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Reality Derangement Syndrome

  

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By:  john-russell  •  2 years ago  •  137 comments

Reality Derangement Syndrome
People suffering from Reality Derangement Syndrome however, believe conspiracy theories, go to or approve of Trump rallies, wear MAGA hats in 2022, watch Fox News, Newsmax or OANN constantly, and believe Ivanka Trump will be president one day. 


I think I will start to refer to Trump apologists and backsliders as suffering from reality derangement syndrome, or RDS. This diagnosis has the advantage of being more pyschologically accurate than the bogus "TDS" that Trump loyalists keep fantasizing about.

People suffering from RDS have symptoms such as believing that Donald Trump is not a constant pathological liar,  and/or that Trump won the election, and/or that Trump didnt try to overthrow the 2020 presidential election, and/or that the attack on the Capitol was 'legitimate political dissent', and/or that communism is a threat to American society in 2022, and/or that Trump is being persecuted, and/or that 'criitcal race theory' is taught in k-12 schools, and/or that "the Squad" is un-American, and/or that Trump is not a lifelong crook, etc. 

But mostly RDS applies to people who think that other people suffer from TDS. There is no such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome, it isnt possible for anyone to be overly concerned with the damage Trump does to Amercan politics. 

People suffering from Reality Derangement Syndrome however, believe conspiracy theories, go to or approve of Trump rallies, wear MAGA hats in 2022, watch Fox News, Newsmax or OANN constantly, and believe Ivanka Trump will be president one day. 

Oh one more thing. They still want Hillary Clinton locked up because she used a private email server. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    2 years ago

RDS in action

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Nowhere Man
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1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

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bbl-1
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1.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    2 years ago

FSB or SVR?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    2 years ago

256

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.2    2 years ago

Just yet another case of Deja Vu All Over Again!

But I can't help but wonder-- do you actually believe that by having the user-name "Right Down the Center"...that you will actually fool people here into believing that you're actually a moderate CENTRIST?

And that you'll be able to fool them into not realizing that your actual political views are really consistently pretty fFAR RIGHT WING?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.2    2 years ago

Kind of juvenile, don't you think?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.1    2 years ago

Thanks for proving the point of this article NWM

{Chuckle}

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    2 years ago

Do you think I really care about what anyone here thinks to waste my time trying to fool them?  There is a difference between far right and anti far left.  Right now the democratic party is being taken over by a bunch of idiots and the centrist democrat's are letting them for the most part.  As long as that is happening I will be against them.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.4    2 years ago

It's funny cause it's true

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    2 years ago

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Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.8    2 years ago

I am still having difficulty knowing just what meta consists of.  If I had known my comment was, I would have never posted it here.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.8    2 years ago

I didn't know it was meta.  So kill me now.  I can see the reason for its deletion, but a ticket.  Oh please.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.12  bbl-1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.10    2 years ago

Meta is anything distressing, disturbing, upsetting, confusing or embarrassing the MAGA and the right-wing Putin polishers.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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1.1.13  al Jizzerror  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.12    2 years ago

512

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.14  bbl-1  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.7    2 years ago

What is true?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.6    2 years ago
Do you think I really care about what anyone here thinks to waste my time trying to fool them?

Obviously you do, and your screen name is the proof of that.  Otherwise you'd have registered under Bob, Mary, Him, Her, or any other non-descript name.

But you registered here to engage in political discourse, with a name that implies political beliefs (just not your beliefs).

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

After reading many comments in the recent discussions about Holocaust Remembrance Day, I realize I have had a problem for a longtime. I do indeed have a severe case of HDS-- Hitler derangement Symdrome. (And in a addition, a case of SDS -- Stalin Derangement Syndrome. Also a bad case od of JDDS ((Jeffrey Dahmer Derangement Syndrome")...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

That photo on top is hilarious.  Kudos to whoever created that.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.3.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.3    2 years ago

I feel sorry for the baby in it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    2 years ago

Bunch of freaks and whack jobs like their hero

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 years ago

Yeah, you all keep posting seed after seed and bringing him up in virtually EVERY thing.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    2 years ago

See 2

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 years ago

Bunch of freaks and whack jobs like their hero

In case anyone needs evidence about it.....

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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2.2.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    2 years ago

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bbl-1
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3  bbl-1    2 years ago

I always viewed TDS ( Trump Derangement Syndrome ) as only applying to those who fell for The Trump Schtick. 

