Crisis in Afghanistan, US Marines called in!
"This is all melting down in a short period of time," one U.S. military officer described what is happening right now in Afghanistan.
The US Embassy in Kabul needs to be evacuated. The Taliban is taking the country quickly. Government forces may have to be pulled back to defend Kabul.
"Earlier today, Afghanistan’s third largest city, Herat, located on the border with Iran, fell to the Taliban. The Taliban have also claimed to have seized Kandahar City, the country’s second largest and the Taliban’s spiritual home.
With no U.S. military forces on the ground and very little assets overhead, the Pentagon cannot confirm Kandahar has fallen but officials acknowledge "it doesn’t look good."
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-military-help-evacuate-americans-embassy-kabul
So now the Marines are being sent in to help get our people get out.
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Joe, youv'e done it again.
We'll add it to the resume.
Biden has a well-known, abysmal foreign policy track record. Wasn't he the vice-president who advised his boss to NOT take out OBL in 2011? Interestingly enough, articles that support this have now been scrubbed from the Internet. Hmmm.
"In a memoir, Gates alleged Biden had been "wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."
Gates said he stood by that statement when asked about it during a May 2019 interview with CBS’ Face the Nation .
"I think I stand by that statement," Gates said. "He and I agreed on some key issues in the Obama administration. We disagreed significantly on Afghanistan and some other issues. I think that the vice president had some issues with the military. So how he would get along with the senior military, and what that relationship would be, I just -- I think, it -- it would depend on the personalities at the time."
Gates was correct about Biden's foreign policy stupidity. Biden handed Afghanistan to the Taliban after 20 years of our blood and treasure. Through Biden's policies, the Taliban is now immolating women and forcing 15-year-old Afghan girls to marry Taliban terrorists and become their sex slaves.
And ... Biden has now opened the doors for Islamic terrorists to AGAIN attack the USA on OUR soil. Have a good summer vacay while your open borders bring in more Covid and other contagious diseases and Afghanistan goes to Islamic terrorists, Joe.
We are only 8 months in.
<sigh> Don't remind me.
Maybe in 2022 we can start thinking about the 25th Amendment as it pertains to Biden.
On what grounds?
First & foremost: We have a president who urges Americans to get vaccinated, while inviting people into the country, many of whom who he knows are infected.
Second: Why would he be doing such a terrible thing? There can only be a few possibilities. Either he is feeble minded and bowing to the extreme left in his party or he simply wants to turn Texas blue. either way he is not performing the duties of his office.
Of couse, you knew I said that (post 1.1.5) tounge in cheek, but you pounced on it because you'd rather argue that than the topic above which involves Biden's lack of preparation for an orderly withdrawl from Afghanistan.
The radical Pelosi and a few at the FBI once considered using the 25th Amendment on a President who protected America. I guess they never thought they would one day have to use the likes of Joe Biden to win the White House.
For the record:
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
"unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" is a good fit for Joe Biden.
I'd wager a guess that the process is already in the works.
So in other words, you only have your own biased opinions and no actual charges that would warrant impeachment, much less removal from office under the constitution. Got it
It was Trump's duty to prepare for the orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan since HE was the one that signed an agreement in Feb. 2020 to do so within 14 months. Biden actually kept troops in Afghanistan 3 months longer.
It's pretty hypocritical to decry Biden's policy reversals away from Trump's and at the same time decry Biden upholding Trump's agreement to withdraw.
Ya think "President Harris" would be better?
This country is being run by criminals = pick your poison carefully.
It used to be run by criminals.
We voted trumpturd/aka The Turd Reich - OUT BY OVER SEVEN MILLION VOTES.
Saigon all over again! Thanks again Mr President!
It is the last thing we need is to give these little half ass regimes and terror groups the idea that we can be simply waited out!
And what is your suggestion Doc? stay the course for another 20 years?
Both Iraq and Afghanistan were huge fuck ups on our part, and we should never become involved in either country. After 9/11 in four month we did everything we could do there but 20 years later, trillions of dollars and thousands of lives we were still there.
