SHOCK MOVE US Olympian & Black Lives Matter activist Gwen Berry TURNS AWAY from US flag and says she was ‘p***ed’ anthem was played

  

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SHOCK MOVE US Olympian & Black Lives Matter activist Gwen Berry TURNS AWAY from US flag and says she was ‘p***ed’ anthem was played

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OLYMPIAN Gwen Berry turned away from the US flag as she was "p***ed" the national anthem played while she stood on the podium during a trial event.

The Black Lives Matters activist says she feels it was "a set-up" and that she was the anthem was put on "on purpose".

The music has been played once per evening at US Olympic track and field trials - but on Saturday, it started while Berry was standing on the podium after receiving a bronze medal in the hammer throw.

Disgruntled Berry placed her left hand on her hip and fidgeted before turning to face the stands instead of the US flag, while two fellow contestants placed their hands on their hearts.

As the song came to a close, Berry pulled up her black T-shirt with the words "Activist Athlete" emblazoned on the front to cover her head.

"I feel like it was a setup, and they did it on purpose,'' Berry said of the timing of the anthem.

"I was p***ed, to be honest.

"They said they were going to play it before we walked out, then they played it when we were out there.

"But I don’t really want to talk about the anthem because that’s not important.

"The anthem doesn’t speak for me. It never has.”

The US Olympic and Paralympic Committee previously that athletes competing in trials can protest, including kneeling or raising a clenched fist on the podium or at the start line during the national anthem.

Berry commended this decision, writing on social media: "We did it... we are making history.

"Shoutout to all those involved in the amazing movement!!"

The activist says that her mission is "bigger than the sport" she wants to represent "her communities and people".

"I'm here to represent those who died due to systemic racism," she said.

"That's the important part. That's why I'm going. That's why I'm here today.''

USA Track and Field said the anthem was played every day at the trials according to a published schedule.

"The national anthem was scheduled to play at 5.20pm," spokeswoman spokeswoman Susan Hazzard said.

"We didn’t wait until the athletes were on the podium for the hammer throw awards.

"The national anthem is played every day according to a previously published schedule.”

On Saturday, the music started at 5.25pm.


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    one month ago

Comments??

NO POLITICS.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago
Comments??

Who cares?

She's not a politician, she has a right to her own opinion.  Is the right going to try to "cancel" her for stating her personal beliefs? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one month ago
Is the right going to try to "cancel" her for stating her personal beliefs? 

Good point. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

"I feel like it was a setup, and they did it on purpose,'' Berry said of the timing of the anthem.

"The anthem doesn’t speak for me. It never has.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.3    one month ago

What's the problem?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.3    one month ago

Is there something in the constitution that requires everyone to love the anthem?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.5    one month ago

Uhhh - and where in the seed or in any discussions have you seen it to be a constitutional requirement?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.6    one month ago
"The anthem doesn’t speak for me. It never has.”

No, but you seem to have a problem with her words

 
 
 
dennis smith
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1.1.8  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one month ago

Only the tech giants try to cancel those who express their own opinions on Facebook, Google, Twitter etc.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.9  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    one month ago

Nope - just her attitude towards the U.S. and her blatant voicing of that attitude.

The Committee "set her up" - "they did it on purpose"?

Wonder what kinda cheese she wants with that whine?

Notice that you didn't answer my question in 1.1.6. - couldn't find it, eh?  The reference I mean.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.10  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one month ago
  Is the right going to try to "cancel" her for stating her personal beliefs? 

Well the left has set the precedent. The tried several times to cancel Rush for his opinions, they tried to cancel Dan Cathy for his opinions and they have tried to cancel several others because of their beliefs

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.1.11  Drakkonis  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.7    one month ago
No, but you seem to have a problem with her words

Yes, I have a problem with her words. She is supposed to represent the USA if she secures a spot on the Olympic team. If she can't represent that, what is she doing competing? It seems to me she's more worried about herself and her image than the team. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  dennis smith @1.1.8    one month ago

Only the tech giants try to cancel those who express their own opinions on Facebook, Google, Twitter etc.

Does Liz Cheney and the other republicans that supported Trump's impeachment know that?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

how do you like the 1st amendment now, super non-patriots? bfd.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.2    one month ago

The First Amendment has limits.

