Ukrainian officials parade captured Russian soldiers, videos show
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Ukrainian officials have been posting dozens of videos and photos online parading captured bloodied Russian soldiers, including some fighters who claimed they didn’t know they were being sent to invade.
Footage posted on the Ukrainian Security Service’s Facebook page over the weekend showed several Russian soldiers insisting they thought they were only taking part in military exercises before they were forced over their country’s border into Ukraine last week.
Other videos included several of the Russians calling their relatives to inform them they had been detained.
A number of the captured Russian soldiers were injured, including some filmed lying in hospital beds as they spoke.
One of those videos showed an injured commander of a sniper unit who identified himself as Leonid Paktishev, the Guardian reported.
Paktishev’s shocked relatives told the outlet they didn’t even know he was fighting in Ukraine until they saw the footage of him.
“I was sent the video of my brother captured at 2 a.m. last night,” said his sister, Yelena Polivtseva. “I was completely shocked. I had no idea that he was fighting in there.
“I knew Leonid was in the military, but I had no idea that he was sent to Ukraine,” she said. “I don’t think he would have been aware of it, either.”
Ukraine has been pushing relatives of the captured Russian soldiers to reach out to them and voice opposition to the war.
Moscow on Monday refused to disclose how many Russian soldiers had been killed — or captured — since President Vladimir Putin gave the orders to invade Ukraine.
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Ukrainian officials have been posting dozens of videos and photos online parading captured bloodied Russian soldiers, including some fighters who claimed they didn’t know they were being sent to invade.
Footage posted on the Ukrainian Security Service’s Facebook page over the weekend showed several Russian soldiers insisting they thought they were only taking part in military exercises before they were forced over their country’s border into Ukraine last week.
Other videos included several of the Russians calling their relatives to inform them they had been detained.
A number of the captured Russian soldiers were injured, including some filmed lying in hospital beds as they spoke.
One of those videos showed an injured commander of a sniper unit who identified himself as Leonid Paktishev, the Guardian reported.
Paktishev’s shocked relatives told the outlet they didn’t even know he was fighting in Ukraine until they saw the footage of him.
“I was sent the video of my brother captured at 2 a.m. last night,” said his sister, Yelena Polivtseva. “I was completely shocked. I had no idea that he was fighting in there.
Moscow on Monday refused to disclose how many Russian soldiers had been killed — or captured — since President Vladimir Putin gave the orders to invade Ukraine.
Photo: Dozens of Russian soldiers have surrendered to the armed forces of Ukraine in Kharkiv. ( Facebook/Oleg Sinegubov)
It has also been reported that a lot of Russian soldiers are also turning themselves in.
Yes.
I've been reading several articles about this. And one of the things I've seen in many of these cases is that, first of all-- many of them said they were lied to-- they weren't told they were being sent off to murder Ukrainians,but rather that this was merely a routine "training exercise". And not only were they lied to-- but many were surprised by the ferocity of the (supposedly 'inferior") Ukrainians! So they feared for their lives.
And a number of captured Russian soldiers were injured:
Photo: Defence of Ukraine @DefenceU
I don't know if he was ever a big supporter of Putin or not-- but the look on his face its pretty obvious he no longer is...
I've heard some things about that as well. I have to wonder if the stalled advance isn't just supply problems but also the dissatisfaction of the troops with what they are doing. Sort of sounds like the lower ranks, and maybe even the mid ranks, didn't know this would happen, either.
I don't know for sure.
But from everything I've seen, its seems there are several reasons why this is happening.
One of the major ones seems to be that many of these soldiers were lied to-- they were told they were merely going on a "routine training exercise"..and then they found that Putin had ordered them into a dangerous combat zone instead. In addition, not only were they in a combat in a foreign country-- but their opponents (the Ukrainians) were often highly motivated and highly effective fighters as well. So they feared for their lives!!!
They are also pissed off about not being fed
or running out of petrol as they advanced in vehicles
that were desperately old and not fit for combat
Shameful video of one group looting a grocery store of all the food they could carry.
Another video of Russians robbing ATMs and carrying a small safe out of a bank.
Cannon fodder.
Apparently The Russian military sent in their least effect troops first.
Yes, Cannon fodder.
From everything I've seen, the first soldiers they sent in, those leading the invasion, were either very old-- or extremely young and inexperienced.
Morning..
Yes there was a ripper video here..a Russian tank had run out of fuel on a highway...the guy in the car stopped and asked the Russian soldiers would they like a tow...back to Russia!!..they all burst out laughing..
