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The Twitter Censorship Files

  

Category:  Op/Ed

Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 years ago  •  99 comments

By:   The Editorial Board (WSJ)

The Twitter Censorship Files
The mistaken claims in 2020 by former spooks about Hunter Biden's emails framed the social-media site's decision to block the news.

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Elon Musk's release of internal emails relating to Twitter's 2020 censorship is news by any definition, even if the mainstream media dismiss it. There will be many threads to unspool as more is released, but a couple of points are already worth making.

The first is that Mr. Musk would do the country a favor by releasing the documents all at once for everyone to inspect. So far he's dribbled them out piecemeal through journalist Matt Taibbi's Twitter feed, which makes it easier for the media to claim they can't report on documents because they can't independently confirm them.

A second point is an huzzah for Rep. Ro Khanna, the California progressive Democrat, who warned Twitter in 2020 about the free-speech implications and political backlash of censoring the New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. That was good advice, even if Twitter didn’t take it.

A third point is the confirmation of the central role that former spies played in October 2020 in framing the Hunter Biden story in a way that made it easier for Twitter and  Facebook  to justify their censorship.

Recall that former Democratic intelligence officials James Clapper and John Brennan led the spooks in issuing a public statement suggesting that the laptop may have been hacked and its content was Russian disinformation. On Oct. 16, 2020, Mr. Clapper told CNN that “to me, this is just classic textbook Soviet Russian tradecraft at work.” On Oct. 19, 51 former spooks released their statement claiming that the arrival of the emails “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” (The  statement  and signers are published nearby.)

We now know that the Clapper-Brennan claims were themselves disinformation and that the laptop was genuine and not part of a Russian operation. CBS News recently waddled in two years later with a forensic analysis of its own and concluded it is real.

But the claims by the spies gave an excuse for the media to ignore the Hunter Biden story and even to dismiss Hunter’s former business partner, Tony Bobulinski, who went on the record before the election to confirm much of the content on the laptop with documentation in the form of voluminous text messages.

We examined those messages ourselves at the time, and our Kimberley Strassel spoke with Mr. Bobulinski and put it all on the record before the election. We also wrote an editorial. But nearly all of the rest of the press ignored or trashed the story.

The Twitter documents published by Mr. Taibbi include part of what appears to be a memo from James Baker, the Twitter deputy general counsel. “I support the conclusion that we need more facts to assess whether the materials were hacked. At this stage, however, it is reasonable for us to assume that they may have been and that caution is warranted,” Mr. Baker wrote.

He continued that “there are some facts that indicate that the materials may have been hacked, while there are others indicating that the computer was either abandoned and/or the owner consented to allow the repair shop to access it for at least some purposes. We simply need more information.”

With an election so close, any delay helped the Biden campaign, which was trying to squelch the Hunter Biden story that raised questions about what  Joe Biden  knew about Hunter’s foreign business dealings. Twitter went ahead and suppressed the story across its platform, going so far as to suspend the New York Post’s Twitter account.

Readers may recall that Mr. Baker was director Jim Comey’s general counsel at the Federal Bureau of Investigation during the Russia collusion fiasco in 2016. He was the main FBI contact for Michael Sussmann, the Clinton campaign lawyer who spread falsehoods about the Trump campaign regarding Alfa Bank, among other things.

Mr. Baker’s ties to the former intelligence officials who signed the “Russian information operation” statement may have influenced his Twitter memo and the censorship decision. All of this is likely to be fodder for House Republican hearings into the FBI’s role in the Hunter Biden story.

The partisan foray by current and former U.S. intelligence officials in the last two elections should be deeply troubling to Americans on the left and right. They have authority by dint of access to information that isn’t confirmable by the press, which takes their spin as gospel. This is a form of political corruption that needs to be exposed, and perhaps the Twitter documents will help to unlock the story.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 years ago


This was the prime example of the media conspiring with democrats and the FBI to influence an election.

Musk needs to file a report.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

I'm grateful that trumpsters are vilifying the DOJ, FBI, DHS, and CIA. maybe that will buy some time and consideration for american patriots when trumpster heads start exploding, you know, if and when any of them actually "nut up" and go for it...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago
The partisan foray by current and former U.S. intelligence officials in the last two elections should be deeply troubling to Americans on the left and right.

It's a damn good hit on the left.  They will be crying about that for a while.  For those on the right, it just reinforces what many have already thought - the "intelligence officials" are nothing more than partisan hacks.

