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Opinion | As it turns out, there really was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia - The Washington Post

  

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Via:  jbb  •  4 years ago  •  50 comments

By:   Jennifer Rubin (Washington Post)

Opinion | As it turns out, there really was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia - The Washington Post
The Senate Intelligence Committee report is damning.

Is anyone paying attention? Trump colluded with Russia in 2016!


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The investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III ended anticlimactically. Although Mueller's report detailed evidence of Russian interference and the Trump team's welcome receipt of help from Moscow, there was insufficient evidence on the so-called "collusion" — that is conspiracy — to rise to the level of criminality. However, thanks to the misleading spin from Attorney General William P. Barr, the extent of the cooperation — collusion, in laymen's terms — was obscured.

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On Tuesday, the Republican-chaired Senate Intelligence Committee released a report with damning details of the extent of cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence operatives.

The Post reports: "The long-awaited report from the Senate Intelligence Committee contains dozens of new findings that appear to show more direct links between Trump associates and Russian intelligence, and pierces the president's long-standing attempts to dismiss the Kremlin's intervention on his behalf as a hoax." These include a determination "that a longtime partner of Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was, in fact, a Russian intelligence officer."

Also according to The Post:

The report also for the first time cites evidence that that alleged operative, Konstantin Kilimnik, may have been directly involved in the Russian plot to break into a Democratic Party computer network and provide plundered files to the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks. . . . It offers new proof that former national security adviser Michael Flynn lied about his conversations with the Russia's ambassador to the United States, raises troubling questions about Manafort's decision to squander a plea agreement with prosecutors by lying to Mueller's team, and accuses Blackwater founder Erik Prince of 'deceptive' accounts of his meetings with a Russian oligarch in the Seychelles weeks before Trump was sworn into office.

Just as Norman Eisen, former counsel for the House impeachment managers, detailed in his book "A Case for the American People: The United States v. Donald J. Trump," the intelligence committee report suggests, according to The Post, that there was evidence Trump had lied about discussions concerning Roger Stone and the WikiLeaks release of stolen Democratic emails. "Collusion simply means Trump and those around him wrongly working together with Russia and its satellites, and the fact of that has long been apparent," Eisen told me. "Indeed, it was clear to anyone with eyes from the moment Trump asked, 'Russia, if you're listening.' " Eisen added, "The Senate report is a valuable contribution advancing our understanding, including explaining former Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort's nexus to Russian intelligence. The report further elucidates our understanding of collusion via WikiLeaks, which acted as a Russian cut-out."

In addition, the Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016, with Manafort and Donald Trump Jr. included Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian attorney and, according to the report "part of a broader influence operation targeting the United States that was coordinated, at least in part with elements of the Russian government."

That Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), the acting committee chairman, declared there was no evidence of collusion is belied by the mounds of evidence in the bombshell-filled report. Eisen tweeted, "I said it was collusion at the time and I have not wavered. Every additional piece of evidence that has come in has only proved it more."

Max Bergmann, who runs the Center for American Progress's Moscow Project told me, "He did it. He colluded with Russia during the 2016 election." He added, "The bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee should erase any lingering doubt that Trump and his campaign deliberately sought out and coordinated with Russia and its influence operations during the election." Moreover, "the report also demonstrates that the president of the United States is a clear counterintelligence threat to the country. He is not only compromised by his close contact with the Kremlin but he eagerly sought out covert Russian support in 2016." Bergmann warns that "Trump is certainly willing to cheat again in 2020, and there is no doubt the Kremlin will do what it can to help him."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged proof of the "alarming lengths to which Donald Trump and his campaign welcomed and relied on a hostile foreign power's interference in the 2016 election." However, Pelosi stressed Russia's ongoing efforts to interfere with our election and Trump's apparent unwillingness to defend our democracy. "America's intelligence and law enforcement communities have made clear that the Russian Government is continuing to wage a massive intervention campaign to benefit the President, warning of a '365-days-a-year threat' to compromise the 2020 elections and undermine our democracy."

The bipartisan committee report should leave us with a number of troubling loose ends.

First, it is almost inconceivable that Mueller did not find the same factual tidbits that the Senate did. Whether the special counsel was unable to obtain cooperation of certain witnesses or felt constrained by Trump's constant bullying is unknown. We come away with the conclusion that he did not find the facts that were there, and that he did not explain with enough clarity and urgency what significance they had.

Second, Rubio and every Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee had access to information pointing to a clear pattern of collusion. For them to continue to defend Trump, look the other way when more evidence of improper conduct with a foreign government (i.e., Ukraine) and impugn Democrats for following the facts is nothing short of reprehensible.