When the fuck will we learn to keep our noses out of other countries.
No, I am not saying we stay another 20 years. I agree we never should have gone into Iraq. Going after Bin Laden was the right thing to do, but we should have left when getting him was accomplished. But typical of previous conflicts, there was no clearly defined exit strategy. For better or worse, Trump set a planned exit timeframe that we should have stuck to. Biden came into office and totally screwed up the timeframe.
If I remember correctly Trump made a deal with the Taliban and did not involve the Afghan government or our allies. The deal was made in Feb of 2020 and he said all US troops would be out by May of 2020.
If my memory is correct that doesn't sound like much of an exit strategy.
Even if my time frames are off what the hell difference would it have made what the time or exit strategy was, the end result would be the same.
You are probably correct.
You think Trump really would have let the Taliban attack US forces and personnel? What the hell gave you that idea? Trump would have bombed them back into Pakistan. Trump cared about his rep- especially with those that supported him and his policies.
This is Biden's fuck up; stop trying to deflect to Trump. He had a time to plan an exit strategy; and this is the best he could come up with.
Oh, and better check your dates- you are off by at least a year.
So Biden has had ample time to renegotiate a new deal with the Taliban- but didn't even bother to make the effort. He has had ample time to plan a withdrawal. If Biden didn't like the deal at all- and thought the Taliban were breaking it- he could have sent US troops back in and reasserted our presence until things stabilized. But Biden got stuck in the too many options process. Clean and decisive leadership isn't his strong suite. So we have this fuck up where we have to send in the Marines to withdraw US personnel due to Biden's for shit planning and decision making.
"But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!" Will the left and Democrats ever take responsibility for any of their fuck ups?
Trump had the duty to 'plan the withdrawal' since HE is the one that signed the deal. Where was the Trump's DOD plan? Why wasn't the State Dept. already working on getting visas for interpreters and where was their plan of action for protecting the embassy?
WTF was Trump WAITING for? After all, Trump had 'ample time to plan the withdrawal' and he 'didn't bother to make the effort'.
This is a case of Trump dumping HIS responsibilites on the next guy.
Hello Ed .. I missed you again .. : )
Trump did sign a 'peace deal' with the Taliban .. which of course the Taliban has used to line a birdcage ... I suppose taking Afghanistan by force could be seen as 'starting talks' with the Afghan government....?
Good afternoon dear lady. Excellent post. The Taliban are proving they are not even remotely interested in peace or a power sharing with the Afghan government. The Taliban want the whole enchilada for themselves and nothing less. People like them only understand one thing and that is sheer brute force. Something the Biden administration seems totally unwilling to engage in.
Hello my friend .. hope you are well ..
I cannot even pretend to know what Biden is thinking .. he is the kinder gentler mourner in chief ...?
I know we have to leave Afghanistan .. it is time - yet I have a (not so) lil man turning 21 this coming week .. he knows nothing about living in an America pre 9/11 .. as there is a whole generation of women and men in Afghanistan that only know a life post Taliban. The US 'liberates' then leaves and plunges the nation back into the dark ages, it is Afghan's war now kind of crap like what happened in Iraq.
Trump signed a 'peace deal' with the Taliban, which was violated by said Taliban... I am told that the US's word would mean nothing is 'we' do not keep up our end of the agreement .. the US pulls a vanishing act leaving a base wide open - they cut the electricity on the way out the door! What good is our word .. if 'we' cannot be trusted to not leave under the cover of darkness....
'We' should have trained the women of Afghanistan to fight .. ! the Taliban would not stand a chance!
We should have gotten our civilians out before pulling the military out
Only Biden could be stupid enough not to do that.
And what would you have done differently lol. For real, what is YOUR grand foreign policy plan that solves “Afghanistan”. Such as it is.
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another republican war, another botched republican withdrawal that a democrat POTUS gets to take the blame for.
I think he earned it
Amen!
Trump had plenty of time to withdraw the American troops.
