Biden polls horribly on his handling of rising crime

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  62 comments

By:   tiger (Fox News)

Biden polls horribly on his handling of rising crime
Americans are giving President Biden dismal ratings on his handling of rising crime, a new poll found.

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Americans are giving President Biden dismal ratings on his handling of rising crime, a new poll found.

The ABC News/Washington Post poll released Friday morning revealed that just 38 percent of Americans approve of the 46th commander-in-chief's response to recent crime spikes nationwide.

On the other side, 48 percent said they disapproved.

As crime rates have continued to surge, lawmakers have been quick to point fingers to avoid their party taking blame.

Republicans have largely argued that Democrats' efforts to defund the police, remove qualified immunity for police officers and introduce cashless bail have all contributed to the budding crisis.

Democrats, meanwhile, have blamed guns and economic hardship following the pandemic.

In New York, state officials have blamed a surge in shootings on gun trafficking from other parts of the country, largely ignoring the impact of bail reform on the state.

Murders increased by about 25 percent nationwide in 2020. As of late May, New York City had 17.4 percent more murders, 73 percent more shootings and 24.9 percent more car thefts than at the same point in May 2020.

The ABC/WaPo poll found that Americans were divided almost evenly on which party to trust to combat crime, with Republicans beating Democrats 36 to 35 percent, respectively.

Twenty percent said that they did not trust either party to handle the issue.

The poll also revealed that the number of Americans who saw crime as an extremely serious problem was at a 20-year high of 28 percent.

That number expands to 59 percent when those who called it very serious — as opposed to extremely — are added to the tally.

As for solutions, 75 percent of poll participants said that increasing funding for economic opportunities in poorer area would reduce crime, while 65 percent said using social workers to help police would make a difference.

Fifty-five percent pointed to increasing police funding as a solution, 51 percent said stricter enforcement of current gun laws and 46 percent said stricter gun laws.

Reps for President Biden did not immediately respond to The Post's request for comment on the poll findings.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki has repeatedly asserted in recent weeks that crime increased "18 months" ago — despite the fact that side-by-side comparisons of the first five months of 2020 and 2021 demonstrate a significant jump in murders and car thefts.

Biden faces a political minefield on the issue of crime, especially ahead of the 2022 midterms.

Liberal and conservative pundits alike have been warning that soaring crime could wreck Democratic political fortunes, and potentially return former President Donald Trump to the White House.

Further complicating matters, Biden — once infamous for pushing or authoring laws in the 1980s and '90s that disproportionately jailed blacks and sent some people to jail for life for marijuana — cannot risk alienating left-wing advocates who support the defund movement.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

What a shock!  Emasculating and defunding police departments makes the nation unsafe! Setting criminals free makes the nation unsafe! Evidently our ruling class does not know this or they didn't care. They care now because the thought of losing the congress and eventually the White House has finally entered their brainwashed brains. 

Let's see where we stand:
Joe Biden was used to oust Donald Trump from the White House. Deep down, those who used him didn't really care if he dropped dead the day after he was inaugurated. They needed to remove Trump! Biden has had issues as president and his biggest problem is standing up to/serving the extreme left, which is obviously in control of this county. His ability to endure the rigors of the office is another question.

Then there is Harris. She was chosen simply for being female & for being Black. She now seems inadequate for the position of VP and what is more troubling is that her staff is bailing out. It may also be that democrats are nervous about a recent poll showing her losing to Donald Trump.



Not only is the face of the administration weak and easily led, but those who are are actively running the administration have bitten off more they can chew. The issue of crime will now be a huge thorn for the democrats as will the self created problems of open borders, rising inflation and attempts at indoctrinating young children and the military.

They did it all in the name of ideology. It's time for them to reap what they sowed.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago
What a shock!  Emasculating and defunding police departments makes the nation unsafe! Setting criminals free makes the nation unsafe!

There is NO data in the poll that your seed cites to support your proclamations Vic. NONE. 

