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Migrant Crime and wokeism

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  9 months ago  •  209 comments

Migrant Crime and wokeism
"A new category of crime is developing in New York City, and America itself, and it is bigger and more violent than anything seen in decades," Trump wrote in a post to Truth Social. "It's called BIDEN MIGRANT CRIME, and it will be really dangerous and BAD. Good luck, everyone, you'll need it!"

We all recall the disgusting sight of NYPD officers viciously attacked in Times Square recently. They had no nightsticks and never went for their guns. That must be the woke NY administration's protocol. They were attacked by at least two of the migrants. Those who were initially taken into custody were immediately released by the woke office of Alvin Bragg. When there was national outrage, Bragg said he wanted to be sure he had the right people. Now we know that many of the attackers were members of the notorious Venezuelan street gang “Tren de Aragua." Allow me to do what woke authorities hate to do: identify them: Wilson Juarez, 21, and Kelvin Servita-Arocha, 19. Both are now being held without bail due to public pressure.

More than 5,000 NYPD cops were attacked in a record-breaking year as lawlessness spirals out of control and perps are being released with little punishment.

More than 5,000 NYPD cops were attacked by suspects in record-breaking year as lawlessness spirals out of control and perps being released with little punishment | Daily Mail Online

We also have an interesting case coming from Arizona. Maricopa County prosecutor Rachel Mitchell said she will not extradite a New York murder suspect to the state on Wednesday, claiming Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg (D) could not be trusted to keep the man behind bars.

The latest from US Customs & Border Protection:

Arrests of Individuals with Criminal Convictions

The term “criminal noncitizens” refers to individuals who have been convicted of one or more crimes, whether in the United States or abroad, prior to interdiction by the U.S. Border Patrol; it does not include convictions for conduct that is not deemed criminal by the United States. Arrests of criminal noncitizens are a subset of total apprehensions by U.S. Border Patrol.

Arrest Type FY17 FY18 FY19 FY20 FY21 FY22 FY23 FY24YTD
U.S. Border Patrol Criminal Noncitizen Arrests 8,531 6,698 4,269 2,438 10,763 12,028 15,267 5,616

Fiscal Year 2024 runs October 1, 2023- September 30, 2024.
Criminal Noncitizen Statistics | U.S. Customs and Border Protection (cbp.gov)
One can see the direction the new category of crime is going.




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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Good morning

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DD breakfast Empanadas

In other news:

A top Google executive responsible for the  “absurdly woke” AI chatbot Gemini  has come under fire after allegedly declaring in tweets that “white privilege is f—king real” and America is rife with “egregious racism.”

'White privilege is f--king real': Google Gemini product lead's old tweets allegedly resurface amid 'woke' AI image fiasco (nypost.com)


The Supreme Court allowed a $2.4 billion plan to allow sex abuse lawsuits against the B oy Scouts of America to go forward. It was once so important to hire people with different sexual orientation to be Scout leaders. Now it's time to pay the piper.

Russian officials say that the opposition leader Aleksei Navalny died of natural causes. They will secretly bury him.

Odysseus has landed: A spacecraft made by a Houston-based company has safely touched down on the moon.

A Texas judge ruled that a school dress code used uniformly on students of all races did not violate state law. Long hair is long hair. Period.




Just to set the topic properly:  Do not get personal & do not get creative about calling members thugs.

Otherwise, any topic is open to discussion, including "gun control," which is political.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago
A Texas judge ruled that a school dress code used uniformly on students of all races did not violate state law. Long hair is long hair. Period.

meanwhile, the buzz cut party is still fighting battles from the 60's...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    9 months ago

Dress code:

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vs No Dress code:

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School should also be about hygiene and proper attire.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    9 months ago

here's some more school uniforms that maga should consider...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    9 months ago

So, you think people looking presentable is like Hitler's Germany?

Interesting.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    9 months ago

who gets to decide what is presentable and who gave them that power?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    9 months ago

Society.
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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    9 months ago

. . . and it will be really dangerous and bad!

. . . sounds like a mentally retarded (no offense to the truly mentally challenged) toddler

Navalny died of natural causes , , , you believe that?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.1.7  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    9 months ago

When one goes full on stupid, they post bullshit like this........

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.1.7    9 months ago
When one goes full on stupid, they post bullshit like this........

no doubt.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
1.1.9  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    9 months ago

In case you missed it, Hitler’s Germany used dress code registration as part of the Holocaust and forced some 6 million Jews to wear Stars of David to make rounding them up to murder them easier.

You shouldn’t mischaracterize what is clearly implicit … it’s unethical. Dress codes for Hitler Youth were quite different from school dress codes intended primarily to avoid “fashion competitions” as distractions from learning.

Shameful ignorance!

original

And lack of a dress code does not automatically adversely affect personal hygiene.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
1.1.10  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    9 months ago

Oh! Look! The NON-DRESS CODE class is a mixed race class, thus, subliminally, all about poor hygiene … unlike the two immaculate, uniformly dressed, white children in the photo above, standing-in-a-well-decorated surrounding, looking cleanly and arian.

Some inherently ugly stereotypes come through loud and clear.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @1.1.9    9 months ago

That wasn't a dress code.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  A. Macarthur @1.1.10    9 months ago

Speaking of ugly, there is nothing uglier than the come as you are mentality.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

It appears that immigrants are much more law abiding than American citizens.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    9 months ago

We heard that Bull Shit before. BTW those figures are from TRUMP'S term.

We have almost 10 million people that the left let in, and we have an unknown number of got aways. Violent gangs, terrorists and sex traffickers are now in the country. 

Trump called it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    9 months ago

they don't want to talk about how over 60% of the fentanyl coming across the border is by american citizens...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    9 months ago
BTW those figures are from TRUMP'S term.

So you trust them...

We have almost 10 million people that the left let in, and we have an unknown number of got aways. Violent gangs, terrorists and sex traffickers are now in the country.

Are you trying to imply that we never had violent gangs, terrorists or sex traffickers prior to 2020???  Really????  And none of them are American citizens????

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    9 months ago

they don't want to talk about how over 60% of the fentanyl coming across the border is by american citizens...

Or that almost 90% of what is imported comes through official ports of entry.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.3    9 months ago
So you trust them...

There is very little I trust anymore.


Are you trying to imply that we never had violent gangs, terrorists or sex traffickers prior to 2020???  Really????  And none of them are American citizens????

You can't distinguish between those who sneak in vs those who are simply let in?

This was a policy. One that the American left wanted, and they don't care about the American people.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @1.2.2    9 months ago

LINK?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.5    9 months ago
You can't distinguish between those who sneak in vs those who are simply let in?

So now you are claiming that all the violent gangs, terrorists or sex traffickers are Hispanic???

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.7    9 months ago

why ask something he didn't even come close to saying?

if that is the new way to debate, it sucks!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    9 months ago

Where does it break down from legal to illegal immigrants.

I'm sure that if you found something that specified ONLY illegals, your numbers would be drastically different.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.10  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @1.2.9    9 months ago
Where does it break down from legal to illegal immigrants.

