White People's Fear of Critical Race Theory is Based in Ignorance | by Allison Gaines | May, 2021 | CULTURED

  

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White People's Fear of Critical Race Theory is Based in Ignorance | by Allison Gaines | May, 2021 | CULTURED
As America emerges from its socially distanced bubble, "critical race theory" continues to dominate headlines. For those basking in white privilege, critically evaluating the racial caste system…

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As America emerges from its socially distanced bubble, "critical race theory" continues to dominate headlines. For those basking in white privilege, critically evaluating the racial caste system feels terrifying. They fear tectonic plates shifting beneath our social landmass.

Our nation is in the process of exchanging color-blind ideology with anti-racism. White people will have to take a good, hard look in the mirror and into their family albums. Some are afraid of the skeletons they will find, and others are leery of the theory that will make them take a look in the first place.

White people want to focus on selected parts of American history, lionizing their role. Many choose to ignore that the gap between Black and white homeownership is wider than it was 50 years ago. Or that Black families have one-tenth the wealth as white ones. Currently, Black people are 3.25 times more likely to die in police encounters.

Acknowledging disparities means white people would feel pressure to address inequalities, something many would rather ignore.White people who fear critical race theory ironically oppose the very theory which could provide them cultural competency. And while any Black writer could compose a saga on the nonchalance of white Americans, there is another factor at play here. Most white people do not understand critical race theory. They simply oppose it at face value.

Society loves to give white people the benefit of the doubt. When conservatives like Mitch McConnell or Donald Trump call critical race theory un-American, people assume they understand what they oppose. They've called the theory Marxist, attempting to conflate critical legal studies (CLS) with critical race theory (CRT). Nuance means nothing to those attempting to distort a powerful message.

If you think that white people do not need to understand critical race theory to oppose it, consider the following. Imagine that a man wants to disprove the theory of gravitation. He would have to first understand force, the gravitational constant, the mass of two objects, and the center of their masses. Then, he would need to show why this theory is false. To invalidate an established theory, someone has to show their work, demonstrate how it is faulty. Unless a man could defy the law of gravity, I doubt he would get his feet off the ground. More importantly, no one would take his critique seriously.

In society, disagreements are normal and, in some instances, can strengthen our resolve. However, basing your opposition on a lack of understanding is foolhardy. Americans should evaluate critical race theory, its tenets. Then, they can decide for themselves whether or not this theory is harmful or helpful for American school children.

What is critical race theory?


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"Critical race theory recognizes that systemic racism is part of American society and challenges the beliefs that allow it to flourish." (Karimi, 2021)

First things first. Critical race theory recognizes race as a social construct rather than a biological function. In other words, people who come from different races are not sub-humans or sub-species. We are all one race — the human race. Colorblind theorists love this part. But, they are not so keen on what follows.

Race is a social construct developed by white colonists. The subsequent laws of enslavement and segregation derive from a false theory of white supremacy. You may ask yourself, why is white supremacy a false theory? Simply put, differences amongst racial groups are due to environmental and social factors. So, the idea of white people being inherently superior to other races has no scientific merit. But, that did not stop scientists from claiming Black people were inferior.


Negroes, with their smaller brains and blood vessels, and their tendency toward indolence and barbarism, Cartwright told fellow doctors, had only to be kept benevolently in the state of submission. (Ruane, 2019).

Critical race theory does not assert that Black people are superior to other races. On the contrary, it posits that Black people are equal to other racial groups but have been systematically oppressed because of the creation of the racial caste system.

Secondly, critical race theory asserts that racism is systemic, not aberrational. While white people often view instances like George Floyd's death as an anomaly, this theory postulates that racism is something people of color endure consistently in American society.

The third tenet asserts that Black people's legal setbacks benefit white people. Consider the current fight for voting rights. Taking away access to Black people benefits white people. When Georgia Deputy Cody Griggers charged Black people with fake felonies, he acted on this point. He understood that holding Black people back strengthened the shrinking, white voting block.

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The fourth tenet of critical race theory asserts that Black people endure "different radicalization," resting on racial stereotypes. Othering Black people dehumanizes them, greenlighting acts of overt racism. Suddenly, it becomes okay to stop the Black man rather than the white one if you accept the racist premise that Black people are inherently dangerous.

Othering is ugly, as seen in Germany's holocaust or America's Trail of Tears. Different radicalization explains why slavery could persist in the first place. Critical race theory postulates that this dynamic takes place and continues to threaten people of color.

The fifth tenet of critical race theory is "intersectionality." This theory hypothesizes individuals cannot be placed into a single, identifying box. For example, a Black woman is both Black and female. By viewing a woman as only Black, for example, society would fail to understand the way her womanhood impacts her lived experience. Critical race theory posits that people are dynamic and interdimensional.

Lastly, the sixth tenet asserts the need for a "voice of colour." Critical race theorists believe that someone from the same group is the best person to speak for them. Under this theory, representation matters because a Black man would be theoretically more in tune with other Black men's specific needs and experiences. As Tim Scott demonstrated, this theory is an approximation. Someone's skin color or sex does not guarantee they would be the group's best advocate. The theory simply postulates they would be more likely to be a better representative.

Critical race theorists believe in the power of "storytelling." When Black people share their experiences, they help to inform the public about their perspective, hopefully shifting the social climate. Critical race theory contains different groups of thought. Legal scholars published the aforementioned tenets in 1989 at a Workshop on Critical Race to create more structure for their theory.


"Critical race theory is a practice. It's an approach to grappling with a history of White supremacy that rejects the belief that what's in the past is in the past, and that the laws and systems that grow from that past are detached from it," said Kimberle Crenshaw, a founding critical race theorist and a law professor who teaches at UCLA and Columbia University." (Karimi, 2021)

Is critical race theory Marxist?


Critical race theory is not the same as Marxism. For starters, CRT does not promote the same economic or political vision. Critical race theorists do believe, however, that traditional liberal movements have failed to deliver progress for Black people. Incrementalism and colorblind ideology has failed, so the natural progression is to focus on identities. That much is self-evidenced by the two-step forward and one step back civil rights struggle Black Americans experience. Critical race theorists advocate for structural change.


"Unlike CLS scholars, however, critical race theorists did not wish to abandon the notions of law and legal rights altogether, because in their experience, some laws and legal reforms had done much to help oppressed or exploited people." (Britannica, 2021).

While some white conservatives would have the world think that critical race theory is attempting to destroy the government or the laws that keep us safe, they are either wholly ignorant about these theories or purposefully misleading people to frighten them. You be the judge. However, one thing is blatantly clear — critical race theory is not Marxist, and its supporters do not endorse communism.


Most white people do not understand critical race theory. They simply oppose it at face value.

Acknowledging America's social hierarchy could provide much-needed healing in a nation, once torn apart by my ancestor's seditious slavers. However, some white people rather make critical race theory into a boogie man. White people who fear critical race theory are using deflection 101. They will do anything to distract from their role in maintaining white supremacy.

Mitch McConnell has a conflict of interest


White men like Mitch McConnell love telling Black people "no." He took joy in blocking our first Black president Obama's agenda and judicial nominations. For years, McConnell referred to himself as the Grim Reaper, blocking popular, progressive legislation. He wore this title with pride. Men like McConnell kill more than legislation; they kill dreams. Maybe they should call him Freddy Krueger instead.

White men often puff out their chests to declare, " I never owned slaves ." However, many of those same men could not say the same for their predecessors. The federal government compensated slave owners and slaves and their descendants received nothing. Over 150 years after slavery, Black people are still suffering from a staggering race-wealth gap.

White people continue to benefit from the forced labor of African slaves — they've inherited it. Mitch McConnell is the descendent of slave owners, and his family's wealth is a testament to the back-breaking work of my ancestors. And while this stings, this is not all about feelings. Check the census information.

Source: Genealogy and census records | Graphic: Nigel Chiwaya / NBC News

White people, whose families owned slaves, have the audacity to say they do not want to talk about critical race theory. I do not know who they think they are fooling with this "in the past" time nonsense. There is a direct link between his family owning slaves and the position he holds today. He is the embodiment of the policies they attempted to maintain. When a white man says we should not discuss critical race theory in schools, tell him, " I think thee doth protest too much ."

Where do we go from here?



"Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create, and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans." (Britannica, 2021).

If someone disagrees with critical race theory, respectfully ask them what in particular they take issue with. For example, do they deny that slavery occurred, that the subsequent Jim Crow laws maintained a racial hierarchy, that racial disparities continue to exist in the modern era? Or do they feel that injustices should persist or that we should never discuss inequities in American society? Then, ask them what evidence they have for these claims.

Many white people have chosen ignorance over enlightenment and want to demonize a theory they do not understand. Talking about America's original sin is not unAmerican and white men wouldn't be running from a conversation about race if they were truly proud of all American history. Burying undesirable aspects of this nation's history create sycophants, not patriots. Critical race theory buts heads with American exceptionalism. It asks us to evaluate the racial, social hierarchy and to dismantle systems and beliefs that maintain inequalities. That's the grand scheme. And if that vision of a diverse, inclusive, honest America frightens you, what does that say about your loyalty to democracy?

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References:


Britannica, T. Editors of Encyclopaedia (2021, April 2). Critical race theory. Encyclopedia Britannica. https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

Karimi, F. (2021, May 06). What critical race theory is — and isn't. Retrieved May 13, 2021, from https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/01/us/critical-race-theory-explainer-trnd/index.html

Ruane, M. (2019, April 30). A brief history of the enduring phony science that perpetuates white supremacy . The Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-brief-history-of-the-enduring-phony-science-that-perpetuates-white-supremacy/2019/04/29/20e6aef0-5aeb-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html.

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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    2 months ago

Sometimes white just ain't right!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    2 months ago

That's all they got - IGNORANCE!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    2 months ago
If someone disagrees with critical race theory, respectfully ask them what in particular they take issue with. For example, do they deny that slavery occurred, that the subsequent Jim Crow laws maintained a racial hierarchy, that racial disparities continue to exist in the modern era? Or do they feel that injustices should persist or that we should never discuss inequities in American society? Then, ask them what evidence they have for these claims.

I dont entirely approve of the approach of Critical Race Theory, but I dont usually entirely approve of any one approach. They all have their missteps.

CRT is a way of looking at the issue of racism and has it's place. It shouldn't scare anyone. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

There are only a handful of countries that teach hatred of America. Most notable would be China, Russia and the US.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago

That's a stupid pair of sentences , and an even stupider thought. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.1    2 months ago

You can't contest it. I know what we can do - take your comment and post it on Twitter!

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago

The implication in your statement is that CRT teaches hatred of America? 

It doesn't, and your continued exclamations do not make it so, no matter what you wish. People who think that it does are delusional. But, I didn't expect anything else from you... 

Woof!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.1    2 months ago

In other words, SSDD?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.4    2 months ago

every day... 

 
 
 
Freewill
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2.2  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @2    one month ago
I don't entirely approve of the approach of Critical Race Theory, but I don't usually entirely approve of any one approach. They all have their missteps. CRT is a way of looking at the issue of racism and has it's place. It shouldn't scare anyone. 

I tend to agree with all of those points.  It could be said that a lack of understanding (based on incomplete information), or perhaps the reliance on misinformation, is what leads us to distrust and fear most of the time.  Skepticism can be a good thing, but it should lead to a rational quest for more knowledge and a better understanding, not simply linger as an irrational fear. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    2 months ago

First of all, Critical Race Theory is not about the Black population or the history of the Black population.  CRT is all about the white population.  CRT provides a forum for telling a highly selective and distorted history of the white population.

