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Texas DA to file a motion dismissing murder charge in 'self-induced' abortion case

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom  •  2 years ago  •  89 comments

By:   Cady Stanton, USA TODAY

Texas DA to file a motion dismissing murder charge in 'self-induced' abortion case
"The issues surrounding this matter are clearly contentious, however based on Texas Law and the facts presented, it is not a criminal matter."

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A Texas district attorney said Sunday that he will file a motion Monday to dismiss a murder charge against a woman who was arrested in "the death of an individual by self-induced abortion.

The Starr County Sheriff's Office arrested Lizelle Herrera, 26, on Thursday, outraging abortion rights advocates.

"In reviewing applicable Texas law, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her," County District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez wrote in a news release Sunday. 

It is unclear whether Herrera was accused of having a self-induced abortion or whether she helped someone else get an abortion, and the sheriff's office did not say under which law Herrera was charged.

In a statement to The Associated Press, the sheriff's office wrote that Herrera was charged after "intentionally and knowingly causing the death of an individual by a self-induced abortion." 

In the Sunday statement, Ramirez said the Starr County Sheriff's Office "did their duty" in investigating the incident, which was brought to the attention of authorities by a hospital in the area.

"Although with this dismissal Ms. Herrera will not face prosecution for this incident, it is clear to me that the events leading up to this indictment have taken a toll on Ms. Herrera and her family," he wrote. "The issues surrounding this matter are clearly contentious, however based on Texas Law and the facts presented, it is not a criminal matter."

Texas Senate Bill 8 was enacted in September, banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy in a state that has the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. The law does not target pregnant people themselves for prosecution and instead is enforceable by private parties who may sue abortion providers who "aid and abet" women seeking abortions.

Herrera was held in the Starr County Jail in Rio Grande City on $500,000 bail until she was released after posting bond and secured legal counsel Saturday evening, according to La Frontera Fund, which is raising money on behalf of Herrera.

 A small group of activists demonstrated Saturday outside the jail where she was held. 


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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 years ago

I wouldn't mind knowing the name of the hospital employee who thought that calling the police on Ms. Herrera was a good idea.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 years ago

What would you do after learning the name.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    2 years ago

I'd find out what church the snitch goes to and re-gift some type of temporary mental anguish.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    2 years ago
What would you do after learning the name.

Let karma do its thing.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.2    2 years ago

Is karma your version of a sky fairy?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.4  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  devangelical @1.1.1    2 years ago
I'd find out what church the snitch goes to and re-gift some type of temporary mental anguish.

Hello karma! jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.5  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.3    2 years ago
Is karma your version of a sky fairy?

If you have a point, please make it.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.5    2 years ago

pffft, good luck with that.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.5    2 years ago

Not a point, a question.  I’m surprised that you missed the punctuation mark that I used, “?”. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.7    2 years ago

two more deflections should put you right back on topic.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.1.8    2 years ago

Deflections?  SMAAB needed clarification 1.1.5.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.10  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.7    2 years ago
Not a point, a question.  I’m surprised that you missed the punctuation mark that I used, “?”. 

I missed nothing.  I don't know what a 'sky fairy' has to do with karma, which is why my veiled smart-ass-o-meter was pinging 7 out of 10.   However, if you feel I have misinterpreted your interaction with me on this seed, then I apologize. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.10    2 years ago
veiled smart-ass-o-meter

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.10    2 years ago
veiled smart-ass-o-meter was pinging 7 out of 10.

Is there why I tell you to go spank yourself? If not, then I guess I have to spank myself

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.2    2 years ago

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Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.3    2 years ago

I know very well that karma exists in my case for an event in my life.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.15  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    2 years ago

The law . . . is enforceable by private parties who may sue abortion providers who "aid and abet" women seeking abortions.

That is called BS - private parties DO NOT have standing as they do not/have not suffered from the action.

Friggin' idiots.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.16  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.10    2 years ago

384

You're wearing this today????

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.17  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.12    2 years ago
If not, then I guess I have to spank myself

Don't be silly!  I'll be right there...  jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1.17    2 years ago

Oh thank God! I hate spanking myself

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.1.19  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.16    2 years ago
You're wearing this today????