I provided graphs, big pictures, that broke it down for you.  Very few words, small words, easy to read.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1.2.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.6    9 months ago

That's what I thought

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.12  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.10    9 months ago

OK I missed them. [deleted]

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
1.2.13  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.7    9 months ago

So are you claiming that only Hispanics have been crossing the border?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.2.14  charger 383  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.10    9 months ago

1.2.10 stays because member addressed responded at 1.2.12  please check for responses by member addressed before flagging

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.14    9 months ago

Sorry, Charger, I was told that referring to someone's comprehension was an automatic C of C no matter what.

Maybe I was told wrong

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.2.16  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.15    9 months ago

I was never told that

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.16    9 months ago
Awww..................once again, simple English eludes your comprehension.

For the record, comments about someone else's comprehension will always draw a ticket.]

C of C violation (Split Personality)
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.16    9 months ago

Maybe we need the RA to clarify once and for all so there can be no "misunderstanding"

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.18    9 months ago

Or maybe not.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.2.20  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.7    9 months ago

Only you think all illegal immigrants are Hispanic.

Racist much?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.2.21  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.17    9 months ago
For the record, comments about someone else's comprehension will always draw a ticket.]  (Split Personality)

This was stated in the META group.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
1.2.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.18    9 months ago

Comments meant to demean always get a taunt at a minimum. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  JBB    9 months ago

Except hate crimes, crime is down in New York...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2    9 months ago

Migrant crime is skyrocketing. That was the point of the article.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
2.1.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    9 months ago

‘Migrant Crime Wave’ Not Supported by Data, Despite High-Profile Cases

Several well-publicized acts of violence by migrants in New York have unsettled some city leaders, but police statistics do not point toward a surge in crime.

After the assault late last month on two police officers in Times Square, the department released a short clip of the attack, which led to the indictment of about half a dozen men. The story quickly become a staple on Fox News.

Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan district attorney,   later released longer footage of the assault,   which showed that the officers had initiated the encounter, aggressively ordering the men to keep walking before pulling one of them to the side after he appeared to yell an insult at the police. The fracas began after the man resisted.

In 2023, researchers at Stanford University found that immigrants  were imprisoned at lower rates than people born in the United States . In 2020, a Princeton University study noted that  undocumented immigrants in Texas tended to have fewer felony arrests than legal resident

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2    9 months ago

2 month old article. December of '23

More recently............

NYC subway crime shot up nearly 20% this year, driven by jumps in assaults, robberies, more

Subway crime skyrocketed in the first two months of 2024, rising by nearly 20% compared to this time last year — and driven by big increases in grand larcenies, felony assaults and robberies, according to newly-released NYPD statistics.

Mayor Eric Adams said the NYPD would quickly move to 12-hour tours to try to halt the burgeoning crime wave, which he blamed on the city’s rollback of its so-called subway safety plan that flooded the underground with cops in 2022.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
2.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  JBB @2    9 months ago

Crime in America is down, rudely interfering with GOP narrative that it's out of control

Some inconvenient facts have come along that threaten to undermine the hard work we've put in convincing our beloved Republican voters their country is a wasteland ravaged by violent leftists.

New FBI data   comparing crime from January through September   of this year with the same period last year shows a number of disturbing (for us) trends:

  • Violent crime is down 8%.
  • In cities of more than 1 million people, violent crime is down nearly 15%. (Ugh!)
  • Murder is down 15.6% nationally and down 25% in cities of more than 1 million people.
  • Robbery is down nearly 10%, and burglary is down nearly 12%.
  • Motor vehicle theft, in one instance of good news, is up 10%.
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3  devangelical    9 months ago
The Supreme Court allowed a $2.4 billion plan to allow sex abuse lawsuits against the B oy Scouts of America to go forward

bummer. back to sunday school for rwnj's to find new victims... hey, wait a minute, how about starting the trump youth corp?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3    9 months ago

The lesson is clear. Don't put sexual perverts in charge of children.

Another case of the consequences of DEI

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago

yeah, I've noticed all those mackerel snapper priests that have been punished for sex crimes were minorities... /s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    9 months ago
were minorities

Minorities?  Is that what you call sexual predators?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    9 months ago

no, catholic priests are what most people think of first when talking about sexual predators...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    9 months ago

Wrong again: It is those Boy Scout leaders who were of the same persuasion as the priests.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    9 months ago

my scout troop was in a methodist church, so I wouldn't know who would top a catholic troops chain of order... methodist preachers were usually way too busy banging out the congregant wives to prey on male children.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    9 months ago

So, your Scout leaders were all straight?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    9 months ago

I'll need to hear the rcc's definition of that word before I answer...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago
Don't put sexual perverts in charge of children.

You mean like drag queen story time?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.7    9 months ago
rcc's

What doess that mean?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    9 months ago

Another atrocity.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.7    9 months ago

You don't know what any of those words mean?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.12  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.11    9 months ago

I already have a pretty good idea what your definition is...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago
The lesson is clear. Don't put sexual perverts in charge of children.
Another case of the consequences of DEI

Another case of the consequences of RCC

Time to close them down.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.12    9 months ago

I didn't ask you that.  You are going to have to keep up.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @3.1.13    9 months ago
Time to close them down.

 Ever see the rates of sexual abuse on reservations? If that's the standard, Congress must abolish them altogether. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.15    9 months ago

Measure for measure!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago

Another case of the consequences of DEI

How so? The BSA was homophobic for 105 years during which hetero pedophiles had their way with many boys,

the offenders were primarily the fathers who volunteered to be Scout Leaders.

 A study of 50   lawsuits against  the BSA showed that from 1986 to 1991 BSA and local councils agreed to pay more than $15 million in damages sex based crimes against boy scouts over the years - Search (bing.com)
It was once so important to hire people with different sexual orientation to be Scout leaders.

Scout Leaders are not hired, they are vetted and accepted as volunteers!

The ban against refusing membership to openly gay kids was lifted in 2013

The ban on allowing openly gay men or women to be scout leaders was lifted in 2015 but the ultimate decision lies with the chartering organization of which, 72% are owned and operated by the Latter-day Saints United Methodist Church , and  Roman Catholic Church . They don't allow it. 

Now it's time to pay the piper.

They've been paying the piper since the 80's, there have had accusations of abuse since 1910, 105 years before they lifted the ban on gay people because most if not all pedophiles are not gay.

The Boy Scouts of America has long struggled with the problem of sexual abuse and how to handle abuse allegations.  J.L. Tarr , a Chief Scout Executive in the 1980s, said regarding sexual assault cases against Scout leaders across all 50 states: "That's been an issue since the Boy Scouts began." [2]  Several reports have surfaced over the years regarding incidents of sexual abuse within the BSA to include incidents of repeat offenders. [11] [12]  There have also been several high-profile court cases involving such incidents that resulted in convictions and settlements sex based crimes against boy scouts over the years - Search (bing.com)

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    9 months ago

All of ours were, it was on an Air Force Base

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.19  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    9 months ago

Reading a book to a room full of children in a public forum which includes the children's parents and

grandparents is hardly a legitimate comparison.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.17    9 months ago
hetero pedophiles had their way with many boys,

Um...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.19    9 months ago

And that is supposed to get me to change my statement?  Nice try.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.22  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.15    9 months ago
Ever see the rates of sexual abuse on reservations? If that's the standard, Congress must abolish them altogether. 