Secondly, it's not white privilege; [deleted]  The Black population has played a prominent role in the Democratic Party since its inception in 1829.  The Black population is still prominent in the politics of the Democratic Party for the same reasons.  [deleted]

The League of Nations was created by segregationist Woodrow Wilson, leader of the Democratic Party at that time.

Thirdly, condemning the white population for slave owners in their past also condemns the Black population for slaves in their past.  Once and always a slave owner can't be decoupled from once and always a slave.  There can't be slave owners without slaves.  The political expediency to revive the past also condemns both the white population and Black population to perpetuating that past.  And we already know which sides each of those populations represent.

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago
The League of Nations was created by segregationist Woodrow Wilson, leader of the Democratic Party at that time.

Nonsense and the US never became a member.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago
CRT is all about the white population.

It's about studying the effects of racism in laws and society, it just so happens that the white populations are almost always the beneficiaries of any inequality found, or at least rarely the ones being discriminated against or marginalized.

Secondly, it's not white privilege; it's Democrat privilege.

This moronic unproven claim again? Making such ridiculous statements just invalidates any possible argument you are trying to make.

The Democratic Party bears a very great deal of responsibility for slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and, today, institutional racism.

Southern white Christian conservative ideology bears a very great deal of responsibility for slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and, today, institutional racism, they just happened to share a common name that many party's throughout American history have used. There was the Democratic-Republican Party, the Christian Democratic Party, The Democratic Labour Party, The Conservative Democrat Party, The Democratic Peoples Party, The Progressive Democratic Party, The Civic Democratic Party, The United Democratic Party, The Democratic Socialist Party, The States Rights Democratic Party and half a dozen more.

In fact, in 1828 supporters of Andrew Jackson had begun calling themselves Democrats. They wanted small government, and they opposed trade protection, national banks, and paper money.

The different parties are not defined by the use of a word that's root is "Democracy" in their names, they are defined by their ideology.

The States Rights Democratic Party arose due to a Southern regional split in opposition to the Democratic Party. After President Harry S. Truman, a member of the Democratic Party, ordered integration of the military in 1948 and other actions to address civil rights of African Americans, many Southern conservative white politicians who objected to this course organized themselves as a breakaway faction. Their ideology was firmly established in their own party platform which was ideologically opposed to the democratic Party platform at the time, their Southern conservative platform stated "We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race; the constitutional right to choose one's associates; to accept private employment without governmental interference, and to earn one's living in any lawful way. We oppose the elimination of segregation, the repeal of miscegenation statutes, the control of private employment by Federal bureaucrats called for by the misnamed civil rights program. We favor home-rule, local self-government and a minimum interference with individual rights."

Not even the Democratic Party of the 1940's and 50's was ideologically in line with the Southern conservative States Rights Democratic party, that's why there was a schism. And they are even more diametrically opposed today. Anyone who is still desperately trying to link the two is either woefully ignorant, intentionally obtuse or trying to hide their own complicity and agreement with the old States Rights Democratic party platform which has essentially been picked up and adopted by modern day conservative Republicans. The white Christian conservatives who used to belong to the Southern Democratic party or the States Rights Democratic party didn't leave the south, they didn't all die off as some have tried to claim, they still control the South, they still defend the monuments to the confederacy their ancestors erected, they still fly confederate flags, they still honor their confederate ancestry, they just don't vote for Democrats anymore because they are ideologically opposed to what the modern progressive Democratic Party has become, a party that protects minority rights and is proactive in righting the wrongs of the past and accept the facts found when examining the racial inequalities that still exist in our laws and society.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    2 months ago

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Nerm_L
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3.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    2 months ago
It's about studying the effects of racism in laws and society, it just so happens that the white populations are almost always the beneficiaries of any inequality found, or at least rarely the ones being discriminated against or marginalized.

But the Black population isn't racist.  Only the white population is racist.  Therefore, CRT is only about the white population.

And white Democrats really do receive preferential treatment in all aspects of society.  Democrat privilege is quite real.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.3  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.2    2 months ago
Democrat privilege is quite real

Only in the minds of the perpetually persecuted.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.1    2 months ago

I would bet that if you spoke to all three of those men in that photo they would tell you that they have all experienced discrimination, that they all had to struggle to make it in a society built for and run by white Christians who seem oblivious to their plight. Just because many are able to overcome those roadblocks and hate and are able to achieve something more than perhaps their parents and peers were able to doesn't mean everything is fine and we can stop worrying about the effects of race in our laws and society. That black lawyer no doubt knows very well how his client will likely get a longer sentence if convicted, be less likely to be offered early parole, will likely have a higher bail amount and was more likely to end up where he is now than a young white man even though white do and deal drugs at the same or higher rates. I'm sure both the officer and attorney have had the "talk" with their own children, preparing them for being pulled over and profiled, being followed by security in department stores, something white parents often don't even know exists. So while some ignorant calloused white bigots may use their photo in an attempt to deflect any responsibility, I've no doubt all three would vehemently disagree with the flawed message it presents. Color may not define their future, but it certainly presents hurdles and difficulties they've had to overcome that white Americans did not. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.2    2 months ago

Isn't teaching white kids to be ashamed a perfect example of systemic racism?

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.6  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.5    2 months ago

So you are not ashamed of slavery?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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3.2.7  evilgenius  replied to  Ender @3.2.6    2 months ago
So you are not ashamed of slavery?

Jim would have to show me where any curriculum teaches white kids they SHOULD be ashamed, for me to believe him. That said any teacher that tells children to be ashamed of things beyond their control should be relieved of duties and removed from ever working with children. It's not ethical. There is a difference between teaching children history in context and how it applies to a modern or future society and telling them they are responsible for what their ancestors may, or may not, have done 2 and 3 generations ago.

I don't condone it nor support slavery and don't have any problems with a historically accurate teaching of it, but no I'm not ashamed. I had no part in it, therefore I have no need to feel ashamed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.1    2 months ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.6    2 months ago

I'll let this guy spell it out for you..................

256

Isn't it Democrats, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants and the Dreamer Act bullshit, that always state "you can't blame the kids for the sins of the parents?"

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.2    2 months ago
But the Black population isn't racist.  Only the white population is racist.

Well that's certainly not true, there are many racist black Americans who harbor hate towards whites due to the treatment they and their ancestors have received for generations.

Therefore, CRT is only about the white population.

The systemic racism found in our laws and society were put there by the white populations who have been running things for centuries, so of course when CRT examines the racial inequities.

And white Democrats really do receive preferential treatment in all aspects of society.

White Democrats and white Republicans receive the same preferential treatment in society but both receive grief for their actions if they are active bigots or pushing bigoted ideologies that discriminate against other marginalized segments of society like the lgtbq community or women wanting equal pay for equal work.

Democrat privilege is quite real.

If you believe that then go ahead, present some evidence, do a study and call it CPT (critical party theory). I think the findings would be hilariously enlightening as you struggle to prove your ridiculous opinion.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.11  Ender  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.7    2 months ago

I am ashamed our country condoned it for so long.

I am ashamed we have people in this day and age that are racist and lie about what happened.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 months ago

[r][emoved]

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.13  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 months ago

Who is blaming the kids of today? No one that I know of.

Now there can be blame for people that bury their heads in the sand and complain about how teaching about racism is bad, when we all know it exists.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.13    2 months ago

You and I are, in this instance, the "kids". It was our ancestors and we are expected to feel shitty and somehow owe reparations because of what they did. I thought you'd pick up on that...

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.15  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.14    2 months ago

We are still feeling the effects of what they did.

Hell you were just defending the confederate flag.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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3.2.16  evilgenius  replied to  Ender @3.2.11    2 months ago
I am ashamed our country condoned it for so long.

(shrug) I wasn't there and could do nothing about it. Yes it was horrible, but why should I be ashamed?

I am ashamed we have people in this day and age that are racist and lie about what happened.

Considering I work to counter these people in every way I can, I still don't see where I should be ashamed. It's they that should be ashamed. I understand your point though. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.17  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @3.2.13    2 months ago
Who is blaming the kids of today? No one that I know of.

CRT teaches that systemic racism still exist not just the historical facts of racism.  Who would be blamed for any systemic racism that the theory claims still exist?

You see the racism narrative has to be fed for many generations or the theory of the beast will die.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.18  Ender  replied to  evilgenius @3.2.16    2 months ago
It's they that should be ashamed

True, but I don't think that will ever happen.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.19  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.17    2 months ago

Denying systemic racism does nothing to solve any problem.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.2.15    2 months ago

Wasn't defending the flag. Why is it so many people only read and comprehend what they want to comprehend. I was simply stating that if no one shits their pants over what he was talking about, why so much shitting over what people WANT to see when they look at a symbol of the past.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2.21  Thrawn 31  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.20    2 months ago

Classroom discussions and public displays are not the same thing.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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3.2.22  evilgenius  replied to  Ender @3.2.19    2 months ago
Denying systemic racism does nothing to solve any problem.

It helps them feel superior to others and gives them ammunition for their perceived grievances.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.23  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.20    2 months ago
Wasn't defending the flag

My apologies then. There are people that do and want to shove that flag down everyone's throat.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.2.24  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @3.2.19    2 months ago
Denying systemic racism does nothing to solve any problem.

I said current systemic racism and that is debatable.  But, we are talking about children's education. Do you think kids can understand the complexities of systemic racism?  All they will hear is your white parents are to blame and since you where born white with privilege you will be the same. Is that fair to include all white people and give a narrow view of the complexities and history involved to kids?

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.2.25  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 months ago
Isn't it Democrats, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants and the Dreamer Act bullshit, that always state "you can't blame the kids for the sins of the parents?"

Using an Eastwood line from a movie to somehow try to connect it to CRT is a real stretch at best. CRT does not teach a white kid to be ashamed of their race at all. It has been explained many times on NT and there are numerous articles on it, but you can choose to believe what you want without proof. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.26  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.24    2 months ago

So your whole problem is white people will look bad....

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.27  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @3.2.26    2 months ago
So your whole problem is white people will look bad....

That is what you got from that post..jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif    

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.2.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @3.2.25    2 months ago

Obviously you aren't an Eastwood fan. The only thing from a movie is the picture. And have you owned a slave or picked cotton? Didn't think so.

CRT does not teach a white kid to be ashamed of their race at all

You have no clue what will be said NOR how the individual child may interpret what he/she is being told. If a child is already borderline depressed they could take it to heart and if you don't think there will be some fighting among groups for their interpretation, you may be a bit naive.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
3.2.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @3.2.25    2 months ago
 CRT does not teach a white kid to be ashamed of their race at all.

LOL... "We're demonizing white people for being born,"  says the head of an elite school implementing CRT..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.30  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.28    2 months ago
You have no clue what will be said NOR how the individual child may interpret what he/she is being told. If a child is already borderline depressed they could take it to heart and if you don't think there will be some fighting among groups for their interpretation, you may be a bit naive.

If I have no clue on what will be said or how a kid will interpret it what in the world makes you think that you do other than your own bias/naive assumptions. Children are taught many things at a young age and are subject to everything around them in the media/books/tv/video games etc. Yet they manage to absorb it and deal with it. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.31  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @3.2.30    2 months ago

Where did I say I did know? One cannot and should not take "sides" without knowing exactly what is involved. Since neither of us know even remotely, we can't say yea or nay

Children are taught many things at a young age and are subject to everything around them in the media/books/tv/video games etc. Yet they manage to absorb it and deal with it. 