How did you know?  Can you see me?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.18    2 years ago

Oh thank God! I hate spanking myself

Giggity. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised it that name will be on a civil suit against Herrera. That's how Senate Bill 8 works. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.2.1  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dulay @1.2    2 years ago
I wouldn't be surprised it that name will be on a civil suit against Herrera.

I hope not.  She's been through enough.  You're probably right, though.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dulay @1.2    2 years ago

The law specifically exempts the person who is getting the abortion from being sued. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.2    2 years ago

Both criminally and civilly ?

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.2    2 years ago

The law specifically exempts the woman who is getting the abortion from being prosecuted too.

That didn't stop them from arresting her, putting her in jail and demanding a $500,000 bond for her release. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.3    2 years ago

Yes.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dulay @1.2.4    2 years ago

She wasn’t arrested for violation of the Senate Bill 8.  She was arrested in the Dem stronghold of Rio Grande City for murder.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.7  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.6    2 years ago

The law she was charged under is Texas law!

A law that is just being implemented. Badly...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    2 years ago

A law that is just being implemented. Badly


I think that District Attorney Gocha Ramirez is a rookie.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Guide
1.2.9  Dulay  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.6    2 years ago
She wasn’t arrested for violation of the Senate Bill 8.  

Really? Please post a link that supports your claim. 

Per the Sheriff, "Herrera was charged after "intentionally and knowingly causing the death of an individual by a self-induced abortion."

She was arrested in the Dem stronghold of Rio Grande City for murder.

WTF does party affiliation have to do with it? Please be specific. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dulay @1.2.9    2 years ago

Really? Please post a link that supports your claim. 

“Herrera was arrested and served with an indictment on the charge of Murder after Herrera did then and there intentionally and knowingly cause the death of an individual by self-induced abortion,” Delgado said.

Per the Sheriff, "Herrera was charged after "intentionally and knowingly causing the death of an individual by a self-induced abortion."

Yes, charged with murder, not SB 8.  See above.

WTF does party affiliation have to do with it? Please be specific.

I found it interesting and perhaps surprising to those here and think only repubs do stupid stuff.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.10    2 years ago
Delgado said

Which fails to support your claim since it doesn't state the statute that she WAS arrested under.

I found it interesting and perhaps surprising to those here and think only repubs do stupid stuff.

Huh?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1    2 years ago

Maybe as a mandated reporter the employee had to do that…

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    2 years ago

No, the employee did not. No crime was committed. There is no mandate to report non-crimes.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.3.2  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    2 years ago

This isn't Russia, yet.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.3  devangelical  replied to  pat wilson @1.3.2    2 years ago

pffft, why does it seem like every 400-500 years we need to stuff the stinking crusaders back in their place...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.3.3    2 years ago
every 400-500 years

Wow how many reincarnations have you had?  What crusade was underway in 1550?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.3.5  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    2 years ago
Maybe as a mandated reporter the employee had to do that…

Mandated reporter of what, exactly?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.3.5    2 years ago

Perhaps he's thinking of child abuse...which abortion is not child abuse

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2  Tacos!    2 years ago
"In reviewing applicable Texas law, it is clear that Ms. Herrera cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her," County District Attorney Gocha Allen Ramirez wrote in a news release Sunday. 

Outstanding. It’s always nice to see a DA behave like a human being.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    2 years ago

The gop in Texas keeps blowing itself up...

original

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3    2 years ago

The gop in Texas keeps doing this to themselves.

The Starr County DA is a Dem that ran unopposed. Rio Grande City is a Dem stronghold.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    2 years ago

No, it was the dumbass gop Texass legislature that passed the dumbass Texass law that she was charged under! And, you are too smart to be playing at coy so gawdamn obviously...

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.1.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    2 years ago
It was the Texas gop legislature passed the law...

Wouldn't it be nice if this November we could turn this state into a lovely shade of blue?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    2 years ago

It was the Texas gop legislature passed the law...

This case never had anything to do with Texas Senate Bill 8.  I thought you meant the bogus arrest.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.2    2 years ago

Wouldn't it be nice if this November we could turn this state into a lovely shade of blue?

