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F.D.A. Approves First U.S. Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pill

  

Category:  Health, Science & Technology

Via:  hallux  •  8 months ago  •  144 comments

By:   Pam Belluck - NYT

F.D.A. Approves First U.S. Over-the-Counter Birth Control Pill

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The Food and Drug Administration on Thursday   approved a birth control pill to be sold without a prescription   for the first time in the United States, a milestone that could significantly expand access to contraception.

The medication, called Opill, will become the most effective birth control method available over the counter — more effective at preventing pregnancy than condoms, spermicides and other nonprescription methods. Experts in reproductive health said its availability could be especially useful for young women, teenagers and those who have difficulty dealing with the time, costs or logistical hurdles involved in visiting a doctor to obtain a prescription.

The pill’s manufacturer, Perrigo Company, based in Dublin, said Opill would most likely become available from stores and online retailers in the United States in early 2024.

The company did not say how much the medication would cost — a key question that will help determine how many people will use the pill — but Frédérique Welgryn, Perrigo’s global vice president for women’s health, said in a statement that the company was committed to making the pill “accessible and affordable to women and people of all ages.” Ms. Welgryn has also said the company would have a consumer assistance program to provide the pill at no cost to some women.

“Today’s approval marks the first time a nonprescription daily oral contraceptive will be an available option for millions of people in the United States,” Dr. Patrizia Cavazzoni, director of the F.D.A.’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, said in a statement. “When used as directed, daily oral contraception is safe and is expected to be more effective than currently available nonprescription contraceptive methods in preventing unintended pregnancy.”

Since the Supreme Court overturned the national right to an abortion last year, the accessibility of contraception has become an increasingly urgent issue. But long before that, the move to make a nonprescription pill available for all ages had received widespread support from specialists in reproductive and adolescent health and groups like the   American Medical Association , the   American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists   and   the American Academy of Family Physicians .

In a   survey last year by the health care research organization KFF , more than three-quarters of women of reproductive age said they favored an over-the-counter pill, primarily because of convenience. Nearly 40 percent said they would be likely to use it. Those most likely to opt for the product included women already taking birth control pills, women without health insurance and Hispanic women, the survey found.

And strikingly, at a time of fierce divisions over abortion, many anti-abortion groups have declined to criticize over-the-counter birth control. Opposition appears to come primarily from some Catholic organizations and Students for Life Action.



In May,   a panel of 17 independent scientific advisers to the F.D.A.   — including obstetrician-gynecologists, adolescent medicine specialists, a breast cancer specialist and experts in consumer health behavior and health literacy —   voted unanimously   that the benefits of making a birth control pill available without a prescription vastly outweighed the risks.




The panel cited the long history of safety and efficacy of Opill, which was approved for prescription use 50 years ago. The over-the-counter pill will be identical to the prescription version, which is 93 percent effective at preventing pregnancy with typical use.




Several panelists said there was a pressing public health need for an over-the-counter option in a country where nearly half of all pregnancies are unintended.

“The evidence demonstrates that the benefits clearly exceed the risks,” said one advisory committee member, Kathryn Curtis, a health scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s division of reproductive health.

She added: “I think Opill has the potential to have a huge positive public health impact.”

For proponents of over-the-counter pills, the main issue is affordability.

“If available equitably — meaning that they are priced affordably and fully covered by insurance — over-the-counter birth control pills will be a game-changer for communities impacted by systemic health inequities,” said Dr. Daniel Grossman, director of Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health, who has led research on over-the-counter contraception.

The Affordable Care Act requires heath insurance plans to pay for prescription contraception, but not over-the-counter methods. Some states have laws mandating coverage of over-the-counter birth control, but most states do not. The   KFF survey   found that 10 percent of women would not be able or willing to pay any out-of-pocket cost for contraception. About 40 percent would pay $10 or less per month, and about a third would pay $20 or less.

Under a recent   executive order by President Biden , the federal government could soon take steps toward requiring insurers to cover over-the-counter birth control. And Senate Democrats have   reintroduced legislation   to require such coverage.

“We need to make it affordable and available,” Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat from Washington State and the lead sponsor of the bill, said in an interview in May. “Let’s provide women what they need and make sure it’s affordable so there’s equity, and women who are low-income, women who for whatever reason are struggling don’t have to be forced to not have any birth control simply because they can’t afford it today,” she added.