However, the real and honest summation of the political travails from the man who now dwells in Mar-a-Lago began with a "Stormy Who" and ended with a "Hang Mike Pence."

As to those who still adhere the the flim flam man's coattails the only question I can come with for this is...............Why? 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  bbl-1 @3    2 years ago

Beats the hell outta me, he's a year out of office, pretty much irrelevant administratively, and is only of import to those that support him...

Why is it that the liberals have such a fear of him that they are still trying to destroy him in any manner possible?

Why is it he resides in your heads so heavily?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1    2 years ago

Yep...the vast majority of us who care about this nation want Trump to shut up and go away...and for the left wing scum to be voted out...rendering Biden powerless.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1    2 years ago
Why is it that the liberals have such a fear of him that they are still trying to destroy him in any manner possible? Why is it he resides in your heads so heavily?

I've often wondered the same thing about why so many people obsess about Hitler-- who also resides in peoples heads!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.1    2 years ago
ep...the vast majority of us who care about this nation want Trump to shut up and go away.

Well-- at least you've got to get credit for not voting for him!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1    2 years ago

No.  He continues to reside in the nation's head so heavily.    He will not leave because he has nowhere to go and all day to get there.  Also, whether you like it or not, his days are numbered.  His schtick is used goods.  He is used goods.  He trusted Putin and that is bad mistake.  Putin has put himself in a box over Ukraine and his easiest way out, and best way out with honor, is to divulge how the flim flam man conducted himself at Helsinki.  And the only ones that know that are Putin and the other three Russians in the room.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.5  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @3.1.3    2 years ago

Assuming you believe that.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.4    2 years ago

Right....Because Putin loves Trump so much he wouldn't turn on Trump for doing any of the following:

  • Increased sanctions on Russia. Wonder why Joe is having such a hard time coming up with any way to punish Putin? There are only so many ways to sanction a country. You can thank the Trump administration for that.
  • Inserting US troops into Syria; and then not following through on withdrawing them. Instead having them seize and hold a major Syrian oil field.
  • Giving Ukraine aide in the form of weapons; and allowing US companies to sell weapons to Ukraine. Obama only allowed non lethal aide.
  • Sanctioned and halted the construction of the Nord Stream II pipeline between Russia and Europe. The very same pipeline that Biden dropped all sanctions on; and is allowing to be completed, without getting anything in return from Russia. So who is Putin's puppet again? Who is making Russia rich again? Let's go Brandon!

As for Ukraine. The US doesn't have the military to protect both Ukraine and Taiwan. NATO won't do jack shit w/o the US. Biden is moving forces not into Ukraine; but along the borders of countries around Ukraine. Biden is not a strong leader, and the whole damn world knows it after his fuck up in Afghanistan. All of the Russian forces are inside of Russia territory; so they can wait out the US/NATO for far longer, and for far less cost. China isn't going to waste the US having it's attention and military resources diverted and will take Taiwan. Once Taiwan falls all of our allies in the Pacific will be at risk. The US will have to withdraw forces to bolster our allies in the area. Putin takes Ukraine- with NATO sitting by and watching helplessly- because they can't even take out a 3rd world wannabe like Libya w/o the US doing all the heavy lifting.

Trusting Biden is the most fucked up thing ever. He is going to prove you wrong every damn time. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.6    2 years ago
Trusting Biden is the most fucked up thing ever. He is going to prove you wrong every damn time. 

But no need to take your word on it.    AskRobert Gates:

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1    2 years ago
Why is it that the liberals have such a fear of him that they are still trying to destroy him in any manner possible?

I doubt that 'fear' is a correct read.    A more accurate read is that those who do not support Trump (and I think that is a majority in the electorate) do so on the grounds that his level of integrity and desire to do what is best for the nation (vs. what is best for Trump) is profoundly below what would be appropriate for a PotUS.

On top of that, I suspect most people comprehend that an individual who abuses the authority and influence of the office of PotUS in a pathetic attempt to steal an election he lost by a staggeringly blatant set of lies coupled with 61+ frivolous lawsuits, coercion of officials, rallying of millions of supporters and suborning his own VP to commit an unconstitutional act shows that he should never hold any public office much less PotUS.

So to me it is not at all surprising that people object to the ongoing support of Trump.   What is fascinating (and sickening) is that anyone would actually have such low regard for the office of PotUS that they would seek to reelect Trump to that office.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.8    2 years ago
What is fascinating (and sickening) is that anyone would actually have such low regard for the office of PotUS that they would seek to reelect Trump to that office.