I can relate to that bottom picture .
that is the look of someone that has been thrust into a situation that was not what they were told it was and they had no control over , that look is the epitome of "embracing the suck" all he can do is suck it up.
Putin's invasion of Ukraine is not going nearly as smoothly as he anticipated. Ain't that a bitch?
Well, many people had us believing that Putin was some sort of genius, and praised him highly. (Not the least of which was the former President and Liar-in-chief, Putin's BFF Donald Trump).
So, basically,rather than a quick victory and Putin and his worshoppers would have us believe-- Putin miscalculated.
In fact, not only came the surprise that Russian forces generally performed poorly (despite their superior numbers and both the superior quantity and quality of arms)-- but there was another, "unintended consequence" of Putin's poor judgement.
For some time there were efforts of the two "very stabile geniuses" to weaken NATO. And they succeeded to some degree. But now the effetc of all this is that NATO has been strengthened significantly!
And then there's this, which really blew my mind: traditionally neutral Sweden may be on the verge of wanting to join a military alliance (NATO)!
Superior quality of arms? Where in the hell did you get that? Their arms are far from superior by any means.
Actually I didn't get any of that "in hell"!
Do you really think the Ukrainian fighters had the jet planes-- and tanks-- that the Russians did?
Mostly what they had were handheld guns of various types-- homemade molotov cocktails-- unprotected Ukrainians to go up against APCs, planes, combat helicopters, et
The Finns took a survey and the majority of Finns want to join NATO,
Morning..yes seeing they were once part of Russia they will have the wind up them..
Found the Finn's to be very Russianised back in the the mid 80's when I was there, but think that has changed somewhat now..
Must be a bit weird in some respects..it would be a bit like fighting your cousins to a certain extent over there..bit like us and New Zealand or you mob and Canada...
My SIL family made it to Poland and are now safe so big sigh of relief here..🇦🇺🇺🇦
One of the main reasons Putin started this war was his fear that Ukraine might join NATO.
But so far the only sentiments re: desire to join NATO that resulted from this war has been that apparently both Finland as well as Sweden are considering joining NATO.
(One news source described Putin's actions as "showing bad judgement"-- if anything that's quite an understatement!)
Although ironically, recently DonaldTtrump (AKA "A very stabile genius") has praised Putin as being brilliant.
(Birds of a feather...)
The Finns have fought two bloody wars with Russia and have tried to stay somewhat netrual since but the invasion of Ukraine and the threats Russia made to both Finland and Sweden has changed many minds, shona.
Excellent, just excellent.
Or even..like the Russians and Ukrainians fighting each other!
(Although IMO the Ukrainians and the Russians are the same ethnically.and in other ways...they are currently two distinct countries now only because of history).
what will blow my mind is if the Swiss go that route .
i think the usual neutral countries left that i have not seen anything about is Spain and Portugal.
Good to hear that!
From NATO Allies send more ships, jets to enhance deterrence and defence in eastern Europe
From Portugal, Romania to send military equipment to Ukraine
So far, it's a United NATO, EVERYONE is chipping in something...
I've also heard on CBS radio today that almost all the international sports organizations and federations, (including FIFA) have booted, suspended or banned Russian participation, just waiting on two more, the international tennis federations and the international Ice Hockey League...
They are not "considering" they already have a map and will at some point join NATO and they just recently (yesterday) requested immediate emergency accession...
This much i think i can safely say .
I dont think putin got the response he was expecting with his fast freddie fudpucker move of mentioning his "arsenal".
I just heard on Rachel Maddow that Sweden froze Russian bank accounts. According to her, nothing like that has ever happened before.
Well check it out and get back to us as to whether Maddow is telling the truth.
Um, apparently, I misspoke, sort of. It seems both Sweden and Switzerland are doing unprecedented things but the article I found seems a little vague on exact details.
'A new Europe' united against Russia — even neutral Switzerland (nbcnews.com)
I'm not sure this specifically confirms Maddow's claims but it's what I found.
Found this, too. Switzerland adopts wholesale EU sanctions against Russia | Switzerland | The Guardian
well there went putins source of swiss cocoa.......
Well then (I'm assuming that you are telling the truth... & I'm totally willing to give you the benefit of the doubt
).. perhaps we should add you to the list of "Very Stable Geniuses".. along with some others who have made the list...Donald Trump...Vladimir Putin, and several others of that ilk.
the list of "Very Stable Geniuses
Of course!