Tell it to Dillon Roof.......or any other serial moron.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.32  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.27    2 months ago
That is what you got from that post

Yep.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.33  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.29    2 months ago

Only his warped opinion.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.2.34  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @3.2.32    2 months ago
Yep.

Why do you want to teach children that white people look bad?  Demonizing an entire race is teaching children of all races that it is acceptable.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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3.2.35  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.31    2 months ago

“One cannot and should not take "sides" without knowing exactly what is involved.”

And that statement is the very reason we all need to be educated. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.2.36  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.24    2 months ago
But, we are talking about children's education. Do you think kids can understand the complexities of systemic racism?

No, but that is why we have education, that you are currently opposing in your comment.

In one sentence you are saying that children cannot understand "systemic racism", but then you turn around and seem to complain about any attempts by education to teach them.  You appear to want to keep them in ignorance in regards to racism.

All they will hear is your white parents are to blame

By name?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.37  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.29    2 months ago
"We're demonizing white people for being born,"  says the head of an elite school implementing CRT..

A conversation between Rossi a teacher and the head of the school certainly proves that CRT is teaching kids to be ashamed of their race through out the US. /s

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
3.2.38  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.33    2 months ago
Only his warped opinion

Sure the head of an elite school who  implemented it and was caught talking candidly, [deleted]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
3.2.39  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @3.2.37    2 months ago
een Rossi a teacher and the head of the school certainly proves that CRT is teaching kids to be ashamed of their race through out the US.

[deleted]

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
3.2.40  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.34    2 months ago
Why do you want to teach children that white people look bad?

Teach them the facts within the context of the time period and let them form their own opinions.

Demonizing an entire race is teaching children of all races that it is acceptable.  

I have yet to see where white people are being “demonized”. I am sorry that you find historical fact to be uncomfortable, but kids need to be taught the truth when it comes to US history and the truth is racism is a big part of American history and white people placed themselves at the top of the hierarchy. What is your solution, pretend it never happened?

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.41  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.36    2 months ago
No, but that is why we have education, that you are currently opposing in your comment.

I am opposing teaching a theory not facts.  Teaching facts about racism is acceptable, teaching children they are to blame because of their white privilege is wrong.  Why do you want to teach kids to hate themselves?

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.2.42  Sunshine  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.40    2 months ago
I have yet to see where white people are being “demonized”. I am sorry that you find historical fact to be uncomfortable, but kids need to be taught the truth when it comes to US history and the truth is racism is a big part of American history and white people placed themselves at the top of the hierarchy. What is your solution, pretend it never happened?

Again, it is not just facts.  Why do think it is called "Critical Race Theory"?  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.43  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.38    2 months ago

Like me?

You have no idea what I read or do not read so take that condescending bullshit elsewhere.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.44  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.33    2 months ago

Out of curiosity, should a person  like Tom Hanks be ashamed of his public career? 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.45  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.31    2 months ago

I forgot to respond to this silly ass comment in your prior post.

The only thing from a movie is the picture. And have you owned a slave or picked cotton? Didn't think so.

Assumptions make you look like an ass. No, I never owned a slave but I did chop cotton in the central valley of CA. Firebaugh to be exact. Being from NC you should know what chopping cotton is. 

Where did I say I did know? One cannot and should not take "sides" without knowing exactly what is involved. Since neither of us know even remotely, we can't say yea or nay

If your comment was accurate it would be true but it isn't accurate since I have friends and relatives that are teachers, so on that level, I do get their input. BTW, you did take a side.

Tell it to Dillon Roof.......or any other serial moron.

You use Roof as an example of kids not being able to handle information...WTF is that about, how about the millions of kids that do just fine. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.46  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.2.3    2 months ago
Only in the minds of the perpetually persecuted.

So in your mind, what do you think makes whites privileged?

Keep in mind, all races have the same freedoms and rights in this country.

If you are left behind, usually it is by personal life choices, not because of the bad white man.

[BTW....deleted]

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.47  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.44    2 months ago

I am sure this is going nowhere yet I will bite.

Why should he be ashamed of his career...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.48  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.2.46    2 months ago

Really? You think white people have not had privilege in this country?

There is no denying this.

Yes there is. All day every day.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.49  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.2.6    2 months ago
So you are not ashamed of slavery?

Not me. I had nothing to do with it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.50  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.47    2 months ago
hy should he be ashamed of his career...

Per CRT,  Hanks "has  built a sizable part of his career on stories about American white men Doing the Right Thing" and now needs to consider how he's elevated whites at the expense of other cultures and how he needs to change.

That's the sort of nonsense that is at the core of CRT. If you view Tom Hanks's movies as a problem, you are a crazy person who should never be allowed to teach kids anything. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.51  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.50    2 months ago

That makes zero sense.

Doing the right thing and elevating a certain race are completely different things.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.52  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.39    2 months ago

Geez Sean, you really need to get some oxygen. I didn't pronounce what CRT was what I said was that it didn't teach kids to be ashamed of their race. That is my opinion and the opinion of many in the teaching profession.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.53  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.50    2 months ago

Who is CRT? and why are you quoting him/her ? 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.54  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.2.49    2 months ago

You know how many times in my life I have heard, the south will rise again...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2.55  Thrawn 31  replied to  bugsy @3.2.46    2 months ago
Most of them, today, are trying to destroy morals and ethics that have made this country successful since its inception.

Lol like what? What “morals and ethics” that have made this country successful are white liberals destroying?

There is no denying this.

Yes there is. That is an entirely subjective statement and I disagree with it. I have just successfully denied it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.56  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.2.48    2 months ago
You think white people have not had privilege in this country?

So tell me how, during my 20 years in the navy, I had privilege....

Everyone in this country has the right to join the military and grow in the ranks.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.57  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.51    2 months ago
hat makes zero sense.

Of course it doesn't. That's CRT. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.58  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.41    2 months ago
I am opposing teaching a theory not facts.

Then you are opposed to science, since science is all theories.

Teaching facts about racism is acceptable, teaching children they are to blame because of their white privilege is wrong.

And this sentence shows that you have not read about Critical Race Theory, since you are just re-quoting right wing rhetoric about it, and not the actual theory itself.

Why do you want to teach kids to hate themselves?

Why do you want kids to be ignorant of their own history?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.2.59  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.50    2 months ago
Hanks "has  built a sizable part of his career on stories about American white men Doing the Right Thing"

You realize that Tom Hanks IS an American White Man.  Don't you?  Did you want him to act in black face???

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.60  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @3.2.52    2 months ago
 didn't pronounce what CRT wasC 

What a cowardly response. You try and weasel out of your declaration  that "CRT does not teach a white kid to be ashamed of their race at all" by pretending there's a distinction between pronouncing what  CRT is and declaring what it doesn't do?

Whatever you need to feel better about yourself.  

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.61  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.2.56    2 months ago

I would think that the military would teach you that everyone is the same.

Still we have had problems lately with racist people in the ranks.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
3.2.62  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.59    2 months ago
u realize that Tom Hanks IS an American White Man.  Don't you?  Did you want him to act in black face???

You really, really need to catch up. That's not, um close.

But take it up with those making the argument, not me. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.63  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.2.61    2 months ago
Still we have had problems lately with racist people in the ran

Sure we do,....from all races

Do we confront blacks for their perceived racism that they may harbor, or, is that.....

racist?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.64  bugsy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.55    2 months ago
What “morals and ethics” that have made this country successful are white liberals destroying?

Here are a few...

Having babies out of wedlock

Aborting the unborn because they are simply parasites.

Passing laws in the 60s that made it very acceptable to not have 2 parent homes, utterly destroying the black family.

Taking God out of everything simply because THEY do not believe in God.

"I have just successfully denied it"

Yes, you have denied it,,,,but quite sloppily.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.65  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.2.63    2 months ago

That just sounds like deflection.

Are there Asian racist people? Yes. Are there Latino racists? Yes

Same with every race.

Yet, we are talking about the history of the US. And yes, white people have been in charge.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.66  bugsy  replied to  Ender @3.2.65    2 months ago
white people have been in charge.

Barack Obama is white?

Of course, he is half white, but he hates that half.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.67  Ender  replied to  bugsy @3.2.66    2 months ago
Of course, he is half white

I was going to say that....Haha

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.2.68  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.60    2 months ago

You should know what a cowardly response is since you're the king of them, Sean.

I feel fine about myself, it's you that seems to have a problem with your self-worth. Perhaps it's that CRT thingy that affecting your ability to see yourself for what you are.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.69  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @3.2.64    2 months ago
Having babies out of wedlock

As old as time itself and no law affected that.

Aborting the unborn because they are simply parasites.

Make up your mind. Either people are having those out-of-wedlock pregnancies to fruition or they are getting them aborted so that you don't have to support them. btw, the only difference between now and the good old days is that women are not dying to get abortions.  

Passing laws in the 60s that made it very acceptable to not have 2 parent homes, utterly destroying the black family.

Please identify the laws you are talking about.

Taking God out of everything simply because THEY do not believe in God.

We are a secular country of many faiths. You are free to believe in god or not.

"I have just successfully denied it"

I'm afraid you have not.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.70  bugsy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.69    2 months ago

Perrie, I understand you "claim" to be an independent, but your posts definitely show far left. Never have we observed you defend anything conservative. Quite the contrary.

Take a good, hard look at the Great Society programs of the 60s. The claimed democratic intent was to eliminate poverty, but the exact opposite happened. Welfare programs were designed to take the male out of the family. Women were told they can receive government assistance and housing, but to do so, there cannot be a male living with them.

That is why today you have government run housing with mostly single mothers. Many black children look at their grand mothers as their mothers, as their real mothers decided on a life of drugs or prostitution. Many Black fathers are inmates in your local prison .

Take a good look at most black families. Most do not have males involved. Drugs are rampant in the black communities. There are white families the same, but to compare, over 70 percent of black mothers are single parent, when white mothers are about 30. Blacks are 13 percent of the population, whites are about 65 percent.

All this is thanks to democratic policies implemented to purposely tear apart the black family, in hopes that those policies will one day eradicate them.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
3.2.71  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.2.19    2 months ago
Denying systemic racism does nothing to solve any problem.

Systemic racism does not exist, therefore, there is no problem except what is the left is trying to do to poison the minds of kids and cause further division among whites and blacks.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.72  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @3.2.58    2 months ago
Then you are opposed to science, since science is all theories.

If it attacks a person’s character based on race, yeah it shouldn’t be taught to children.  Why would you agree to attacking kids based on race?

And this sentence shows that you have not read about Critical Race Theory, since you are just re-quoting right wing rhetoric about it, and not the actual theory itself.

Do some unbiased reading on the teaching of systemic racism through CRT not your left wing bull shit.

Why don’t you want kids to learn historical facts instead of a biased distorted view?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.73  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @3.2.70    2 months ago
Perrie, I understand you "claim" to be an independent, but your posts definitely show far left. Never have we observed you defend anything conservative. Quite the contrary.

Let me spell this out for you. You seem to only focus on my liberal posts and not my conservative ones like me not disliking "The Squad", which is par for the course when it comes to being an independent. So it suits you now to label me a liberal, since I am disagreeing with you. Here is the thing, this is a discussion, not a labeling game, and I enjoy the debate rather than that. How about you? 