Finally, we are left with the question of why Trump behaved as he did. Was he trying to cement a business deal underway during the 2016 campaign, or was he simply disloyal to the United States, willing to use an enemy's help and then lie to cover it up? Given the president's current behavior and his willingness to wreak havoc on our elections to hold on to power, I suspect it is the latter. Whatever the reason, as Eisen put it: "With this latest and bipartisan exposure of the whole sordid tale, there can be no remaining doubt. Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia to help them win the 2016 election."


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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    4 years ago

The US Senate report, dubbed The Rubio Report, damns Trump's 2016 campaign for colluding with Russia. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JBB @1    4 years ago

They had their chance to remove that parasite from the WH and blew it.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1    4 years ago

It could be accomplished successfully in days if the gop wasn't in the bag with Putin and Trump!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1    4 years ago

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Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.2    4 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    4 years ago

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Texan1211
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1.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.4    4 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JBB @1.1.1    4 years ago

Hopefully Biden will drain that swamp with the first to go is the Turtle.  It is a good thing he is from the Jelly state because I know quite a few people from there who want to bend him over and do to him what he has been doing to KY for years.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    4 years ago

Read this and then get back to us...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/18/senate-details-paul-manafort-ties-russian-intel-officer-kilimnik/3390437001/?utm_source=AMP&utm_medium=UpNext

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.1.7    4 years ago

I am right here now. no need to get back to you.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.9  seeder  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    4 years ago

Then why didn't you admit you were wrong?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.1.9    4 years ago

wrong?

wtf?

the claim was made (sweeping generalization) that the GOP is "traitorous scum" and I disagree with it. that doesn't make me wrong, but go ahead and take a fucking shot at proving me wrong instead of flapping your gums about it.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JBB @1.1.9    4 years ago

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Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @1    4 years ago

There NEVER was, NOR is there now, ANY credible evidence of collusion

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 years ago

bullchit

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 years ago

WRONGO!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @1.2.2    4 years ago
WRONGO!

Then seed the report that shows it. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.2.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 years ago
There NEVER was, NOR is there now, ANY credible evidence of collusion

Dog-do.

Just because you don't find the evidence (released to date) credible, doesn't make it so.  We are going to learn what hasn't yet been told after Trump is no longer a 'sitting president'.  

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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1.2.5  Duck Hawk  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 years ago

The committee's BIPARTISAN report admits there was collusion, it also shows just how f' up the Senate's "trial" was. It shows that Conservatives in the Senate were willing to put Party over Country. ( Something I think is treasonous.)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.2.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.4    4 years ago

Once he is gone from the WH, Putin will sing like a canary as he no longer will have any use for him.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Duck Hawk @1.2.5    4 years ago

The committee's BIPARTISAN report admits there was collusion,

It does no such thing. Just because some  left wing clickbait site claims that, doesn’t make it true.  The report  confirmed the findings of the mueller report.

also shows just how f' up the Senate's "trial" was. It shows that conservatives 

So it appears you don’t really understand anything that’s happened.  The house refused to impeach trump over the “collusion” theory. Largely Because mueller demonstrated no collusion existed. The senate report covers the same ground as the mueller report (with additional information about how nonsensical the Steele dossier was).

simply put, there is no relationship between the senate report issued yesterday and the impeachment trial. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 years ago
There NEVER was, NOR is there now, ANY credible evidence of collusion

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Paula Bartholomew
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1.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.8    4 years ago

Geeze Louise, even when the GOP admits there was collusion, some Trumpbots either bury their heads in the sand or stick their fingers in their ears and yell "NO NO NO NO NO!"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.9    4 years ago
ze Louise, even when the GOP admits there was collusion

Why don't you show us where in the report it says that? To make a claim like that and not be able to support it.....

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.9    4 years ago

Geeze Louise, even when the GOP admits there was collusion, some Trumpbots either bury their heads in the sand or stick their fingers in their ears and yell "NO NO NO NO NO!"

Don't forget some that are paid to yell, "NO NO NO NO NO!"

 
 
 
JBB
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2  seeder  JBB    4 years ago

The gop cannot get away with denial now. This was the gop's own Senate Report. "THE RUBIO REPORT".

From now on the deniers all look like dumbasses...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @2    4 years ago

From now on the deniers all look like dumbasses...

they already did, just further illustrating their dumbassery

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JBB @2    4 years ago

They already did before this.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

After what, 5 tries, you’ve resorted to Jennifer Rubin, the  craziest person on the internet? 

pretty much says it all.