Donald Trump, A Very Stable Genius, Tries To Read The Constitution
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I'm surprised at how long that leash is
The quality of photoshopping around here has gotten very very bad....
They don't even look real...
Around here?
LOL ! Hadn't seen that one before.
A soldier’s body lies next to a burned Russian APC after the Ukrainian army attacked it the previous day near the city of Kharkiv, Ukraine, February 25, 2022 EPA/SERGEY KOZLOV
Publishing photos of captured soldiers violates the Geneva convention.
pretty sure we got tossed from that during the bush administration for iraq war crimes...
Imagine (1) thinking that was true (2) thinking that's relevant to a discussion involving Ukraine and Russia.
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"We?" "We" didn't publish the pictures. Ukranians did.
Thank you for sharing!
Yeah, was thinking about that as well. Not sure about how to feel about it being done now. If the Russian troops had been lied to, though, I'm not sure I'd be against them telling their story. Problem is, how does anyone know whether they weren't coerced to say these things? I personally don't think they were because of reporting in Russia about the family members of these soldiers being completely taken by surprise and that the government isn't telling them anything. In the end, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad one.
USSPueblo , look for the Hawiian "good luck "sign ........
navy men will know ......
Well INALB ("I'm not a lawyer but")...nor do I POOTV:
(Title {for Buzz}): L.A. Law 1986 - 1994
But I think its intent that counts.
As well as the actual effect.
Is its intention to humiliate these soldiers? Or does it have another effect-- i.e. its says a lot about Putin?
Don't really know for sure.
One thing I do hope. That the Ukrainian side does not abuse captured soldiers. That would hurt them a lot on the world stage. They better be sitting on top of the Azov battalion pretty hard.
There were multiple pictures of row after row of supposedly Russian regulars in hospitals getting treatment.
Also after a particularly bad result for one Russian convoy,
CNN and BBC were not allowed to film the dead Russians on the bridge
until Ukrainian trucks had picked up the bodies and pieces
( except for one guy they thought was booby trapped and not safe to retrieve )
Good to know. Thanks.
OMG-- do you think they will come after me?
(Or maybe they will arrest the staff of the far-left NY Post which is the source i used? And leave me alone?).
On second thought, despite your dire warning, I will probably be OK, because IIRC I never actually signed The Genevea Convention when I had a chance
The only thing that really would apply to me here is the NT COC-- and as I recall, it doesn't specifically mention that publishing pictures of captured soldiers is a violation.
But I'm not entirely sure about that-- will have to check!
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That would depend on the "official status" of who took the pictures and if Facebook is an actual publication.
Things are being posted by regular UK defense units and civilians all over the internet.
Sue them already...
Many of those same civilians today have been specifically targeted by Russian grad rocket launchers,
a much more serious violation of the Geneva Conventions by an aggressor who claims this isn't a war.
Oh the legalities.../s
You do know they stop being civilians the second they pick up a weapon and start shooting, throw a molotov cocktail, or lay/set off a homemade roadside bomb. At that point they are enemy combatants; it doesn't matter if they are in uniform or not.
I doubt that you could lecture me in much, but international law and the Geneva Conventions?
Are you serious?
Dozens of people were killed in their apartments, many still asleep at 8AM by either a cruise missile or
cluster bombs from "Grad" ( hail stones ) missiles.
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Heaven fucking forbid they defend themselves against this totally unjustified attack and see 9.4.2 . . . these people killed for no fucking reason, invaded for no fucking reason.
You're defending the Russian invaders now????? Trying to justify their targeting of civilians?????
Relax tough guy.
Here's Aural Sauri
"The videos and stills I have seen are definitely not compatible with the requirements of Art 13 of the Third Geneva Convention. It is permissible for the detaining power to take images of POWs for discharging its obligations, e.g. to process them or for legitimate medical
Video of identifiable, captured Russian soldiers calling their mothers absolutely falls into the "humiliating propaganda" category, and is explicitly how POWs are not supposed to be used. This should be called out whenever necessary."
He's a Professor of international law, and you are a guy who doesn't think the Geneva convention applies to the side you oppose.
Here's the toothless ICRC article you seem to need to read.
Frequently asked questions on the rules of war | International Committee of the Red Cross (icrc.org)
So get together with the Professor and sue them for not being able to enforce the Geneva Conventions and
protocols /s
While you're at it, sue all of the news outlets for their coverages of "Desert Storm" and "Shock and Awe"
and every other American adventure that produced pictures of prisoners. ( I do not believe you have standing.