What this clown did was fucking disrespectful and I believe it should disqualify her from representing the country she lives in.

She is free to express her views elsewhere.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    one month ago

The attitude she displayed very clearly shows she isn't representing the U.S.

See her words -

"I'm here to represent those who died due to systemic racism," she said.

"That's the important part. That's why I'm going. That's why I'm here today.''

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.2    one month ago

She is entitled to her opinion but shouldn't be on the US Team.

What gets me is the people who support her actions are some of the same ones who always are worrying what the rest of the world thinks of us.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.3    one month ago

and you think the rest of the world will think less of the US because one athlete turned her back on the national anthem ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    one month ago

Personally, no, nor do I care what the world thinks of us.

The point is that the same people who always worry what the world thinks of us over displays far less deserving of ridicule than this incident don't seem to care how we look now.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  1stwarrior @1    one month ago

Boot her butt of the team.  It would be better for our country not to medal in that sport than to see her on a medal platform doing that abroad.  The same applies to anyone else so inclined.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    one month ago

Give her das boot, bring up the next in line who would love to have her spot.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

Nah, I want the best out there to increase the chances of a medal. Going through the motions won’t mean shit if we aren’t even on the podium.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1    one month ago

She's not the best.   She's third best at best.

Das boot, give the opportunity to someone who will really appreciate it.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    one month ago

Third best is better than 4th best. Helps our odds in the medal count more.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.2    one month ago

Are trophies all that counts? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1    one month ago

It would be better for the country not to medal than to endure her antics on the podium with one.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

Disagree here.

What is more American than holding true to your values and voicing your dissent in the hopes of effecting positive change?

Many will question those values in the name of symbolism over substance, but to stand up for your beliefs is our birthright.

More power to her. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2    one month ago

Opinions do vary ....

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.1    one month ago
Opinions do vary ....

Are you opposed to Americans voicing their own personal opinions?  Or is it just that her opinion defers from your own, that bothers you?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.1    one month ago

So you would bounce her from the team. The only reason being her values do not align with yours. Dangerous and debilitating thought process should that somehow become a litmus test for inclusion. 

You’re certainly entitled to your opinions, but yours most definitely should not infringe upon hers. 

Again, more power to her. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.3    one month ago

Again, opinions do vary and please don't try to put words in my mouth.

To clarify my position to those here who appear to be so vexed by it:

She is entitled to do what she wants and i'm entitled to have opinion about it.   And that opinion is you don't disrespect the flag.

That opinion isn't going to change, not for her, not for anyone.

Full stop .... das boot

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2.3    one month ago

And liberals are the "fascists" jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.4    one month ago

'das boot'

How clever and original and nonsensical and downright stupid!

How is she disrespecting the flag?

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.7  Veronica  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.4    one month ago
don't disrespect the flag.

LIke wearing it as a t-shirt, or a hat, or a bikini, or having it flying from the back of your pick up all tattered?

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All pics from Trump rallies.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  Veronica @2.2.7    one month ago

None are my cup of tea but to each their own as none of those examples are intended to disrespect the flag you think?

The tattered flag from the back of truck is the exception that i see from your examples.   Just the other day i motioned one of those to the side of the road and helped him fold and retire the tattered flag he was flying from the back of his truck.   I had him follow me to my office a few miles away and gave him a new, fresh one and told him to stop by anytime for a new one when needed.

He clearly didn't mean disrespect either, he just wasn't ever told to know better.   Now he does.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.9  Veronica  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.8    one month ago

4 U.S. Code   § 8. Respect for flag

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The flag should never be worn as clothing.  

The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free.

So therefore wearing it as clothing is showing disrespect.

But since it doesn't bother you it is ok.  EVEN though as shown by the above link it is not ok & is disrespectful of the US Flag.

So if a person is a moron it is ok for them to disrespect the flag in your book. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.10  Sparty On  replied to  Veronica @2.2.9    one month ago

Lol ..... i knew that was coming.   I know that code inside and out and simply don't care if done tastefully and not out of disrespect.  