Oh and BTFW, the methodology of the poll does NOT ensure that those surveyed were Americans as your seed claims. What a shock that Fox would misrepresent the facts...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @1.1    4 weeks ago
There is NO data in the poll that your seed cites to support your proclamations Vic. NONE. 

Jeez, Dulay! Do you expect special treatment? [deleted]

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.1    4 weeks ago
Jeez, Dulay! Do you expect special treatment?

No Bob, I fully expect equal treatment from Vic, which is to say, no acknowledgement from Vic that his posit is baseless. 

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Bob Nelson
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1.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

oh... 

sorry...    jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.4  cjcold  replied to  Dulay @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

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Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago
Let's see where we stand:

Let's DO and let's actually base it on the data in the poll you hang your hat on Vic, shall we?

10. In the United States, do you think (all people receive equal treatment regardless)
of their race or ethnicity, or do you think (some people experience discrimination on
the basis) of their race or ethnicity? 

76-86 of adults polled say that some experience discrimination based on race and ethnicity

15. Do you think [ITEM] would reduce the amount of violent crime in this country, or
not? (IF YES) Would it reduce crime a lot, or just somewhat?

Increasing funding for police departments 55%

Using social workers to help police defuse situations with people having emotional problems 65%

Increasing funding to build economic opportunities in poor communities 75%

So based on the standard set by YOUR seed, which claims that a 10% polling difference is 'horrible', increasing funding for the police polling TWICE as 'horrible' as opportunities in poor communities. 

Oh and I'll just pass on this little data gem from the poll:

16. Which of these do you think is more important: passing new laws making it (easier
for people to vote lawfully), or passing new laws making it (harder for people to vote
fraudulently?
 

Easier to vote lawfully - 62%

Harder to vote fraudulently - 30%

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @1.2    4 weeks ago
76-86 of adults polled say that some experience discrimination based on race and ethnicity

What does that have to do with crime?

Easier to vote lawfully - 62% Harder to vote fraudulently - 30%

What does that have to do with crime?

Throwing around factoids that are unrelated to crime doesn't make a cogent argument about crime.

Increasing funding for police departments 55%

Using social workers to help police defuse situations with people having emotional problems 65%

Increasing funding to build economic opportunities in poor communities 75%

So based on the standard set by YOUR seed, which claims that a 10% polling difference is 'horrible', increasing funding for the police polling TWICE as 'horrible' as opportunities in poor communities. 

Those factoids are related to crime.  But those factoids support an argument that crime is local which means Big Government solutions won't be very effective.  Local police departments are the best response to crime using methods suitable for local conditions.

The idea of including 'social workers' in policing is an outgrowth of Joe Biden's 1994 crime bill that included drug courts.  And both sound like good ideas.  The problem is that both ideas are based upon academic theories that weren't empirically tested and demonstrated.  There wasn't any follow up to adjust the academic theories based upon real world application.  National crime laws were enacted based upon untested academic theories and political victory was declared.  Political attention drifted away from crime onto other issues.

The national political desire is to impose quick, easy fixes and move on.  But a one-size-fits-all approach cannot work because crime is influenced by local conditions.  And conditions in all localities are not the same.  The most politically convenient solution may actually make things worse.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.1    4 weeks ago
What does that have to do with crime Throwing around factoids that are unrelated to crime doesn't make a cogent argument about crime.

The seed is about Biden's poll numbers. Try to keep up. 

Oh and BTFW, Vic's 'Let's see where we stand' comment doesn't have a fucking thing to do with crime either. 

Those factoids are related to crime.

I didn't make up the questions Nerm. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2  Bob Nelson    4 weeks ago

One small problem...

Crime is not rising... 

... except on Fox. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    4 weeks ago

LMAO!  That's a good one.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.1.1  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

It certainly is a stupid one. As stupid as saying filling a vacant seat is court packing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
As stupid as saying filling a vacant seat is court packing.