)
Laughable nonsense expected from an internet lawyer.
The GCs don't appear to be enforced by anyone very often, maybe that can be your next research project
.
Per Bing there doesn't appear to be a professor of Law named Aural Sauri?
maybe it's my browser /s
.
Also it may be significant to you that while officially Moscow is still a signatory to the GC protocols.
Putin instructed the lower house of parliament to revoke parts of the protocols in October of 2019,
the Protocols that were approved by the former Soviet government.
Russia's Putin revokes Geneva convention protocol on war crimes victims | Reuters
(( btw the rules state that if you quote someone, you supply a link. ))
All that irrelevant spittle and your argument boils down "The GCs don't appear to be enforced by anyone very often"
Thanks for proving my point. You can lay off all performative hand waiving and just admit I'm correct.
e r Bing there doesn't appear to be a professor of Law named Aural Sauri?
A typo.
Given your apparent obsession with litigation, I suggest you sue him for explaining the Geneva Convention.
utin instructed the lower house of parliament to revoke parts of the protocols in October of 2019,
Which has nothing to do with the provision at issue.
Fuck off.
There fixed it for you.
Enjoy your sophomoric contrarianism, you excel at it as if it matters to anyone...
Thanks for the link (finally), I am sure the IRC and The Hague hang on his every proclamation. /s
But it made you look and get a little bit smarter about what Putin cares about the GC, you are welcome.
Which is nothing at all.
I wonder if it applies when war has not been declared.
That is one of the banal issues that the Russians are depending on.
Oh yeah, I was convinced of that the moment Putin said he was engaged in a “military operation” without saying anything about war.
He’s covering his ass in case this shit goes sideways for him and he ends up on trial for war crimes. “But we never declared war.” Yeah, right.
You really think Putin will be alive to face war crimes?
First Russia would have to lose; and I don't mean just lose- but lose in such a way that the US and NATO were literally knocking at his front doorstep militarily. We will all be glowing in the dark forever before that happens.
Second, he will be dead long before that by one of his inner circle. That is the real person everyone needs to watch out for- the person that can rest control of Russia from Putin.
Certainly, anything can happen.
Then what the hell is Putin engaged in? The man is clearly unstable.
Yeah, I'd love to hear that.
Mr G was telling me this morning he saw an interview with Condoleeza Rice. She's met with Putin a time or two and said he was unstable
I'm going to seed this. If this comment is promotion of a my seed I plan to publish, please delete
He is a squirrely, shifty eyed little prick.
I agree but I would call him a weaselly little prick
The term I keep seeing used is, "Feral Eyed"...
The dog is cuter
It is a stunning resemblance...
Naw..
In fact. not only should it not be deleted...it should be voted up!
Which in fact I just did.
Despite my possible violations of the Geneva Conventions (which, BTW, I've never signed), violations of the CoC and the TOS, alledged violations of the teachings of Jesus (PBUH)...the Holy Koran, etc, etc...I am still on this site...even given some of extreme stupidity and nastiness of the usual suspects...I remain a user of this website.
Which may or may not continue for long (I'm sure a lot of people here would be glad to see me go...) but I may or may not give in to their wishes...I'll might possibly even hang around for a period of time
).
Seems it wasn't so long ago that a certain ex-president (He whose name shall not be mentioned) as well as the talking (but empty) heads over at Faux News-- were constantly singing the praises of Vladimir Putin. As well as certain of the more mentally challenged unusually nasty "Usual Suspects" here who for some bizarre reason are still allowed to spread their extreme nastiness & obsessive hatreds here.
But then again, as Good 'ole Al Einstein once said:
I know of two things that are infinite-- the Universe and Human Stupidity and I'm not entirely sure about the former...
The Convention applies "to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them'."
War declared or not , is still a war to those involved in the area of shooting and killing that didnt have a say .
Well that horse has left the barn and it would be impossible to enforce after years of the US and others doing the same with impunity.
Uh, not necessarily. It depends on the context under which the photos were taken. You should read the article in the Geneva Convention and on the treatment of POW's. It spells it out pretty well.
Our great allies the Ukrainians violating the Geneva convention? That can't be! They would never do such a thing./S
I am sure every Putin will make sure that every last Russian soldier sees this to show how they will be treated should they be captured.