I suppose you stop at every house you see flying a flag unlighted in the dark and tell them to light it or take it down.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Veronica @2.2.7    one month ago

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Tessylo
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2.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.10    one month ago

Yet you say Gwen Berry disrespected the flag. . . .  how?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    one month ago

If you don't already know, no amount of explanation will ever, ever be enough.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.14  Veronica  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.10    one month ago

I see - so YOU get to decide was is respectful & disrespectful - GOTCHA.  

I suppose you stop at every house you see flying a flag unlighted in the dark and tell them to light it or take it down.

No, because I could give a fuck.  Unlike you I am simply showing you instances of disrespect BASED on the code while you determine yourself what is disrespectful & only if they don't agree with you politically.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.12    one month ago

She didn't. She simply objected to the anthem playing. But for some reason this has gotten twisted into "SHE'S DISRESPECTING THE FLAG!!!!!!!"

Geez...talk about hysteria!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.13    one month ago

Meaning, SHE DIDN'T.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.16    one month ago

If you don't already know, no amount of explanation will ever, ever be enough.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.11    one month ago
They all look like inbred morons! Which they are!

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Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Veronica @2.2.9    one month ago

I know Americans will argue that they have the right to shit and piss on their flag, tear it to shreds and use it to wrap their garbage, because that's a 'God-given" right etched in stone in the First Amendment.  Personally I think the flag and the anthem are symbolic NOT of a temporary governing body, but of a great country, a nation that is, as Woody Guthrie wrote and sang, a nation made for you and me - not a government, but the mountains and rivers and lakes and forests and islands, and fields and cities and towns and in my opinion anyone who does not have respect for their flag and their anthem is a fucking asshole that doesn't DESERVE to be an American.   I've said this before and I won't stop saying it no matter how much I'm told it's your fucking "freedom", because it sure as hell isn't your brains and your heart.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.20  XXJefferson51  replied to  r.t..b... @2.2    one month ago

There will be no dialogue or change based on a gesture like that.  We need to let them know that such gestures will result in a digging in and doubling down upon what whatever they are protesting no matter the justness of their cause until they cease and desist in embarrassing our nation by their juvenile behavior.  The olympics are not a place for politics in any form.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.21  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.19    one month ago

We actually agree on this. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.15    one month ago

Disrespecting the anthem or the pledge is disrespecting the Flag.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.23  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.21    one month ago
"We actually agree on this." 

It's not the only thing we've agreed on , but when we disagree, it's the war of the worlds. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.13    one month ago

Because she didn't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.17    one month ago

Meaning, SHE DIDN'T.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.19    one month ago

You know what they say about opinions though.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2.27  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.22    one month ago

No, it isn't.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.2.28  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.22    one month ago

Disrespecting the anthem or the pledge is disrespecting the Flag.  

And disrespecting the electorate is disrespecting democracy, but you’re okay with that.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.29  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.26    one month ago

Well, that can depend on whose opinions they are.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.30  Veronica  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.19    one month ago

Not my point, but WHATEVER.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.31  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Veronica @2.2.30    one month ago

Sorry, I didn't realize you were strictly referring to clothing.  I thought you were making the point about respecting the flag generally.  My bad.  However, I expressed what I feel about respect for the flag generally.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.32  Veronica  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.31    one month ago

I was speaking more to the fact that some people here think that they should decide what is disrespect & what isn't when it is clearly defined.  Some people think it is ok to wear the flag (when it isn't) if they agree with them politically.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.33  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.25    one month ago

Hey it's ok to ignore reality!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.34  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.33    one month ago

Yes, you continue to do that dude.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.43  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to    one month ago

Veronica/Sparty On - Both of you  - quit the bitch-slapping.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2.44  Veronica  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.43    one month ago

Yes sir.  ~hangs head~.  

Enjoy your day.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.45  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Veronica @2.2.44    one month ago

Thank you Ma'am- was starting to go waaayyyy off topic.

Appreciate your help jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

Why, for rightfully speaking her mind?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2.3    one month ago
Why, for rightfully speaking her mind?

Well the right does have the habit of cancelling and censuring those that speak their mind.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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2.3.2  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.1    one month ago

Nah, that is the tech giants who do that 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.3  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.1    one month ago

Who started the whole damn cancel culture? It sure as hell wasn't the right. The left just can't handle it now that the right have picked up their ways. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  dennis smith @2.3.2    one month ago
Nah, that is the tech giants who do that

Tech giants have censured Liz Cheney, and demoted her?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.3    one month ago
Who started the whole damn cancel culture?