Anyway, I will continue.

Let's talk about those social nets. Our last census shows clearly that " Poverty in single-mother households sank to its lowest rate … ever. What’s more, the decline took place entirely among black and Hispanic single-mother families.....

income for households headed by women with “no spouse present” increased by a robust 5.8%. The poverty rates for female-householder black families dropped 2.7 percentage points, while the rate for Hispanic families plunged 4 percentage points, to 31.1%, in 2018.

For blacks in female-householder families, the proportion with family incomes less than $25,000 decreased by 4.1 percentage points, while for Hispanics in female-householder families, the proportion dropped by 3 points.

Many black children look at their grand mothers as their mothers, as their real mothers decided on a life of drugs or prostitution. Many Black fathers are inmates in your local prison

Holy stereotype. We have had the largest increase in a black middle class that somehow you seem to totally ignore. Also ignored is that black poverty is at an all-time low. 

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Out of wedlock children have increased across the board. It has been attributed not to any one social program, but rather that it has lost the stigma of being a single mother. 

Since 1969, however, shotgun marriage has gradually disappeared (see table 1). For whites, in particular, the shotgun marriage rate began its decline at almost the same time as the reproductive technology shock. And the disappearance of shotgun marriages has contributed heavily to the rise in the out-of-wedlock birth rate for both white and black women. In fact, about 75 percent of the increase in the white out-of-wedlock first-birth rate, and about 60 percent of the black increase, between 1965 and 1990 is directly attributable to the decline in shotgun marriages. If the shotgun marriage rate had remained steady from 1965 to 1990, white out-of-wedlock births would have risen only 25 percent as much as they have. Black out-of-wedlock births would have increased only 40 percent as much.  
All this is thanks to democratic policies implemented to purposely tear apart the black family, in hopes that those policies will one day eradicate them.

That makes no sense. The policies whether you approve of them or not would affect all races, and many times I have read you talk about the Dems needing the black vote. Why would they try to destroy those they need?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.74  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.2.70    2 months ago
Perrie, I understand you "claim" to be an independent, but your posts definitely show far left. Never have we observed you defend anything conservative. Quite the contrary.

Completely ridiculous. I can't think of a single topic that Perrie is "far left" on.  I know she's not far left on the military, or the economy, or the middle east, and she didnt even want Trump impeached. 

I'm not sure you know what "far left" is. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.75  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.71    2 months ago

Look around and you will find
No one’s really color blind.
Maybe it’s a fact
We all should face
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.76  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @3.2.75    2 months ago

No one is truly colorblind. The issue is if you operate differently due to the color of someone's skin, or do you treat them as any other person and judge them by what they do.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.77  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 months ago

All things being equal, but they are not equal are they? Just ask: Girls and women.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.78  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.74    2 months ago

Well, she is left of Attila.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.79  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.76    2 months ago

That is the thing. It is not healthy or realistic to not see race.

Sometimes it can be kind of demeaning.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.80  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 months ago

Exactly WHO is asking YOU for "shit"?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.81  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @3.2.79    2 months ago
Sometimes it can be kind of demeaning.

???

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.82  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.81    2 months ago

If I told a Black person that I don't see their colour it can be demeaning.

Of course I can see their colour.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.83  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.14    2 months ago

Some conservatives are STILL doing it. They mess with minorities, lie to minorities, steal from minorities, trap minorities on the bottom of society, and deny minorities a proper place in the citizenry because of their many selfish and greedy 'appetites.' Some conservatives are on the brink right now, because they can't stand a reasonable equitable society here. We see it and you should see it too.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.84  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @3.2.82    2 months ago

That would be true of anyone, no matter what the color.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.85  CB   replied to  evilgenius @3.2.16    2 months ago

To be clear, Evil,' this is what Ender wrote: "I am ashamed our country condoned it for so long." 

Because the oppression and mistreatment and abuses continue right now. It is no mistake that red-states want to hide the history of this countries "sins" from their chidren, due to the issue that their children might 'revolt' on them similar to the hippy movement of the 60's. And yet, the very actions they make politically reveal these conservatives, yes I said conservatives - because that is what they were in the past politically (democrat-conservatives) and in the present (republican-conservatives).

Some conservatives want us to focus on the democrats and republicans of old, where the democrat 'housed' the problem. What they want you to not see hiding in plain sight: in both eras past/present, is what the people stirring up SHIT for minorities and women had in common:

CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY!

There have always been White citizens in the colonies and in the states (and in our historic federal system) who have supported minorities and women - else we would have failed long ago.Such boys and girls - men and women (liberals all) are to be praised and saluted:

Then and Now!  I, we thank you for all you do!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.86  CB   replied to  bugsy @3.2.70    2 months ago

"Bugsy" are you speaking from experience, from empathy or out of sympathy? Because you seem to not know what the hell you are talking about! Nearly all welfare program initiated by democrats have been 'watered down' by conservatives in either parties! It is conservatives who wanted black males out of the house and since it is late night I will jump ahead and point out CURRENTLY we can see conservatives jacking liberals' progress and voting success story out from under them AGAIN by 'watering down' voting laws in red-states (because they can)!

And @3.2.70 is full of bull patty! And bugsy, no matter who or what portrays itself as a conservative- it is a 'crying shame' to progress and is always pointing backward. Hell, it was conservatives who did not want presidents to bring the outhouse inside the house or build electric lights in houses in the early 1900's.

Moreover, conservatives kind of liked giving black folks projects to live in, because that way some Whites thought the 'blacks' were segregated, contained, and the controlled of the blacks ability to procreate in large numbers worked out better. In similar manner as when they gave us the 'surplus' government rations and hand outs while some Whites took good salaries and high wages and quality food and homes for themselves. Being sure to keep wages low for workers, and beneath the wage floor for Blacks!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.87  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.76    2 months ago

These conservatives do not treat people of color (or women for that matter) as they do themselves or judge us for what we do. These conservatives are and will likely always be a thorn in the backsides of people of color! We have tried to overlook their. . . stupe for too long. But as you can see, ignoring them or smiling them on won't make them get out of the way. I was born (like you and other women) into this world listening to protest songs and shouts and now I am older and all I can remember is a life chock full of highs and lows mainly brought on by something negative or stupid that some 'prissy-assed' conservatives (now Trumpism "edition") thought was "good for minorities" and women too.

They simply won't let us breathe apart from their meddlesomeness!!! Every damn election cycle - it's conservative who are the saddest, most delusional, and malcontent members of the citizenry!

So no, we could have been a nation of 'colorblind' people looking out for all the colors in our humanity; but that wouldn't be Conservative—would it? They started out on the 'wrong' foot and as the conservative thing to do is to STAY ON THE WRONG FOOT!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.88  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.49    2 months ago
So you are not ashamed of slavery?
Not me. I had nothing to do with it.

You have benefited from its consequences all your life. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.89  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @3.2.51    2 months ago
That makes zero sense.

Consider the source. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.90  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.70    2 months ago
Perrie, I understand you "claim" to be an independent, but your posts definitely show far left. Never have we observed you defend anything conservative. Quite the contrary.

Perrie gives fascists a pulpit. NT's Usual Suspects are utterly dependent on her mansuetude.

That's contributing to the destruction of America.

Not enough for you? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.2.91  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.83    2 months ago

256

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
3.2.92  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.10    2 months ago
Well that's certainly not true, there are many racist black Americans who harbor hate towards whites due to the treatment they and their ancestors have received for generations.

White people cannot be victims of discrimination.  Civil rights is not for the white population.  WASPs can only be oppressors and perpetrators.

We're witnessing exquisitely targeted civil rights legislation crafted for specific groups of people.  Civil rights is being altered to become a separate but equal set of laws tailored for specific groups of people.  Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are only the most notable groups receiving specific attention in narrow civil rights legislation.

The systemic racism found in our laws and society were put there by the white populations who have been running things for centuries, so of course when CRT examines the racial inequities.

Yes, CRT is only about the white population.  CRT does not include any presentation of efforts by the white population to address those inequities.  The white population has fought with itself over civil rights from the beginning.  

CRT is about 'whiteness', victimhood, and grievance; not about attitudes, beliefs, and schools of thought concerning civil rights.  

White Democrats and white Republicans receive the same preferential treatment in society but both receive grief for their actions if they are active bigots or pushing bigoted ideologies that discriminate against other marginalized segments of society like the lgtbq community or women wanting equal pay for equal work.

No, they don't.  Maxine Waters doesn't receive the same treatment as does Louie Gohmert.  You'll point out that Maxine Waters is not white.  But that's kinda the point, isn't it?

CRT treats the white population differently, too.  And for the same reasons.

If you believe that then go ahead, present some evidence, do a study and call it CPT (critical party theory). I think the findings would be hilariously enlightening as you struggle to prove your ridiculous opinion.

Even the ACLU is abandoning its non-partisan defense of free speech.  The ACLU is giving preferential treatment to Democratic political causes.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.93  Nerm_L  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.5    2 months ago
Isn't teaching white kids to be ashamed a perfect example of systemic racism?

What is being taught is a highly selective and distorted version of the history of the white population.  The factoids may be true but history is much more than a carefully selected set of factoids.

That highly selective set of factoids also ignores how the white population fought with itself over civil rights.  And the involvement of people other than the white population in establishing 'system racism' is completely ignored. 

There are inequities and disparities within the Black population.  And those inequities and disparities are the result of the same sort of attitudes, beliefs, and schools of thought being attributed to 'systemic racism'.

In one respect, CRT is being used as a means to unify the Black population against a common enemy.  The legacy of slavery is declining in the Black population as that population becomes more diverse.  Immigration (both legal and illegal) is affecting the Black population, too. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.94  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.93    2 months ago

Highly selective and distorted???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Talk about whitewashing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.95  CB   replied to  Tessylo @3.2.94    2 months ago

It's a piece of work alright. I just shake my head. Well, I guess I best get started dealing with this. . . .

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.2.96  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.90    2 months ago

Perrie believes in freedom of speech. If someone says something you disagree with, counter it. Shutting it down, only creates the illusion that it does not exist, but all it has done is gone underground. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.97  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.91    2 months ago

One Black man's, or several, opinion is an anecdote.  Cute. Quaint. But signifying nothing. Instead of posting (as a stall tactic) memes, why not try to unblock the path of progress by getting out of the way?! Our nation is suffering great swings of politics, because some conservatives won't grow, won't develop, and won't get the "H" out of the way so minorities can prosper more as their white counterparts do!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.98  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.97    2 months ago
because some conservatives won't grow, won't develop, and won't get the "H" out of the way so minorities can prosper more as their white counterparts do

That sounds rather like bullshit from a victim perspective. Just how in the hell do you propose getting that done? Progress has been made. Not every person of color is prospering on an even keel with their "white counterparts" but there are those who EXCEED what their "white counterparts" are experiencing. It isn't going to be race wide as some seem to think is the only way and it sure as hell isn't going to be accomplished with giveaways and making the playing field more level by picking winners and losers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.99  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @3.2.46    2 months ago
"So in your mind, what do you think makes whites privileged?

Keep in mind, all races have the same freedoms and rights in this country.

If you are left behind, usually it is by personal life choices, not because of the bad white man."

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Tessylo
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3.2.100  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @3.2.48    2 months ago
"Really? You think white people have not had privilege in this country?"