Taking back "their" country overrides any other consideration. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
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3.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.8    2 years ago
What is fascinating (and sickening) is that anyone would actually have such low regard for the office of PotUS that they would seek to reelect Trump to that office.

We know certain individuals here who fit that bill.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.8    2 years ago
What is fascinating (and sickening) is that anyone would actually have such low regard for the office of PotUS that they would seek to reelect Trump to that office.

The only reason Trump was ever voted in was because the democrats nominated the only person he could have beaten.  Now they may do it again if Joe runs again.  If he was actually the moderate uniter he claimed he was it would not be an issue.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.11    2 years ago
The only reason Trump was ever voted in was because the democrats nominated the only person he could have beaten. 

Yes, of course, a better candidate than Clinton would have stopped Trump from winning.   But it was the Rs who actually nominated him to run.

Hopefully the Ds can come up with a quality nominee to ensure (at least from their side) there is not a Trump return.   The Rs should act similarly and ensure Trump is not their nominee.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.12    2 years ago

I find it hard to believe the R's nominated him.  All I can say is they wanted something different than politics as usual and he was in the right place at the right time.

I am not seeing who that candidate will be for the D's but there is still plenty of time.  Biden could be a mistake if he decides to run.

Not sure what the R's will do, maybe DeSantis?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.13    2 years ago
All I can say is they wanted something different than politics as usual and he was in the right place at the right time.

Yes, I think that is exactly what happened.   People grabbed hold of that idea and overlooked all the other negatives of Trump.   It was both an eye-opening look into what the electorate wants (at least on the R side) and a sad realization of how utterly blind the electorate can be.

Biden could be a mistake if he decides to run.

IMO, if either Biden or Harris is nominated that will be a strategic error by the Ds.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.13    2 years ago

Trump won because people were tired of career politicians. Enough forgot that in 2020 to get another career politician “barely” voted in and now they are reaping what they’ve sown.

2022 will be a bloodbath for Dems because of it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.13    2 years ago
Not sure what the R's will do, maybe DeSantis?

Seems that way.   But I am not thrilled with DeSantis.   I can forgive his affinity with Trump but his politically-motivated weakness on precautions during a pandemic bothers me.   

That said, DeSantis is in an entirely different level than Trump.   There should be no question (although I know this will not be the case) as to whether DeSantis is better for the nation than Trump.

I would like to see a nominee with the caliber, integrity, intelligence, experience and temperament of Condoleeza Rice.   Dr. Rice will not run but someone similar to her would be thrilling given the poor choices we have had (for a long time now).

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.14    2 years ago

It is interesting how easy it is to overlook being an asshole if people believe the person is actually fighting for them.  Peel away the assholery and I will admit I liked some of what Donald did.  Some, but not all.

Interesting that the progressive dems don't listen to strategist like James Carville or others that actually know what needs to be done to win.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.15    2 years ago

If the dems don't learn from their mistakes and change course you may very well be right.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.16    2 years ago

I don't know that much about DeSantis but he seems like a viable alternative. Only time will tell if his take on the pandemic really cost that many lives, it seems lots of places that locked down still had their turn in the barrel.   I would definitely go for Rice, or possibly Haley but I would have to learn more about her.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.17    2 years ago
Peel away the assholery and I will admit I liked some of what Donald did.  Some, but not all.

Trump played his base.   His policies were very core to the GOP.   So if one strips away the asshole and just look at the policies, one would expect the GOP (and conservative leaning individuals) to be content.

But that also means that there are plenty of candidates who can replace the 'good' of Trump by simply supporting his policies (bread and butter of the GOP) and it would be easy to find someone who is at least a reasonably good human being compared with Trump.

Interesting that the progressive dems don't listen to strategist like James Carville or others that actually know what needs to be done to win.

The D party is confused.   Not nearly as confused as the GOP (which has totally lost its collective mind), but it needs to get a grip on what they stand for and to stand for something that is practical and good for the USA.   

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.20    2 years ago
Not nearly as confused as the GOP (which has totally lost its collective mind), but it needs to get a grip on what they stand for and to stand for something that is practical and good for the USA. 

opinions do vary on that ...... greatly!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.22  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.20    2 years ago

I don't know why people think they can separate the ethics of the candidate from the ethics of his supporters. More excuses are made for Trump supporters than for any other group of voters I can remember. There is no good excuse for  voting for Trump who was known prior to the 2016 election to be a pathological liar, a crook, a bigot, a moron, and a cheat.