 
 
 
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4  Account Deleted    4 years ago

For those of you who would like to read the actual report I am including a PDF file download link . It's about 1,000 pages so you might need popcorn.

https://

www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf

Copy and paste into your browser and delete the spaces between the https stuff and the www.

I do not like to accidentally download stuff - I assume that others feel the same.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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4.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Account Deleted @4    4 years ago
The sucker looks like its going to be able to cure my insomnia......  Should ne a worthwhile read.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1    4 years ago

Mine also, except that I would be puking too much to sleep anyway.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5  Sparty On    4 years ago

Lol .... another never Trumper, blowing a never Trumper dog whistle, and gaining some more useful idiots to support her stuff.

Hilarious!

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1  evilone  replied to  Sparty On @5    4 years ago
another never Trumper, blowing a never Trumper dog whistle

Are you denying the GoP lead Senate report findings?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @5.1    4 years ago

Yes, until the "facts" are more well known and not spun by known anti Trump media sources.

Do you automatically believe clearly biased people and media sources?  

Or is that only when it supports your preferred narrative?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @5.1    4 years ago

I'm too busy to read something that doesn't contain even one verifiable fact. Can you sum up the gist of what this report shows?

And 'what about' the Obama administration knowing that Russia was allegedly "interfering" in our election, and yet remaining silent and doing nothing about it?

And, as HRC once so snidely said..."at this point, what difference does it make"?

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.3  evilone  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.1    4 years ago
until the "facts" are more well known

You can read the report for yourself. Do you not agree with it's findings?

Do you automatically believe clearly biased people and media sources?  

Unlike left/right partisans here I avoid opinion articles. Which is why in my question I referred to the report and not the article

Or is that only when it supports your preferred narrative?

Things rarely support my preferred narrative nor did I give you my opinion for or against. I asked you a question in which you deflected as usual. Just answer the question. Do you disagree with the findings of the Senate report?

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.4  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    4 years ago
I'm too busy to read something that doesn't contain even one verifiable fact.

I find it highly unlikely the Senate report doesn't contain facts... I suppose it's possible, but then you'd actually have to read it to find out, wouldn't you?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  evilone @5.1.4    4 years ago

If the report had been released by the Dems, some here would be glued to it like a pubescent boy glued to a Playboy magazine he found under his dad's bed and declaring it a fake report.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    4 years ago
I'm too busy to read something that doesn't contain even one verifiable fact.

Be very careful here Greg, the accusations of trolling can't be very far behind this comment.

Can you sum up the gist of what this report shows?

No. It's an official Senate report.  Read it yourself and draw your own conclusions or remain ignorant of the contents.

And 'what about' the Obama administration knowing that Russia was allegedly "interfering" in our election, and yet remaining silent and doing nothing about it?

Were you asleep throughout December of 2016 Greg?  Obama kicked out dozens of Russian spies for hacking and closed two Russian compounds in MD & NY.  It was in all the newspapers...even Fox carried it nightly.

And, as HRC once so snidely said..."at this point, what difference does it make"?

No difference at all to those that refuse to participate.  Snide?  Fits most of your Malarkey accurately.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @5.1.3    4 years ago
Do you not agree with it's findings?

Asked and answered

I asked you a question in which you deflected as usual. Just answer the question. Do you disagree with the findings of the Senate report?

Nope, as noted above, answered as is usual.   Keep spinning though ....  it keeps you busy

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.9  Sparty On  replied to    4 years ago
Do you deny the source

Asked and answered

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    4 years ago

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Greg Jones
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5.1.11  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @5.1.4    4 years ago

If I gave a damn I would read it, but what's the point? If collusion is true then the Dems can call for another investigation,

or maybe try to impeach Trump again during his second term.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.10    4 years ago

Knock off the personal attacks and taunting.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.13  Greg Jones  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    4 years ago

What's so important about this report? Both Barr and Mueller said there was no provable collusion between Putin and Trump. Russia might have tried to "influence" the election on social media, but nothing was done that really "interfered" with the election, that was fairly won by Trump. Why are Dems beating this dead horse of an issue.

Finally, quit calling me by name. I thought that was against the code of conduct. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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5.1.14  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.12    4 years ago

Take some responsibility and start brining facts. At least try to post a link in support of your position Greg.  Copy and paste it..... become part of the discussion.  It will take the bullseye off you.  Make it work. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.10    4 years ago

Whiskey foxtrot echo charlie.

 
 
 
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