Opill is known as a “mini pill” because it contains only one hormone, progestin, in contrast to “combination” pills, which contain both progestin and estrogen. A company that makes a combination pill, Cadence Health, has also been in discussions with the F.D.A. about applying for over-the-counter status.

The F.D.A. analysts who evaluated the data Perrigo submitted in its application for a nonprescription Opill had raised concerns about whether women with medical conditions that should preclude them from taking birth control pills — primarily breast cancer and undiagnosed vaginal bleeding — would follow the warnings and avoid the product. The F.D.A. analysts also raised questions about whether younger adolescents and people with limited literacy could follow the directions.

But in a memo explaining the approval decision on Thursday, Karen Murry, deputy director of the F.D.A.’s office of nonprescription drugs, wrote, “For an individual consumer of the product, the risk is very low, and almost nonexistent if they read and follow the labeling.”

“Overall,” she continued, “the total public health impact of the potential harm related to incorrect use by people with progestin-sensitive cancer is likely outweighed by the probable larger public health impact of prevention of a large number of unintended pregnancies with all their attendant harms.”

Several advisory committee members said patients with breast cancer, the main medical condition that precludes taking hormonal contraception, typically have doctors who would advise them to avoid birth control pills. They also said that Opill might actually be safest for adolescents because they are very unlikely to have breast cancer. And because young people often start off with contraception they can buy over-the-counter, it is especially important for them to have easy access to a method more effective than condoms and other birth control products available in retail stores, the panelists said.

Perrigo reported that participants in a study took Opill on 92.5 percent of the days they were supposed to take it. Most participants who missed a pill reported that they had followed the label’s directions to take mitigating steps, such as abstaining from sex or using a condom, Dr. Stephanie Sober, the company’s U.S. medical liaison, said at the advisory committee hearing. She said that among 955 participants, only six became pregnant while using Opill.

Most people who said they had missed doses attributed that to running out of pills before they could get to one of the study’s resupply sites, results that, Dr. Sober said, “illustrate precisely the barriers to adherence that could be lessened” by making the pill available over the counter.



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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    8 months ago

This should freakout a number of States.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    8 months ago

that could prove to be a bit more difficult for the thumper scum in america to end run with legislation ...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.2  JBB  replied to  Hallux @1    8 months ago

That neither parental nor spousal notification or approval are required will cause meltdowns...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.2.1  cjcold  replied to  JBB @1.2    8 months ago

A little over 50 years too late (had an interesting youth).  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
2  Hal A. Lujah    8 months ago

God is fucking pissed.

 
 
 
Hallux
Masters Principal
2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    8 months ago

He was pissed on day 6.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
2.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Hallux @2.1    8 months ago

And he's been throwing a tantrum ever since. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2    7 months ago

No she's not

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3  charger 383    8 months ago

This is a good thing

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4  Tacos!    8 months ago

It’s about time. There are already a lot of otc drugs you can buy that are potentially dangerous (sleeping pills, for example). This is not worse. Only our national prudishness has kept this from happening sooner.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5  JBB    8 months ago

Stop abortions by stopping unwanted pregnancy!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @5    8 months ago

This is not directed to Jbb.The rest of these comments were removed for trolling and sealioning. Stop it. Only warning.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.2.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    8 months ago

Thank you. I hope you assigned points...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6  sandy-2021492    8 months ago

It's about time.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6    8 months ago

something new to blame future climate change calamities on by the fake xtians...

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
6.2  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6    8 months ago

I was thinking the same thing

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
7  Veronica    8 months ago

Have to wonder if it will affordable and IF Pharmacies or workers can say no to selling it.

Before I get the inevitable "go to a different store" - I grew up in a town with 1 pharmacy - no choice on where we bought medications (other than aspirin).

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1  devangelical  replied to  Veronica @7    8 months ago

no worries, big pharma is part owner of the GOP...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.1    8 months ago
no worries, big pharma is part owner of the GOP...

And I bet you have the usual proof---none, right?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.1    8 months ago

the only thing I have proof of here is demonstrated by each of your comments...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.1.2    8 months ago

So once again, a totally dumbfuck claim is made without proof.

Must be another day ending in a "y".