 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.20    2 years ago

I agree for the most part.  While I believe the left is being run by a handful of progressives and woke twitter users that have the moderates afraid and confused about the extent of their reach and power I have to question the actual extent of Trumps reach.  I know what the MSM would have you believe but I tend to think most republicans have moved on, just like most Americans have moved on from Jan 6th even with the constant barrage from the same media.  Or maybe that is just wishful thinking.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.24  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.23    2 years ago

As long as a large number of Republicans say they would consider voting for Trump in 2024 the party is still in his grip.  it's a fantasy to say that people have moved on from Trump in any large numbers.  if the Republican primaries were being held today he would be the nominee.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.25  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.22    2 years ago

To be clear, did you interpret my comment as making excuses for Trump supporters or were you just adding on?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.21    2 years ago
... opinions do vary ...

That is stating the extremely obvious.   We all know that people hold differing opinions on matters.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.24    2 years ago

I am not so sure he would be the nominee if there was time for people to get to know the alternative.  To state that you know how the primaries would go is not based on facts, just what the MSM would have you believe as they try to demonize Trump and anyone that might consider voting for him.  As when Hilary ran I believe the Democrats have alot to do with people considering Trump or not.  Joe got elected because he was thought to be a moderate. If Joe is nominated now  I think Trump might get alot of votes from people holding their noses as they vote.  But all of this is just conjecture on both our parts.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.23    2 years ago
I know what the MSM would have you believe but I tend to think most republicans have moved on, just like most Americans have moved on from Jan 6th even with the constant barrage from the same media. 

As long as Trump is viewed as the leader of the GOP, people seeking his endorsement / approval, talks of him running again, etc., most Rs have not moved on.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.29  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.19    2 years ago

Dr. Rice stated while SoS that she would never run for PotUS.   Given her current age, 67, I am pretty much convinced that she was dead serious.

Haley would be a serious candidate.  But she, like others, refuses to distance herself from Trump and has suggested that she would actually vote for him if he ran in 2024.    jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
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3.1.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.28    2 years ago

It seems more and more people are moving away from seeing him as the leader of the GOP.  Not the few senators or congress people that are still hoping to gain favor if he is elected that cable news keeps front and center but the people that actually would have to vote for him.  If the Republicans are smart they will give the people an alternative.  Just like if the Democrats are smart they will bring their party closer to the middle.

 
 
 
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3.1.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.29    2 years ago

You may be right but it may also be possible they are waiting to see if the political climate changes enough for them to step into the ring.  There is still plenty of time.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.33  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.32    2 years ago

I would have expected the GOP to eject Trump the instant he pulled his Big Lie con job.   Then, at least, the instant he was no longer PotUS.   I cannot explain why they continue to support him.   The political climate is a function of the GOP's continued support of Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.34  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.31    2 years ago
It seems more and more people are moving away from seeing him as the leader of the GOP. 

Slowly.   Like dripping molasses.

If the Republicans are smart they will give the people an alternative.  Just like if the Democrats are smart they will bring their party closer to the middle.

My conclusion is that modern political parties are so obsessed with partisanship that they no longer have the ability to be smart.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.35  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.30    2 years ago

Donald Trump was a known pathological liar long prior to 2016.   he was also a known crook and cheat long prior to 2016.  Whose fault do you want it to be that Republican voters did not take any of that into consideration ?    it's not my fault it's not the Democrats fault it's nobody's fault but the people that voted for him

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.37  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.33    2 years ago
 I cannot explain why they continue to support him.

Neither can I but I am sure it is not because they are all evil racist Nazis as some would have you believe.  Maybe as they as they see a viable alternative they will move farther and farther away.  I think they are but slowly as you say.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.38  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.37    2 years ago
Neither can I but I am sure it is not because they are all evil racist Nazis as some would have you believe. 

Yes, that is ridiculous.   People get wild ideas in their heads and then stubbornly stick to them regardless of facts to the contrary.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.39  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.33    2 years ago

Donald Trump was never qualified or fit to be president of the United States

never.   It didn't start when he began the big lie it started let's say in 2011 when he lied about Obama's birth certificate. If five years before he was elected president people could not determine that his lying about the sitting president in 2011 disqualified him from consideration for office its ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.40  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.34    2 years ago
My conclusion is that modern political parties are so obsessed with partisanship that they no longer have the ability to be smart.

