What does it mean to be a republican today... How does that equate to what Ronald Regan embraced.
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I think Regan would have been shocked by most all of the speakers last night with the exception on Nikki Hayley and Tim Scott.
Why not the Herschel Walker speech?
I found it pretty flat....
So what does it mean to you to be a republican today Jim....?
I'll get back to you on that. I feel a composition coming on...............
Please do so.....
Brings some friends, I'd like to hear from them too as I'm sure the word "conservative" comes in slightly different flavors these days.
It means I believe in the rule of law.
It means I believe in the sovereignty of a nation and its border and control of immigration (the way it was always supposed to be)
It means that all of mankind was created equal. NOT some more equal than others
It means I believe in personal responsibility in all aspects of their lives and decisions therein
It means I believe in a hand up not a hand out
It means we all, as American citizens, all have the same rights as such.
It means I don't go around looking for something to be offended by nor do I seek special treatment
It means I have respect for the office of POTUS and, whether good or bad, the person that occupies the people's house. But not necessarily the policies of said occupant nor his/her personality
I believe in the American Dream and everything associated with it including said personal responsibility to one's self to pull themselves up with a little kick in the pants (see hand up not hand out)
I am sure I can come up with more but that sums up the major points.
I have pretty humble beginnings. I have worked since I was 15 years old. I got no help, outside my parents mental support, to achieve what I have in my life and take responsibility for the good and especially the bad decisions I have made. I always kept my eyes and ears open for the good and the bad and made my life choices throughout with critical thinking and goals.
Yet refuse legal subpoenas and violate the Hatch Act on live TV?
Like trying to trade Puerto Rico for Greenland?
Even people from "shit hole" countries?
Trump: "I don’t take responsibility at all."
Trump Tax Cuts Helped Billionaires Pay Less Taxes Than The Working Class In 2018
Protesters Dispersed With Tear Gas So Trump Could Pose at Church
Trump commits to helping blue states fight the coronavirus — if their governors are nice to him
Trump's unhinged 'treason' accusation against Obama
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Every single one of your statements are hypocritical if you support Trump.
At least the GOP managed to get 2 credible people to speak
This all traces back to the birth of right wing media with Rush Limbaugh at the start of the first Bill Clinton term. Limbaugh opened every show with "America Held Hostage, day ____ of the Clinton administration." and right wing nuttery was off to the races.
I doubt if the hard right will ever come back to reality. They will have to be outlived.
I didn't watch the RNC but from what I've seen in the past few years the GOP isn't anything at all like it was back in the day.
Actually I have no idea what they stand for today.
What do they stand for today?
That's easy. Trump, Trump, Trump and more Trump.
They seem to stand up and defend the confederate flag. They defend confederate monuments. They defend the Nazi's and white supremacists marching in the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us!". They defend the cops who have shot and killed so many unarmed black men. They defend the right wing extremists who have murdered abortion doctors or bombed clinics. They defend anti-science rhetoric on climate, evolution and the pandemic. They defend Russian election interference because it favored their candidate. They defend the many members of Trumps campaign who have either plead guilty numerous times or been convicted of numerous felonies. They defend a President who an investigation found likely obstructed justice at least 10 times. They defend a President who has been accused of sexual assault by more than two dozen women and admitted in his own words that he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just starts kissing women he finds attractive and "grabs them by the pussy" because he thinks he's "a star". They defend a President who was caught red handed extorting a foreign government for dirt on a political opponent. They defend a President who requested his ambassador to ask the British, which he did, to steer the British Open to one of the Presidents privately owned golf courses.
The list goes on and on, but I have yet to find something they defend that most Americans actually want.
So very true.
Don't forget Qanon !
If they had worked on a party platform, we might have a way of knowing in writing.
Isn't that what the convention is for...to firm up the party platform?
I will actually invite C4P to post on this seed. I really want to understand how Trump voters see themselves with respect to Regan.