Republicans, it is their newest fake conspiracy.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.6  XXJefferson51  replied to  dennis smith @2.3.2    one month ago

And to conservatives and Christians, not to haters like her.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.5    one month ago
"Republicans, it is their newest fake conspiracy."

Yup, along with CRT.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.5    one month ago
"Who started the whole damn cancel culture?"
"Republicans, it is their newest fake conspiracy."

That was last months' fake conspiracy.

This months' is CRT.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.4  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

Problem is she tried to play it like it was all about her. What the dumbass doesn't realize is that she came in third, not first, not second...third.

If she didn't pull her bullshit move, no one would be talking about her, and after a couple of days, no one will be talking about her any longer.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3  Thrawn 31    one month ago

I don’t really know what was going on here. I had read that they played the anthem twice already or something and that the athletes were told it would t happen again cuz it was hotter than hell out. And then they did it anyways or something. IDK what the deal was exactly, but she should have gone through the motions and then bitched about it later.

What I do know is that the US women’s gymnastics team looks pretty strong this year even with Biles falling off the beam once.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3    one month ago

Biles is an amazing athlete.    What she does in her routines is almost unworldly at times.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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3.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    one month ago

“Biles is an amazing athlete.”

She is also (gasp) using her platform as a social justice advocate. As impressive and offering a greater potential impact than her incredible performances.

An amazing young and powerful woman. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    one month ago

She is incredible. I like how even when she falls off she still gets a high score just because her execution on the rest of the routine is so solid and the routine in general is essentially set at max difficulty. And then of course she goes out and does things no one else can do.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1.1    one month ago

This thread is about Gwen Berry - stay on topic please.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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3.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.3    one month ago

She certainly has different taste in music than most Americans

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.1.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    one month ago

Gwen Berry - topic.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.5    one month ago

But Simone Biles is cooler.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    one month ago

Of course, this was a political action and it isnt possible to effectively discuss it without a reference to the politics of it. 

Racial activism is a double edge sword. Some people will have sympathy for you, and some people will think you are whiner.  I assume she knows that and doesnt care. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago
I assume she knows that and doesnt care. 

That's cool and i don't care what she thinks.   So we are even.

Give her das boot and let her spot go to the next in line who will appreciate the opportunity.

And lets be clear on this.   The Olympic experience is an opportunity, not a privilege

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    one month ago

I dont think they can or will dump her just because people like you think she doesnt sufficiently appreciate being on the US team. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    one month ago

Never said they would John, only that they should.

No worries though.   If she stays on the team her chances to make the podium are minuscule at best.   No matter how hard progressives here hope, pray and boil Eye of Newt for it to happen.

The Olympic committee clearly knows that.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    one month ago
That's cool and i don't care what she thinks.   So we are even.

Then why are you advocating to give her "das boot"?  If you DON'T care, why are your other comments showing that you DO care?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.1.4  evilgenius  replied to  Sparty On @4.1    one month ago
Give her das boot and let her spot go to the next in line who will appreciate the opportunity.

Why? By your logic they should be booting all those who say they are Christians first, Americans second. 

The Olympic experience is an opportunity, not a privilege

While US citizens, including Olympic athletes, have 1st Amendment rights the International Olympic Committee (IOC) is a private organization. The various Olympic National Committees can get political, but we have legal rules respecting some freedoms still. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.3    one month ago

She's a political activist who's views don't represent those of the majority of Americans. The Olympics is not the place to put ones stupidity on display

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.5    one month ago

...the majority of willfully ignorant americans for sure.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.1.7  evilgenius  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.5    one month ago
She's a political activist who's views don't represent those of the majority of Americans.

So?

The Olympics is not the place to put ones stupidity on display

She's not the first, nor will she be the last to use an international platform to bring attention to a cause. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1.8  Thrawn 31  replied to  evilgenius @4.1.7    one month ago

If she was trying to make a statement of some sort I don’t think the podium is the place for it. Again I don’t know what was going on with all of that, but save it for after the podium.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.5    one month ago
She's a political activist who's views don't represent those of the majority of Americans.