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @7.1.2    8 months ago

the endless whining and pissing and moaning and deflecting and claims with no proof is so fucking tiresome

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    8 months ago

you can stop now, I'd say the evidence is overwhelming at this point...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.5    8 months ago
the endless whining and pissing and moaning and deflecting and claims with no proof is so fucking tiresome

I know!

What can we do to get him to prove his claims?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.1.6    8 months ago
you can stop now, I'd say the evidence is overwhelming at this point...

That makes as little sense as your original post did.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  devangelical @7.1    8 months ago

So let's put this thing to bed. Here is the breakout by party, that receives money from big pharma:

384

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.9    8 months ago

that's the reported money ...

oh crap, now I need to check my ticket list... /s

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.9    8 months ago

Well, I guess if Big Pharma owns the GOP, then they own the Democratic Party, too!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.1.12  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.9    8 months ago

Yes, like big banking and big finance, big pharma covers all its bets regarding its politocal donations, but the gop has been way more consistent in voting to protect big pharma's big profits...

The Democrats support laws allowing Medicare and Medicaid being allowed to negotiate drug prices the gop opposes!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.11    8 months ago

And the fact that they are allowed to do this, means our representatives don't represent out best interests.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @7.1.12    8 months ago
The Democrats support laws allowing Medicare and Medicaid being allowed to negotiate drug prices the gop opposes!

This is true.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.13    8 months ago
And the fact that they are allowed to do this, means our representatives don't represent out best interests.

Hmm. Not too sure about that, but I am all for paying a reasonable amount towards legitimate candidates to run without any donations.

But saying some group owns another just because of donations is untrue and crazy.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.15    8 months ago

federalists/SCOTUS

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.1.16    8 months ago
federalists/SCOTUS

Please use complete sentences when communicating with me.

What are you attempting and failing to convey?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.15    8 months ago
It may have some small effect, but BC is widely and easily available now, so I don't think this one thing will have that much of an impact.

The whole point of political donations is to persuade. Otherwise, why bother?

But saying some group owns another just because of donations is untrue and crazy.

Do you know how to make a comment without making it personal?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.18    8 months ago
The whole point of political donations is to persuade. Otherwise, why bother?

Yes, but that doesn't convey ownership.

Do you know how to make a comment without making it personal? 

I do, I hope you read the comment my comment was replying TO:

no worries, big pharma is part owner of the GOP...

That sounds rather personal to me, but hey, it's your show.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.19    8 months ago
Yes, but that doesn't convey ownership.

As in influence, not actual ownership. And you know what I meant.

no worries, big pharma is part owner of the GOP...

I never said that. Someone else did. Please respond to me using my words.

And that comment, even though not made by me is not personal, unless you are part of big pharma. Are you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.20    8 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.22  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.17    8 months ago
Please use complete sentences when communicating with me. What are you attempting and failing to convey?

no.

a popular concept possibly beyond your grasp. apologies.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.1.22    8 months ago

you should apologize for your post.

I accept it 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.24  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.23    8 months ago

whatever is easier than replying to the inference I made that apparently can't be understood...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.1.31  devangelical  replied to    8 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.13    8 months ago
And the fact that they are allowed to do this, means our representatives don't represent out best interests.

Not necessarily.

Do you feel the same way about Democrats who benefit heavily from donations made by teacher unions?

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.1.34  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @7.1.22    8 months ago

All it takes, on occasion, is a single word to make a point.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.1.35  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.33    8 months ago

Only far-right wing fascists have a problem with teacher's unions.

Teaching is the most underpaid underappreciated job on the planet.

When I taught martial arts, I charged top dollar just to weed out those who weren't committed. Too bad public schools can't do the same.

The world also needs ignorant, uneducated ditch diggers.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @7.1.31    7 months ago

who's the ghost?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
7.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Veronica @7    8 months ago

Have to wonder if it will affordable and IF Pharmacies or workers can say no to selling it.

It should be free to anyone who wants it.  Amazon has figured out how to get people same day deliveries, you’d think pro-lifers would do whatever it takes to stop unwanted pregnancies.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
7.2.1  Veronica  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2    8 months ago
It should be free to anyone who wants it.

I agree.  This country should be leading the charge in matters like this instead of lagging behind all other developed countries.

you’d think pro-lifers would do whatever it takes to stop unwanted pregnancies.