Here's the difference. When Reagan said:
"In spite of the wildly speculative and false stories of arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments, we did not—repeat, did not—trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we." - President Ronald Reagan November 1986
The Republicans believed him and supported him. Then, a few months later he said:
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." March 1987
The Republicans were disappointed, not so much that he lied to the American people, but that he got caught. What they were really hoping for they get in Trump, a President who will never admit to any of the criminal activity and lies he's spouted. His response in March 1987 would likely have been:
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. And I was right. I never did such a thing, but a little guy, little Ollie, he lied to me and our government and did some bad things, some very bad things. And it's probably the Democrats who made him do it, so we will come down very hard on that Ollie North who some say is a Democrat, maybe, I don't know, but that's what I heard...".
That's what these Trump Republicans want. They want to be lied to, they want to be told they're super special even if they didn't make it all the way through high school because of their "American heritage" and Trump gives them exactly what they want.
The old centrist, fiscally conservative, morally liberal Republican no longer exists or is supporting Joe Biden this year.
Lots of food for thought there DP.....
The old centrist, fiscally conservative, morally liberal Republican no longer exists or is supporting Joe Biden this year.
There is quite a bit of evidence to support that statement. Thanks for making it.
Nowadays Trump supporters call them "RINO's" or "NeverTrumper's". Today, if you're at or left of Mitt Romney you're considered a RINO.
I miss the GOP of yesterday. They tried to keep spending low and they pretty much minded their own business. Abortion wasn't such a big deal til the Moral Majority got involved.
You're talking the 1970s TG...... I though you told me you were 29!
What I didn't tell you is I have dyslexia!
I'm in good company then...... I've learned coping skills for the same. What made 2D reading comprehension so difficult for me was offset by being able to "see" easily in three dimension.
I can read fine. I have trouble with numbers. I constantly mix them up, turn them around, upside down, and inside out. I had very many problems with simple math in grade school. Then I get to high school and algebra and now I'm working with letters. Got way better grades
Exact opposite..... Numbers made sense early on, thus math came easy. Reading and writing was a problem. Tried to learn to read music, not a chance, but I use to play very well by ear.
Years ago in researching dyslexia when I noted issues with one of my daughters, they had identified over 130 different forms of the condition. That was twenty years ago.... Might be different now. Even when posting on these seeds, I still to this day will leave words out, transpose entire words....
I must say I admire Reagen because he was intelligent enough and had the integrity to admit that he was wrong about something. It will be a frosty day in Hell when not only Trump, but his dedicated followers would ever do likewise.
Different times.... Imagine Regan or any of our previous presidents under the microscope of the 24-7 news cycle. We have news outlets that make a profit per uttered or written syllable.
Of which they were neither, moral or a majority.
Reading and writing were my favorites. Any math beyond the basics is a bear for me. I struggled with pre-algebra.
I flunked pre-algebra. I had always struggled with math. It was always embarrassing when I had to go to the board and solve a math question, or at least tried to, and usually failed. Knowing how this made me fell, my parents hired me a tutor. She not only tutored me on algebra, but, helped me with other areas of general math that had always been hard for me. After that, I not only aced the pre-algebra class, but, I aced all the way through algebra 4. And I was not afraid of math anymore.
I have to have a real life scenario for math to make sense to me. I took a class in HS called "Applied Mathematics" and I Aced it. What our class didn't know is that we were performing algebra, calculus, trigonometry, physics, geometry, etc. and those advanced math and science classes made fun of our class. The teachers were awesome though and gave us all the same final exam, which was our Applied Math final... our class did WAY better than the others and then it was shared with the classes where that exam came from; they knew the formulas and how to solve an equation, but they had no idea how it's used in the real world. The other classes were able to take the final that they were supposed to get, but those teachers wanted to prove a point; just because you think that a class is "simple" or "simplified" doesn't necessarily make it so. We just learned it in a different way.
I always Aced reading and writing. My favorite classes were always hands-on classes though; wood shop, auto shop, ceramics, art, etc. and I loved psychology.
