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Dr. Birx Says America Should Have Locked Down Like Italy: ‘People Weren’t Allowed Out of Their Houses’ Except for Necessities

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  4 years ago  •  36 comments

Dr. Birx Says America Should Have Locked Down Like Italy: ‘People Weren’t Allowed Out of Their Houses’ Except for Necessities

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Dr. Deborah Birx, one of the key members of the White House coronavirus task force, said in a new interview Monday that the U.S. lockdown should have looked like Italy’s.

“I wish that when we went into lockdown, we looked like Italy,” she said. “But when Italy locked down, I mean, people weren’t allowed out of their houses, and they couldn’t come out but once every two weeks to buy groceries for one hour, and they had to have a certificate that said they were allowed.”

Birx went on to say, “Americans don’t react well to that kind of prohibition.”

You can watch above, via CNN.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago

The country of Italy had 320 new cases in the past 24 hours. 

The U.S. state of Texas had 7,908

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

So are you suggesting a lock down now? Or a complete lock down 6 months ago?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago

There are too many people in the US that will freak out if required to "lock down".  I guess Italians are a far more disciplined people than we are. 

For every way we are "exceptional" in a good way, there is another instance where we are "exceptional" in a bad way.  It would be nice if we would stop fooling ourselves but it's probably not going to happen.  The society of morons known as QAnon is growing. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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1.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago

How about proof of Trump's failure to protect Americans in the face of the Covid virus.

But hey.... 171,000 dead Americans is what it is.....right?

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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1.1.3  Duck Hawk  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago

You do realize that we have more dead Americans due to Covid 19 than have been killed in combat since 1945? I find that number appalling, but hey I'm just an old Marine.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.2    4 years ago

Yeah, that's all on Trump. /S

The partisan ignorance on display here at times is really quite amazing but i suppose there are always a few useful idiots who buy the shinola that's being shoveled.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    4 years ago

In China, the people were NOT FORCED to stay in their homes, but did so VOLUNTARILY, with only one in a family leaving for necessities while carefully following the mask and social distance and washing guidelines.  A cultural difference made all the difference. China is pretty well entirely back to normal now, and I know from my own eyes and advice that I trust that China's reported numbers are not far from reality. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 years ago

What about going to work, or using public transportation?

 
 
 
shona1
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2.2  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 years ago

A/noon Buzz..No that is not quite right..maybe in your city but in parts of Wuhan it was different..People were actually being welded into their apartments because repeat offenders were getting out. This was captured on mobile phones. Soldiers rocking up and welding gear out and gates welded shut on apartment doorways. An Aussie in an apartment complex was saying how his neighbour an elderly lady was dragged out and put in a van and disappeared. Her crime had a temperature and was unwell but could not get help. A neighbour dobbed her in to the authorities. One woman screaming and banging pans for help as her mother was dieing up in a high rise building....No one came. Yes and there was a dead body in the street a man had collapsed and died, near a small grocery shop..a few people came over and gave him a shove with their foot..It was reported took the authorities approx an hour to arrive and remove him..Yep grim stuff and eye opening..All shown here on a program called 4 Corners a few months ago now when all this started and all filmed by Chinese citizens and leaked...The Chinese government would never screen or show you that, but they are fools everyone has a camera these days and it will and does get out..Probably another reason why the Chinese Government has us in the gun at the moment....they will get over it..one day...Stay well and stay safe...

When Australia’s ABC Four Corners television team first decided to produce a program on the coronavirus outbreak in China , most of the critical footage had already been shot.

The clips were filmed on mobile phones by residents and visitors to Wuhan, the city at the epicenter of the outbreak. They showed people with the virus being dragged into vans by police, bodies left on the street and on hospital floors, and — perhaps most shockingly — officials welding the doors of apartment buildings as neighbors looked on, expressing fears that this was being done to seal people inside.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  shona1 @2.2    4 years ago

If the news I see and read is correct, Australia is having somewhat of an upsurge of the virus these days, so I hope you stay safe. 

 
 
 
shona1
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2.2.2  shona1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.1    4 years ago

Evening Buzz....Only Melbourne the Capital of my State Victoria has got a second wave...The rest of Australia has no new cases at all or very few..Our borders between States have been closed and  the wearing of face masks in Victoria is now mandatory...Basically it all boils down to people not doing their jobs properly...People were in quarantine hotels in Melbourne and the so called security guards let me go shopping or out for meals etc and the guards ended getting infected and then they went on to other security jobs and home infecting them and so on...So yep they stuffed it up big time..Melbourne is in a 6 week stage 4 lock down..curfew is also in place from 8pm to 5am..and we are now starting to see results..the infection rate today is 222 people and we have had 17 deaths..All up we have lost 438 souls Australia wide...heart breaking..And unfortunately New Zealand has also had a second out break in Auckland so after 102 virus free days it has once again reappeared..Persistent damn thing...I have to go back to Melbourne on Thursday for further treatment but at the end of the day you follow all the safety advice and just have to take your chances and get on with it...Even in my town we had 16 infections but luckily only direct family members were infected and no community transmission. We are now down to 5 active cases and fingers crossed they to will be fine. One man who I knew passed away 3 weeks ago from the virus he was 59...Hard to get your head around how the virus has reached its hand around the world to our small town and caused a fatality..But it is what it is and just have to make the best of it...Keep safe too....Have a good evening...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