They really do not care about unwanted pregnancies - they really just care that women are making decisions on their own to have sex.  Only their father or husband should make those decisions & forget BC - that should be hubby's decision as well.  ~SARC~

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2    8 months ago
It should be free to anyone who wants it.

So the company should be forced to give their product away?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
7.2.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.2    8 months ago

No but they should be compensated by the government which will benefit immensely from it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.3    8 months ago
No but they should be compensated by the government which will benefit immensely from it.

Why would it be the government's job to pay for contraceptives for people?

Do you feel people hold any personal responsibility for their actions and choices?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
7.2.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.4    8 months ago

Do you have any sense of pragmatism whatsoever?  Unwanted pregnancies brought to term incur a multitude of economic and social problems.  Grow the fuck up and accept that some big problems have actual solutions that are cheap, effective, and contrary to your pathetic worldview.  Your nonstop contrarian existence here is exhausting and boring as hell.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.5    8 months ago

fuck that shit.

I see no point in paying everything for everyone because people can't be responsible for themselves.

I want them to use birth control. Far easier and safer than abortions.

I just don't think we should pay for them.

Kind of like how i don't want to pay for peoples alcohol or drugs.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7.2.7  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.6    8 months ago
I see no point in paying everything for everyone because people can't be responsible for themselves.

hmmm... I see no point in paying for red state welfare either, but since pregnancy rates are going up in anti-abortion states we'll all end up paying something anyway. It's a case of paying a little upfront (some bc meds) or paying a lot more later (welfare child care). 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.8  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.6    8 months ago

Abortion would cost less to taxpayer than what taxpayers buy for that child to reach age of 18

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @7.2.7    8 months ago

you aren't.

I WANT people to use bc and I think a woman should have all the abortions she wants and can afford.

I just object to paying for what people should pay for themselves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.8    8 months ago

again that is not my point.

I don't feel people should have to pay for others choices.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.11  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.9    8 months ago

I just object to paying costs of raising children that parents should pay for themselves

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.11    8 months ago

I do too.

THAT is my whole point! why do we have to pick up the slack for what others have willingly chosen to do.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.13  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.10    8 months ago
I don't feel people should have to pay for others choices.

Then, What about the costs of other's kids? 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.14  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.12    8 months ago

you can pay a little for prevention or a lot for lack of prevention

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.13    8 months ago

personally I would love it if we made deadbeat dads get vasectomies and deadbeats moms have their tubes tied but know that won't ever happen.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.14    8 months ago

see that's the thing.

I don't feel we should be paying either.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.17  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.10    8 months ago
I don't feel people should have to pay for others choices.

I feel the same way about the previous resident of the white house, but we all share the burden.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.2.17    8 months ago

I am sorry about Bill and Barack.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.19  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.16    8 months ago

The cost is going to be there no matter what we want, just like a lot of other things

I am for the cost effective solution 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.20  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.19    8 months ago

I would prefer to change the system so we can stop paying so much.

we could stop giving tax credits etc that do not discourage folks who can't really afford kids to have them.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.2.21  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.20    8 months ago

solve the problems we can first

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.21    8 months ago

the problem isn't getting solved.

these are the same pro and cons arguments used for decades now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7.2.19    8 months ago

cost effective.

hmmm...maybe we should just distribute all drugs confiscated to drug addicts and hope they o.d. .

that will keep costs way down.

lol.

I am just kidding with you!

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7.2.24  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.9    8 months ago
I just object to paying for what people should pay for themselves.

In principle, so do I. I also know you can't fix stupid and those who are trying to make correct decisions don't control every facet of the world around them and shit happens. Ignoring those issues don't make them go away nor make them cost less when then they happen.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.25  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @7.2.24    8 months ago

I am definitely not ignoring it!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
7.2.26  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.16    8 months ago
I don't feel we should be paying either.

I suppose children starving in the streets is another option but, hey, let's cut taxes!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.27  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @7.2.26    8 months ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
7.2.28  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  SteevieGee @7.2.26    8 months ago

Not before widening the lavatory doors on commercial aircraft, first things first.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.29  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.28    8 months ago

lmao!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.30  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.28    8 months ago

Not sure paying would be a problem.