It didnt mean anything to him because there was nothing in it for him. They arent building luxury overpriced condos in Afghanistan any time soon , are they?
Both Obama and Trump wanted to do it. One can only guess at the resistance they got from the pentagon.
However Joe Biden told us the following:
"The U.S.-supported Afghan security forces, he added, are 300,000 people strong and are “as well-equipped as any army in the world.” And with an air force against “something like 75,000 Taliban,” he added, “it is not inevitable” that the Afghan government will collapse as the South Vietnamese government did."
I know that some are concerned with what a president says more than policy.
Biden owns it.
Unfortunately he gets to own 20 years of failure.
Was it a failure? It was to prevent terror attacks in the US.
I have no problem with leaving after 20 years, but Biden should have given the Afghan defenders a bit of support as we withdrew. The Taliban is totally exposed in the field. Where are the US air strikes? Where are the drones that could provide intell? Pakistan is supporting the Taliban so why is the US still giving aid to Pakistan.
Biden gets the blame for the inept way the withdrawl was conducted and rightly so.
if the biden administration really wanted to destroy afghanistan they'd deport trump over there.
Depends.
But what did it creep into? Nation building.
With you 10000000% there, and fuck him and the admin for not doing more. They should have been evacuating those people weeks ago when we knew we were going to be leaving. US military should have been rolling up to their houses, grabbing them and their families and saying "hey, we gotta go and we gotta go NOW".
And we need to still provide air support.
Nukes.
The entire operation was inept, but yes, he does get the blame for a lot of our partners getting killed when all is said and done. I agree with that.
Obama had 8 years to withdraw US troops. Instead he had two US troop surges in Afghanistan; and tied the US to a weak corrupt Afghanistan government with his POS SOFA agreement.
But, what about January '16 to January '21?
Who made the accord to withdraw US troops? It sure as hell wasn't any Democrat; most of whom criticized Trump for negotiating with the Taliban. Of course they criticized him when he canceled talks as well. It is easy to be a Democrat- whatever position Trump takes be automatically against it.
Another but Trumper that ignores reality.
Deflect to Trump is all the left has in defense of the worthless POS they put in the White House.
Yes.
No, it was in response to terror attacks.
Support? They've had 20 years of support.
Ask the Pentagon.
While others get the blame for getting us and keeping us there all these years.
Of course it was a failure; because we didn't learn one damn thing from Russia's failed attempt at nation building in Afghanistan. Also, people seem to forget that Bush Jr never wanted to get involved with nation building; he wanted to go it alone in Afghanistan doing search and destroy only. You can thank our not so great NATO allies for forcing him (though he is still to blame for letting them) into UN Security Council Resolution after Resolution on nation building in Afghanistan.
Probably the second stupidest response you have in this post. Yes, going into Afghanistan was in response to 9/11. Removing the Taliban from power; and degrading Al Qaeda's ability to conduct terror strikes were the goals. Neither were accomplished because we were too damn busy trying to nation build.
The Afghan government was going to fail no matter what- we could have stayed there 20 more years and it would still fail the second we left. Every single president from Bush Jr, to Obama, to Trump, to Biden is to blame for our troops being there for so long. No one is blaming Biden for the Afghan government falling. He is being blamed for not propping it up long enough for all US personnel to get the hell out!
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner for the dumbest response. The Pentagon can only make suggestions to the President on courses of action to take. The President has to authorize it. Without Biden's authorization the Pentagon can't do a damn thing! Of course Biden sent in the marines and went on vacation! Imagine Trump trying to pull that shit, the media would have howled- along with the Democrats in Congress. They would have impeached him for a third time!
None of which excuses Biden's fucked up withdrawal plan in the slightest. Of course you have to find his sorry ass in order to make him take responsibility for actions.
True enough.
Joe is the Criminal In Charge
Didn't know Obama was a Repub.
Like what did they think would happen?
Always amazes me.