"There is no denying this."

"Yes there is. All day every day."

Next thing you know, bug will be saying that he's providing facts, and that you disagree with the facts, when bug has never provided ONE FACT.  None, zip, zero, zilch, nada, diddly.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.101  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.98    2 months ago
It isn't going to be race wide as some seem to think is the only way and it sure as hell isn't going to be accomplished with giveaways and making the playing field more level by picking winners and losers.

Well, you know, Just Jim NC TttH, you should ask Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell in the Senate and Kevin McCarthy in the House about the picking of winners and losers, because they are doing some dirty maneuvers to ignore good order and dismiss Rule of Law. Right now, in Congress, some conservatives are engaging in tom-foolery so much so that a guilty conservative can't get processed for 'breaking and entering' the Capital building, lying to Congress, or lying to the Courts!

Call it whatever you wish to label it. Some conservatives appear to be good with 'branding' things and chatting it up afterwards too!

Minorities bring a lot to the table in this country. That's why the founding fathers wanted immigrants here in the first place: To bring their talents, skills, knowledge, education, and finally 'world' cultures. Funny thing happens though: There are people who sit in the 'gate' and bitch and moan and moan and bitch about "the good old days" when "they" were the majority and "they" were solely in charge. And "they" are not willing to share with our growing nation the wealth, power, and influence of the country - as they store up the nation's receipts in ever-increasing storehouses.

You do know what Jesus had to say about those who in his time 'ride' around in purple robes (indicating power, influence, and wealth) while the poor only have the lowly dogs to lick their sores? (Just thought I would drop that into your spirit-that is, assuming you have read it at least once in your life.) Jesus alluded to these wealthy people as being selfish (Rush Limbaugh (deceased.), Mitch McConnell (upwards of 25 million in personal and family wealth) as ultimately dying and not being able to take a damn dime into "H" with them!

Amy McGrath @AmyMcGrathKY
Now that Sen. McConnell's already-super-wealthy family got its taxpayer-funded financial relief, how about making sure that regular (i.e. not wealthy) folks get their unemployment extended and state & local gov'ts get some help so that they aren't forced to lay off vital workers?
July 6, 2020
And one former and current White privileged male wants to sit in judgement of the arduous existences of ordinary rank and file workers who can't get above $7.50 minimum wage?! It's the poor fault (somehow) that rich white men have storehouses of cash and dole out "giveaways" and "trinkets" as sufficient and decent wages?
I think not!
Lastly, don't you dare criticize the poor for surviving in this shitty, f-ed up society some conservatives keep broken for them! Just don't try it!
 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.102  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.101    2 months ago

Who the hell was criticizing the poor? And if you want to point fingers at "keeping them broke", look no further than possibly both parties and especially the Democrats. You know exactly what the Dems think of people of color. Useful. And that is it. If you don't see that every damned election cycle, you are living with eyes wide closed.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.103  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.102    2 months ago

That's full of bull patty. Mitch McConnell says what he thinks of Donald Trump right after he voted to let him off the hook in his SECOND IMPEACHMENT:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell Remarks Following Senate Impeachment Vote

And now Mitch feigns Donald Trump is "good for the conservative party." And you want to talk to me about "both parties?"

It is some conservatives and Mitch McConnell who:

  1. Are breaking the senate!
  2. Are not keeping faith with the Rule of Law!
  3. Are not keeping faith with so-called, "blue states" - while turning 'flips' for Kentucky and other red states!
  4. Are not honoring their basic word!
  5. Are out right lying to Congress, lying to the people of our country, and approve of disinformation thoroughly soaking the country!

So do not write to me, "You know exactly what the Dems think of people of color" because of course I certainly do!  Got the evidence in hand too!

Democrats sit on the daises with blacks, attend to the needs, hear with their hearts what people of color think and dream, and cause and are not offended when people of color make history as President Black Male and Vice-President Black Woman of Color!

What do some conservatives do? Oh hey, they ask liberals, progressives, AND WOMEN to 'become". . . conservative. (Where is the prize in doing that?)

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.104  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.101    2 months ago
about the picking of winners and losers,

Like Maxine Waters who lives in her Ivory Tower.  What has she accomplished for her district with an astounding poverty rate of 22.2%?

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.105  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.104    2 months ago

DEFLECTION much?  Maxine Waters 'brokenness,' if so, does not fix what's eating some conservatives, does it? Fix your own damn politics and make it good for all people! Not just you and your "friends"!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.106  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.103    2 months ago
Democrats sit on the daises with blacks, attend to the needs, hear with their hearts what people of color think and dream, 

Until the election is in the rearview mirror then it's "Who?"

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.107  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.105    2 months ago

I see I hit nerve.  No deflection, just an example that all races pick winners and losers.

Fix your own damn politics and make it good for all people! Not just you and your "friends"!

Tell Maxine that.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.108  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.107    2 months ago

You tell her right after you fix your own political party. Then, she just might tune you in!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.109  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.108    2 months ago

Apparently you are to blind to see that both parties have the power.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.110  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.106    2 months ago

Is Kamala Harris still VP? Is the election over?  Did Barack Obama serve two presidential terms? Where are you getting your 'talking points" - maybe ask for a discount?!

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.111  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.109    2 months ago

Less 'attack' and more 'mental' please.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.112  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.111    2 months ago
Less 'attack' and more 'mental' please.

Heed your own statement...

 Fix your own damn politics and make it good for all people! Not just you and your "friends"!
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.113  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.109    2 months ago

Now THAT's deflection! You know there are problems in your own party but instead point at the Democrats and Maxine Waters in particular. Nothing to say about some of your own messes like Large Marge and Chester the Molester (what's that guy's name?) And then when CB rightly points out you should fix your own house first, you have the audacity to insult him and then declare both parties have problems without directly saying anything about the GOP.

Not well played, Sunshine. Not well played at all

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.114  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.110    2 months ago
Is Kamala Harris still VP? Is the election over?  

And just how in the hell did/does that help the people of color? Ms. Harris won by proxy because she was chosen by Mr. Biden for VP. She did squat in the primaries and had to drop out in her own bid for PotUS. I doubt she swayed many voters and that election was more of a dump Trump than a "we finally have a dream team".

Did Barack Obama serve two presidential terms?

Mr. Obama was a silver tongued newby novelty that many wanted to prove they weren't racist (he was half white you may recall and the only thing black about him was his skin) and ran against one John McCain (may he rest in peace) who errantly chose a ditz for his VP. And McCain wasn't that popular. For his reelection, Mr. Obama ran against one Mitt Romney who was (much like Mr. Trump later) vilified in the press and lost a lot of ground with the advent of hurricane Sandy and the rapid response. And Mr. Obama did a fair job at the office so why not give him another shot. Good thing was, he was reined in enough that his tear down of the country could never be realized. I say tear down as when one is out to fundamentally change anything, you must first get rid of how it is/was.

 Where are you getting your 'talking points" - maybe ask for a discount?!

Less "attack" and more "mental" please...............in-fucking-deed

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.115  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.17    2 months ago

Have you actually read the CRT or are you just parroting what others have said about it? I admit I haven't read it so I have no real opinion about it

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.116  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.114    2 months ago

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bugsy
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3.2.117  bugsy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.73    2 months ago
Let's talk about those social nets. Our last census shows clearly that " Poverty in single-mother households sank to its lowest rate … ever. What’s more, the decline took place entirely among black and Hispanic single-mother families.....

income for households headed by women with “no spouse present” increased by a robust 5.8%. The poverty rates for female-householder black families dropped 2.7 percentage points, while the rate for Hispanic families plunged 4 percentage points, to 31.1%, in 2018.

For blacks in female-householder families, the proportion with family incomes less than $25,000 decreased by 4.1 percentage points, while for Hispanics in female-householder families, the proportion dropped by 3 points.

Many black children look at their grand mothers as their mothers, as their real mothers decided on a life of drugs or prostitution. Many Black fathers are inmates in your local prison

Holy stereotype. We have had the largest increase in a black middle class that somehow you seem to totally ignore. Also ignored is that black poverty is at an all-time low. 

You should have finished this with "Thank you President Trump".

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.118  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.88    2 months ago
You have benefited from its consequences all your life. 

I have?

Explain to me how. And be specific to me only.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.119  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.112    2 months ago

Some conservatives need to hear this often: Political 'malcontents!' Partially, our nation is wading through mountains of debt, because the government is forced to throw good money after bad. The government tries to create programs that lift up the citizenry (diversity included) and some conservatives quench the spirit and try to prune or uproot those services, because said programs are helping select portions of the citizen population that do not hold a conservative worldview. Now it's even worse: Now, for them, it has to be Trump conservative points of view.

Case in point: The Affordable Care Act is only alive today and in relative health (and getting stronger), because some conservatives did not have sufficient creative impulses to come up with a different national health program (even a "shitty health plan" was too ambitious for these conservatives and their president of choice - Donald Trump combined), thus they could not kill the ACA outright! Boy o girl, did those conservatives want to though!

Political malcontents!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.120  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.114    2 months ago
And just how in the hell did/does that help the people of color? Ms. Harris won by proxy because she was chosen by Mr. Biden for VP. She did squat in the primaries and had to drop out in her own bid for PotUS. I doubt she swayed many voters and that election was more of a dump Trump than a "we finally have a dream team".

original     "There you go again". . .

with a narrow opinion about the Black vote! As if your "doubts" factored into the race even mildly. You do realize that people of color, specifically women of color and white suburban women too (many newly democrats and independents) were glad to make history in politics!

Notably, it did not (could not?) happen in the conservative party of the U.S. A.!

As for what Vice-President Kamala Harris brings to the 'table' in politics-watch and see like the rest of us. Don't just hate her for her independence and appointment!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.121  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.119    2 months ago

I guess you forgot that over 70% of the citizenry did not want the ACA passed.

Majority of the Democrats chose to ignore the will of the people.  How do you explain the 34 Democrats who voted with the Republicans?

The swamp is only about self-preservation and blaming just one side is delusional.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.122  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.96    2 months ago

Do you think Twitter was wrong to ban Trump? Is it OK to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater?

You assume responsibility for everything that is posted on NT. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.123  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @3.2.120    2 months ago
Don't just hate her for her independence and appointment!

Don't hate anyone. And it has nothing to do with her independence. Appointment? Yep, as noted on other days, she is in over her head. If she didn't have the support to BE PotUS, how can one in their right frame of mind think it's okay as VP should something happen to Mr. Biden prior to finishing his first and only term? I realize that more times than not, feelings drive those on the left. Proven fact no matter the unintended consequences of doing so. But this one may have been a mistake......again should something happen to Mr. Biden. For the country's sake although I disagree with O3, I hope nothing does.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.124  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.118    2 months ago

Not knowing how you've profited is a prime example of how you've profited. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.125  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.121    2 months ago

Old news much? "Sunshine," the ACA is eleven years old this year! Now to brass tacks: The conservatives (with no daylight between them politically) could not best the ACA or end it! It's the law of the land for eleven years and counting.

The only question left is this: Are some conservatives still malcontent about our popular national healthcare plan ACA? You know the one which some conservatives under conservative Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader McConnell tried so so so so hard to screw over and hoped for all they were worth that the plan would finish 'killing itself' so they could take credit for its demise!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.126  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.123    2 months ago

Sounds misogynistic and rather code-talkingish too. So I am am sure I have no comment. 