Winning has become the most important thing and the good of the people in the country is secondary at best.  Compromise doesn't exist because people want all or nothing.  Politics has become black and white....Me good....You bad.  It is sad to see.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.41  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.38    2 years ago

Donald Trump's political career was born in racism. That is what was behind the appeal of the birtherism that Trump promoted. Racism against the first black president . I don't know what is so hard for people to understand about this.

  Trump's appeal in the main was based on white people feeling that they were being neglected or were losing their country to multiculturalism.  it's what it's all about and that's what it's always been all about

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.39    2 years ago
It didn't start when he began the big lie ...

The Big Lie, however, was a major event with indisputable facts and utterly blatant lying and narcissism on display.    I focus on this because it was so extreme and obvious and still that was not enough to wake up his supporters.

Further, the Big Lie, took place right before he lost all his power (left office).   What a perfect time to distance the GOP from Trump.  He just engaged in his disgusting lying / coercion / suborning / influencing campaign so the reasons to distance should be crystal clear and the perfect time to lose Trump was when his term ended.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.43  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.40    2 years ago

I fully agree.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.38    2 years ago

I get the feeling facts mean very little to these people.  It is sad that they are so hate filled that they see hate in other people all around them.  It reminds me of McCarthyism where there was a communist behind every tree that needed to be canceled.  Replace communist with racist and here we are today.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.45  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.44    2 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.1.46  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.45    2 years ago

You sound like one of the people I am talking about

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.47  Ender  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.44    2 years ago

Now it is a socialist around every corner...jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.48  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ender @3.1.47    2 years ago

Not every corner, just Bernie, the squad and a few other vocal minority.  The majority of Democrats are smarter than that.jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

But supposedly there are about 74,223,369 racists running around.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.49  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.42    2 years ago

I'm sorry, but Trump has been blatantly lying for over 10 years. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.50  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.49    2 years ago

He has been blatantly lying his entire life (at least as an adult in business).   Why are you sorry?

You understand my point about the Big Lie + end-of-term being a highly significant, visible and indisputable event followed by a perfect opportunity for the GOP to part company with Trump, right?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.51  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.50    2 years ago

Many of his lies have been indisputable for years. You act like his trying to bribe or coerce Ukraine the year before the Big Lie was a minor thing. Except for the intransgience of the Republicans in the Senate he would have been removed from office for that. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.52  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    2 years ago
You act like his trying to bribe or coerce Ukraine the year before the Big Lie was a minor thing.

That, JR, is clearly from your imagination.

When someone is aligned with your position, what prompts you to wedge  disagreement?   Seems to me you would be better served arguing with people who defend Trump rather than arguing over how I criticize Trump and those who support him.

Maybe, instead of arguing about how to best criticize Trump, you could do something extraordinary and just agree that the Big Lie was the most recent big deal and that the GOP had the perfect opportunity to dump Trump at the end of his term.    

What drives you to derail from my perfectly sound criticism?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.53  author  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.52    2 years ago

I wish I had a dollar for every time in the last year that you said that trumps big lie is the thing that proved he's not fit for office. There were many things before that

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.54  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.53    2 years ago

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TᵢG
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3.1.55  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.53    2 years ago

I have never said nor have even hinted that the Big Lie was the only thing.   What is your problem JR?   

You actually constructed a strawman to argue with me when my comments were critical of Trump.

Absolutely irrational and counter-productive.   

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.56  Nowhere Man  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.55    2 years ago
Absolutely irrational and counter-productive.   

[Deleted] his strawman is race hatred, anyone against a democrat anything is a racist hater... Maybe you should remember back to the Mountain of Trash campaign he waged here on the board for his savant Hillary, they had so much trash that Trump would never be elected... and then the deplorables speech... That was converted to anyone not supporting Hillary was deplorable, it's not what she said, but it was what was extrapolated from it...

John will argue vehemently with anyone that strays from his ideal of the democrat platform... Doesn't matter how much you have supported in the past.. you even begin to have a reasonable conversation with a person with a differing view from across the aisle, he will attack your position, logic has nothing to do with it... He is a true believer...

The Republican party gave us Donald Trump, or at least put the conditions in place to make him possible or viable as a candidate... The establishment of the party completely mis-read the rank-n-files's anger over the previous election, and it came back to bite them...

The Democrat's on the other hand were willing to overlook their candidate's seriously questionable history... And then the revelation of the nomination process was not an open and fair one, Bernie stood no chance of the nomination, They had their "Ron Paul" moment right there...

They learned, as the republicans did four years earlier that the electorate really didn't matter to the established parties, voting is but a dog and pony show between their chosen elites...