We?  JBB lives in NYC, do you live in Texas?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.5  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.4    2 years ago

JBB can support Democrats in Texas from NY.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.6  JBB  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.2    2 years ago

Wait until women who suffer miscarriages at home and do not legally report or medically document them start being charged with murder after being reported under the law!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.5    2 years ago

Let us know who your supporting.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.8  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.7    2 years ago

You're. I will send a check to the Democrats running for Governor and Senate plus other Democratic candidates who are viable.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.8    2 years ago

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GregTx
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3.1.10  GregTx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.9    2 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  GregTx @3.1.10    2 years ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.1.12  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.4    2 years ago
We?  JBB lives in NYC, do you live in Texas?

'We' includes anyone interested in helping Greg Abbott find another line of work.

Now, what are your thoughts regarding the seeded article and/or Ms. Herrera's dilemma? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.12    2 years ago

I was surprised that she was originally charged.  Good to see that the DA came to his senses. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

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Ozzwald
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4.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    2 years ago
Looks like we will be seeing alot of do it yourself abortion videos on youtube and they will have classes at Planned Parenthood.

Are there any Planned Parenthoods left in Texas?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.2  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    2 years ago
Are there any Planned Parenthoods left in Texas?

Planned Parenthood's Mission Statement:

  • Help people live full, healthy lives — no matter your income, insurance, gender identity, sexual orientation, race, or immigration status;

  • Provide the high-quality inclusive and comprehensive sexual and reproductive health care services all people need and deserve — with respect and compassion;

  • Advocate for public policies that protect and expand reproductive rights and access to a full range of sexual and reproductive health care services, including abortion;

  • Provide medically accurate education that advances the understanding of human sexuality, healthy relationships, and body autonomy;

  • Promote research and technology that enhances reproductive health care and access.

Source

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 years ago
Why wouldn't there be?

Texas has been working against Planned Parenthood for a while now.  I was unsure how well they had succeeded.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.5  seeder  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    2 years ago
He asked if there were PPs in Texas. I told him there are, and asked why there wouldn't be.

Thanks for the re-cap?  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    2 years ago

Working against PP? Where did you hear that?

The news.  You may have heard of it.

Texas, for no apparent reason, removed Planned Parenthood from Medicaid.  A judge had blocked that law, but Texan successfully worked around that injunction and has removed Planned Parenthood.

Months before Texas’ near-total abortion ban went into effect in September, officials succeeded in their years-long effort to kick Planned Parenthood out of the state’s Medicaid program.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.9  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    2 years ago

You can't be serious! Google Texas Planned Parenthood and read the many articles going back 20 yrs about antiabortion gop in Texas trying to shut down TX Planned Parenthood.

 
 
 
Veronica
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4.1.10  Veronica  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.5    2 years ago
re-cap?

Or is it re-crap?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @4.1.9    2 years ago
You can't be serious! Google Texas Planned Parenthood and read the many articles going back 20 yrs about antiabortion gop in Texas trying to shut down TX Planned Parenthood.

It's almost like he doesn't read local Texas news.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.11    2 years ago

And yet, Planned Parenthood is in operation all over Texas.

The triggered factor is exponential on this one .....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.12    2 years ago

They may be, but since you live in Michigan how do you know? What Ozz is saying that TX removed PP from Medicaid

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.13    2 years ago
They may be, but since you live in Michigan how do you know?

I googled it, unlike others here.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.17  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.15    2 years ago
Yeah, Texas has somehow not managed to close 42 PP locations in the state.

You may have noticed, but ignored because it did not match your narrative, that I never said they "CLOSED" PP locations.  I said that they were working 'AGAINST" Planned Parenthood.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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5  Steve Ott    2 years ago

"   Title 5, Chapter 19   of the Texas Penal Code, which deals with "criminal homicide." It defines "intentionally or knowingly" causing an individual's death as murder, a first-degree felony punishable by life in prison.

Crucially in this context, Chapter 19 says it "does not apply to the death of an unborn child if the conduct charged is…conduct committed by the mother of the unborn child.""

Someone didn't do their L1 homework.

 
 

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