But creating 7 or 8 new SCOTUS Justices would be relevant.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

But creating 7 or 8 new SCOTUS Justices would be relevant.

To bad nobody, with any such authority, is advocating that.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

Just because it's not been brought to the floor for a vote doesn't mean there are not people in authority who are advocating for just such action.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
Just because it's not been brought to the floor for a vote doesn't mean there are not people in authority who are advocating for just such action.

So just because nobody is saying it doesn't mean nobody is saying it????

WOW, that is some spinning...

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
Just because it's not been brought to the floor for a vote doesn't mean there are not people in authority who are advocating for just such action.
So just because nobody is saying it doesn't mean nobody is saying it????

speaking of spin,  how in the hell did  you get your statement out of what I said?  Read the link,  it shows who is advocating for such an action by name, it also shows that Pelosi refused to bring it to a vote on the floor. The link directly refutes  your commend in 2.1.3 that nobody in authority is advocating for such action as the usatoday link shows who is being the bill that was submitted to increase the size of the court. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
it shows who is advocating for such an action by name

Have you even bothered to read up on this thread?  Vic made the statement, "But creating 7 or 8 new SCOTUS Justices would be relevant."

Your link does not say anything about adding 7 or 8 new justices, and you have failed to show that anyone is advocating for 7 or 8 new justices.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

If you haven't kept up with the news, some Democrats have suggested packing the court.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

Ok,  got it.   Because my link does not directly state the proposed bill is to expand the court by 7 or 8 new justices  you want to just ignore it. You are playing word games...  The proposed bill would expand the court from it's current 9 justices to 13.  I guess according to your logic as it's only an increase of 4 it can be ignored.  I guess court packing by adding 4 new justices would be ok then.  I happen to think both actions are wrong. In my mind, there's no difference between stealing one dollar and stealing a million dollars,  it's still theft regardless of  how much. But you enjoy your games of sophistry and don't forget to pick up your participation trophy on the way out.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
If you haven't kept up with the news, some Democrats have suggested packing the court.

Vic said 7 to 8 new justices.  Show me who said that, or denounce the claim as I have and request Vic retract the claim.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
Because my link does not directly state the proposed bill is to expand the court by 7 or 8 new justices  you want to just ignore it.

No, again!!  Because your link does not directly address Vic's claim of 7 to 8 new justices, it does not address the topic of this comment thread.  Stop trying to deflect, and stay on topic.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2  Ronin2  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    4 weeks ago

Despite every statistic that says it is.jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    4 weeks ago

No, actually. 

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.2  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2    4 weeks ago

Yes, crime did spiked, under Trump, due to all of the Covid related early releases from jails and prisons. That plus some civil unrest and all of the Capital insurrection arrests. With people going back to work and jobs picking up crime rates are already going way down. Outside the conservative Fox New AM talk radio bubble everybody knows this. Life has returned to the pro-Trump pre-Covid normal. We are at peace, returned to prosperity and getting better every day. Haw can you not be onboard with that?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

Same stupidity different damn day. So defund the police in places like Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Portland, Seattle, NY, and other liberal bastions of stupidity had nothing to do with the rising crimes rates? Those self same damn places not enforcing the damn laws had nothing to do with the spike in crime either? Damn must be nice to be liberal and completely oblivious to reality. As for releasing damn criminals from prison, the feds didn't do that- that was done at the state and local level; by the same morons preaching defund the police.

With people going back to work and jobs picking up crime rates are already going way down. Outside the conservative Fox New AM talk radio bubble everybody knows this. Life has returned to the pro-Trump pre-Covid normal. We are at peace, returned to prosperity and getting better every day. Haw can you not be onboard with that?

What people going back to work? The unemployment rate was 5.9% for June. That is with employers desperately seeking workers. Seems Democrats don't understand that paying people to not work doesn't do anything to encourage them to go back to work. But hell, they are already talking about another round of Covid relief. Seems that Democrats don't give a shit about the economy. You had better tell CNN that the crime rate is going down; because they don't think so either.