Since Alexander The Great Afghanistan has always been known for breaking its invaders. The Soviet's War in Afghanistan bankrupted the USSR. There was never any chance of the US actually prevailing there. It was a lost cause from the get go. The only good option for sane Afghanis is to get out. How many refugees from Afghanistan are you willing to abide?
Why isn't everyone already out?
We should have been totally cleaned out 2 or 3 years ago. Honestly, who didn’t see this coming?
Only two or three years? Try we never should have started nation building there to begin with!
We could have gone search and destroy from the start; and played wack-a-terrorist for as long as needed after that. It would have cost us far less in US servicemen lives; money; resources; and status as a nation.
This just in:
Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called out the Biden administration for what he described as poor planning and poor execution of a U.S. troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, which may lead to the nation's capital of Kabul to fall to Taliban insurgents within the next three months .
Pompeo , who helped plan and execute the early days of the shift toward withdrawing troops from the country after 20 years there, told "The Story" he and President Donald Trump made sure there were multiple, enforceable "models of deterrence" that would prevent the potential disaster that may await the current White House.
"[It] looks like they have not been able to execute this," he said. "Strategy depends on planning and execution. Looks like there’s a bit of panic. I hope that they have the right number of folks and get them there quickly. I hope we can protect Americans in the way the Trump administration had every intention of doing."
"If you threatened an American, if you scared an American, and certainly if you hurt an American, we would bring all American power to bear to make sure that we went to your village, to your house," he recalled Baradar being told.
"We were very clear about the things that we were prepared to do to protect American lives. Since we began those negotiations in the beginning of 2020, there wasn’t a single American killed by the Taliban when that was going on. We had established a deterrence model. I hope we haven’t lost that for the Americans still on the ground there in Kabul."
Pompeo said the true concern in Afghanistan is not the Taliban per se. The primary fear is a return of Taliban rule will return Afghanistan to being a likely "hotbed" for Al Qaeda and ISIS, as it was before September 11, 2001.
"The threat is not from the Taliban. It’s from the fact that the Taliban will play footsies with terrorists like Al Qaeda," he said, adding that to date, there are an estimated 200 or fewer Al Qaeda terrorists in the country.
"President Trump made very to me, the State Department that our mission set was clear. We wanted to make sure that we always had the conditions-based analysis that would protect America, at least reduce the risk that there could be an attack from that place," he said.
Earlier Thursday, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama , warned that Biden is risking a "Saigon moment" – in reference to the U.S. departing Vietnam as the North Vietnamese Army rolled onto the Presidential Palace property on April 30, 1975.
"For months, I have pressed President Biden for a plan to avoid the very situation that is now happening in Afghanistan. Now, American lives are at risk because President Biden still doesn’t have a plan," Rogers said in a statement.
"Weeks ago, President Biden promised the American people that we would not have a Saigon moment in Afghanistan. Now, we are watching President Biden’s Saigon moment unfold before us."
A senior White House official told Fox News that Biden held a meeting about the move Wednesday night, tasking his principals, and then met with them again Thursday morning. The defense secretary and National Security Agency (NSA) also briefed Biden Thursday morning, and he gave the order. The president separately engaged the secretary of state to discuss diplomatic strategy, the official said.
And this:
President Joe Biden departed the White House for a vacation in Wilmington, Delaware as multiple crises escalated Thursday, most notably the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan that has forced the Pentagon to send troops to the country in a desperate attempt to help Americans there escape.
Get Americans and Afghans that helped us out, fuck the rest. I don't know why we stayed when we had been told for 20 years this was always going to be how it ended.
I was going to ask if the Afghans and their families who had assisted the Americans were going to be rescued by the Marines along with the Americans, or left there to be slaughtered.
Get those who aided us out, period. It is the only even remotely moral thing to do.
All those translators, whose lives are in danger, need to be gotten out YESTERDAY. All those who aided us, need to be out of there YESTERDAY.
As soon as we considered leaving we needed to start evacuating our informants, translators, and even those who housed us out of friendship.