Thank you for bringing that up, I'm well aware of the sexual abuse on the rez and it was addressed in the VAWA act which Congress exempted Native American and Alaska Native women from, I guess that being Indian they were not worthy of protection from the abusers, who BTW were 80% non-Indian or to be very plain ''white''.

https://ballardbrief.byu.edu/issue-briefs/sexual-assault-on-native-american-reservations-in-the-us#:~:text=The%20perpetrators%20of%20sexual%20violence,approximately%2080%25%20of%20the%20crimes.

Finally, in 2013 they were added and also a change was made that NON INDIANS can be arrested and prosecuted by Tribal police and courts for sexual abuse crimes committed on the rez.

The RCC has abused NAs for centuries their most recent was the sexual abuse that they subjected children to for decades and of course all the other crimes committed against kids that could not fight back in the ''Indian Boarding Schools''.....

Those Jesuits are right at the top of the list when it comes to sexual abuse the $166,000,000 settlement was right up there with the worst of the vile POS.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.23  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago

Wow. I would love to see you present a graph of some kind illustrating the path you are mapping out to propagandize about "sexual perverts" drawn to DEI. Please elaborate and be clear.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @3.1.22    9 months ago

At this point, I am not sure how people don't know this. The abuse was off the charts and the lawsuits should show the world, how evil they were. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.24    9 months ago

The child rape on reservations is off the charts. 

Child sexual abuse is among the worst scourges on Indigenous communities in North America, yet little hard data exists on the extent of the problem. Some researchers estimate it could be as high as one in every two children.

Dr. Renée Ornelas, a veteran child abuse pediatric specialist working in the Navajo Nation — the largest and most populous tribe in the United States — said practically every family she sees has a history of child sexual abuse.

“They’re just little victims everywhere,” she said..

“I suspect that’s why there’s so many adults that have these histories of child sexual abuse,” said Ornelas, who runs a family advocacy center at Tséhootsooí Medical Center in Fort Defiance, Arizona, on the Navajo Nation Reservation. “It’s been a problem for a long time. And there’s a lot of offenders out there who get to re-offend and move on to other children in the family.”

Pure evil and it's covered up and made worse by ignoring it and deflection. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.25    9 months ago

Oh so we're going with they have it in their community already, so let's join in defence? 

Do you also defend the Spanish Inquisition since the Jews didn't have the common sense to be Catholics?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.27  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.26    9 months ago
we're going with they have it in their community already, so let's join in defence? 

Of course not.  I'm not a bigot so I don't solely attack one religious institution when the problem is obviously much more widespread and much, much worse elsewhere as I detailed. 

ALL institutions have a problem with this. Public School teachers sexually assault more kids per capita than the Catholic priests  ever did.  Do you call public schools and teachers evil?   Athletic programs, churches of all denominations, indian reservations,   universities, boy scouts, hollywood, tv  networks etc all have this problem. .. Pretty much all institutions that deal with kids end up having problems with sexual abuse and they cover it up to protect the institution.  It's sad and a big problem and focusing on one easy scapegoat doesn't address the actual problem where its ongoing. 

  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    9 months ago

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Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.31  Kavika   replied to    9 months ago
Not smart thinking people. Most people think tranny or liberal male.

Most RWers think tranny or liberal male, you really should learn the meaning of words.

Most thinking people would look at the sexual abuse settlements that the RCC has settled. Proof is in the settlements.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.33  Kavika   replied to    9 months ago
No, what I said was correct.

You and a kindergartner may believe that but most of the world knows better...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.35  Kavika   replied to    9 months ago
Ever see the rates of sexual abuse on reservations? And incest.

Reading and more importantly understanding the link is paramount before trying to make a sensible comment.

The highest incest rates in the world are in the Middle East, of course, all countries and races have occurrences of incest in their population but US is and north and south America are quite low. 

As far as Indians since we are a smaller population (in numbers) over the centuries within each tribe there is no intermarrying between the same clans. Each person comes from four clans, two from the father and two from the mothers and the off of the mother, her sons and daughters cannot marry anyone from her clan. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.36  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.27    9 months ago

Sean,

Yes, all do to some degree, but not to the rate that the Church did. Hence why the Church owning up to it now. 

Do you call public schools and teachers evil? 

Public schools are not evil, but anyone who does this to a child is, be that a teacher or otherwise.

It's sad and a big problem and focusing on one easy scapegoat doesn't address the actual problem where its ongoing. 

It is part of the human condition, but it was off the chart at these Indian schools. No one is making the Church into a scapegoat for all child abuse, but it sure did have a big hand in this particular aspect.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.36    9 months ago
Sean,

Yes, all do to some degree, but not to the rate that the Church did. Hence why the Church owning up to it now. 

Do you call public schools and teachers evil? 

Public schools are not evil, but anyone who does this to a child is, be that a teacher or otherwise.

Sean has a good point on this topic, the public has been indoctrinated over the years to focus all of their condemnation on the topic of child sex abuse on the Catholic church.  And that is not the correct way to look at this subject. 

Most child sexual abuse occurs in family or friends settings, not in Catholic churches or schools. When is the last time you heard someone crusade against child sexual abuse within families, or about it in public schools for that matter? There was just a story here in Chicago a few days ago about sex abuse in the CPS system being up over 10% so far this year. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.38  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.36    9 months ago
o to some degree, but not to the rate that the Church did. Hence why the Church owning up to it now

That's not true, at all.  

lic schools are not evil, but anyone who does this to a child is, be that a teacher or otherwise.

I agree. But public schools have a much higher rate of sexaully abusing kids than the Catholic Church. But that's if you go by data, and not what you want to believe. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.39  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.36    9 months ago
No one is making the Church into a scapegoat for all child abuse, but it sure did have a big hand in this particular aspect.

I am not going to defend what the Church did to Native Americans in any way, but the Catholic Church IS a scapegoat for child sexual abuse overall, and I dont know how anyone could deny that.  We have seen that on this forum over the years and certainly on Newsvine as well. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.40  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.39    9 months ago

Hi John R., the problem with the Catholic Church that makes it the focus is its branding. Once it was realized that arguably our world's leading so-called, "holy" and "universal" Church, that was fundamental to the making of the protestant churches, had a pedophile priest problem the issue became an open sore that continues to 'weep.'

Priests make these 7 promises on their ordination day

REMAIN CELIBATE

In the presence of God and his Church, are you resolved, as a sign of your interior dedication to Christ, to  remain celibate for the sake of the kingdom  and in lifelong service to God and mankind?

This promise is made at a priest’s  diaconate ordination , but applies to the rest of his life as a priest.

Public schools, public school teachers take no vow or promise to chastity o r any such thing. 

Thus, there is an 'eternal' spotlight on the 'men of the Cloth' who promise but can not or whom are found not doing what they say they would for life!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.41  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @3.1.40    9 months ago

Oh please. 