Senate Democrats say they want $350 billion for minority communities in the next stimulus bill to address needs ranging from child care to infrastructure, adding a new demand as lawmakers prepare to start crafting another massive virus relief package.

Life isn't returning to normal, that is the point. If we were at peace the damn leftist Brown Shirts wouldn't still be rioting. Prosperity for whom? The same damn one percent that always make out no matter who is in charge? Getting better every day? Despite every last damn peace of evidence. Open borders with massive spikes in illegal immigration, rising crime, rising inflation, rising fuel prices, new strains of Covid 19 entering the US, and Biden poking the Russian bear as fast and as hard as he can after blundering by ending sanctions against the Russian pipeline to the EU w/o getting one damn thing in return.

Get on board with it? How can the damn TDS driven left be so damn deaf, dumb, and blind!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

Okay, should we ALL pretend that violent crimes are NOT increasing in major cities around the US?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

Ah... you mean gun crimes are increasing

... 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Ender  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

I thought I heard there was another shooting at a mall. It is getting to the point all of these shootings don't even have enough interest to hold up national headlines anymore. They are becoming so frequent.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.5    4 weeks ago

yes, violent gun crimes are increasing.

And yet, some Democrats are interested in defunding police and "reimagining" them.

I like it, because it is a losing strategy.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
2.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.7    4 weeks ago
yes, violent gun crimes are increasing.

fewer guns might bring crime down 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.9  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

How is taking guns away from law abiding citizens going to reduce the number of crimes by non law abiding people here?  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.9    4 weeks ago

Law abiding like Kyle Rittenhouse? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.8    4 weeks ago
fewer guns might bring crime down 

Possibly, but no gun commits a crime, so I don't think it would be in any way significant.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
2.2.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.11    4 weeks ago

Jeez... a blast from the past! 

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I haven't seen that in a long long time. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

When it changes, do let me know!

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see it!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Bob Nelson @2    4 weeks ago

Then why is Biden proposing radical new gun grabbing initiatives to combat something only being reported about on Fox?  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3    4 weeks ago

He isn't. You're lying. Saying stuff that's not true. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

In addition to their turning a blind eye to crime, they are losing voters because of their support of illegal immigration, and 'gender identity' stupidity

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @3    4 weeks ago
In addition to their turning a blind eye to crime, they are losing voters because of their support of illegal immigration, and 'gender identity' stupidity

The stupidity is making that obtuse claim Greg. Biden's positions have NOT changed on those issues. Those who voted for him in 2020 aren't going to change their minds because he followed through with his proposals. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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4  Colour Me Free    4 weeks ago

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone June 27-30, 2021, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 907 adults. Results have a margin of   sampling error   of 3.5 percentage points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 30-24-37%, Democrats-Republicans-independents.

The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, New York, with sampling and data collection by Abt Associates of Rockville, Maryland. See details on the survey's methodology   here .

Biden is rated poorly on handling crime; alternative approaches win broad favor: POLL - ABC News (go.com)
 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @4    4 weeks ago

You and I have known each other for what, 192 years and we have been watching the poll watchers for 217 of those years. We both know that partisan sides will cherry pick them to death to turn some inane point into a partisan cudgel. An ABC/Washington Post Poll goes through the FOX sieve first and followed soon after by the Western Journal's grinder and then ends up here as wallpaper paste ... tasty to some, tasteless to others. Pablum is the new placebo.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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4.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @4.1    4 weeks ago
tasty to some, tasteless to others. Pablum is the new placebo.

Never ceases to amaze me that people actually read polls .... 907 'adults' is some how an accurate sampling?   I am sure I have told you in the past that I ran the polling for Ross Perot '92 .. HA! what a joke, I am out of the building for a meeting .. walk back in and find people sitting at a table filling out the questionnaires .. not a single person working the phones! 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Ender  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

I have read too many testimonials about people that intentionally lie to pollsters.