She is an American citizen who has the Constitutional right to think, act, and speak anyway she wants that does not violate a law.

The Olympics is not the place to put ones stupidity on display

That is your belief, which violates American freedoms.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.8    one month ago

Where no one will hear it?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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4.1.11  evilgenius  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.8    one month ago
If she was trying to make a statement of some sort I don’t think the podium is the place for it. Again I don’t know what was going on with all of that, but save it for after the podium.

I would tend to agree, but she isn't the first to do so and won't be the last. Tommie Smith and John Carols - gold and bronze mentalists in the 200-meter fun at the 1968 Olympic games stood at the podium with a fist raised and heads down in protest against unfair treatment of African-Americans. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.12  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.5    one month ago
The Olympics is not the place to put ones stupidity on display

Except it has been done in the past.  I don't agree with what she did and wish she hadn't. I feel if you are on the Olympic team to represent the USA then you need to represent the USA and respect all the symbols of this country. But all in all this is a minor thing. IMO she would have gotten more traction if she had talked with reporters while at the Olympics than this action.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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4.1.13  dennis smith  replied to  evilgenius @4.1.11    one month ago

That is way back in history, over 50 years ago. Totally a different time.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.1.14  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.9    one month ago

You wanna tell us where you actually think your point is going?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    one month ago

She's a nothing burger that no one cares about or will remember

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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5.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

And the more she is dismissed and disparaged, the louder her voice will become…so…please continue. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1    one month ago

She's a temporary nutcase distraction, unlikely to even make the team

 
 
 
dennis smith
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5.1.2  dennis smith  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    one month ago

Replace temporary with permanent and the shoe fits her.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1    one month ago

The louder her actions are expressed the more we ignore because she did.  She has to be shown that her behavior is counter productive to her cause and that her cause can never advance by resorting to that kind of behavior. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.2  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago

Yep, she's not even first loser

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @5    one month ago
She's a nothing burger that no one cares about or will remember

From the number of comments you have made in this thread, YOU CARE ABOOUT HER.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.3.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3    one month ago

Obviously, as do you.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  1stwarrior @5.3.1    one month ago
Obviously, as do you.

Have I said otherwise, like Greg?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.3.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3    one month ago

I don’t care about her at all.  I care about her behavior and oppose it to the extent that it needs to be that such behavior is only counter productive and will only generate opposition to her cause not support.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.3.3    one month ago
I don’t care about her at all.

Congratulations!!  Who cares if you do or not?

I care about her behavior and oppose it to the extent that it needs to be that such behavior is only counter productive and will only generate opposition to her cause not support.

Again, so what!  That is her concern and not yours, unless your 1st sentence was a lie and you do care about her.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6  Paula Bartholomew    one month ago

The anthem is often played for medal winners so why was she so shocked and shaken that it happened to her?  Before y'all jump on me, I am neither condoning or condemning her actions.  It was just a question.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    one month ago

I had read that it had already been played a couple times and they were told it wouldn’t be played again on the podium because it was hot as fuck out, but then they did it anyways. That is just what I read last night, could be total bullshit.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.1    one month ago

Not bullshit. There is a report out there that the schedule included a 5:25 replay of it if I remember correctly. They just didn't stop it..........

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.1    one month ago

Fair enough.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2  Sparty On  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6    one month ago

Bazinga.  

And if she dislike what the USA represents so much why does she insist on representing it in the Olympics?   A better protest would be to boycott the Olympics entirely.

She is clearly just looking for her 15 minutes IMO.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    one month ago

The action is inappropriate for two reasons.

First, she is supposed to be representing the country and the people symbolized by that the flag and the anthem. If she doesn’t want to represent those things, then she should not take part. It is a kind of fraud to put yourself out as representing a thing, enjoy the benefits of that thing, and then attack it while taking part.

Second, the Olympics are supposed to be a venue where politics and conflict are set aside and all people come together in friendship and sportsmanship. Therefore, a political demonstration is inappropriate at the Olympics, and I think in that spirit, it should also be seen as inappropriate at the Olympic trials.

"The anthem doesn’t speak for me. It never has.”