NOTE: Some conservatives said similar words about Obama too. Of course, given that Obama and Harris are firsts of their class, they have to start somewhere. You know the saying: "Hit the ground, "flop," running!"

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.127  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.125    2 months ago

          Old news much?

Only you can discuss what you brought into the conversation? 

How can they screw over people with something they never wanted to begin with?  

Again how do you explain your Democrats voting along side Republicans?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.128  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.127    2 months ago

Eleven years of Affordable Care Act and you want to deflect to "sausage-making" votes. Where people vote for varying reasons, including to keep out of the 'hot-seat' when republicans are 'gunning' for an election year soundbite! We know how these things go. And without looking, Nancy did'nt need to expose her members to unnecessary bruising so perhaps she let them off the hook in 2010? (It was a good health care plan year after all!)

Lookit! There was Nancy "yukking it up"!

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Is that President Obama signing the ACA?! Why yes! Yes, it is! (Chuckles.)

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.129  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.128    2 months ago

You claimed Democrats walked on water and didn’t pick winners and losers.  

You sure get upset when shown they do.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.130  CB   replied to  Sunshine @3.2.129    2 months ago

Yawn. This is lacking substance. Moving on.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2.131  Sunshine  replied to  CB @3.2.130    2 months ago

I see.  The truth is difficult.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.2.132  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @3.2.117    2 months ago
You should have finished this with "Thank you President Trump".

Sorry but no. A 65 year trend belongs to many administrations from both parties. But it all started with the great society. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.133  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.124    2 months ago

Not knowing how you've profited is a prime example of how you've profited. 

 

Well, that was a crappy cop out, but considering...

source...

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.134  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.124    2 months ago
Not knowing how you've profited is a prime example of how you've profited.

OK Bob, let's flip this around.

How did I, as a possible white person, stop you from being who you want to be and keep you from doing what you wanted to do in life?

Remember, your personal decisions make up the bulk of where and who you are today, not someone else's skin color.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.135  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.134    2 months ago
stop you from being who you want to be

It appears that you do not know what White Privilege is. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.2.136  CB   replied to  bugsy @3.2.134    2 months ago
as a possible white person

Commit already. 'Is' you or 'Ain't' you a White person? Don't come here arguing for not belonging to a classification. (Chuckles.)

There are just some things (in discussion) that rise above basic denial!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.137  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.135    2 months ago
It appears that you do not know what White Privilege is.

I think the justice system should be reformed to where the judge and jury never get to see the defendant or even know the name of the defendant. Their race, age (after they turn 18 they should just be referred to as "adult defendant") gender, none of it should have any bearing in a trial. They should just present the evidence referring to defendant A being accused of such and such crime, weigh the evidence without knowing what race or even gender and apply the law fairly. I believe that would fix a lot of the inequities in the justice system, though minorities would still be pulled over and searched more often than whites even though white people do and sell drugs at the same or higher rates than minorities. But at least the inequities in sentence length, bail amounts, parole eligibility and more that happen once they are accused of a crime would be more fair.

Obviously white people who rarely get pulled over because they don't fit some "profile" in a police officers mind don't know that they didn't get stopped and searched for no other reason than their skin color. They don't know they weren't followed around by store security watching their every move. They don't know they might not have been approved for a loan or weren't denied as a tenant when applying for a place to live because of their skin color. They are oblivious to white privilege because they've never had to deal with discrimination so they often don't know how good they actually have it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.138  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.135    2 months ago
It appears that you do not know what White Privilege is. 

Look, Bob, it would be much easier for you to simply say

"I have no clue what I'm talking about"

Wouldn't that be better than the mindless word games you like to play and lose every time?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2.139  Thrawn 31  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.137    2 months ago

That would be interesting, I would be very curious as to why the conviction and sentencing demographics would look like if all the personal information about the defendant and victim were removed and only the evidence was left.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.140  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.137    one month ago

Very interesting idea. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.141  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.138    one month ago

You seem to be frustrated. I suppose that's because I won't argue with you. Arguing with a TrumpTrueBeliever is like arguing with a Flat-Earther. A waste of time. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.2.142  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.113    one month ago

Some just insist on bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.143  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.137    one month ago

Or denied a job because of their race. I saw that happen in a restuarant where I used to work. A young black woman came in with a completed job application and handed it to me since I was the only one in the front. I handed it to the asst manager on duty that day and she asked me if she was black...stupid me said yes. She threw it in the trash.

I wish I had handled that better

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.144  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.141    one month ago

Emphatically.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.145  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.143    one month ago

You can't fix what's the matter with other people sometimes. You can only hope she is doing better in that area of her life now. You did your part in that transaction - good, TG! (Smile.)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.146  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @3.2.145    one month ago

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bugsy
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3.2.147  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.143    one month ago
Or denied a job because of their race. I saw that happen in a restuarant where I used to work. A young black woman came in with a completed job application and handed it to me since I was the only one in the front. I handed it to the asst manager on duty that day and she asked me if she was black...stupid me said yes. She threw it in the trash.

So why didn't you report it to the local labor office. By not doing so, you were complacent to your boss's bigotry.

Not a good look.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.148  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.141    one month ago
I suppose that's because I won't argue with you. Arguing with a TrumpTrueBeliever is like arguing with a Flat-Earther. A waste of time. 

You know, Bob, you made the claim and I asked you to clarify and even changed the scenario to make it easier for you to answer. I guess it wasn't.

Little bit of friendly advice.

If you are going to make bullshit claims here or anywhere else, I suggest you be able to back it up, or you are going to get successfully called out every time...

Just like now.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.149  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.148    one month ago

The essential claim I made is "Arguing with TrumpTrueBelievers, as with Flat-Earthers, is a waste of time."

You provide demonstrations every day. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.150  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.104    one month ago

Why do you think that a 22.2 % poverty rate is 'astounding'? There are a couple dozen districts that have far worse rates. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.151  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.149    one month ago
The essential claim I made is "Arguing with TrumpTrueBelievers, as with Flat-Earthers, is a waste of time."

No, the essential claim you made was that I had white privilege, and I asked you to prove where my privilege is. You blabbed something that if I don't see my privilege, then that shows I have privilege.

Bob, you have failed....yet again. You make stupid ass accusations, then NEVER are able to back them up. This is yet just another time.

[r][emoved]

You provide demonstrations every day.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.2.152  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.2.151    one month ago
The essential claim I made is "Arguing with TrumpTrueBelievers, as with Flat-Earthers, is a waste of time."
You provide demonstrations every day. 

And here you provide yet another great demonstration.

Why would anyone want to converse with someone like you,  [removed]  [?]

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago
Thirdly, condemning the white population for slave owners in their past also condemns the Black population for slaves in their past.  Once and always a slave owner can't be decoupled from once and always a slave.  There can't be slave owners without slaves.  The political expediency to revive the past also condemns both the white population and Black population to perpetuating that past.  And we already know which sides each of those populations represent.

What is this? A false equivalency? Nerm, our national founders were in part or whole slave-owners. As if that was not hard enough, what they did to the former slaves was nearly just as bad as working them to death for free and tossing them into shallow graves. And that is compounded upon today, because men like Mitch McConnell makes his living by taking monies, power, and influence from other wealthy Whites (and maybe sketchy wealthy people of color) and keeping the systems perpetuated that won't change the problems of the poor and minorities in our country—including the class of women.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3    2 months ago
because men like Mitch McConnell makes his living by taking monies, power, and influence from other wealthy Whites (and maybe sketchy wealthy people of color) and keeping the systems perpetuated that won't change the problems of the poor and minorities in our country—including the class of women.

Please detail what specifically McConnell has done along those lines vs. what his peers have done.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.2  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.1    2 months ago

I'm going to let you detail whatsoever you can of it Go for it: Defend the indefensible! At the most I, we, may learn something worthwhile; at the least it will end your attempt at deflection.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.2    2 months ago

So, as always, you simply refuse to answer even the most basic questions about what you post.

I suppose that is certainly one way to end debate and not have to see or hear anything that would possibly change your mind.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.1    2 months ago
"Please detail what specifically McConnell has done along those lines vs. what his peers have done."

Why don't you?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.3    2 months ago

You might be able to "change my mind" if you put forth the effort.  You're here. Swing for the 'breakers'!! 'Speak about old Mitch at great length. I feel sure you know all about his politics and views. I'll hear you out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.5    2 months ago

I realize that this may be news to you, but usually people who make claims know that the burden of proof is on them.

You claimed something about McConnell but have once again failed to back your claims up.

You and I both know you won't change your mind regarding anyone you consider to be conservative, so the remark about changing your mind falls flat on its face as soon as it appeared.

Just like all your unsubstantiated claims do.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.4    2 months ago
Why don't you?

Because I didn't make the claim, CB did.

Why don't you ask him to support his claims like you do everyone else?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.6    2 months ago

This is you putting forth "effort"??!!

This is what you look like speaking about old Mitch McConnell??!! The Grand Reaper. The Senate "buster." The conservative way AKA not the liberal way.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.9  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.7    2 months ago

Probably because some conservatives SAY they don't have a 'voice' around here, but when given a chance all some conservatives do is -sit and sit and sit and sit and sit and then bitch and moan and bitch and moan some more over what liberals do! (Smile.)

What is your message for us today, Texan?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.8    2 months ago
This is you putting forth "effort"??!!

Sigh.

Already explained in post 3.3.6.

SMH

This is what you look like speaking about oldMitch McConnell??!!The Grand Reaper. The Senate "buster." The conservative wayAKAnot the liberal way.

You made a claim and unsurprisingly have failed, as usual, to answer any questions about your claim or provide any evidence to support your claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.9    2 months ago
Probably because some conservatives SAY they don't have a 'voice' around here, but when given a chance all some conservatives do is -sit and sit and sit and sit and sit and then bitch and moan and bitch and moan some more over what liberals do! (Smile.)

Just like a particular progressive liberal claims to not have equal access to the courts.

Now, what does ANY of THAT have to do with your unsupported claim about McConnell?????????

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.12  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.11    2 months ago

I'm waiting on you, you have a responsibility to bring something substantial to every discussion, and not just carry conservative water. Sit-sit-sit-and-bitch-moan-bitch-moan somemore!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.12    2 months ago

You are STILL FAILING to support your claim.

What part of this befuddles you so?

You make a claim, you back it up.

That is how it goes.

Or in your case, make a wild-assed claim and never, ever support it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.14  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.13    2 months ago

Hold that thought, if you wish as long as you can. . . . . .

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
3.3.15  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.4    2 months ago

Gotta side with Texan on this one, the one who makes the positive claim or assertion needs to provide the supporting evidence, they have the burden of proof.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.16  CB   replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.3.15    2 months ago

I hear you. I have something to point to with McConnell (and I have provided some statements about it above). Of course, some conservatives are full of 'patty' because they want to play games-and sit-sit-sit-and-bitch-moan and facts are rendered for nought So, I won't appease some conservative. They never fully engage on the merits of fellow conservatives anyway. 

Let some conservative bitch and moan for all I care. Or, go read a "good" and "long" book or have a Long Island Ice Tea.

But Thrawn you're correct. I could answer it (better). Now I want you to take stock of what some conservative "stacked" in his (relevant) comment:

3.3.1 Texan1211 replied to  CB @ 3.3   2 days ago
because men like Mitch McConnell makes his living by taking monies, power, and influence from other wealthy Whites (and maybe sketchy wealthy people of color) and ke eping the systems perpetuated that won't change the problems of the poor and minorities in our country—including the class of women.