Well, a few.  Haha

Still makes me wonder how many people actually tell the truth.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    4 weeks ago
Still makes me wonder how many people actually tell the truth.

I am guessing that it would have to do with how deep ones convictions on the subject are ..?   I am less worried about lieing by an individual on the phone - than I am about a pollster completely the questions... 

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.1    4 weeks ago
907 'adults' is some how an accurate sampling?

One of those adults would be from Wyoming ... so yes and no stretched with a maybe.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @4.1.4    4 weeks ago

One adult in Wyoming is probably at least representative of the population of that state ... 906 remaining adults are the ones I am worried about .. : )

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
4.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.5    4 weeks ago

Different landscapes make for different people. Wyoming is the Misfits State.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Hallux @4.1    4 weeks ago

Polling works, and 907 people is a sufficient if not totally desirable sample. The problem with accuracy in polling is in finding a representative group to poll. If you are polling as to whether or not people like apple pie, probably any sample will do. If you are polling about political candidates or political issues you have to have a representative amount of people across the spectrum or you may end up with a faulty result.  

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.8  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @4.1.6    4 weeks ago
. Wyoming is the Misfits State.

Nah .. it is just a laid back place to live .. Montana is teetering on the edge of losing that laid back life style since the rich and famous decided to invade .. Wyoming may be the lone survivor from the (D) migration  : )

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.9  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.8    4 weeks ago
Wyoming may be the lone survivor from the (D) migration  : )

debateable most definitely ,  they still come , but its usually the weather and road closures that drive them back out , that and the fact those already here , dont care what they think. without that audience , they simply screeching into the wind.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.10  Colour Me Free  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.9    4 weeks ago

Kanye West must be a unique addition .. he seems to embrace the life style a wee bit

I wish Wyoming the best  .. I do not know why individuals leave the big city life - only to bring that concrete jungle mentality with them ..?  When one moves to a small town, one must embrace said small town way of life ..

I keep telling people 'Montana sucks .. now go home and tell all your friends...'   There was a great website that Hallux found .. but it is now shutdown : (...                   but I have the T shirt...

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.8    4 weeks ago

(D) is for Delaware, right? Not to worry, soon enough all the homes they bought over the past year will be back on the market once they get a load of Saskatchewan.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.12  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.10    4 weeks ago
Kanye West must be a unique addition .. he seems to embrace the life style a wee bit

and jeffree star in casper , doesnt really bother people though , only ones it does bother are the habitual complainers , those that would complain about anything simply to complain. most people here just want to be left alone . my t shirt is a new england down east saying , you cant get there from here....

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @4.1.11    4 weeks ago
(D) is for Delaware, right?

Of course .. why would politics be a part of migration .. ?

soon enough all the homes they bought over the past year will be back on the market once they get a load of Saskatchewan.

from your lips to the great woman in the sky!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.12    4 weeks ago
you cant get there from here....

Nice ...!

I drove through the wonderland know as Wyoming in February many years ago .. wind was howling, roads were icee, but the drifts were insanely beautiful .. Tetons are amazing - outside of Montana, Wyoming is the place to be for us common folks  : )

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.1.15  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.14    4 weeks ago

political saying here.... wyoming will send another democrat to washington as soon as the wind stops blowing them all out of state and we dont have to import them  last time they did send one was in the 70s .

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
4.1.16  Colour Me Free  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.15    4 weeks ago

Haha....

People do not understand what a conservative life style is Mark - Wyoming gets a bum rap [as does Montana] individuals whining that we get the representation in DC that we have.  Guess they forget that a Republic is about the individuals right of representation ... Cows are people to  : )

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.1.17  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Colour Me Free @4.1.16    4 weeks ago

shhhhh ( looks left then right) around here im considered a liberal......must be that down east boston thing.....

 
 
 
cjcold
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5  cjcold    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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5.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @5    4 weeks ago
As the representatives of far right wing fascism here; they get what they get. 

I bet the folks you THINK are fascists aren't any more fascist than you are.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    4 weeks ago

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