It's true, Trump has certainly moderated the classic Reagan/Goldwater fusionsm of limiting the federalists government/hawkish foreign policy/ free trade and social conservatism. Ted Cruz probably best exemplifies a modern Reagan/Goldwater Conservative and he's lost the small government fight within the party. Now the Republicans just stand for a smaller big government as opposed to the democrats. The difference is probably best exemplified by the negotiations for the latest round of "Stimulus" where democrats want to borrow 3 trillion dollars and Republicans only one trillion.
Trump's brand of populism has adopted the democrats willingness to spend massive amounts of money and trade protectionism while adopting the Obama doctrine of unlimited executive power. It's certainly a departure from the ideals of Reagan. But Trump has done a better job(Thanks to Harry Reid ending the judicial filibuster that made it all possible ) of appointing more Reaganite judges then Reagan did. Plus, at the operational level in the departments where most policy is made, Trump has appointed conservatives who favor traditional conservative policy outcomes. The President and Congress have very little effect anymore on the rules and laws that actually govern us. Those decisions are made at the agency level, and Trump's appointments have been solid. Trump's meaninglesss tweets draw all the attention but the real governing takes place in the courts and in the agencies.
Nor does Trump exist in a vacuum. The alternative couldn't be more repugnant to a Goldwater/Reagan conservative. While Trump's tax cuts and deregulation are straight from the Reagan/ Goldwater playbook the Democratic Party has moved so far left that the Bill Clinton of 1996 would be a conservative today.
trump has moved away from some aspects of the Goldwater/Reagan fusionism that created the modern Republican Party. But Trumpism must be compared with a party that looks to Stalin and and socialism for answers, and for anyone who is not a race obsessed socialist, supporting Trump over Biden is an easy call. Just look at Portland for what Democrats offer.
Thanks very much Sean..... I'm going to chew on this for a bit and see how to ask some to properly worded questions that will be taken as true inquiry as intended
My thoughts exactly.
Greg, since you are here...... I'm going to ask if you wouldn't mind positing your thoughts on the question. Obviously you favored Reagan in the past. I'd like your observations on where conservatives are today vs. forty years ago given the differences between Trump and Reagan
I watched last night and it scared the hell out of me. I say that with all seriousness. I heard nothing that moved me to think this President or Administration had any new ideas.
What is the plan to get the virus under control and people back to work and/or what can be done in the transition? I heard no hope, no solutions, no unity, no empathy for lives lost. Mostly, I felt sad watching and sad for those speaking. The fear tactics and level of anger coming from every speaker with the exception of the Cuban immigrant businessman was palpable.
Damn it makes me mad. Where is the republican party?!!!!
I'll watch again this evening and tomorrow evening and the next because its my responsibility as an American to remain engaged and informed.
I appreciate your sacrifice, not sure I could stomach it.
It was hard. There were times I had my finger on the remote button but I convinced myself that I could make it until the end. It actually ended 10 minutes early........I was watching the clock.
Yep PJ.... I'm watching with a drink in one hand and Maalox in the other
Add some Aleve to that cocktail, too
Ronald Reagan
1. Reagan wanted to privatize the Post Office – a little at a time perhaps - by subcontracting.
2. Reagan wanted to make Social Security optional. As an alternative he wanted the government to invest Social Security funds in the stock market.
3. Reagan made significant tax cuts showing the Republican preference for Supply Side Economics.
4. Deprived of the revenue from taxes, he borrowed money – both domestic and foreign investment - for defense spending to put pressure on the Soviet Union. This added 1.86 TRILLION dollars to the public debt. (GDP did well during this time. The formula GDP=C+I+G+NetExports – note the G stands for government spending which he did a lot of. )
5. Reduced regulation of savings and loan institutions leading, at least in part, to the Savings and Loan Crisis in the late 80’s.
6. Opposed to publicly funded health care.
7. Opposed to abortion being legal.
8. He initially opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 [59] , the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Equal Rights Amendment
9. Stated that Jefferson Davis was one of his heroes.
10. He supported prayer in public schools.
11. Reagan dismissed acid rain and proposals to halt it as burdensome to industry...He questioned scientific evidence on the causes of acid rain. [49]
12. He wanted to abolish the Department of Education.
Reagan was a nicer man than Donald Trump. It was hard not to like him.
But he was a Republican.