Trump was the backlash to that thinking... It's going to be a while before the establishments of either party regain control of their respective parties... The Tea-Party/Evangelicals have a good chunk of control of the Republicans and the Marxists have a good chunk of control of the Democrats...

You think either of them are going to be able to negotiate with the other in good faith? The devil will have to import forced air heat into hell before that iceberg will melt...

But until it does, the irrationality of marxist hate will dictate the republicans and the irrationality of race hate will dictate the democrats respective positions...

The problem is the fight has become about absolute control, one party control, nothing will get done till one party or the other has full control.. It doesn't have to be that way, but it's the way the extremes of either side currently want it...

And the extremes have enough control to make it so...

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.57  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.6    2 years ago
Increased sanctions on Russia. Wonder why Joe is having such a hard time coming up with any way to punish Putin? There are only so many ways to sanction a country. You can thank the Trump administration for that.

Wow, that's a sad attempt to utterly rewrite history. 

The Congress, in a truly bipartisan vote, passed the “Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act,” in July 2017. Trump intentionally thwarted the Oct. 2017 deadline to identify Kremlin linked oligarchs and sent out his talking heads to claim that the legislation was deterrent enough. In short, Trump was trying to ignore the statute. 

Instead of providing a targeted list of oligarchs, Trump provided a list, over 100 pages long, which was merely a compilation of what was all available in open sources. In short, they threw a pot full of spaghetti at the wall and expected others to sift out who to target. Another foot dragging ploy. 

FINALLY, in March of 2018, Treasury implemented limited sanctions and promised to impose more at a LATER date. 

The foot dragging went on throughout Trump's term. There is ample documentation of Congress corresponding with the WH to ask WHY Trump wasn't following the law. 

Conversely, Biden imposed sanctions on Russia for 2020 election interference on April, 2021.  

From here, you can extrapolate who well the rest of your comment will hold up. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.58  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1.56    2 years ago

Nowhere Man, I will not be taking advice or criticism from someone who has suggested that quote un quote Patriots may need to take up arms against the federal government due to your alleged fantasized loss of freedoms.      I am completely tired of people that make excuses for Trump supporters, and in all honesty we see it both from the right and to a much lesser  extent some moderates and a few liberals.                                                                                                                       From the time Donald Trump decided to become the king birther in 2011 he was morally and ethically disqualified for any high office in the United States. Trump even kept up the birther lies after Obama released his full form original birth certificate. Trump suggested at that time at the birth certificate might be a fake. I have said many times on this forum that prior to the 2016 election it was well-known to anyone who was interested that Trump is a pathological liar a crook a bigot a moron and a cheat.  These were not speculations or guesses or blind accusations they were known facts. And yet Republican primary voters selected him to be their candidate and in fact voted him into office. It is something that is going to be treated extremely harshly by the history books and people that supported him will really never live down.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.59  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.58    2 years ago

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JohnRussell
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3.1.60  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1.56    2 years ago

It has always been obvious that trumps bottom line base of appeal was white grievance. It is not something I invented it's been written about by various people and experts hundreds of times.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.61  Greg Jones  replied to  Krishna @3.1.2    2 years ago
"I've often wondered the same thing about why so many people obsess about Hitler-- who also resides in peoples heads!"

That would be y'all

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.62  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.58    2 years ago

You forget, the last republican that was challenging Trump in 2016 was Cruz, the rest dropped out of the race and what happened, 6 weeks before the convention Cruz withdrew as well leaving Trump the only candidate available... the ENTIRE Republican establishment was booted out of the process... How was that done?

It was done when the people the rank-n-file plain flat told Cruz he wasn't going to be nominated.. That was to prevent what was done to Ron Paul the previous cycle... Remember where the republican establishment gutted the rules so they could install Mittsey as their loser nominee? AND as soon as I got back from the convention I announced to EVERYONE that Obama was going to get a second term?

You remember any of that? [Deleted]

Anyone takes an opposing side to you will be correct 60% of the time and probably correct another 20%...  [Deleted]

[Have a nice day]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.63  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.59    2 years ago

 Still trolling I see

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.64  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.59    2 years ago

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Sparty On
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3.1.65  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.63    2 years ago

Still not dealing with reality very well I see ....