School teachers are just as much a role model for children as their priest is, if not more so. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.42  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.41    9 months ago

No they are not. At least, not in the eyes of society. Furthermore, I did not know we were giving regard to "role models" - unless you mean it in the sense that they should be admired for their 'higher' or appropriate style of (clean) living.

And for this, all we have is our personal experience to go on, in my opinion.  Holy men have imposed rules on themselves that set them apart from the 'world.' That is, I have never ever met a teacher whom I would hold to a standard that I would a 'holy' man. You? What "promises" or 'vows" do teachers take to the job? Spanning a lifetime?

That said, I am a Protestant believer. And though I have good-good-good Catholic friend. ..  indulgently I can share, that we visited together yesterday. . . I really don't know much about the Catholic Church so take what you will from my comment (and throw the rest away as fodder). :)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.43  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @3.1.42    9 months ago

When I was in grammar school, a long time ago , I was an altar boy in 6th 7th and 8th grade. That was in the days when we used to have to memorize Latin for the responses during the Mass. Anyway, I was "backstage" with the priests many many times, and I never considered any of them as important as my teachers, who at that point in time were nuns. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.44  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.43    9 months ago

Interesting. You jingled a memory of mine: Because of a legal technicality, for my third grade year (long time ago too), I was not allowed to go to public school and was enrolled in a Catholic School for that one year. They were nice enough teachers (can't remember what there mode of dress were), but it was just an 'interlude' of a year for me . . . as I hoped to get back to my friends in 'regular' public school. I accepted their kindness and education for what it was without any religiosity. (My family was definitely Protestant everyday I got home.)

Because these are personal accounts for us, I sincerely don't know if they can speak to the larger theme, nevertheless. That said, I am weighing your words and reflecting on them.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.45  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.37    9 months ago
Sean has a good point on this topic, the public has been indoctrinated over the years to focus all of their condemnation on the topic of child sex abuse on the Catholic church.

Perhaps the so-called indoctrination is not indoctrination but the facts that the RCC kept their immoral actions hidden for decades through every devious means that they could. Catch up with the real world it's still going on. New Orleans is the latest example of their attempted cover-up. The RCC is world wide and this has been going on in every country that they are in and they have attempted cover-ups in each of the countries. Their ''missionary''  missions led to horrendous actions against Indigenous peoples around the world plus the ten of thousands of non indigenous people who suffered through these horrors. 

Trying the tact of ''others did it'' doesn't fly, everyone knows that but there are things that make the RCC actions even worse than others. First and foremost they are supposedly the major moral leader, yet their actions contradict that in every way possible. They are the largest of religious organizations involved in this and probably the largest of any organization, religious or not. The lying, moving known pedophile priests to other areas, ignoring them, bishops and cardinals knowing full well the horrors they were inflicting and turning their heads and ignoring it, filing bankruptcy, hiding assets, hiding accused priests, working to get laws changed to protect priests and ultimately the RCC. 

They created this and now they are worried and complaining that they are being singled out..BS, they should have thought of that as they were raping children.

I've also hammered other religious groups for the same thing, the US government, and the Department of the Interior, and political parties. 

If you had worked with the survivors or been a survivor of these horrors you might just get a real picture of the devastation that the RCC has caused. I have worked with them for years, PTSD, alcoholism, drug abuse, becoming abusers themselves, and suicide are the results for many of them. Sadly, 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.46  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.38    9 months ago

Sean,

We are not talking about modern times, but the schools that were residential schools to the Indians, or have you lost track of that?

And to be perfectly clear, this went on in Ireland as well. You might want to read this:

From the mid-1920s until the early 1970s thousands of Irish children officially in the care of the state were subjected to a double regime of sexual abuse and wageless slavery. Ireland's notorious industrial schools and orphanages – all run by Catholic orders – were home to boys and girls who had been officially declared criminals by the courts.

Some children were even sent to these institutions simply because their parents had split up: one-parent families, usually held together by abandoned wives, were regarded with suspicion in post-independence conservative Catholic Ireland.

In the last 12 years, up to 9,000 former members of Ireland's childcare system have claimed tens of millions of euros in compensation for being either exploited, abused or both in these institutions.

The five-volume report, published by the Irish government today, seeks to address decades of clerical child abuse and state neglect. It confirms allegations from former pupils that they were used as unpaid virtual slaves, who made money for religious orders in mini factories, farms, shops and laundry services.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/20/irish-catholic-church-child-abuse1#:~:text=From%20the%20mid%2D1920s%20until,sexual%20abuse%20and%20wageless%20slavery .

The Church has come a long way since then, but to deny that this was the truth, is to be blind to the facts.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.47  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @3.1.45    9 months ago

I'm not defending the Catholic Church particularly in the case of the Native Americans

but it is just wrong to say that the Catholic Church is a unique entity when it comes to child sexual abuse

about 10% of the male population has at least some level of sexual attraction towards minors. it is basically a crime of opportunity,  that's why we see it in schools, in churches, in sports clubs ,in choirs ,in scouting and anywhere where people with this proclivity have access to children.  We also mainly see it within families, by far the most child sexual abuse takes place in family settings, close family or extended family and friends.

It's a little bit amusing to see people that don't give a damn about religion or belief in God then suddenly making issue of the so-called moral authority of the Catholic Church

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.48  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.47    9 months ago
but it is just wrong to say that the Catholic Church is a unique entity when it comes to child sexual abuse

In your opinion.

It's a little bit amusing to see people that don't give a damn about religion or belief in God then suddenly making issue of the so-called moral authority of the Catholic Church

You have no idea if I give a damn about religion or a belief in God, it's best to know that before making comments about it. I'll make an issue with the so-called moral authority of the Catholic Church and if you want to debate me over their long time (centuries) of oppression and other crimes let's have a go at it. 

Do you want to start with the ''Doctrine of Discovery'' or Papal Bull  "Inter Caetera," by Pope Alexander VI.  Or how about how the US adopted these with the Marshall Trilogy from SCOTUS into US law?

I posted an article entitled, ''Nine little girls'' you should read it and see that pedophilia in the RCC was both priests and nuns and how they conspired with lawyers, and the SD legislature and the Governor to pass a law that stopped 100 abused Indians from suing in 2011. 

Yeah, the RCC is being picked on, more BS.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.49  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @3.1.48    9 months ago

I don't wanna start with anything just telling you that the Catholic Church is not unique in the 21st century for being responsible for child sexual abuse

www.foxnews.com   /politics/at-least-269-k-12-educators-arrested-child-sex-crimes-first-9-months-year

At least 269 K-12 educators arrested on child sex crimes in first 9 months of this year

Jessica Chasmar 7-9 minutes   10/14/2022


Nearly 270 public educators were arrested on child sex-related crimes in the U.S. in the first nine months of this year, ranging from grooming to raping underage students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital found that from Jan. 1 to Sept. 30, at least 269 educators were arrested, which works out to roughly one arrest a day.

The 269 educators included four principals, two assistant principals,   226 teachers , 20 teacher's aides and 17 substitute teachers.  

At least 199 of the arrests, or 74%, involved   alleged crimes   against students.

