyone I have read here, not a single person left or right that I have seen supports this cops actions. If someone did post it. i would like to see it.

And yet so many here defend Obama doing the exact same thing, Why is that? is executing citizens with out due process not wrong no matter who does it? or is your integrity based on the Label D or R?  It's amazing how many have no integrity or honor when it comes to their side doing it.  Knowing full well this whole thing will get deleted, anybody who supports what Obama did and is outraged by what the POS cop in Minnesota did is a hypocrite. Period! They are both murderous POS! 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

Of course it was Wendy's fault so a bunch of asshats burned it down.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

One would think that a police officer undergoes training and has the physical ability to outrun a drunken man.

 
 
 
dennis smith
7.1  dennis smith  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    4 weeks ago

Reform to police training has been needed for decades if not centuries but neither dems or repubs have had the political courage/will to work together at city state or federal levels. Hopefully that will not be done.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    4 weeks ago

The guy had an adrenaline rush fueled by the fight or flight reflex.  Suddenly he became Jesse Owens.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.2    4 weeks ago

Well, I'm sorry to have to say this, but he's at least partly to blame for his own death.  Once he was being handcuffed (as the videos indicated) he was better off complying with his arrest than trying to run away. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.2.1    4 weeks ago

True, but you never know what or won't freak you out as did the cuffs did with this guy.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8  It Is ME    4 weeks ago

If he only hadn't pointed and pulled the trigger on that taser "HE STOLE" !

Things woulda just been fine.

1 Night in the "Hold"..... Max.

 
 
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