This is a form of political corruption that needs to be exposed, and perhaps the Twitter documents will help to unlock the story.

The left and (m)ass media will fight this tooth and nail to cover their corruption.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 years ago
the "intelligence officials" are nothing more than partisan hacks.

The "Deep State."


The left and (m)ass media will fight this tooth and nail to cover their corruption.

Thus far, it's been child's play.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 years ago
"Deep State."

Was just listening to that song this morning.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    2 years ago

Of course the NYT aren't going to cover it.  They're culpable of covering it up.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    2 years ago

The reason the Times and others are so pissed off is because Musk has the evidence!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    2 years ago

Who gives a fuck what Musk has to say?

PS I voted for Joe, not Hunter

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    2 years ago

PS nothing was censored regarding Hunter.  Nothing to censor

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    2 years ago

How about when musk posted the lie on twitter that Paul Pelosi was attacked by a gay lover?

He promotes nothing but ignorance and lies and hate and racism like most republicans/gqp

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.3    2 years ago

That was another massive coverup wasn't it?

You see all we want is transparancy....and JUSTICE!

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    2 years ago

Joe and Jill Biden's taxes are public for the last twenty years. There has been no evidence that they personally profited in any way from Hunter Biden's business deals, which were legal. There is always an implication that something is up when those close to power profit from foreign businesses, like the Trump Klan has and continues to. Butt, it is legal...

The Hunter Biden laptop story has been flogged for years. Reputable news sourced just refused to spread wild unfounded unproven accusations at Joe Biden. If there is any proof of misdeeds by The President produce them. If not, no story here!

It should also be noted that from January of 2017 until January 2021 Biden held no public office. Democrats have long wanted to curb rank profiteering by those with proximity and access to power, like the Trump Klan, but the gop has always pulled out the stops to stop them doing it...

Trump lost badly in 2020. So, best you get over it.

If the gop nominates Trump Biden wins 2nd term.

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  JBB @4    2 years ago
Joe and Jill Biden's taxes are public for the last twenty years. There has been no evidence that they personally profited in any way from Hunter Biden's business deals, which were legal.

Come on JBB, we all know that Joe is one stupid piece of crap, but nobody here is trying to claim that his tax attorneys are dumb enough to put, 10,000,000.00 million pay-off to the big guy from the Russia Mafia on his tax returns. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4    2 years ago

Hunter Biden didn't get to sell influence if the buyer thought Joe Biden wouldn't cooperate. There is plently of evidence that Hunter Biden took in millions from China and the Ukraine. The FBI is covering up. About two dozen whistleblowers are willing to testify. There is supposedly an investigation of Hunter Biden that has been on sleep mode for 2 years. We know who "the big guy" is.

Saving democracy would mean investigating the Bidens.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4    2 years ago
Reputable news sourced

You mean like CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post?  Those "reputable news sources?  

If the gop nominates Trump Biden wins 2nd term

You remember the last time the Democrats made moronic claims like that don't you?  She got her ass handed to her and it kicked off the Democrats "Big Lie" spawning unfounded investigation after unfounded investigation that all came to a zero balance in success.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.5  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @4    2 years ago

They got nothing JBB, as usual

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5  Drinker of the Wry    2 years ago
which were legal even if there is always an implication thay something is up when those close to power profit in business.

Perhaps or possibly criminal violations of tax laws, foreign lobbying documentation and money laundering.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6  Sparty On    2 years ago

This topic is going to destroy what little credibility liberal workers drones here and in the media might have had.

Reminds me of a great Billy Preston tune when it comes to that “credibility.”

 
 
 
JBB
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7  JBB    2 years ago

original

 
 
 
freepress
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8  freepress    2 years ago

Trump was president in 2020 and prior. The same way this site has moderation to weed out hate and trolls so does Twitter and many other sites. I don't always agree with the way they handle it any more than I agree with the way other sites moderate content but when you use a site you are subject to their rules. They do just as much removing of left wing folks for crossing their "lines". The level of right wing grievance mongering over not dominating every social site is just ridiculous. They have had FOX the "most powerful name in news" for years, not to mention the vast array of right wing media hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and far too many to bother naming since there is a vast array of right wing blogs, podcasts, radio shows Sinclair network, Fox network and they are free to be on ANY site. Just don't whine if an opinion crosses the line into hate speech or breaks their moderation rules. It happens to the left as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  freepress @8    2 years ago

The federal government has no such right to moderate comments. The government is bound by the Constitution. What we are finding out is that government had used social media to get around the law. 