Then, if you’re honest, you should maybe not compete for the team associated with it. Be on someone else’s team.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Tacos! @7    one month ago

384

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1    one month ago

Yeah, one of the things that also sucks about this story is that the brat not pictured here has drawn attention away from people who deserve it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8  Texan1211    one month ago

She was pissed the national anthem was played.

Fuck that bitch.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @8    one month ago

Stay classy there Tex!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.1    one month ago

Or smart, or intelligent, or respectful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.1    one month ago

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Texan1211
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8.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.2    one month ago

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charger 383
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9  charger 383    one month ago

Who pays the bills for her to particapate in the try outs?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1  Tessylo  replied to  charger 383 @9    one month ago

What does that matter?

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @9.1    one month ago

I would like to know

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  charger 383 @9.1.1    one month ago

It used to be some got subsidized to tryout and some didn't based on an Olympic Standard system.    Which is also dependent on the sport.

Basically the better athletes got subsidized and others had to pay their own way.

Not sure how it works today.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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9.2  dennis smith  replied to  charger 383 @9    one month ago

Our tax money does. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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9.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  dennis smith @9.2    one month ago

Gwen Berry, now a two-time Olympian, turned pro in 2011 and has an estimated net worth between $1-$5 million. 

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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9.2.2  Duck Hawk  replied to  dennis smith @9.2    one month ago

No, she has private corporate sponsors. One of them has dropped her.

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.2.3  charger 383  replied to  Duck Hawk @9.2.2    one month ago

Good for them

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.1    one month ago

I didnt even know there were professional hammer throwers. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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9.2.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  dennis smith @9.2    one month ago

Our tax $s don’t pay Olympic athletes.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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9.2.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Thrawn 31 @9.2.5    one month ago

Taxpayers Foot Some of the Bill

Who pays these high prices? Taxpayers of the hosting city will foot a good portion of the bill. For the 2012 London Games, public sector funding contributed £6.7 billion ($8.7 billion) toward costs. Boston also pulled out of the 2024 Games bidding when Mayor Marty Walsh found out locals could be held accountable for run-off costs.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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9.2.7  dennis smith  replied to  r.t..b... @9.2.1    one month ago

Olympic hopefuls are funded by/use taxpayer money no matter how much sponsors support them 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  dennis smith @9.2    one month ago

"Our tax money does."

Prove it!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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9.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  dennis smith @9.2.7    one month ago

So every Olympic hopeful, not just this one whom you knew absolutely nothing about a scant week ago. 

So what is your point here, other than exposing your selective outrage?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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10  evilgenius    one month ago

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bugsy
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10.1  bugsy  replied to  evilgenius @10    one month ago

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Kavika
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11  Kavika     one month ago

She does have the right to say what she said. It doesn't make any difference if anyone likes or dislike what she said. Right or wrong she is entitled to say it. 

 

 
 
 
Kavika
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11.1  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @11    one month ago

She beat out a First American, Janee Kassanavoid (Commanche) by 2 inches. 

512

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @11.1    one month ago

Game of inches. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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11.2  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @11    one month ago

Sure she is entitled. As the left loves to always remind us words have consequences. If the majority of Americans don't like her words and actions she can be canceled.

Sounds like she might very well get canceled. I am sure corporate sponsors of the Olympics will be force to think long and hard before putting her in any commercials or promos. If they do; well those actions have consequences as well. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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11.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @11.2    one month ago
Sure she is entitled. As the left loves to always remind us words have consequences. If the majority of Americans don't like her words and actions she can be canceled.

I thought it was the right that loves to remind us that words have consequences, no matter it's her right, free speech, and what the consequences are they are. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.3  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @11    one month ago
She does have the right to say what she said.

Sure she does. She does not have a right to represent the United States of America in international competition. That is a privilege and an honor.

 
 
 
Kavika
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11.3.1  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @11.3    one month ago
Sure she does. She does not have a right to represent the United States of America in international competition. That is a privilege and an honor.

I know of no rule that would ban her from competition because of what she said/did. If there is then it should be enforced.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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11.3.2  evilgenius  replied to  Kavika @11.3.1    one month ago
I know of no rule that would ban her from competition because of what she said/did.

Gwen Berry was put on probation in the 2019 Pan-American Games after she raised a fist in demonstration. In March the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee changed its rules to allow demonstrations specifically to push back against the IOC rule 50.