TRUSTEE OF TRANSGENDER KIDS' CHARITY RESIGNS AFTER UNEARTHED SPEECH TO GROUP FOR ‘MINOR-ATTRACTED PERSONS'

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The analysis looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of K-12 principals, assistant principals, teachers, substitute teachers and teachers’ aides on   child sex-related crimes   in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

Only 43 of the alleged crimes, or 16%, did not involve students. It is not known whether another 10% of the alleged crimes involved students.

Men also made up the vast majority, with over 80% of the arrests.

OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY PLACES PROFESSOR ON LEAVE AFTER INTERVIEW DEFENDING ‘MINOR-ATTRACTED PERSONS’

There are an estimated 3.2 million public school teachers in the country, meaning the arrests compiled by Fox News Digital make up only 0.0084%. 

"The number of teachers arrested for child sex abuse is just the tip of the iceberg — much as it was for the Catholic Church prior to widespread exposure and investigation in the early 2000s," Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, said in a statement to Fox News Digital. "The best available academic research, published by the Department of Education, suggests that nearly 10% of public school students suffer from physical abuse between kindergarten and twelfth grade."

" According to that research, the scale of sexual abuse in the public schools is nearly 100 times greater than that of the Catholic Church," he said. "The question for critics who seek to downplay the extent of public-school sexual abuse is this: How many arrests need to happen before you consider it a problem? How many children need to be sexually abused by teachers before you consider it a crisis?"

Many of the arrests in Fox News Digital’s latest analysis involved especially heinous allegations.

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Eugene Pratt, a former principal, elementary school teacher and coach who taught at-risk youth in multiple Michigan public schools, is accused of sexually assaulting at least 15 boys and young adult men over the course of several decades.   (Genesee County Sheriff's Office)

Eugene Pratt, 57, a former principal, elementary school teacher and coach who taught at-risk youth in multiple Michigan public schools, was charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct in August. He is accused of sexually assaulting at least 15 boys and young adult men during his education career spanning several decades.

Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson, whose office is investigating Pratt,   told ClickOnDetroit   in August that sexual predators often put themselves in a supervisory position so that they have easy access to victims.

"When you see positions that he held that involve being a principal, school administrator, counselor, GED coordinator, and even after he taught, where he was arrested last week out of New Paths, as a driver, as a transport officer," Swanson said. "Individuals like Eugene Pratt put themselves in positions of authority over others in order to act on their prey and to find and identify vulnerable people."

AT LEAST 135 TEACHERS, AIDES CHARGED WITH CHILD SEX CRIMES THIS YEAR ALONE

Anthony Mattei, 59, a middle-school teacher in the Allen Independent School District in Texas, was charged in August with two counts of indecency with a child by sexual contact. The district has since put Mattei on administrative leave and launched an investigation after it was revealed he had been permitted to return to the classroom following an investigation into misconduct allegations in April,   Texas Scorecard reported

Stephen Kenion, 56, who taught self-defense classes to Baltimore City Public School students, was arrested last month after being accused of impregnating a 14-year-old former student and having sexual relationships with multiple minors back to 2009, including an 8-year-old student. He’s been charged with perverted practices, second-degree rape, numerous counts of second-degree assault and various sex offenses,   CBS News reported .

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Stephen Kenion, who taught self-defense classes to Baltimore City Public School students, was arrested last month after being accused of impregnating a 14-year-old former student and having sexual relationships with multiple minors back to 2009.   (Baltimore Police Department)

In another startling development in August, four current or former Plymouth Public School educators in Connecticut were arrested in connection with an investigation into alleged child sex abuse by a fourth-grade teacher, 51-year-old James Eschert.

A principal and three staff members at Plymouth Center School were charged with failure to report abuse, neglect or injury of a child or imminent risk of serious harm to a child after students allegedly complained about misconduct by Eschert and nothing was done.

Eschert was arrested in January on five counts of risk of injury to a child and two counts of fourth-degree sexual assault,   Law & Crime reported .

The Fox News Digital analysis comes several months after the U.S. Department of Education  released a report   in June titled "Study of State Policies to Prohibit Aiding and Abetting Sexual Misconduct in Schools," which analyzed state policies prohibiting "passing the trash," or allowing suspected sexual abusers to quietly leave their jobs to possibly offend again in a different school district.

A bipartisan provision of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA), which was originally proposed by Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, requires all states receiving federal education funding to enact laws prohibiting the practice of "passing the trash."

The Education Department’s report, however, found that laws against the practice are varied across the states, and that while all states require prospective employers to conduct criminal background checks on educators, and most states — 46 — require fingerprinting, only 19 states require employers to request information from an applicant's current and former employers. 

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Moreover, only 14 states require employers to check an applicant’s eligibility for employment or certification, and only 11 require applicants to disclose information regarding investigations or disciplinary actions related to sexual abuse or misconduct.

The Department of Education last   released a report   on the topic in 2004, which claimed that nearly 9.6% of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.50  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.49    9 months ago

I'm well aware of the crimes against children by other groups. 

Answer this question, how many children died while in their care? In Canada, it was over 6,000 and the US is just beginning the counting. Central and South America are facing the same. I'm just speaking of indigenous kids no idea what the total count would be for the RCC. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.51  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.49    9 months ago

 No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches).

Separating Facts About Clergy Abuse From Fiction | Psychology Today

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.52  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    9 months ago

Perhaps the author of that piece should review what has been happening in New Orleans over the past years. 

Also do you have a figure on how many childrens died at the hands of teachers and all the other pedophile groups?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    9 months ago

That may very well be, but it is undeniable that the Church tried (successfully) to hide it for decades and let the perps walk, covering for them and moving them to new dioceses where they had a whole new supply of victims.

No, I don't hold the church liable for the actions of pedophiles but damn sure hold them responsible for the lack of action taken or showing any compassion for the victims.

Catholics must demand better from their Church.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.54  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago
Another case of the consequences of DEI

That is untrue. Bad people are pervasive and spread out through our society - only materializing as circumstances present themselves for them to spout and flourish. And I take great offense at your incrimination of good policy (DEI) just because of partisan bias.

And it is clear why MAGAs want to be rid of political correctness (PC). . . because then they can just say nasty, vulgar, and 'stoolish' remarks without a filter!  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.1.54    9 months ago

DEI is not good policy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3    9 months ago

naw, put skirts on them and just pretend they are girls.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2    9 months ago

And then hide it and arrest the parents.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

The latest from "Morning Joe:"

Former Democrat Senator Claire McCaskill: "I move that every newspaper in America quits doing any fact-checks on Joe Biden."

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    9 months ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    9 months ago

She doesn't have much to worry about. Every time the Times mentions Trump they editorialize. Every time they mention Biden's trouble with his obvious influence peddling, they add "still no evidence."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    9 months ago
"Can I make a suggestion? I move that every newspaper in America quits doing any fact-checks on Joe Biden until they fact-check Donald Trump every morning on the front page. It is ridiculous that The New York Times fact-checked Joe Biden on something. I mean, he vomits lies, Trump vomits lies. Every day, over and over and over again," McCaskill said. 

Has she listened to Traitor Joe speak?  Even briefly?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    9 months ago
ormer Democrat Senator Claire McCaskill: "I move that every newspaper in America quits doing any fact-checks on Joe Biden."