Instead of supporting immigrants we could support Americans!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.31  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.25    8 months ago

you can pay your share of pills for a predictable number of people, or your share of raising an unpredictable number of children that weren't supposed to be born and all the additional variable costs, in addition to all the associated costs with raising those children that have made it into the system for other reasons, whatever you think would be less expensive...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.32  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2    8 months ago

They don't want women having sex and enjoying it because they're not getting any.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.33  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.5    8 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.34  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.32    8 months ago

... but nobody better not take away their boner pills!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.2.31    8 months ago

or freaking adults can pay for their own shit.

i don't see anyone paying my bills for me 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
7.2.36  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.15    8 months ago

personally I would love it if we made deadbeat dads get vasectomies and deadbeats moms have their tubes tied but know that won't ever happen.

So typical of the right, where the cruelty is the point.  You’d rather pay for the people you find despicable to have surgical procedures forced on them against their will than pay pennies for them to have access to birth control.  In fact, as expressed above, you’d love it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.37  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.36    8 months ago

I sure would love it if idiots who already gave kids they can't support are prevented from having more.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
7.2.38  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.37    8 months ago

And you’d cut off your nose to spite your face in order to punish them for not meeting your standards.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.39  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.38    8 months ago

sorry but I just don't think it is smart to have kids you can't support.

old fashioned nonsense, I suppose in this world where people feel entitled to the fruits of others labor.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.40  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @7.2.26    8 months ago

yeah sure that's what you read in my post!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.41  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.36    8 months ago

Again, Hal, 

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.2.42  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @7.2.36    8 months ago

They want birth control they pay for it. Easy as 1,2,3.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.43  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.42    8 months ago

oh no we have to cater to the entitled masses.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.44  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.42    8 months ago

Yet you will pay to forcibly castrate men?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
7.2.45  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @7.2.44    8 months ago

Just where in the hell did I say that? Where is that Stretch Armstrong meme when you need it?

And besides that, you don't seem to know what a vasectomy is compared to castration. Suggest you look it up and edit your comment before you get discovered. You're welcome

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.46  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @7.2.44    8 months ago

have you heard of a vasectomy?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.47  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.46    8 months ago

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cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.2.49  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.30    8 months ago

And how many Americans were once immigrants?

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." 

My great grandparents were processed through Ellis Island.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
7.2.50  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.37    8 months ago
I sure would love it if idiots who already gave kids they can't support are prevented from having more.  [sic]

How about idiots who already have kids they can't support who become pregnant?  Should they be prevented from having more?

Should they be required to have more?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.51  devangelical  replied to  SteevieGee @7.2.50    8 months ago

thumpers are pissed about the declining birth rates among young white women...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.2.52  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @7.2.31    7 months ago

Let's not forget the prison system. How many unwanted children (that could have been prevented by free or low cost birth control) end up in the prison system?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
7.3  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @7    8 months ago
Have to wonder if it will affordable and IF Pharmacies or workers can say no to selling it.

To avoid having to deal with the self-appointed Christian moral police and community busybodies, birth control pills really should be made available online by pharmacies that offer online ordering so women have easy access and possibly competitive pricing.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
8  Greg Jones    8 months ago

It's doubtful this will reduce the number of abortions.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @8    8 months ago

It is doubtful that even you believe that...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @8    8 months ago
It's doubtful this will reduce the number of abortions.

It may have some small effect, but BC is widely and easily available now, so I don't think this one thing will have that much of an impact.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
8.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2    8 months ago

Actually, abortion rates have gone down since the 1970's:

512

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    8 months ago

A fact I have never denied.

Why would I?

I think a woman should have all the abortions she wants and can afford.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.2.3  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.1    8 months ago

Three things have been proven to stop unwanted pregnancies which drive the demand for termination services...

Easy access to all forms of birth control.

Universal sex education prior to puberty.

Easy access to family planning services.

The true abortion rate in countries where abortion has been illegal or unavailable, like Mexico, is about twice that of the US because the demand is predicated on the incidence of unwanted pregnancies. In patriarchal places where birth control is illegal or difficult to obtain and where women already have more children than they can properly care for or provide for the demand for terminations is much greater.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
8.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.2    8 months ago

You said:

It may have some small effect, but BC is widely and easily available now, so I don't think this one thing will have that much of an impact.

So I am showing you the impact of having BC on abortion, and that was when you needed to go to your doc. I am sure that this will make it that much easier for young people not to get themselves into trouble.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.4    8 months ago
I am sure that this will make it that much easier for young people not to get themselves into trouble.