ALL OF THEM, ASAP, PERIOD
Get our afghan partners out, nothing to discusss.
ASAP. Tessy. ASAP
That is a question for the Biden administration isn't it? He knew about the withdrawal deadline of May 1 2021 long before he took office- it was set Feb 2020.
There was a VISA plan in place to get those Afghans that aided us to the US; but they had to make it to Kabul to apply. With the Taliban controlling several major cities already; and roads into Kabul- it was making the journey near impossible.
Hopefully the marines being sent in will are there to withdraw all US personnel; including those Afghans that aided us. But Biden isn't very forthcoming with information is he?
Okay, I get where you are coming from. But how about I talk first?
I'm not disagreeing with you.
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WHAT 'vacation' Vic. Biden went to his home in Deleware for an overnight. He was there less than 24 hours.
Conversly, Trump spent WEEKS in Bedminster almost every August and not a peep out of you...
Wht I want to know is, sow many days so far has Biden spent playing golf?
We could only be so lucky. I think we should pay him to play golf and take Susan Rice with him.
What 'vacation' Vic?
The dumbass was originally going to Camp David for 5 days of vacation, but because Americans are pounding his dumbass for allowing the Taliban to essentially take over 2/3 of Afghanistan in just a few days, he, well, his handlers, not him, realized how much of a dumbass he looked like for leaving for vacation during a time of crisis, so his dumbass came back after 1 day.
I'm sure you know this, but spinning is far more important.
Very well done, Sir.
Most likely Susan Rice saw all the outrage and must have said Holy smoke, you better get back here and say what we tell you!
Biden went to Camp David for the weekend after he left his home in Delaware.
Oh and BTFW, going to Camp David isn't a 'vacation' bugsy, it's the President's country residence. Whenever Trump went to Camp David they called it a 'working weekend'.
Goose, gander.
I swear it gets so aggravating when some on here do nothing but change definitions to meet a narrative,
It must really suck to them that they know they are normally wrong, but insist on carrying on a "debate" that they lost their very first post.
Unfortunately my friend, having the last word means victory for some.
Sometimes it's better to let those few have the last word right away rather than going on with it day and night.
Yea I agree. Lastworditis is strong in some.
And look at it from the standpoint of the reader. How does it look when we keep covering the same points over and over? I learned that over at Newsvine when people insisted that the 2010 midterm wasn't that devastating for democrats in the House. If you recall Republicans gained 60 seats. (the biggest swing since 1948). You would be surprised at how many refused to admit it was a stunning defeat, or that it had anything to do with the Obamacare partisan vote.
Or how many times have we had to prove that there was no Russian collusion with the Trump admin, but yet, there are some here that continuously make that ASSumption.
Really sad some live this way.
Got anything better than a weak juvenile retort?
I just went through it the other day. I heard that same slop about Donald Trump Jr. meeting with Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, who supposedly had "ties to the Kremlin." Of course that little story never amounted to much, but there is somebody here who believes that was the proof of Trump colluding with "Russia."
The funny part is the details that surround that meeting, which was arranged by Veselnitskaya and now we are finding out that it may have been Fusion GPS that helped set it up.
And around & round it goes!
Hmmmmm.
Seems my 6.1.19 is correct...again.
Maybe CNN and MSDNC told you the wrong talking points.
Joe Biden Heads to Camp David for Extended Five-Day Vacation as Afghanistan Falls Apart
President Joe Biden left his home in Delaware for the presidential retreat at Camp David on Friday, even as news spread of Afghanistan rapidly losing territory to the Taliban.
The White House announced that there were no public events scheduled while Biden resides at Camp David until Wednesday, August 18.
LEFT Delaware on Friday...no public events until Wednesday.
Simple math.
Friday 1 day
Saturday 1 day
Sunday 1 day
Monday 1 day
Tuesday 1 =1day.
1+1+1+1+1=5
Unless, of course, you use liberal common core, then it can be anything you want it to be.
Nicely played
Gotchya!!!
Lol.