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.66  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.49    2 years ago

That means he was always a politician.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.67  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1.62    2 years ago

You think Ron Paul was a credible and realistic candidate to become president of the United States and yet you have the nerve to complain  about what other people say about politics. Pretty hilarious

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.68  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.67    2 years ago
Pretty hilarious

What is hilarious is that every name you mentioned is far more qualified than Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.69  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.60    2 years ago

People can always find "various people and experts" to support their views, no matter how twisted they are.  Just go to Fox or CNN, depending on which side of "reality" you reside.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.70  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.58    2 years ago
These were not speculations or guesses or blind accusations they were known facts. And yet Republican primary voters selected him to be their candidate and in fact voted him into office. It is something that is going to be treated extremely harshly by the history books and people that supported him will really never live down.

You know John, when Liberals of Nixon's day were saying the same thing about him a liberal personage who had a great deal of respect from both sides stood up against the stream of that thought and said the Nixon Resignation will be nothing but a footnote paragraph in an encyclopedia compared to his accomplishments during his presidency...

You know he was right?

You know who that personage was?

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.71  Dulay  replied to  Nowhere Man @3.1.70    2 years ago
Nixon Resignation will be nothing but a footnote paragraph in an encyclopedia compared to his accomplishments during his presidency

Um, you know that the Encyclopedia isn't a history book right NWM? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.72  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.31    2 years ago

Maybe the Republican Party can move closer to the middle

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.73  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.68    2 years ago
What is hilarious is that every name you mentioned is far more qualified than Joe Biden.

Your comment illustrates just how low the bar has been set for what conservatives view as qualified. 

The only name John mentioned is Ron Paul. 

Ron Paul's record: 22 YEARS in Congress, 620 bills sponsored, and ONE bill passed, which was about the sale of a building. The record of those 620 bills illustrates Paul's utter failure at building consensus and gaining cosponsors for his legislation. The record of Paul's floor speeches is a picture of a delusional ideologue.

In short, Ron Paul sucked as a Congressman and he has devolved from there to a charlatan and a con man. In that way, he's much like Trump. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3.1.74  Nowhere Man  impassed  Dulay @3.1.71    2 years ago
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.75  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.72    2 years ago

That would be more to my liking but the party as a whole has moved more to the center since the tea party tried to take them over. Moving past Donald would be a good start to be more palatable to more people.  There are plenty of good people that are centrist conservatives that people could get behind and not have to contend with all the baggage.  Funny how I said the same thing about Hillary.    I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.76  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.75    2 years ago

I can see your point. Democrats think the republican party is too far right when it's really only a handful that we (democrats) feel are taking over the party. Republicans think that the Democratic Party have been hijacked by the far left when it's really only a handful of the looney left fringe.

Well would you looky here, Right Down the Center made me see a different point of view. I guess it can happen

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.77  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.76    2 years ago

Don't worry, it will pass.  jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

I have a feeling most people see the other party being taken over by the fringe because of the media focus on the fringe of the party they don't like.  It seems both AOC and MTG are being promoted as the face of their prospective party while 5 years ago you would not be able to name  any new people in congress and only a few long standing congress people at all.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.78  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.77    2 years ago

LOL!

The media both broadcast and social have a stake in keeping us divided and it has everything to do with the all mighty dollar. Probably one of the reasons I don't watch CNN, Fox, or MSNBC. All of them have a product to sell. I watch my morning local news and I'm content. News I see on social media I focus a skeptical eye on it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.79  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.78    2 years ago

Yep, local news and Alexas flash briefing of a variety of stuff that I take with a grain of salt is about it for me.  Any of CNN, Fox. or MSNBC i come across is for entertainment purposes only and that is pretty rare.  Problem is way too many people can't tell the difference between news and opinion shows, which is all that is on them.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.80  Dulay  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.72    2 years ago

They had the chance and their base utterly rejected it. Perhaps if they would have embraced the recommendations of their 'autopsy' study, things would be different. As it is, they did exactly the opposite. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.1.81  bbl-1  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.72    2 years ago

You mean the 'middle' of Russia?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.82  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @3.1.80    2 years ago

Reminds me of when the democrats did their autopsy of the Virginia elections and doubled, no, tripled down on racists, racists, racists!  Maybe they should realize the term is losing it's meaning and people are no longer being bullied into doing something they don't want to in order to "prove" they are not racist to the whackadoos that see a racist behind every tree.

 
 
 
charger 383
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3.1.83  charger 383  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.78    2 years ago
"The media both broadcast and social have a stake in keeping us divided and it has everything to do with the all mighty dollar."  
That is how they work and we should always keep that in mind, they are there for the money 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.84  Dulay  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.82    2 years ago
Reminds me of when the democrats did their autopsy of the Virginia elections and doubled, no, tripled down on racists, racists, racists! 