Doubt we will see any calls for the Ukrainians doing this to be sentenced in the Hague. I will give whomever is in charge of the Ukrainian PR campaign full credit, they have most of the world bent over for the Ukrainians.
Ukraine was the victim of an unprovoked attack, so the rules of war apply, you fight back against the aggressor, which is what Ukraine is doing and doing well.
Who could possibly support Russia for invading the Ukraine for absolutely no reason and who could possibly support Putin - saying this is a savvy thing to do and I believe, genius?????????????????????????????????????????
You fight back hard and do whatever you have to to take down the invaders.
Spending most of my military career as a Navy FMF qualified Hospital Corpsman, I carried a gray Geneva Conventions card in my wallet at all times. We were required to know the provisions for treatment of POW's and medical personnel.
I think mine was red. I was assigned to a Medical Group, tho I wasn't involved in direct patient care. My card listed the articles on the treatment of POWS or how I was supposed to conduct myself as a POW...I don't remember...it was over 30 years ago
Well, at least we can be grateful for one thing-- at least there are people like you who aren't fooled by The Ukrainians.
Refreshing to see that there are at least some people supporting both sides are represented here on NV.
(Currently too much of the world has fallen for the Ukrainian propaganda-- at least there are folks like you who still have the courage to remain steadfast in their support and admiration for Putin-- and all the wonderful things he is supporting in Ukraine!
).
I have no words, Krishna. I can't understand how anyone can think that Ukraine is propagandizing this for their own gain.
Well of course there's a certain ex-president who shall remain nameless..And then there are of course some of those wonderful folks over at Fox News who are uncovering the Ukrainian pro0democracy propaganda and explaining how Putin (and what he is currently doing in Ukraine) are the true heroes of this entire Brouhaha!
Oh-- and did I mention Tucker Carlson and his devotees? America (and especially NT) need more people like him!
Who could possibly support Russia for invading the Ukraine for absolutely no reason and who could possibly support Putin - saying this is a savvy thing to do and I believe, genius?????????????????????????????????????????
Well, strange as it may seem, there are some "Very Stabile Geniuses" right here on NT!
See comment # 9 .8, above ^.
That shows very clearly how they do it-- even showing their sneaky use common trolling techniques such as lying in a subtle way ...which at first most readers will think is actually truthful.
Yes, extremely sleazy.
Right outta Putin's & Trump's & Tucker's playbook . . .
Yup, remember it well.
I have that one on ignore
It is very telling that your posts are almost all anti-Ukrainian posts. You try to justify Russian actions, and vilify the Ukrainians trying to protect their homes.
Looking through the Geneva Convention, so far there's nothing saying it cannot be done.
Granted I've only just begun looking so I could be wrong. Do me a favor, if you find something to the contrary please link it.
I think it pretty much boils down to that POW's cannot be photographed when being mistreated, tortured, or interrogated. Anything else is fair game.
Like I said, I don't see anything prohibiting it. Virtually every country has done it.
I suspect an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation is a bigger violation of the convention than posting photos.
butt, butt, it's just a special mission.../s
Nuh-uh! It's a training exercise!
Up until recently I've been totally amazed at how well the Ukrainians have been doing!
But sadly, as of yesterday and today, IMO things are starting to look pretty grim.
Russia had only used part of their potential firepower.. and the poorly armed & tiny numbers (by comparison) defenders of Ukraine have put up some very successful resistance.
But now the Russians are sending in a huge amount of weapons and soldiers, and have been quickly escalating attacks on Ukrainian fighters...and have started to ramp up their numerous war crimes against Ukrainian civilians.
Its not pleasant to face the facts, but IMO we are going to see a bloodbath very shortly...many innocent Ukrainian civilians will be dying shortly
I pretty much expected that from the get go.
Actually the only thing that surprises me is that they waited so long.
Apparently they've also started using cluster bombs ...on civilians.
And they have already begun using FAE (Fuel Air Explosive) devices as well. Those are right up there with the MOAB and just short of a low yield nuclear device for sheer destructive power.
thats what i described in another post., if your good at math , have the fuel and access to a crop dusting plane , its doable . it does the same thing as a thermobaric bomb.
Yep, FAE is just another name for a thermobaric bomb.
I think its going to accelerate exponentially in the next few days-- quite a lot of atrocitieis, against civilians ona horrific scale.
Ed, do you have linkage to them actually using one?
I saw a news article on it yesterday. I'll seek if I can find it.