Both you and bugsy can't hold an Ace of Diamonds, can you?
Which makes your 6.1.16 comment, where you stated:
TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Maybe Newmax and OAN told you the wrong talking points.
I'm sure you know this, but spinning is far more important.
Oh well if 'newsbinding' calls it a vacation, that settles it.../s
LOL. Touche.
Maybe you need to come up with your own thoughts.
BTFW. you asked Vic "what vacation" twice. I answered
Now you just mad cuz I showed you how wrong you are.
You're the one who insisted that Biden 'came back after 1 day', not I bugsy.
The question now is why was he spirited away when all of this broke out?
What were you trying to say????
What part of my comment puzzles you Vic?
I know, no need to admonish me.
No, not well done, not at all.
NO
Both Biden and psaki ran for the hills because they can't face the media's questions
I wonder who will be forced to take the heat instead of psaki
Maybe he got it all out of his system when he was VP?
Better question is how many days has he spent fucking this country up? The answer is all of them.
He is a fucking prick. This was going to be the situation, not matter what president, unless we occupied the country for a century like Germany or Japan. And even then it isn't really the same since those countries had at least flirted with (kind of) democratic governments
More than that, he's a pompous lying fucking prick.
Yes it was, but we should have know that and planned for a better departure. Trump is not president anymore. Biden has had ample time to plan this out; and this is the best he could come up with?
Pompeo may be a prick. But Biden is an incompetent fucking asshole that needs to be held absolutely responsible for this colossal fuck up! No more "But Trruuummmmppppps" allowed.
Potato.
Pompeo should have been concentrating on HIS job, getting visas for Afghans who assisted us and getting them evacuated instead of gameing "models of deterrence". THAT was the job of Trump's DOD. They failed too.
So Biden again takes no responsibility? How convenient. Of course Democrats never take responsibility for anything; so SSDD.
Your whataboutism is noted.
So is your hypocrisy.
But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!! is no longer a valid excuse for the current fuck up in chief.
You're conflating Pompeo and Trump's DOD with Trump, not I.
This was always going to be the result unless we stayed for 100 years and forcibly enacted a significant culture change.
I have said it before and I will say it again, this is not so much a country as it is an area that all the neighboring countries have decided "just isn't worth the effort."
This was ALWAYS a fool's errand.
It really looks to me like we largely wasted 20 years, billions of dollars and thousands of lives. I mean, we finally killed bin Laden. Great. But as for a long term solution? It looks like a waste. Clearly the non-Taliban part of Afghanistan is either unwilling or incapable of protecting itself in spite of two decades of help and training from the best fighting force in the world. It might be time to cut bait. Let the savages have that land. They want it more.
You got it.
We never should have gotten involved in nation building in Afghanistan to begin with! We learned nothing from Russian's failed attempt at nation building there. That is on Bush Jr being too weak of a leader; and allowing the US to be tied to UN Security Council Resolution after Resolution by our NATO allies. We never needed their help to handle Afghanistan. They turned what was going to be a search and destroy mission; into yet another failed attempt at nation building.
Afghanistan will go back to what it was before we came in. The Taliban will be strong enough to take the capital; but too weak remove the warlords that will retreat to their enclaves and continue running drugs and guns; and their slave trade. The Taliban will again find out it is "Heavy the head that wears the crown" in Afghanistan.
Lol, that was us. NATO didn't lead us into anything, that was the US of fucking A 100%. Do you seriously think NATO gives American commanders orders anywhere around the world? Shit, if Americans are involved the NATO Commander is an American. And that is an actual fact, American military personnel are only commanded by americans.
Yep.
The problem with places like Afghanistan is that the American people dont give a shit about them. When New York and the Pentagon were attacked we cared, but once that was resolved with bin Ladens death, no one cared.
Thats ok, we dont have to care about foreign countries unless they attack us, it is not an unreasonable position. But because we dont care as a people, the politicians dont know what to do.
I dont blame anyone for whats happening over there.