When was that? Link please. 

Maybe they should realize the term is losing it's meaning

Then why are Republicans passing legislation that makes it illegal to use it? 

and people are no longer being bullied into doing something they don't want to in order to "prove" they are not racist to the whackadoos that see a racist behind every tree.

Wow, those people who acquiesced to 'bullying' sound like snowflakes. 

BTFW, no need to look behind trees, racists are out in the open, in the streets chanting 'Jews will not replace us' and attacking police in our Capitol. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.85  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dulay @3.1.84    2 years ago

You are kidding, right

Illegal to use the word racist?

Maybe to you they are, luckily you are not the spokesperson for everyone

I missed the white robes at the capital.  BTFW I didn't say the country was devoid of any racist, just that there are not 75 million or so that the liberals seem to see.  I see a racist every time I see Joy Reid or Al Sharpton on TV 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.86  Sparty On  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.85    2 years ago

Probably not ..... which is the really ironic part.      

Conservatives tend to be for free speech, even if they disagree with it.    Liberals tend to be for free speech only when they agree with it.

NTers is a lot like that.    Nearly every day.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.87  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.86    2 years ago
Conservatives tend to be for free speech, even if they disagree with it.

bullshit. book burning, alleged CRT indoctrination in grade schools, don't say gay deathsantis, etc, etc...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.88  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.87    2 years ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.89  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.87    2 years ago
bullshit. book burning, alleged CRT indoctrination in grade schools, don't say gay deathsantis, etc, etc...

I rest my case.    Thanks for more empirical evidence.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.90  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.89    2 years ago

evidence good enough for those unable to think for themselves, I'll assume...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.91  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.89    2 years ago

You can't possibly agree with book burning or even banning books

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.92  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @3.1.57    2 years ago

Care to state the whole truth and not your partisan BS?

You can tell where your entire comment belongs.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.93  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.91    2 years ago

Never said I was.    I also never said I was pro or con abortion.    Those false assumptions are being made by other geniuses here.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.94  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.90    2 years ago

I love it when random internet geniuses think they are smarter than everyone else ..... always prime stuff for a good laugh.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.95  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.94    2 years ago

you mean like the comment I'm responding to?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.96  Right Down the Center  replied to  devangelical @3.1.87    2 years ago

Lucky for us the liberals are addressing more important things like Dr. Seuss books, pancake syrup names, teaching 8 year olds they are racist and Uncle Bens rice.  Oh yea, almost forgot they cut the dick off Mr. Potato head.  Yet none of these important improvements seemed to make a difference.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.1.97  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.92    2 years ago
Care to state the whole truth and not your partisan BS?
You can tell where your entire comment belongs.

Well since the dates of sanctions in your link correlate with those I posted, my comment belongs under FACTS.

So, unless you're positing that your Brookings link is 'partisan BS' too, your comment is merely argle-bargle. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.98  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.91    2 years ago

He is a trumper, of course he does.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.99  Sparty On  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.98    2 years ago

You don’t know squat about me either.    One wonders why some folks here carry so much hate in their hearts.    It’s not good.

I say a pray for folks like that regularly.    Hope all y’all can find some peace some day.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.100  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.99    2 years ago

You pray?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
3.1.101  Dulay  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.100    2 years ago

Maybe he meant 'prey'.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.102  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.100    2 years ago

I said I did.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
3.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @3    2 years ago
Why? 

One word-- they are very naive and very gullible.

(Doing my "Trump imitation"-- I deliberately lied about the "one word part"...heh :-))

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @3.2    2 years ago

Sorry.  That does not explain it.

What is it these adoring mobs believe Trump will deliver for them?

"Naive and gullible?"  Mankind is afflicted with that.  Think religion.  That does not apply to Trumpism.  Something else is at play here.  What is it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.1    2 years ago

White grievance

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.1    2 years ago

A country that isn’t a liberal/progressive shit show like Biden and the Bidenettes are currently delivering.

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bbl-1
Professor Quiet
3.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.3    2 years ago

Delivering what?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.4    2 years ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
4  Sparty On    2 years ago

This seed proves that reality can truly be, just a state of mind.

Too bad so many on the left appear to be missing one of those

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5  al Jizzerror    2 years ago

People who suffer from "RDS" are ignorant assholes.

I like to call them "Trumpanzees".

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