I wish I could say that I thought that would work.  Unfortunately, the hoarders here started emptying the shelves here so quickly that it was hard to find 2 weeks' worth of food in grocery stores.  I found myself going shopping more often, rather than less, and going to several different stores per trip.  I still have to go to Costco weekly for things I used to order online, because they're not available online and are limited one per customer.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    4 years ago

We never had any problem getting basic food necessities.    Now some items were obviously problematic for a long time because of the hoarders.   Specifically TP and hand sanitizer.   I swear some folks were taking baths in the stuff and using TP to dry off.

Those didn't really affect us though because, being the last boy scout that i am, i always have a ready supply of TP and soap.   Still working on the Costco packs of both i had well before this pandemic.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    4 years ago

I was already stocked up on toilet paper (had most of a Costco pack), paper towels (still working on the Costco pack I bought pre-Covid) and some canned goods.  I had trouble finding disinfectants, and various foods at different times.  One week, the meat coolers were empty.  Another week, there was no pasta or rice, and many canned foods were skimpy.  Eggs would be rare, then plentiful but expensive (I heard $5/dozen at times), and flour and yeast were usually gone at the same time as bread.  I couldn't find hand sanitizer or antibacterial soap, but regular hand soap, which is what I use at home anyway, was fine.  I still can't find Clorox wipes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    4 years ago

I'm still trying to find Lysol or Clorox or any decent disinfectant for home and work, YOU CANNOT BUY IT ANYWHERE.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    4 years ago

I've always been able to find bleach, but I can't use it on my kitchen countertops, or it will ruin them.  I have one bottle of Fantastic, but can't find anymore.  I was using Pinesol to disinfect my kitchen counters, but it left a residue and took the numbers off of the dials for my stove. I've been stocking up on Scrubbing Bubbles bathroom cleaner, which I can use on my kitchen counters if I need to.

But premoistened wipes?  Can't find those.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.3    4 years ago

I can't stand bleach.  It's seems like it gets up in my sinuses and I don't care for it.  

I was able to find Windex disinfectant spray for work and home.  Couldn't find any type of disinfectant spray.  Lysol has always been my go to - but you can't find it anywhere .  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    4 years ago

Yeah, i was talking basic foods.   Can't eat Clorox wipes

Only food basics that got sparse at times in my grocery were some canned goods, fruits and veggies.   Meats, eggs, cheese and such got lower than usual but were never out.   I suppose that might be more true in more populated areas though.   Only things that got hoarded really bad here were TP and disinfectants.

I swear, some folks have garages full of that stuff still.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    4 years ago

So true - when the restrictions were first put in place, when I went to Giant, practically everything on the shelves was stripped bare.  I saw these two women with two carts absolutely full to the brim.  That was before they restricted people to only a certain amount of paper towels or whatever.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    4 years ago

I saw one woman at Food Lion with half the conveyor belt stacked up with meat.  There was hardly any left in the coolers.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    4 years ago

Strong measures are more effective in solving lots of problems - not just disease outbreaks. But the United States just doesn't function that way. I guarantee you if Trump or any governor had tried something that severe, there would have been huge fights over it. 

 
 
 
zuksam
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4.2  zuksam  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago

You know full well that Trump is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in the eyes of the Left. The Left would have loved for Trump to recommend a lockdown so they could say he was Dictator. Even if he had done this and it worked they would have said "But at what cost to Freedom". Anyone who has any sense can see that the majority of Covid deaths are from failures within our heath care system mostly Nursing homes but also in hospitals they failed to protect the most vulnerable. It's no wonder so many elderly were avoiding getting medical care, they knew people who died or were dying of covid and the vast majority had caught it while staying in a Hospital or Nursing home which should have been the safest places.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  zuksam @4.2    4 years ago

I think different people would have seen it in different ways. Gov. Cuomo did it, and most New Yorkers agreed with him and complied. I am sure the Gov of the Republican states were on board, their people would have been on board. 

I have looked at the numbers for the nursing homes and it seems that that has been a failure across the board. Maybe that should tell us something about not putting mom or dad in those places. My mom and dad and my hubby's dad live at home. Matt's dad has a caretaker 5 days a week, and then he comes to stay with us. He's 92 and a life long type 1 diabetic with Parkinson's. Had he been in a nursing home, he probably would have been dead, but instead he is doing just fine. 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
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4.2.2  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.1    4 years ago
Maybe that should tell us something about not putting mom or dad in those places.