It would be nice if we could keep forces there to protect the human rights gains made by women and girls in that country, which are almost certainly going to be removed now, but I dont think there would ever be popular support for that in America.
We are just going to have to look away until this is over.
Oh well, now we can forget about the Kurds that were abandoned. /S
We are really developing a bad habit of that. God what we did to the Kurds was so fucked up. That will always bother me.
Please, which Kurds are you talking about- as there are 3 distinct factions.
We have not abandoned the Kurds in Iraq; the ones that fought with us against Saddam and ISIS/ISIL. I don't think we support them enough because we don't want to piss off the Shai Iraqi government that is loyal to Iran.
Now, if you are talking about the Syrian Kurds. We didn't abandon them. We expected France and Britain to take over in Syria once we departed; like they said they would. Of course that never happened.
Of course we are still in Syria; just with a much smaller foot print. The Syrian Kurds aligned themselves with the Syrian government and Russians- like they would have done from the start if we hadn't made the asinine move of entering Syria to begin with. Also, the Syrian Kurds are closely aligned with the Turkish Kurds- who are considered terrorists by Turkey. Better that we are not caught in the cross hairs between them.
Hopefully in time. Unless of course we want to see compilations of Saigon, Tehran, Mogadishu, and Benghazi all rolled into one.
Has taken, and in fact always had the country. All America and our allies did was disperse them into the countryside and Pakistan. They knew all they had to do was wait until we got sufficiently bored with protecting the Afghani people and left. But, when the Afghani people will not fight for themselves against their oppressors, there is no reason for America or any other country for that matter to help defend them.
"Government" forces were there for one reason and one reason only. To get paid. Their will to fight for their country and people extended no further than that. That is the one reason I always knew we would never succeed, like no other army has ever succeeded in conquering Afghanistan and bringing it into the current century. It is a tribal land and always has been with no central government and a land occupied by 'war lords' and tribal leaders.
Our initial action when we invaded was successful, well at least to a degree. We routed the Taliban and Al Qaida. We should have stopped there and not tried to nation build. Our military is very well trained and I will submit, the best in the world at going someplace to break things and kill the enemy. Once that is accomplished, they lack the skills to rebuild what they just destroyed. That's not their job and never should be.
Now comes Liz Cheney casting blame. Her daddy and Bush got us into this shithole country in the first place
I can understand the rational for the initial post 9/11 reaction, and in fact strongly supported it. However, once we went in and did what we do so well, that is breaking things and killing people, we should have packed our bags and left. The Taliban would have regained control and they might have actually had second thoughts about harboring the likes of Al Qaida again. They would basically have had control of the worlds opium production and could have made deals for the rare earths in the country.
We should have left a fleet offshore- not like the Taliban or Al Qaeda could stop us and played wack-a-terrorist every time they stuck their heads up. There was never any call for us to have a permanent ground presence.
SHELTER IN PLACE.
That's the order from the American Embassy in Kabul to all Americans in Afghanistan.
People in the embassy have been issued what personal protection equipment is available.
The American flag has been lowered at the Embassy.
There is purportedly fighting happening at the Kabul airport.
All other Western countries including Great Britain and Canada are attempting to evacuate their personnel.
Kuwait and Emirates airlines have stopped flying into Kabul so any and all evacuations will have to be accomplished by military airlift.
I fear for friends still there.
Taliban Pose In Kabul's Presidential Palace As Afghan Leader Flees Country:
Islamists Declare Islamic Emirate Amid Chaotic Scenes At Airport As Thousands Including British Ambassador Try To Get Out
And this from CNN:
President Biden is expected to address the nation in the next few days about the crisis in Afghanistan, an administration official says
At which time the "crisis" will be over!
So it'll all be over in a couple of days. Not much of a crisis...
Um-hum. The entire country will be in Taliban hands within a few days.
Not much of a crisis...
It was a tremendous crisis, but as you know it will be all over in a few days.
I guess an honest media would have vetted Joe Biden. What will they do now?