Please detail what specifically McConnell has done along those lines vs. what his peers have done.

That's the game. Some conservative sat the stage right there! It will waste time until the 'cows' come home and not solve a damn thing relevant to Mitch McConnell sitting on his ass in the Senate so-called holding back a 'tsunami' of positive, problem-solving legislation - from a minority senate seat no doubt -with apparently Kentucky citizens back home supporting his "grim reaper" (kill bills) brand of politics! Yes, Kentucky y'all put this 'piss-pot' back in office for six more years for your own sad, pathetic, purposes!

And, some conservative wants to waste time on " whataboutism "? That is, finger pointing? I ain't wasting time on giving some conservative satisfaction .

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.17  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.16    one month ago

A simple "I claim shit but can't support it" would have been quicker and more accurate.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.18  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.17    one month ago

And some conservatives are making life simple, quicker, and accurate how? *Yawn.* Moving on. Deflection time has ended (as usual).

NOTE : I am nearing being done with our 'ugly' get-togethers . I need to see other politically challenging minds and people. Somebody who does not handicap discussions with 'filler' instead of substance. Dealing with some conservative's comments leave me - malnourished and anemic. That can not be allowed to continue. I must stay robust and alert in this 'game.'

So, we are coming up on . . . fork-in-the-road-picture-id1069283398?k=6&m=1069283398&s=170667a&w=0&h=4oaVXVfyF5ny_X0SZQmqUwpPkuVh4vpGKGZgWQaSgas= . . .our journey's end.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.3.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.3.16    one month ago
I ain't wasting time on giving some conservative satisfaction .

Exactly. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.3.20  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.3.18    one month ago
So, we are coming up on . . .  fork-in-the-road-picture-id1069283398?k=6&m=1069283398&s=170667a&w=0&h=4oaVXVfyF5ny_X0SZQmqUwpPkuVh4vpGKGZgWQaSgas=  . . .our journey's end.

Yes. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.21  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.18    one month ago

fantastic, seeing as how it is always one sided since you refuse to answer any questions and expect me to just take at face value every word you type.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.3.22  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.3    one month ago
So, as always, you simply refuse to answer even the most basic questions about what you post.

You didn't ask a question Tex. 

I suppose that is certainly one way to end debate and not have to see or hear anything that would possibly change your mind.

Not answering question from other members is practiced here all the time, even by YOU Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.23  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.3.22    one month ago
You didn't ask a question Tex. 

I didn't??????LMMFAO at the sheer idiocy of that statement.

Are you merely pretending that my posts 3.3.1, 3.3.11, 3.3.13 don't exist? Then how the FUCK did people somehow fucking manage to respond to them??????

Not answering question from other members is practiced here all the time, even by YOU Tex. 

Coming from someone who pretends what others post or don't post. who gives a fuck?

You either are pretending I didn't ask questions or are simply incapable of reading them.

Either way, it ain't my fucking problem.

Not my circus, not my clown.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.3.24  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.23    one month ago
I didn't??????LMMFAO at the sheer idiocy of that statement. Are you merely pretending that my posts 3.3.1, 3.3.11, 3.3.13 don't exist?

The sheer idiocy is that you're having difficulty following the thread again Tex. 

I replied to your 3.3.3 comment. Your 3.3.1 comment is NOT a question. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.25  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.3.24    one month ago

Was there a fucking question in post 3.3.11 and 3.3.13 or not???????? 

Your claim was that I had asked NO questions.

That is proven and demonstrably FALSE.

oh, and BTFW, here is my post 3.3.1:

Please detail what specifically McConnell has done along those lines vs. what his peers have done.

Since it seems too difficult to grasp for some, that is me seeking clarification about HIS post.

Just fucking stop embarrassing yourself here.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.26  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.25    one month ago

Let me set the record straight. It is the duty of both sides of a dispute or disagreement to step up and present proofs to statements. I choose not to deal with you further, because you bring to this discussion: deflection, redirection, exhaustion, personal attack, or "assassination" of discussion. If you want to speak up for Mitch McConnell-there is space and 'opportunity' provided you daily here. (Clearly, you do not intend to defend Mitch McConnell) Your lack of commentary about Mitch McConnnell is equally noted!

For my part, in conclusion on this thread: If you want to know something about Mitch McConnell - you might call and ask him personally, seek out his staff, or watch current new pieces on Mitch McConnell and how and why he gets labeled, the 'grim reaper' of the Senate.

With this, I'm done with you on this. Until and unless you get more savvy about the reason you interact with my remarks.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.3.27  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.3.26    one month ago
With this, I'm done with you.... 

Took you much, much too long! 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.28  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.3.26    one month ago

You are incapable of setting anything straight.

YOU chose to speak for McConnell by your silly accusations (without any evidence, facts, or even a weak-assed attempt to explain yourself) I asked rather politely for you to provide a shred of evidence, which you have steadfastly refused to provide, so I assume it was nothing more than straight-up bullshit anyways.

We're done here.

If you ever begin to feel inclined to actually support some of your more bizarre statements, get back to me.

Until then, TOTALLY unnecessary and unwanted.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.3.29  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @3.3.27    one month ago

I am okay trying to find something to discuss with difficult people and even fringe 'talkers.' The saying goes, if you can pry open one 'moldy' mind: Go for it and let time be its own reward.

The status quo has come to an end between Texan and me, nevertheless. You will notice our exchanges shutting down immediately if there is no substance there.

And Bob, thank you for noticing. (Smile.)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.3.30  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.3.29    one month ago

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Dulay
Professor Principal
3.3.31  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.25    one month ago
That is proven and demonstrably FALSE.

Hey Tex, you made those comments AFTER the comment I replied to. I have NO intention of reviewing every fucking comment in a seed before I reply to a comment. 

So get over yourself and follow the fucking thread. 

 
 
 
Thomas
Sophomore Guide
3.3.32  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.23    one month ago
Either way, it ain't my fucking problem. Not my circus, not my clown.

Woof1 Woof! Woof!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago

You give a brilliant demonstration of CRT. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4    2 months ago

He does?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.4.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.4.1    2 months ago

He exudes privilege. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.4.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.2    2 months ago

He has plenty of company here

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
3.4.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.4.3    2 months ago

Yes. And also, he has plenty of company in the "oblivious" club. I really don't think he understands. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    2 months ago
Thirdly, condemning the white population for slave owners in their past also condemns the Black population for slaves in their past.  Once and always a slave owner can't be decoupled from once and always a slave.  There can't be slave owners without slaves.

Your nonsense is escalating. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
4.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago
Your nonsense is escalating. 

You can't even explain the relationship between slave owners and slaves.

[deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1    2 months ago
You can't even explain the relationship between slave owners and slaves.

Why? Is there someone who needs it explained to them? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1    2 months ago
It's no wonder people don't recognize that Democrats are trying to perpetuate that relationship

Now you are just tossing out hyperbole, [deleted]

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
4.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 months ago
Why? Is there someone who needs it explained to them? 

According to what is being spewed around, I have 500 years experience owning slaves and being racist.  The Black population may have learned to endure but, according the narrative, I know how to do.  Maybe I see something you don't or can't.

Give thanks for what you are about to receive.  Because you are reviving the same attitudes and relationships between the races that started the mess 500 years ago.

Ignorance about those attitudes and relationships is no excuse at this point.  If you can't recognize it then you won't avoid it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    2 months ago

I am not impressed by doubletalk.   As Thrawn says, if you dont own slaves then you have no reason to feel personally guilty about slaveowning.  The country as a whole though, has a racist history and we must not sweep it under the rug. 

Why cant conservatives just acknowledge the truth? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    2 months ago

Yes we have a racist history. Everyone knows of our past. Who isn't acknowledging it? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    2 months ago
According to what is being spewed around, I have 500 years experience owning slaves and being racist.

You’re 500 years old? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.5    2 months ago

Then what is the problem with discussing it in school?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.7    2 months ago

Depends on the delivery............c'mon you should know that. There are undoubtedly going to be different inert feelings depending on the teacher/instructor which will be evident in said delivery. Three different classrooms of the same grade are going to have three different presentations more than likely. Leaves a lot of room for emotions getting in the mix.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
4.1.9  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.8    2 months ago

Using that logic to avoid this subject, why teach any subject? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.8    2 months ago

No shit, every teacher is going to approach every subject slightly differently. So what’s the solution? Just don’t teach it in the first place? Kinda leaves out substantial periods of American history and leaves the rest not making any sense.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.10    2 months ago

Then teach American history just like you and I were taught. No need for the embellishment with inserted personal feelings "facts" NOR opinions. And as said, let them be the judge just as you and I were left to be the judge. And to tell you the truth, once out of the classroom i probably gave two shits about the race divide that was evident in the Civil War. There were sports to be played and girls to chase LOL

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
4.1.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.11    2 months ago

If we are going to give the role race he played in US history the proper attention it deserves, it does need to be discussed in proper context. Tossing facts out isn’t the right way to do it, people get all sorts of dumb ideas when they only know facts without context.

And you are totally right about that last part. Aside from a few weird kids, most aren’t gonna give much of a shit as soon as the bell rings. Seems to only be adults who are having a heart attack about this. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
4.1.13  Greg Jones  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.7    2 months ago

Then what is the problem with discussing it in school?

What positive good would come from it. It seems to be designed to stir up resentment and cast blame, in order to further divide the races.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.14  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.13    2 months ago

Truth is its own reward, Greg. So what if it builds resentment? Some conservatives 'light fires' all the time - even now. And it is still going on; nothing has stopped/ended with some conservatives -it's all the same in the conservative think-tanks.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
4.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.3    2 months ago
According to what is being spewed around, I have 500 years experience owning slaves and being racist.  

That's foolishness. You aren't old enough. 

You are a product of 500 years experience owning slaves and being racist.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.10    2 months ago

They just want to whitewash history.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
5  Greg Jones    2 months ago

No need to fear an absurd assertion that is based on ignorance, and which is not supported by facts, reason. or logic

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @5    2 months ago

You illustrate the validity of the author's premise.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
5.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @5    2 months ago

America a having a racist history is not illogical, absurd, or ignorant, it is an easily verifiable fact. And yes, that history has had long lasting and lingering effects. What is so hard about acknowledging that?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6  seeder  JBB    2 months ago

original

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
7  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

Um, people need to stop internalizing history so much. As a white American I am not worried about teaching critical race theory in the slightest. I see nothing wrong with teaching about America’s EXTREMELY racist history and it’s lingering effects.

I didn’t do it and as such I feel no sense of guilt or responsibility or need to shit my pants about acknowledging our country’s ugly past. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7    2 months ago
need to shit my pants about acknowledging our country’s ugly past. 

So the statues can be restored to their former places, the confederate flags can be flown in public (without someone shitting their pants) and all those things torn apart can be resurrected in your opinion. Neat.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    2 months ago

There is a difference between honouring the past and remembering it.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
7.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    2 months ago

“…the confederate flags can be flown in public (without someone shitting their pants) and all those things torn apart can be resurrected…”

Just what are you defending, Just Jim?