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    2 years ago

When did the government moderate?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.1    2 years ago
When did the government moderate?

Try to understand:


government had used social media to get around the law. 

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.3  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.2    2 years ago

You saying that does not prove anything.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.3    2 years ago

The proof is right there in post 9.1.2

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.5  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    2 years ago

Was twitter coerced into censoring? Was twitter threatened to do bidding?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.5    2 years ago

It was.

"Officials within the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Health and Human Services sent emails to employees at Facebook and Twitter to flag instances of alleged misinformation and provide talking points to counter allegedly false narratives spreading on the platforms. "

Emails Reveal Biden Administration Coordinated With Facebook, Twitter (dailysignal.com)

It doesn't take much for progressives to get on board with "the Biden team."

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.7  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.6    2 years ago
Donald Trump wanted the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to become the policeman of social media content . Reps. Eshoo and McNerney have suggested no such role for the federal government in cable, yet their letter to the company CEOs asking about their responsibility “in disseminating misinformation” has been attacked by the very same people who marched in lockstep with Donald Trump’s attempt to establish federal speech police for social media.

“What time does the Democrats’ book burning party start?” Republican FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr tweeted  about the letter to the media companies. This is the same Commissioner Carr who wholeheartedly supported  Donald Trump’s efforts to use  the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to police social media companies, including empowering that government agency to determine whether editorial decisions were made in “good faith.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.7    2 years ago

Obviously, Ender, there is no role for the government in censoring anything. So, we come right back to what you are resisting: The government got a story damaging to candidate Biden censored and later president Biden and his team got people and comments censored.

Those are the facts.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.9  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.8    2 years ago

Twitter made their own decision. Biden was not president at the time of the laptop story.

You have shown no facts where the Biden administration forced comments to be censored. They can ask twitter to review and look at content, just like the republicans can.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.9    2 years ago
Biden was not president at the time of the laptop story.

No, he wasn't, but clearly the deep state wanted Biden to win and that's why 51 "former intelligence" officials said that the Biden Laptop looked like Russian disinformation. That's all it took for Twitter to quash a legitimate news story. Beyond that, the FBI spoke to Mark Zuckerberg over at Facebook about a possible Russian disinformation drop involving Hunter Biden just before the election:

Zuckerberg blames FBI for censoring The Post's Hunter Biden scoop (nypost.com)


So, there is plenty of evidence of the government going around the law to censor.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.11  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.10    2 years ago

Deep state?....

Sorry but I would agree with them. They didn't know where the laptop came from and the weirdo from the repair shop went straight to Giuliani. Of course they are going to assume other things until they investigate.

I also read that twitter only censored the story for like 24 hours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.11    2 years ago

They had no evidence that it was fake,

And to add to their malfeasance in censoring a legitimate story weeks before an election they were given the laptop, which they recently claimed they lost. Since the election just about every media outlet has now admitted that Ya it was real.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.13  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.12    2 years ago

They had no evidence that it was real at the time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @8.1.13    2 years ago

There was a leading democrat who should get some kind of award for honesty. He said what they did was wrong, but he was glad because it hurt Trump and to him it was a noble cause.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @8.1.13    2 years ago

Deep state nonsense is all they have to cling to, desperately

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @8.1.13    2 years ago

The government telling them to squash it is the first indication that there is something there.  Even if Geriatric Joe wasn't President, that's enough to raise some questions.  But the dipshits at Twitter and Facebook just went along with it like good little Nazi's.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.15    2 years ago

Who were the 51 "former intelligence officials?"

 
 
 
George
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8.1.20  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.14    2 years ago

Brings back memories of that rancid piece of crap Harry Reid lying on the Senate floor, and when he got called out on it, He responded: We won didn't we? No integrity at all in democrat leadership.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.18    2 years ago

Did you hear his Press Secretary?

No denial, "It's old news!"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @8.1.20    2 years ago

You mean after he lied about Romney's taxes?

That's right. They brag about doing it and getting away with it.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.24  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.16    2 years ago

So you admit that they can request yet it was up to the companies to decide...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.25  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.22    2 years ago

Don't forget, she wasn't chosen on merit.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @8.1.24    2 years ago

The government steps in business affairs all the time.  Biden stepping in during the railroad workers strike, Biden "firing" pipeline workers and construction workers on the border...