Unless you are some of the thousands of unfortunates that aided the US in Afghanistan and are already cut off from the capitol, with no way to flee the country. Then it is a crisis for as long as you can manage to keep you and your loved ones alive.
Good to know the left is so damn cavalier about the lives of those that help us. This should be a lesson for all those that seek to aid the US in the future- we will fuck you over at a moments notice. We have done so repeatedly in the past; so take heed.
That was made eminently clear by what Trump did to the Kurds in Syria.
New meaning to the words "day late and a dollar short", which also sums up his actions as president so far!
AS IF... from one crisis to the next. Expect no end to the problems created by this administration
Bidens admin is currently frozen with fear over what they have done.. joe and co will be dangerous to our country and others until the end.
I can't wait to see what the potato in the white house does next.
Buckle up. Gonna be a bumpy ride.
And this from Axios:
Rarely has an American president's predictions been so wrong, so fast, so convincingly as President Biden on Afghanistan. Usually military operations and diplomacy are long; the outcomes, foggy. Not here.
Flashback: Just five weeks ago, President Biden assured Americans : "[T]he likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely."
This morning, the Taliban is entering the Afghanistan capital, Kabul, "from all sides," a senior Afghan official told Reuters . Jalalabad, the last major city besides the capital not held by the Taliban, fell earlier today.
CNN showed video of choppers over Kabul — believed to be ferrying U.S. diplomats to the airport.
The big picture: It's a stunning failure for the West, and embarrassment for Biden. And it's a traumatic turn for U.S. veterans who sacrificed in Afghanistan over the past 20 years, the 20,000+ wounded in action, and survivors of the more than 2,300 U.S. military personnel who were killed.
Richard Fontaine , head of the Center for a New American Security and former foreign policy adviser to Sen. John McCain, told Axios: "It's striking that, with 20 years to think it over, the United States withdrew its forces without a plan for the aftermath.
Between the lines: Critics of the Biden approach tell me it's not the drawdown per se that they object to. It's that the U.S. was run out of town, rather than planning a measured and managed departure.
A top U.S. government official gave me a window into Biden's thinking, which boils down to three points:
"If people think our August withdrawal is too fast, what would a May withdrawal have looked like?" the official said, referring to President Trump's deadline of May 1.
https://www.axios.com/biden-taliban-kabul-legacy-0980aeba-a748-4ea5-a9b4-24a5ee899e9f.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=politics-bidenkabul
I know how we can get out of this - have Trump invite the Taliban leaders to Mara-Lago and get them all drunk, set them up with some of Trump's hooker friends, and take pictures of them with their "pants down". Blackmail City .
The Taliban will withdraw in disgrace and Trump can be a president again - of Afghanistan.
Your dreaming again..
Good luck running on this issue in 2024. No one will even remember it.
LOL
active military, vets and their families never forget.
Btw. Your tds is showing
TDS does not exist. I dont know how many times we have told you that.
Tds is very real... but don't worry, trump is going down any day now...
LOL
on who?
Tds sufferers the world over
He's repeating the Steele Dossier. Did you know that some people still believe it?
One thing I do know, we wouldn't have Donald Trump begging the Taliban to let Americans leave. If Solelmani were alive he'd tell the Taliban what would happen. John is trying to distract us from the fact that, as David Sanger said: “Mr. Biden will go down in history, fairly or unfairly, as the president who presided over a long-brewing, humiliating final act in the American experiment in Afghanistan. “Even many of Mr. Biden’s allies who believe he made the right decision to finally exit a war that the United States could not win and that was no longer in its national interest concede he made a series of major mistakes in executing the withdrawal."
Post the link to the copyrighted statement you posted Vic.
TDS is quite real. One of the main symptoms is the refusal to admit that it exists!😏
Most mental cases think they are sane.
Most sane people think they are going crazy.
It is the world we live in
What's your excuse?
That's trumpturd derangement syndrome.
Want to make a bet? If nothing else we have wonderful social media to replay these images as often as needed to remind TDS sufferers what they voted for.