The obvious sins of our past or the concerted effort to keep those irrefutable indiscretions in the dark? Ignorance is not bliss…it only serves to perpetuate the darkness. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    2 months ago

Just out of curiosity, why would you put a statue of a Confederate general back up? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
7.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    2 months ago

Apples and oranges. Discussing those figures, their views, actions, and motivations is perfectly fine. I have no problem with that in the slightest. Erecting monuments or flying their battle flag is another matter entirely. I don’t think it is appropriate for the US to be honoring those who sought to tear the country apart in order to preserve and expand slavery.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    2 months ago

It's part of the ugly past that was being discussed. Surprised you didn't connect.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
7.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    2 months ago
So the statues can be restored to their former places, the confederate flags can be flown in public (without someone shitting their pants)

There is a huge difference between remembering history, teaching our children about what happened in the past and glorifying or honoring those who fought to keep owning other Americans as cattle. To prevent pants shitting I wouldn't be against rolls of toilet paper with the confederate flag on them, that would be a fair way to remember the confederacy without glorifying it.

Do you think those Nazi's marching in Charlottesville trying to prevent the removal of a confederate statue were simply trying to teach about the history or remembering the horror of the holocaust by flying swastika flags? Of course not, they were honoring, celebrating and glorifying the swastika and the ideology behind it that caused the murder of seven million innocent humans that they believed were somehow inferior to their Aryan race. That's what flying a swastika flag means, and flying the confederate flag isn't much different.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8  Ender    2 months ago

Listen to this pastor. This idiot is claiming critical race theory is Marxism out to destroy Christianity.

My God we live in a country of morons.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1  Ender  replied to  Ender @8    2 months ago
@danielblack108
·
3h
Replying to
so he's saying that people learning about the real history of racism will out christians as racist...cool
 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.2  Ender  replied to  Ender @8    2 months ago
@MelissaMcInern2
·
3h
Replying to
Blah blah blah blah. A word salad that basically says...what? That teaching history as it was is an indictment of Christianity? Okay. Maybe use it as an opportunity to see where you went wrong as a Christian.
 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.3  Ender  replied to  Ender @8    2 months ago
@jtlevy
· May 30
US conservatives 2020: "We have to leave the statues of racists in place so that we can remember and teach about the history of racism."
US conservatives 2021: "It is illegal to teach about the history of racism."
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
9  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

The parrots have taken their orders and are regurgitating the pro-CRT talking points they are spoon fed, I see. Having skimmed articles on far left websites they dutifully squawk that CRT just teaches kids that slavery existed or that racism is bad, and without CRT, kids would never hear those things!.  

As others have pointed out, its a classic example of the motte and bailey fallacy.  While talking to outsiders and simple liberals who need talking points, they claim CRT is just teaching kids racism exists or other harmless pabulum.  But when the CRT experts  are talking, as John perhaps inadvertently pointed out in a different thread, to each other and not for the consumption of lay people, you see how much more grandiose the designs of CRT are.  It's a word view totally obsessed with one's race as the defining characteristic of one's existence, and every interaction one engages in is predicated on race.  It's a totalitarian philosophy obsessed with Racial identity. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    2 months ago

Sean. please list all the k-12 schools that are teaching critical race theory. Short of that, one or two. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
9.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    2 months ago

I've already quoted the head of one school. 

IS your defense of CRT is that its not worth discussing because schools aren't adopting it? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
9.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    2 months ago
It's a word view totally obsessed with one's race as the defining characteristic of one's existence, and every interaction one engages in is predicated on race.  It's a totalitarian philosophy obsessed with Racial identity. 

No. At the academic level critical race theory is the examination of the legal institutions throughout the US and the impact race has had on said institutions and broader society generally as it relates to them. It is just one way to look at current and historical issues, but I haven’t heard anyone say it’s the only way. All it is is a different perspective to take into consideration when examining the larger whole.

The only people I have heard say the shit you spouted are those outside of academia who actually have no fucking idea what they are talking about and apparently are so wrapped up in the color of their skin that they seem to feel attacked personally when it comes to the issue of racism in America. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
9.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2    2 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2    2 months ago
"The only people I have heard say the shit you spouted are those outside of academia who actually have no fucking idea what they are talking about and apparently are so wrapped up in the color of their skin that they seem to feel attacked personally when it comes to the issue of racism in America."

That's it exactly!  How they hate having that pointed out to them!  Always whitewashing history.  Wonder why they take it so personally?

 
 
 
exexpatnowinva
Freshman Quiet
10  exexpatnowinva    one month ago
For those basking in white privilege, critically evaluating the racial caste system feels terrifying. They fear tectonic plates shifting beneath our social landmass.

Not much more needs to be said about the "author" of the seeded article than those six words.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
10.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  exexpatnowinva @10    one month ago
Not much more needs to be said about the "author" of the seeded article than those six words.

Indeed. They are s-o-o-o right. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.2  Texan1211  replied to  exexpatnowinva @10    one month ago
Not much more needs to be said about the "author" of the seeded article than those six words.

More idiotic words are rarely seen.

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
11  Veronica    one month ago

I saw a sign being held up about this on my stroll through the "interwebs".  It said education, not indoctrination.  But those same people want their Christian god back in our schools to indoctrinate children into the Christian faith....  seems kind of...what is that word again????

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
11.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Veronica @11    one month ago

Ummmm.... 

You're looking for coherence, maybe?? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.2  CB   replied to  Veronica @11    one month ago

Seems kind of . . .Incoherent. (Is that the word being sought after?)

Selective?

Boutique politics?

Prima donna or Primo unomo?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
12  r.t..b...    one month ago

The biggest critics are seemingly the biggest advocates for charter schools. More power to them…as long as they are willing to put their money where their mouth is and not demand public funding while decrying public education as a whole. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
13  Bob Nelson    one month ago
not demand public funding

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Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
14  Bob Nelson    one month ago
not demand public funding

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CB
Professor Principal
15  CB     one month ago

What is Critical Race Theory?

critical race theory (CRT) , intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.

Critical race theory (CRT) was officially organized in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much farther, to the 1960s and ’70s. 

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Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
15.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @15    one month ago

CRT is whatever its opponents wish. They will "reformulate" any and all ideas, transforming them into strawmen, which they then trash. 

Their strawman CRT is their "truth". Arguing is pointless, because you will never be on the same page. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.1  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1    one month ago

We argue, because we must 'straighten' out the lies. Sure, some conservatives are lying, but the struggle continues. Truth will adorn itself around the necks of the people if it is spoken. That is the nature of truth-to be true no matter the lie.

Where a lie abides, truth abides more.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
15.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @15.1.1    one month ago

On NT, we have three groups: the libs, the fascists, and the refuse-to-take-a-position fence-sitters.

All of us, in all three groups, know each others' arguments. Repeating them is pointless.

"Repeating the same action, expecting a different result, is a sign of madness." 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.3  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1.2    one month ago

It's futile then?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
15.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @15.1.3    one month ago

Arguing is futile.

The best we can do is to stay mobilized. Our democracy has only a slim chance of survival over the next decades. The Fascists must be crushed, electorally, over and over, and that would require a level of determination that I do not see in most Americans. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.5  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1.4    one month ago

Well, Americans better get with the program! Because Trump populists are on the move! They will unpack our rights and privileges and repack Trump concepts into tidy 'inserts' with bows even and stuff them into our orifices!

Just look at what Trump populists attempt to do without the levers of power in the 'fed' system.

Democrats look weak. All this 'chattin' back and forth is wearing on the minds. I am 'bout to call my Senators (yes, even old Feinstein) and blast them for letting the reporting on Manchin and Sistema become noise that is bumming people out across the country.

It's exhausting to listen to. Reminds me of the noise that came out of Obamacare, which resulted in passage of the law. . .but loss of the House.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
15.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @15.1.5    one month ago

You understand why I'm pessimistic, then.... 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.1.7  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1.6    one month ago

Yes, I do. I am/can be bummed too. Still, what can we do, except keep putting on our gear and getting after it?! How about that Beto O'Rourke who is 'lacing up his boots' and doing the Stacy Adams 'thing' in Texas?!  It's a big "f-n" deal there!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
15.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @15.1.7    one month ago

You're right. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
16  CB     one month ago

Some conservatives are smart to attempt to discombobulate CRT, because they fear the cohesion it can bring to the burgeoning numbers of minorities banding together to create liberal and progressive political 'force.' Consequently, it follows that, since some conservatives are all for the status quo these folks do not desire to admit to that which "haunts" their politics of today. That is, some conservatives are on the wrong glide path to the future, but they can not or refuse to change.

What's left for them is bigger and speedier lies.

Donald Trump, a hard-liar, told his 30,000 lies and now his populist followers are beginning to tell theirs!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17  CB     one month ago

Being pro-Black and pro-Minority does not translate to being "anti-White." 

Being pro-Girl or pro-Woman does not mean being "anti-Male."

Being pro-Liberal and pro-Progressive does not lead directly to "anti-Conservative."

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @17    one month ago
Being pro-Black and pro-Minority does not translate to being "anti-White." 

Likewise, being pro-white doesn't mean you are a racist.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.1  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @17.1    one month ago

Of course not! We can all take pride in ourselves. And seek/be our best!

Racism is a sickness, a disease, a perversion, a sadness, a discordance, a health crisis. . . .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
17.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @17.1    one month ago
Likewise, being pro-white doesn't mean you are a racist.

Non whites are a historically oppressed "racial" representation in the United States. Whites are not. If anything whites are defacto the oppressors. 

There is no need whatsoever for anyone to be "pro-white" . Is it racist? Possibly. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.2    one month ago

Being pro-white is no more racist than being pro-black of pro-brown.

Only silly people think being pro-white makes one a racist.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.4  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.2    one month ago

We can be consistent. White People can be pro-White without being anti-Black or anti-Minorities.

Racism and oppression carries its own baggage around.

Can there be intersectionality between two or more types, kinds, and things - yes, there can be.

Still these can be separated, disentangled, knots untied, and wrinkles ironed out. (Smile.)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
17.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @17.1.4    one month ago

Since whites have no "problems" based on race, there is no purpose to being "pro-white" and thus it is highly questionable as a position. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
17.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @17.1    one month ago

some people probably don't have a big enough perspective to understand this. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
17.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.6    one month ago

I can't see where any rational person would have a hard time understanding that being pro-white doesn't make you a racist.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.8  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.5    one month ago

Being "pro—" has become political (and I can see where you are with this). That has not always been the case though. Being "pro-something" in its proper usage can be positive and uplifting. 

For example, this is PRIDE month. Being pro-Homosexual does not being "anti-Conservative."  Or, vice-versa.

We (all) have to begin the long slog up the 'mountain' to put life back on its proper, . . . or a better course!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.1.9  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @17.1.5    one month ago

My friend (If I can call you such), pro-White simply means "with my people." In its purest form it does not traffic in seediness. In a larger sense and category it means: pro-People.

Eh?

We can leave the pejorative use of the phrase behind in the dumps of time - if others cooperate!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
17.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  CB @17    one month ago

Meh, I am "pro" whoever is useful/best suited to a task. I don't care what their race/ethnicity is because it doesn't fucking matter. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
17.2.1  CB   replied to  Thrawn 31 @17.2    one month ago

I can "feel" you on that one! Skin is skin. And we ought to all feel good about our skins! After all, where would we be without this skin?!!! (Chuckles.)

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
18  seeder  JBB    one month ago

original

 
 
 
Freewill
Sophomore Participates
18.1  Freewill  replied to  JBB @18    4 weeks ago

Hmmm… maybe you haven’t found the right clitoris….jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
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