Hell, no one wants to end up there, nor put mom and dad there. Fact is, its an unavoidable "option" for many. Another fact. The people residing in nursing homes are the most vulnerable. IMO, the question isn't really how many people in nursing homes died. (apparently there are issues on what that number actually is) It's whether or not that was the right call. Personally, I think its debatable. Tough moral decision, but that's what it is. I wasn't faced with it, and I can't sit here and armchair it now.

The interesting thing is the number of deaths. NY has double the deaths of its next closest competitor, New Jersey, and triple the third place state, California. Roughly 40% of all deaths are from 5 NE states, NY, NJ, PA, MD, and MA. If you throw in all of the states in the NE, you get closer to 45%.

Maybe the rest of the states will catch up. I don't know. The of deaths isn't trending elsewhere, like it did in NY, NJ, etc. though. Obviously, the number of deaths continue to climb, but there hasn't been that huge jump like there was in the NE. Ex, NY's daily cases jumped mid March, and the daily deaths jump late March. NY reported over 20K deaths in April. What contributed to that, I don't know. Let's hope we don't see a big jump in deaths elsewhere though. Barring a huge waive of deaths, the trend suggests it won't happen. 

What I do know is that, as you and I have agreed upon in the past, playing politics with this is bullshit, and there are many people around the country that are doing just that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  zuksam @4.2    4 years ago

It would have been helpful if tRump acknowledged the incoming threat rather than deflecting it and essentially denying it for over TWO MONTHS.  He did nothing at all until it was TOO LATE.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  gooseisgone @4.2.4    4 years ago

Or the original ban Jan 31st.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
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4.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago
if Trump or any governor had tried something that severe, there would have been huge fights over it. 

Would have been? These are unique times. The left, all at the same time, is arguing that Trump 1) did not exercise enough of his constitutional authority to police the respective states and people, and 2) that he has no constitutional authority to do what they claim he didn't do in number 1.

"It's so plain and obvious it's not even debatable," added Kathleen Bergin, a professor at Cornell Law School.

"Trump has no authority to ease social distancing, or to open schools or private businesses," she said. "These are matters for states to decide under their power to promote public health and welfare, a power guaranteed by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Despite what he claims, no president has absolute authority over domestic policy, and he certainly has no power to override the type of measures that have been taken across the country that have proved successful in flattening the curve."

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, a Democrat, told NPR's Morning Edition Tuesday: "The reality is that the president does not have the authority to tell the states what to do in this regard. We put the executive orders in place. We're the ones who are responsible for the safety and health of the people of our states."

Let's read the learned professor's words again.

"These are matters for states to decide under their power to promote public health and welfare, a power guaranteed by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution."

Only liberals can get away with speaking out of both sides of their mouths like this. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Transyferous Rex @4.3    4 years ago
Only liberals can get away with speaking out of both sides of their mouths like this. 

I think it happens because some liberals know so much that isn't true.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.1    4 years ago

Lol .... you mean reality and truth don't have a liberal bias as they like to spew?

Say it ain't so Joe!

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Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    4 years ago

Dr. Birx makes the claim that the US should have not allowed people out of their houses without specific permission while standing in front of a lawn that allows 100 ft of separation.

Shutting down the US in the same manner that Italy shut down wouldn't have worked.  There are too many institutional, systemic, and geographic differences between the US and Italy to allow imposing those types of restrictions.  The continental United States encompasses four time zones; Italy is in one time zone.  Italy, which is the geographical size of one state, has the luxury of closing its borders; the states in the US do not have that luxury.  Italy is more dependent upon mass transit and has the luxury of shutting down that mass transit system to control spread of the virus; the US can't do that.

For the United States the best preventative measure would have been to close the national borders earlier and isolate hot spots within the country with travel restrictions.  That's essentially what Italy did.  But the United States needed to adopt a regional approach that is unnecessary in Italy.  Italy wouldn't even be a region in the United States so making the comparison between the US and Italy is nothing more than political lunacy.  

The Italian measures could have been implemented in New York City but they weren't.  Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio were threatening all sorts of legal actions if the Federal government isolated New York City or New York state.  The political left erupted in outrage at the mere suggestion of the Federal government imposing Italian measures on New York.  So, the reality is that the pandemic wasn't controlled early on simply because of the stupidity of the political left.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @5    4 years ago
"The political left erupted in outrage at the mere suggestion of the Federal government imposing Italian measures on New York.  So, the reality is that the pandemic wasn't controlled early on simply because of the stupidity of the political left."

You don't appear to deal in reality.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6  Paula Bartholomew    4 years ago

As long as we have self entitled aholes who refuse to follow simple protocols, we will continue to have dead and dying people.

 
 
 
freepress
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7  freepress    4 years ago

In the reality show capital of the world with a reality show president what did she expect. She jumped on the Trump train and did her own damage to America in failing to forcefully advocate for this kind of response.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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7.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  freepress @7    4 years ago

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