Rule 50 of the Olympic Charter provides a framework to protect the neutrality of sport and the Olympic Games. In addition to prohibiting commercial installations and advertising signs, it states that: “No kind of demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda is permitted in any Olympic sites, venues or other areas”.

Rule 50 is in place to keep the field of play, the Olympic Village and the podium neutral and free from any form of political, religious or ethnic demonstrations. We believe the focus at the Olympic Games must remain on athletes’ performances, sport and the international unity and harmony that the Olympic Movement seeks to advance.

Examples of what would constitute a protest include displaying any political messaging, including signs or armbands; gestures of a political nature, like a hand gesture or kneeling; and refusal to follow the Ceremonies protocol.

This said the IOC doesn't care what an athlete says or does in other venues -

There are already multiple opportunities at Games time for athletes to fully and openly express their views, including in official press conferences, through social and traditional media, and at mixed zones in competition venues. In non-Olympic venues, there are no restrictions.
 
 
 
Kavika
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11.3.3  Kavika   replied to  evilgenius @11.3.2    one month ago

So does rule 50 hold since the committee changed its rules. If rule 50 does hold then will she be banned or put on probation?

 
 
 
evilgenius
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11.3.4  evilgenius  replied to  Kavika @11.3.3    one month ago
So does rule 50 hold since the committee changed its rules.

The IOC and the USOPC are 2 separate organizations. Ms Berry was well within the rules to protest at the trials run by the USOPC.

If rule 50 does hold then will she be banned or put on probation?

Rule 50 will apply during the upcoming Tokyo games. We'll see how Ms Berry and other athletes conduct themselves in Tokyo later next month. If any break the rule  they likely accept the consequences of their actions. The IOC has been very vocal this year on the issue.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.3.5  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @11.3.1    one month ago

Even if it weren’t a rule at the Olympics - as evil outlined here - I think there is a moral component that transcends the rule book. If some person or organization makes it possible for you to pursue your dream, isn’t it bullshit to use that opportunity to protest them?

I imagine an analogy where I need a place to stay and you invite me to live in your house. Then I spend all my time there telling you what’s wrong with you. It just doesn’t seem right.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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11.3.6  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @11.3.5    one month ago
I think there is a moral component that transcends the rule book.

This is a subjective statement. I'm sure that Ms Berry would argue she has a moral imperative to use her standing to do as she did. There is no objectively correct answer here.

If some person or organization makes it possible for you to pursue your dream, isn’t it bullshit to use that opportunity to protest them?

She's protesting racism. Not protesting the United States Olympic and Paralympic Committee or the International Olympic Committee. The USOPC is an a non-profit 501(c)(3) group that gets funding from individual and businesses and does NOT receive funding directly from the government. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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11.3.7  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @11.3.5    one month ago

She isn't protesting the Olympics, the IOC, or any other governing body. She is protesting racism.

Simple as that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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11.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @11.3.5    one month ago

That's just foolish

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.3.9  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @11.3.7    one month ago
She is protesting racism.

If she wants to do that, I’d be glad to join her, but that’s not what she’s doing. She’s objecting to the flag and anthem. The flag is not racist. The anthem is not racist. Neither is the country they represent. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.3.10  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @11.3.8    one month ago

Forgive me, but I don’t trust or rely upon your judgment and your mere declaration is not persuasive.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11.3.11  Tacos!  replied to  evilgenius @11.3.6    one month ago
She's protesting racism.

I protest racism myself and I encourage others to do likewise. I manage to do it without disrespecting the flag or the anthem or by treating them as symbols of racism.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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11.3.12  evilgenius  replied to  Tacos! @11.3.11    one month ago
I manage to do it without disrespecting the flag or the anthem or by treating them as symbols of racism.

That is your right. I respect that the same as I respect others who kneel, march or preform other non-violent forms of civil protest. Any particular form of protest doesn't change my feelings towards the country, flag, LEOs or military or anything else. There are causes I sympathize with where I don't agree with the form protesters are taking and vise versa.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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11.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @11.3.10    one month ago

Right back at ya!

 
 
 
Kavika
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12  Kavika     one month ago

So all the commotion about her behavior recently means nothing. She will be going to the Olympics and her behavior there is determine her fate.

 
 
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