Maybe.

We don't know what the cost will be and if someone under 18 will even be allowed to purchase it or not.

Also, we all know how young people can be irresponsible at times and it is a distinct possibility that the new pill wouldn't be taken as directed because people forget.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
8.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @8.2.3    8 months ago
Easy access to all forms of birth control.

Universal sex education prior to puberty.

Easy access to family planning services.

Women in the US have had that for decades.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
8.2.7  charger 383  replied to  Greg Jones @8.2.6    8 months ago

Not really

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @8.2.6    7 months ago

Apparently you don't live in rural America

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
9  Veronica    8 months ago

Gotta love it.... so many that are against abortion & claim there are tons of BC around t o prevent pregnancies, but when it becomes easier for women to obtain it via OTC now it is all - "it isn't needed - there are plenty of others out there - they don't need this".... makes me think their whole objection to all of it has to do with controlling women & their sex lives.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @9    8 months ago
so many that are against abortion & claim there are tons of BC around t o prevent pregnancies, but when it becomes easier for women to obtain it via OTC now it is all - "it isn't needed - there are plenty of others out there - they don't need this".... makes me think their whole objection to all of it has to do with controlling women & their sex lives.

Not a soul posting on this article has said anything even remotely close to what you claim.

Gotta love it........indeed.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.2  JBB  replied to  Veronica @9    8 months ago

Exactly. The exact same political forces most opposed to legal terminations are also those aligned against easier access to birth control, sex education and family planning services!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
9.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @9.2    8 months ago

Not true.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.2.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @9.2    8 months ago

I hear thumping...

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
9.3  evilone  replied to  Veronica @9    8 months ago

Several of the GoP have been vocal about getting this approved, but Dems have been hitting back saying it's a smokescreen because insurers who now cover no cost contraceptives usually don't cover over the counter medications. Access may ultimately come down to pricing.

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
9.3.1  Veronica  replied to  evilone @9.3    8 months ago
Access may ultimately come down to pricing.

As most things...I am lucky when it comes to OTCs (not that I need BC anymore), I have an HSA with my employer backed insurance.  They match my contributions dollar for dollar.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
9.3.2  evilone  replied to  Veronica @9.3.1    8 months ago
I have an HSA with my employer backed insurance. 

I remember arguing with someone on the old NV about HSAs... It took a minute to figure out they were really against High Deducible Health Plans that HSAs are attached to and I had to shake my head trying to explain the difference. I think the Feds should make it legal for EVERYONE to contribute up to $2k annually, tax free, to an HSA and detach them from insurance plans altogether. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Professor Guide
9.3.3  Veronica  replied to  evilone @9.3.2    8 months ago

That would be a good option for a lot of people.  I am just lucky my employer offers it along with a very good insurance package.  They also contribute to a retirement plan.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.3.4  JBB  replied to  evilone @9.3.2    8 months ago

I remember one of those most opposed to the ACA on NV dying without needed healthcare because he never applied for the ACA, although he was eligible in his state. He was a likeable guy but was so hard against "Obamacare",  yet claimed he went without because of the costs...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.3.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @9.3.4    8 months ago
ose most opposed to the ACA on NV dying without needed healthcare because he never applied for the ACA

That would be illegal. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.4  devangelical  replied to  Veronica @9    8 months ago

it's all about forcing the acceptance of a biblical gender role as a less than equal person, in a country where that is forbidden by law.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.4.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @9.4    7 months ago

... not while I'm still breathing.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
Freshman Quiet
10  independent Liberal    8 months ago

Over all i think this is a good idea however I am concerned about men taking this pill. Do we know what the side effects may be?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1  devangelical  replied to  independent Liberal @10    7 months ago

hopefully terminal, for any male that fucking stupid... /s

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @10.1    7 months ago

the FDA may need to consider a for women only label in southern states...

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
10.1.2  George  replied to  devangelical @10.1.1    7 months ago

And detailed instruction in a few northern states not to insert them up their asses.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.3  devangelical  replied to  George @10.1.2    7 months ago

who up north would use the goober pill dispenser you just described?

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
10.1.4  George  replied to  devangelical @10.1.3    7 months ago

Anybody stupid enough to vote for Biden in 2024.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  independent Liberal @10    7 months ago

that was funny

 
 

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