Can't really satirize that, its as absurd as can be.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    9 months ago
For data from the first three-quarters of 2023, 261 of the injuries inflicted on cops were categorized as either substantial or seriously - a number that puts the year on track to see a 10 percent spike in the figure.

from the linked Daily Mail article

 the total number of violent events is projected to land around 5,400. 

=========================================================================

261/5400 = .048

So 95% of these 'violent events' are neither serious nor substantial. 

=============================================

I dont think that any cops should be attacked, for any reason, but clearly this situation is murky.  I'd rather see an article that sheds more light on this topic. 

If someone reflexively shoves a cop in the course of being arrested, is that counted as an attack on a police officer?  To report it as such seems a little far fetched. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    9 months ago
If someone reflexively shoves a cop in the course of being arrested, is that counted as an attack on a police officer?

ABSOLUTELY and it should be treated as a major crime. I prefer it to be as it once was: You hit a cop and you have a rocky ride to the station.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    9 months ago

Only you could try to downplay assaulting a police officer.

Yes John, LEO's are assaulted outside of Jan 6; and by non Trump supporters all the time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2    9 months ago

Decent people teach their children to respect the police. Others have "a conversation" with their "kids."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2    9 months ago
95% of these 'violent events' are neither serious nor substantial. 

What are they then?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.2    9 months ago

Assault plain and simple.

Same as it would be if you pushed any civilian; but with the added weight that you are resisting an LEO.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

BREAKING:

City Council calls for an INVESTIGATION of Mayor Adams plan to give illegals $10,000 Debit Cards. The $53 million contract would give, Mobility Capital Finance, who the NY Mayor touts as 'Minority Owned' lots of fees for services, including:

- $125,000 one-time set-up fee

 - $250,000 in annual management fees

- $1.5 million for the first $50 million handed out

- $2.5 million for the next $100 million.

No ID check required, No Fraud control and No Restrictions.

City Councilmember Gale Brewer wants to investigate pre-paid debit card program for migrant families (msn.com)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Chelsea Clinton Complains Her Grandmother Did Not Have Access to Planned Parenthood.

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Chelsea Clinton Complains Her Grandmother Did Not Have Access to Planned Parenthood - LifeNews.com

This is one time that I agree with Chelsea!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    9 months ago

This is one time that I agree with Chelsea!

Abortions accounts for ~10% of what planned parenthood does, the rest is cancer screenings and family planning. You knew that, right? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @7.1    9 months ago
bortions accounts for ~10% of what planned parenthood does

And well over 50% of it's operating revnue.You knew that, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @7.1    9 months ago
You knew that, right? 

I've heard it a million times.

They do a lot more than we know:

Planned Parenthood was just forced to admit in court to harvesting aborted fetal parts - Washington Examiner

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    9 months ago

And well over 50% of it's operating revnue.You knew that, right?

So?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    9 months ago

Fake news. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.4    9 months ago

prove it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    9 months ago

Where's the proof of that 50%?  I doubt it will be provided though.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.3    9 months ago

I doubt that's true MrF

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.1.1    9 months ago

That's an outright lie actually.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Uber leftist Rob Reiner’s Anti-Trump Film ‘God & Country’ bombed at the Box Office. Opening weekend has “God & Country: The Rise Of Christian Nationalism” posting just over $38,000 grossed national across 85 theaters, or $451 per location over four days.

New film dives into threats of Christian nationalism to democracy (axios.com)

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
8.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    9 months ago

Why would anyone pay and waste their time to go see TDS drivel; when it is on the nightly news, leftist talk shows, and even late night television for free?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Google to pause Gemini image generation after AI refuses to show images of White people.

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We knew who the programmers would be, right?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    9 months ago
e knew who the programmers would be, right?

That was hilarious to watch take place before Google shut it down. Google revealed itself to be everything it's critics said it was.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1    9 months ago

Maybe Musk can set us a non-woke system?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Rep. Jamie Raskin said that the GOP's impeachment inquiry into President Biden should be terminated.

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The Biden family simply found about $ 24 million in the gutter. End of story.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Biden on student loan cancellation: “The Supreme Court blocked it. But that didn't stop me."

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    9 months ago

The Supreme Court blocked it. But that didn't stop me."

But Trump is violating norms! 

Yet another example of Progressives engaging in the behavior they project upon Trump. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1    9 months ago

It's so confusing. Should we fear the dictator we already have or the one they claim we will have?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Every single illegal immigrant that Biden let into America is going to be sent right back to their home countries.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    9 months ago

Over 300 pounds of shit wearing a cowboy hat,

Who is impressed by that?????????????????

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
13.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @13.1    9 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @13.1.1    9 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

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Another lawsuit for Fulton County GA.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
14.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @14    9 months ago

One that will probably be dismissed as quickly as it was filed.

There are a number of  exceptions to the Georgia Open Records Act . In total, there are 20 exceptions that are not open for public inspection. These include medical records, confidential government information, and records of law enforcement.

Solomon just continues to prove his bias.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
14.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @14.1    9 months ago
Solomon just continues to prove his bias.

You didn't actually just type that. 

Thank you for the laugh- luckily I wasn't drinking or eating anything or it would have been all over my keyboard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

BREAKING NEWS:

Nathan Wade visited DA Fani Willis' Georgia neighborhood at least 35 times and stayed overnight BEFORE she hired him as special prosecutor, cellphone data shows.

Relationship between DA Fani Willis and Nathan Wade started years earlier than claimed, witness says | AP News

Lying to the court should mean disbarment (even if the judge donated to the Willis campaign)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15    9 months ago

Trump's innocence to the charges has never been established in any of the cases he is involved in as a defendant ,civil or criminal.  What we hear are excuses and attempts to get him off on technicalities .  Who Fani Willis had a personal relationship with has nothing to do with trump asking for the Secretary of State of Georgia to find him 11,800 votes so  he could steal the 2020 presidential election.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1    9 months ago
Trump's innocence to the charges has never been established in any of the cases he is involved in as a defendant ,civil or criminal. 

I think you are confused about American law, but Trump does not have to prove innocence. Prosecutors have to prove guilt. None of the partisan prosecutors nor the radical judge have proved anything.


Who Fani Willis had a personal relationship with has nothing to do with trump asking for the Secretary of State of Georgia to find him 11,800 votes so  he could steal the 2020 presidential election.

Fani Willis was a big fraud. I doubt whoever takes over that case is fond of the idea of trying to interpret what "find" means.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.1    9 months ago

I don't get confused

I brought up 'innocence' as the counterpoint to the main arguments Trump's lawyers make, which are almost without exception based on technicalities rather than the facts of the wrongdoing alleged in the various cases

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.1    9 months ago
to interpret what "find" means.

Is that like determining what the meaning of is is

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.2    9 months ago

Technicalities set people who planted bombs like Bill Ayers free.

Malfeasance by the government or prosecutors should set you free. I know the law is changing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
15.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.3    9 months ago
Is that like determining what the meaning of is is

Much easier. Find does not equal produce.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
15.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @15.1.5    9 months ago

That comment reeks of Bill Clinton.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Today, Biden said he "had the honor of meeting with" Alexei Navalny's widow, who he called "Yolanda."