Funny you missed that.  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
8.1.28  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.27    2 years ago

Reagan firing air traffic controllers...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.1.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ender @8.1.28    2 years ago

Dude, you can't even keep your story straight.  

 
 
 
Ender
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8.1.30  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.29    2 years ago

Dude, what story?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.32  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to    2 years ago


As we all recall, it began when Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election and she announced "I'm now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance."



She also vowed to start a "resistance political action committee.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.33  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.32    2 years ago
Hillary

Yep, that’s the head of the snake right there.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.34  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.33    2 years ago

We seem to have forgotten that for 4 years there was not only a resistance to Trump but an effort to overturn that election.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.35  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.34    2 years ago

Not all of us.

 
 
 
Ender
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9  Ender    2 years ago

Both the RNC and the DNC asked twitter to remove content. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @9    2 years ago

It was based on who you knew at Twitter and there were a lot more DEMOCRATS working at Twitter than anything else.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1.1  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    2 years ago

Reaching there...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @9.1.1    2 years ago
 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1.3  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    2 years ago

All that shows is a government agency for heath wanted social media to step in and stop covid disinformation.

twitter and facebook still made their own choices.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @9.1.3    2 years ago
All that shows is a government agency for heath wanted social media to step in and stop covid disinformation.

That's not true Ender. They were censoring counter views, many of which turned out to be correct.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1.5  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.4    2 years ago

Counter views? Like taking horse medicine?

Sorry but if I ran twitter I would censor or label those tweets as misinformation myself.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @9.1.5    2 years ago
Like taking horse medicine?

Nope. 

Like any medical expert questioning Dr Fauci:

Dr. Fauci sits for deposition in COVID-19 social media censorship case (nypost.com)


You've been given a lot of links to read today. I suggest you read them.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.7  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.6    2 years ago

Read what...That some attorney general in Louisiana filled a lawsuit.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
9.1.8  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.6    2 years ago

The talking points win over facts everyday, 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @9.1.8    2 years ago

They don't really win. People are reading this, and they get it.

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1.10  Ender  replied to  George @9.1.8    2 years ago

Keep thinking this will go somewhere. Just more red meat for the base to chew on while they send in money.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @9.1.10    2 years ago

The endless grifting and thuggish-ness and thievery from the right and trumpturd

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.2  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @9    2 years ago

What content did Twitter moderate to benefit Republicans and the RNC?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.2.1  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @9.2    2 years ago

Ask them. The guy that released the files said both sides had requests and both sides had requests granted.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @9.2.1    2 years ago

I’d like to see that but ...... won’t hold my breath

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Some people should watch this and try and learn something

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 years ago

Ana Kasparian has star power and she nails this matter.  If only the people who have louder voices would figure this out. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 years ago

And some people should pull their heads out of their asses long enough to realize their gaslighting gig is up.    Pucker up radical liberal buttercups.    The pain you’ve had coming for some time is on it’s way.

Enjoy the ride.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 years ago

First of all John, I saw the entire discussion between Carlson and Devine. She was interpreting the very first e-mails that Taibbi posted. Had that entire discussion been posted, you would have heard her say that the Zuckerberg relevations were far more informative. Devine had not yet formed an opinion of that first day's release of tweets.

BTW Devine isn't simply a New York Post Columnist: She is the one who broke the Hunter Biden laptop story only to see it censored on both Facebook and Twitter.

So when you watch these leftist story tellers, it might be best to check and see if they have their facts straight.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
11  Ender    2 years ago

Mediate has a quick story about a segment from fox news.

Some republicans are split over this.

The segment opened with a clip of Senator Ted Cruz amplifying Republican talking points about “Twitter Files,” though much of what he said was flat-out wrong. Doocy said that he didn’t know what the senator was talking about before citing Taibbi’s writing on Friday “although several sources recalled hearing about a general warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence that I have seen of any government influence in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem.”

“So, according to the guy who Elon Musk gave all the secrets to, he said I don’t see federal law enforcement involved in the laptop story at all,” Doocy included.

This did not play well with   Brian Kilmeade , who appears to be wedded to the idea that the FBI DID, in fact, insert themselves in a conspiratorial or unfair manner. I wouldn’t use the word “apoplectic” to describe Kilmeade’s reaction, but he didn’t calmly receive Doocy’s statement of facts, as it’s clear that he believes there is far great injustice at play than his co-host explained.

 
 

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