Her name is Yulia.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

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Kavika
Professor Principal
17.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @17    9 months ago
Google's Woke AI Makes Viking Black.

They discovered that Vikings didn't just hail from Scandinavia – they also had genes from both Asia and Southern Europe in their bloodline,

LMAO

and the Pope a woman

Probably trying to hide the fact that the RCC and priesthood is infested with pedophiles.

....and this is an image you get 'Founding Father'

So the slave owning Founding Fathers allowed their slaves to play dress up.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
17.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @17.1    9 months ago

Amazing that anyone would try to defend what the programmer wouldn't.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
17.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @17.1.1    9 months ago
Amazing that anyone would try to defend what the programmer wouldn't.

I didn't defend anything just pointed out facts and that's probably upsetting to you, but tough it out have another cup of coffee.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
17.1.3  arkpdx  replied to  Kavika @17.1    9 months ago
They also had genes from both Asia and Southern Europe 

None of which are black. 

Probably trying to hide the fact that the RCC and priesthood is infested with pedophiles.

What does that have to do with the Pope?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Three weeks ago, Biden claimed he had "done all I can do" on the border crisis.

Now, he's "considering major new executive actions" for the border crisis.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.1  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @18    9 months ago

I saw that news story. I understand it even. He wanted Congress to act to put a permanent fix on the border problem. . . but those "do nothings" think it politically expedient to sit on their damn hands and not pass a law. Who would have thunk it. . . lawmakers who do not like making. . .wait for it. . . laws!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @18.1    9 months ago

Biden had no trouble acting on his own to remove all the Trump border policies. That is what opened the flood gates.

As far as the deal congress was working on: it was supposed to be border security for foreign aid. In other words, the Republicans get border security and the dems get the foreign aid. It didn't work out that way. You see, the dems wanted to make the border security something they would get something out of as well. They wanted to insert things in that which would give a DC court control of the border and allow at least 5,000 migrants to cross the border every day. 

No deal was better than a bad deal.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
18.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.1    9 months ago

Not true.

The former 'president' told his ass kissers not to make any deal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
18.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @18.1.2    9 months ago

It never got through the Senate.

Again: No deal was better than a bad deal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
18.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @18.1    9 months ago
I saw that news story. I understand it even. He wanted Congress to act to put a permanent fix on the border problem. . . but those "do nothings" think it politically expedient to sit on their damn hands and not pass a law. Who would have thunk it. . . lawmakers who do not like making. . .wait for it. . . laws!

Bull.

Biden is merely playing politics with the border now that the problem is so large and actually affecting blue sanctuaries he can no longer ignore it as he has for 3 years.

Everyone wants "comprehensive immigration reform" but don't seem to want to enforce laws on the books already, so that is an ignorant thing to assume some new law would magically start to be enforced.

Don't you see it is simply an election year ploy?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.1.5  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.1    9 months ago

Compromise between the factions in congress and the White House will always be the essential end-game. This attempt at playing MAGA hardball can only go so far. . . before collapsing and nothing continues to be the result of another indefinite set of years!

A deal is better than no deal (this saga can't end itself). Think of it as "baby steps." Get something done!

Moreover, MAGAs can't complain about the border being "insecure" when MAGAs in congress won't work with the Senate (Democrats) to pass legislation. Worse, MAGAs are listening to their "anti-president" Trump. And that, of itself, is shameful. As we have only one sitting president at a time. It ain't Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
18.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  CB @18.1.5    9 months ago

People whined and cried before laws were passed. Now they are whining and crying for yet more laws which may or may not be enforced.

Let Democrats pass a stand-alone bill on border security FIRST, then we can talk about reforms.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
18.1.7  arkpdx  replied to  CB @18.1.5    9 months ago
Compromise between the factions in congress and the White House will always be the essential end-game. 

The problem is that the lefts idea of compromise is the right giving up all they believe in and agree to the liberal terms. That is my one big problem with the GOP, they tend to cave to easily. It is time the held fi to their ground. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.1.8  CB  replied to  arkpdx @18.1.7    9 months ago

It's a two-way street, and both parties are guilty of having fallen into the trap set by talking and acting out in passing each other up and oh the loudness of the rhetoric that is pervasive! Pragmatists, Independents, and Moderates have been pleading with the two political polar opposites ("the Extremists") to drop their rocks, laid down their political weapons, end the  adversarial bickering (the two parties used to behave as One), and remember that we are one nation of diverse people housed under one roof—under the controls of One overall governmental system.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
18.1.9  GregTx  replied to  CB @18.1.8    9 months ago

Careful CB, that post reads like a both-sideism...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.1.10  CB  replied to  GregTx @18.1.9    9 months ago

The comment is neutral. It should be, because all things being equal, I love my country and want the best for it and all of its people. (Yes, that means conservatives too.) To be clear, I don't play at bothsideism or have respect for the 'game.'

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
18.1.11  GregTx  replied to  CB @18.1.10    9 months ago
To be clear, I don't play at bothsideism or have respect for the 'game.'

I see. So it's only use is as a defense?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.1.12  CB  replied to  GregTx @18.1.11    9 months ago
I see.

As my comment explicitly speaks for itself. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
18.1.13  GregTx  replied to  CB @18.1.12    9 months ago
As my comment explicitly speaks for itself. 

Yes they do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
18.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.3    9 months ago

1.8.1.2

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
18.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @18.1.3    9 months ago

Not true.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
19  author  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Tulsi Gabbard is reportedly being considered for VP by Donald Trump.

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I think it's a winner.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
19.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    9 months ago

I so agree!!

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Silent
19.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    9 months ago
I think it's a winner.

Could be.  

It will certainly be interesting considering Gabbard's background of being attacked for not walking lockstep with the Democrats when she was one of their national Reps.

It will probably be a continuation of the smear campaign that began in 2019.

Tulsi Gabbard - Wikipedia In October 2019, false and later corrected stories [179]  claimed that former  Secretary of State  and 2016 presidential nominee  Hillary Clinton  said that Russia was "grooming" a female Democrat to run as a  third-party  candidate, who would help President  Donald Trump  win reelection via a  spoiler effect . [180] [181]  The media understood Clinton to be referring to Gabbard, which Nick Merril, a Clinton spokesperson, seemed to confirm to CNN by saying: "If the  nesting doll  fits"; however, Gabbard repeatedly said she would not run as a third-party candidate in 2020 and did not do so. [181] [182] [183]  Gabbard was defended by many fellow 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, who rejected Clinton's suggestion that Gabbard was a Russian asset. [184] [185] [186]  Trump also defended Gabbard. [187] [188]  Gabbard filed a  defamation lawsuit  against Clinton in January 2020, [189]  but dropped it five months later. [190]  To represent her in her lawsuit against Clinton, Gabbard retained two attorneys with the Los Angeles law firm Pierce Bainbridge Beck Price & Hecht and Davidoff Hutcher & Citron which, during the  Mueller   probe  into  Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections , also had represented  George Papadopoulos  and  Rudy Giuliani . [191]
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
19.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  mocowgirl @19.2    9 months ago

She's a DINO.  Fuck her!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
19.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @19.2.1    9 months ago

Who now claims to be an independent - but she's gqp through and through

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
19.3  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    9 months ago

Hillary Clinton and the leftist media will again attack her as being a Putin puppet.

Gabbard has both ethics and morals. She should stay out of DC for her own sake and the sake of her family.

Let those that like to wallow in the filth go to DC.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
19.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @19    9 months ago

Was she in the National Guard?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
19.4.1  MrFrost  replied to  Tessylo @19.4    9 months ago

Was she in the National Guard?

She is a Russian patriot, that's why the GOP likes her so much. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.4.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @19.4.1    9 months ago

That comment is utterly false and I challenge you to provide a shred of evidence for such a silly claim.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
19.4.3  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @19.4.2    9 months ago

This is where the movie you are streaming goes into buffering and will not stop. Little circle going around forever.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.4.4  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @19.4.3    9 months ago

Just some are willing to claim the most bizarre things without evidence.

Does the DNC send out stupid-ass conspiracy theories because they know their sycophants will believe it and repeat it?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
19.4.5  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @19.4.4    9 months ago

I believe they receive a weekly news letter.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
19.4.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @19.4.1    9 months ago
She is a Russian patriot 

Why do you think that?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
20  Kavika     9 months ago
A Texas judge ruled that a school dress code used uniformly on students of all races did not violate state law. Long hair is long hair. Period.

Opps not all races, Native Americans are exempt from it in the US including Texas, refer to 5th District Federal Court Of Appeals in U.S. Circuit Judge Patrick E. Higginbotham, in the majority opinion in  A.A. v. Needville Independent School District.

School districts keep trying and they keep losing. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.1  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @20    9 months ago
School districts keep trying and they keep losing. 

Looks to me like the school district in Texas just won its case--long hair is long hair and a rule against it did not discriminate against a black man.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
21  sandy-2021492    9 months ago

Thread @1.2 locked for a meta derail.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
22  MrFrost    9 months ago

A criminal is a criminal, nationality makes no difference at all. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
22.1  Gazoo  replied to  MrFrost @22    9 months ago

But citizenship does. Biden has allowed millions of illegals, some of them violent criminals, into this country that don’t deserve to be here. Unfortunately, innocent Americans will be paying the price.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
22.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Gazoo @22.1    9 months ago
But citizenship does.

No, it really doesn't. How many American's are murdered by fellow American's every single day? FAR more than illegals do. If you want to be led around by the right wing media feel free. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
22.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago

that is a very poor excuse for illegal aliens committing crimes.

I don't buy it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
22.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago
? FAR more than illegals do

That's some point. It's okay because  20 million or so illegals  don't kill as many americans as 300 million other Americans do.  

 you want to be led around by the right wing media feel free. 

cough George Floyd cough

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
22.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago
How many American's are murdered by fellow American's every single day? FAR more than illegals do.

No shit, but not surprising given that there are 340 million US citizens here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
22.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @22.1.4    9 months ago

Ain't math fun?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
22.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago
How many American's are murdered by fellow American's every single day?

How many Black American's are murdered by fellow Black American's every single day?  Where are you trying to go with this Frostman?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
22.1.7  Gazoo  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago

That is the exact response i was expecting. How about the thug that murdered the georgia college student. He is here illegally. He should not be here. If he was not in this country that georgia college student would be alive. But who cares? Americans commit more murders than illegals do so it’s ok./s/

How many American's are murdered by fellow American's every single day?”

A lot. Way too many. So,,,,let’s allow millions upon millions of people we know nothing about into the country. Sure, some of them will be violent thugs but so what? A country can never have enough violent thugs./s/ we have enough violent thugs in this country so why allow more? What callous, stupid,STUPID, dumbass response. But hey, like i said, that was the response i was expecting from the America last crowd.

if you, or a loved one, were the victim of a violent crime at the hands of an illegal, (i certainly hope not) i bet you’d change your callous tune in a heartbeat

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
22.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @22.1.5    9 months ago

Indeed, some just can’t add it up,

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
22.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @22.1.4    9 months ago

No shit, but not surprising given that there are 340 million US citizens here.

So murder only matters if the criminal is an illegal. If they are an American, go for it, no problem at all. Got it, good talk. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
22.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Gazoo @22.1.7    9 months ago
He is here illegally.

Was Dylan Roof? Adam Lanza? Dahmer? By your argument, those murders were A-ok.. But if they were illegals, well by god now that's a problem. 

A lot. Way too many.

Thanks for making my point. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
22.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.9    9 months ago
So murder only matters if the criminal is an illegal. If they are an American, go for it, no problem at all. Got it, good talk. 


I said nothing like that at all.  You’re letting your biases run away with you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
22.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.9    9 months ago
So murder only matters if the criminal is an illegal. If they are an American, go for it, no problem at all. Got it, good talk. 

a good talk would be you recognizing and admitting that absolutely no one claimed that.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
22.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.10    9 months ago
Thanks for making my point. 

What is your point?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
22.1.14  Gazoo  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.9    9 months ago

So murder only matters if the criminal is an illegal.”

who the fuck is saying that? No one.

If they are an American, go for it, no problem at all. Got it, good talk.”

again, who the fuck is saying that? Buy a vowel.

jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
22.1.15  Gazoo  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.10    9 months ago

Show me where i said any murders are ok? You won’t because you can’t.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
22.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.10    9 months ago

what point did you make besides that more US citizens, some 320 million of us, commit more murders than about 20 million people do?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
22.1.17  CB  replied to  Gazoo @22.1.7    9 months ago

Of course, if somebody from outside of the country who is here commits a violent crime against somebody in this country it would be a crime, a travesty, and a grave issue. Without a doubt. The larger point is in the words of the internet: "We have an 'app' for that, unfortunate situation: The courts." 

In my opinion, what Mr. Frost is pointing out to you is that immigration is a 'team sport" (if you want a permanent fix) involving congress and the presidency—not just the president. And more to the point: STOP PLAYING RIDICULOUS PARTISAN GAMES OF BLAMING BIDEN when you have surely read this very thing on this very site time after time. We can't fix this country with bullish stubborn narratives attempting to spit in the face of truth at every turn!

Also, if you do want to play partisan games, then expect to have then thrown back in your face as the matter will not be resolved until all those with power who can fix the problem get to their stations and press the right buttons to do just that!

Finally, I am sick and tired of the specious LIE that percolates around like a pot of boiling water that labors hard to blame all (illegal) immgrants for the shady, dumb, deadly activity of their 'brethren.' It is a lie. It is not true. It is a sham. It is propaganda.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
22.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  CB @22.1.17    9 months ago

Biden remains clueless about the border.

All he has to do is enforce laws already on the books.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
22.1.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.10    9 months ago
By your argument, those murders were A-ok.

Why the need to make stuff up?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
22.1.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @22.1.1    9 months ago
How many American's are murdered by fellow American's every single day? FAR more than illegals do.

By that logic you say it is OK when illegals do it because they do it less often.  Illegals have to catch up with the murder rate before you care about it.

Good talk.

 
 

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